Re: OK, NOW IT'S TIME FOR MY FIT

[Guest guest]

Yea, but Jeanine, could you tell us how you REALLY feel. What has been

going on is a crock. I know just what you mean.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Jeannie,

You are where I was at six months to a year ago. I was so pissed off I even

yelled at senators who wouldn't do anything. I had to stop as I became

obsessed and I still get pissed off but Im more accepting of where I am at 42.

Living in my box and keep on truckin with different doctors. I lost everything.

My

job, as I got sick their, the man I was going to marry, he couldn't handle a

sick scared to death me. Ill say a prayer for you and this IS where you can

vent. We all understand.

Janet

[Guest guest]

Well said , Carl

Janet

[Guest guest]

Carl,

That was very well put. I don't know if people on this board realize what a

mold warrior Jeanine has become. She is an ace researcher of research.

Much of what she uncovers in her efforts to gain knowledge, is shared with

those

who can effectively use the information.

I watched a power point presentation of one of our doctors a couple of

months ago. He thanked me for giving him some of the info of current research

that he had included in his presentation.

Yes, I gave it to him. But you know who found the info, took the time to

read it and knew it was of significance to be forwarded on? Jeanine!

I am so sorry that she is going through much of what all of us have gone

through. But we are very lucky to have this woman on our side. Keep it up

Jeanine! You too, Carl!

Sharon

Jeannie,

Thank you. What you did is VERY healthy and exciting! It's often

needed to break out of being a victim. Yes, you are still victimized

but that is different than being a victim. This is a step toward

taking charge of your life instead of waiting for the " experts " to

tell you what to do; or waiting for them to affirm the truth of your

experience. YOU know what happened and YOU know why. You don't need

someone else to define you life and correct YOUR experience. THEY

DON'T KNOW. YOU DO! And you don't need their approval.

We all have to learn, by trial and error, who to trust - even if that

person is only ourself. That is part of what makes this experience so

lonely. You lose not only possesions but people, especially loved

ones. It becomes exceeding difficult to patiently take care of

yourself within the unjust limits and to knowingly miss opportunities

that in the past you could accomplish without effort.

In my opinion, you are on the right road and there are MANY out here

that understand because they've been there - and are there - also. It

took me at least 5 years to reach the point that you have just

expressed and 15 years later I'm still struggling with transforming

that energy into constructive change instead of wasted attacks.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> OK, NOW IT'S TIME FOR MY B#### FIT

> I'm so pissed off, that I have been able to trace every one of my

> illnesses(dignosed, misdignosed, and not dignosed at all) to

> mold/mycotoxin exposure and doctors couldn't?? give me a break, this

> is bull s### I have been working on this and have several files saved

> that link every thing that I knew was caused by 8 years of

> mold/mycotoxin exposure to my illnesses. from the minute you INHALE it

> into your nose and the path it followed. I'm sick of reading that the

> many symptoms that we all complain of is to veritable to link mold to

> our illnesses, thats bull. it follows the easy path and effects the

> weakest organs first which will be different for all of us, and lenght

> of exposure and mold types is also the deturmineing factor of each of

> our illnesses from our exposure. that is the only differences in the

> outcome of what effects we will have. no one can tell me that my

> family doctor or the 10+ other doctors that I've seen in the last 12

> years didn't have a clue. If they didn't, it's because they didn't

> care enough to look . I'm so pissed that I suffered all these years

> from unbearable pain and it all could have been prevented. what was

> supposed to be the best years of my life was not a life at all. and

> what I'm left with is going to effect me the rest of my life and I'm

> just waiting for the C word. where will it show up first? Dr.

> Shoemaker is right that these doctors should be sued for misdignoses

> based on lack of giveing a sh## enough to really take the time to look

> at past medical records and knowtise that all these strange symptoms

> and multiple illnesses may be from one cause. it's even worse when

> your house has been tested and found to have molds that are known to

> produce mycotoxins and they still misdignose you. it's even worse when

> you go to somewhere like the (very well known)M clinic, because you

> tell them you have been exposed to mold in your home and have many

> symptoms including dierrhea with blood and they want you there

> immeditly and still misdignose you,saying " that while some of your

> illnesses can be from mold exposure THEY DONT THINK they all can be " .

> when they themselfs have already discovered that cronic sinusitis is

> caused by mold and they document that you have that and about ten

> other things. and they tell you they wont be drug to court and the

> mold illness is to controversal. I want to know just why I can

> research my own illness and link it all to mold and doctors cant. the

> only reason is because they didn't take the time and didn't care

> enough about your pain and didn't respect you enough to take your

> complaints seriously. and some just dont want to have to testify for

> you in court, so they would rather misdignose you instead. this is

> just the biggest pot of crap I have ever had the misfortune of going

> through.

[Guest guest]

Jeannie,

Thank you. What you did is VERY healthy and exciting! It's often

needed to break out of being a victim. Yes, you are still victimized

but that is different than being a victim. This is a step toward

taking charge of your life instead of waiting for the " experts " to

tell you what to do; or waiting for them to affirm the truth of your

experience. YOU know what happened and YOU know why. You don't need

someone else to define you life and correct YOUR experience. THEY

DON'T KNOW. YOU DO! And you don't need their approval.

We all have to learn, by trial and error, who to trust - even if that

person is only ourself. That is part of what makes this experience so

lonely. You lose not only possesions but people, especially loved

ones. It becomes exceeding difficult to patiently take care of

yourself within the unjust limits and to knowingly miss opportunities

that in the past you could accomplish without effort.

In my opinion, you are on the right road and there are MANY out here

that understand because they've been there - and are there - also. It

took me at least 5 years to reach the point that you have just

expressed and 15 years later I'm still struggling with transforming

that energy into constructive change instead of wasted attacks.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> OK, NOW IT'S TIME FOR MY B#### FIT

> I'm so pissed off, that I have been able to trace every one of my

> illnesses(dignosed, misdignosed, and not dignosed at all) to

> mold/mycotoxin exposure and doctors couldn't?? give me a break, this

> is bull s### I have been working on this and have several files saved

> that link every thing that I knew was caused by 8 years of

> mold/mycotoxin exposure to my illnesses. from the minute you INHALE it

> into your nose and the path it followed. I'm sick of reading that the

> many symptoms that we all complain of is to veritable to link mold to

> our illnesses, thats bull. it follows the easy path and effects the

> weakest organs first which will be different for all of us, and lenght

> of exposure and mold types is also the deturmineing factor of each of

> our illnesses from our exposure. that is the only differences in the

> outcome of what effects we will have. no one can tell me that my

> family doctor or the 10+ other doctors that I've seen in the last 12

> years didn't have a clue. If they didn't, it's because they didn't

> care enough to look . I'm so pissed that I suffered all these years

> from unbearable pain and it all could have been prevented. what was

> supposed to be the best years of my life was not a life at all. and

> what I'm left with is going to effect me the rest of my life and I'm

> just waiting for the C word. where will it show up first? Dr.

> Shoemaker is right that these doctors should be sued for misdignoses

> based on lack of giveing a sh## enough to really take the time to look

> at past medical records and knowtise that all these strange symptoms

> and multiple illnesses may be from one cause. it's even worse when

> your house has been tested and found to have molds that are known to

> produce mycotoxins and they still misdignose you. it's even worse when

> you go to somewhere like the (very well known)M clinic, because you

> tell them you have been exposed to mold in your home and have many

> symptoms including dierrhea with blood and they want you there

> immeditly and still misdignose you,saying " that while some of your

> illnesses can be from mold exposure THEY DONT THINK they all can be " .

> when they themselfs have already discovered that cronic sinusitis is

> caused by mold and they document that you have that and about ten

> other things. and they tell you they wont be drug to court and the

> mold illness is to controversal. I want to know just why I can

> research my own illness and link it all to mold and doctors cant. the

> only reason is because they didn't take the time and didn't care

> enough about your pain and didn't respect you enough to take your

> complaints seriously. and some just dont want to have to testify for

> you in court, so they would rather misdignose you instead. this is

> just the biggest pot of crap I have ever had the misfortune of going

> through.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gingersnap1964@... wrote:

> You are where I was at six months to a year ago. I was so pissed

off I even yelled at senators who wouldn't do anything. >

Yeah! That's where I was around eight years ago when I went

ballistic in Dr s office. I couldn't believe that after all

these years of asking, he was just going to keep stringing me along

and never even give me a definite answer as to whether he was EVER

going to investigate mold as I had asked at the very beginning of the

CFS epidemic when my illness started after I inhaled a crapload of

mold and fell flat on the ground.

So I slammed my fist on his desk and yelled " Just at least tell me

YES OR NO! "

And, of course - the answer was " no " .

His receptionists just glared at me with expressions of pure hatred.

They thought I was completely insane for daring to take issue with the

world famous doctor who was one of the heroes of the CFS epidemic.

But after I left his practice and started " extreme avoidance " , I

would stop by and drop off information about mold with one of the

receptionists, and I know that Dr read it, for although he

refused to ever speak to me again, when two of his patients that had

recovered on ampligen relapsed again, he told them to move out of

their moldy houses: a major difference from when he was telling me

that he thought that this strategy wouldn't help and mold wasn't the

problem.

Moving helped to prevent these two patients from getting worse, but

since they know nothing of making a more concerted effort at avoidance

as I had done, they moved their possessions with them, and they

haven't improved much since then.

I can't totally put all the blame on doctors for refusing to listen

to something that might help, because I spent years going to CFS

support groups and finding people expressing " The Right Clues " for

mold reactivity, and when I told them how much avoidance had helped

me - they would rhetorically demand " Who the Hell do you think you

are? " which is a far stronger expression of disinterest than I got

from doctors. It's ironic that my sensitivity would tell me that they

were covered with mold and yet they vehemently denied it because their

doctors had told them that mold reactivity is impossible.

Many had suspected it, but they believed their doctors and totally

denounced the concept and didn't want to hear a word about it.

So if I seem a bit arrogant at times, it's because I not only got

slammed from doctors, but was treated even worse by sick people

reeking with mold who thought it was arrogant and presumptuous of me

to think that I could tell them anything or knew something that

doctors did not.

Years of being treated this way tends to make a person somewhat

defensive. I probably just should have given up and not wasted my

time as Rick advised me to, but I really wanted this phenomenon

to be investigated, there is no one else who was in my position can

say the things I can about the origins of CFS, and I just couldn't

believe CFSers looking desperately for anything at all that might help

would continue to treat me this way.

Also it's because what I am thinking is " Who am I? I'm the CFS and

mold survivor who got to go out and climb mountains thanks to mold

avoidance, and you're a damned fool to be so quick to flush this

information down the toilet " .

-

[Guest guest]

Jeannie--If every doctor who misdiagnosed mold toxxicity were locked up, there

would be very few left indeed. I kept telling mine last year when I was too

weak to do anything about it. They all thought I was crazy. You coulod not be

this crazy by itself. arl

" Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote: Jeannie,

Thank you. What you did is VERY healthy and exciting! It's often

needed to break out of being a victim. Yes, you are still victimized

but that is different than being a victim. This is a step toward

taking charge of your life instead of waiting for the " experts " to

tell you what to do; or waiting for them to affirm the truth of your

experience. YOU know what happened and YOU know why. You don't need

someone else to define you life and correct YOUR experience. THEY

DON'T KNOW. YOU DO! And you don't need their approval.

We all have to learn, by trial and error, who to trust - even if that

person is only ourself. That is part of what makes this experience so

lonely. You lose not only possesions but people, especially loved

ones. It becomes exceeding difficult to patiently take care of

yourself within the unjust limits and to knowingly miss opportunities

that in the past you could accomplish without effort.

In my opinion, you are on the right road and there are MANY out here

that understand because they've been there - and are there - also. It

took me at least 5 years to reach the point that you have just

expressed and 15 years later I'm still struggling with transforming

that energy into constructive change instead of wasted attacks.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> OK, NOW IT'S TIME FOR MY B#### FIT

> I'm so pissed off, that I have been able to trace every one of my

> illnesses(dignosed, misdignosed, and not dignosed at all) to

> mold/mycotoxin exposure and doctors couldn't?? give me a break, this

> is bull s### I have been working on this and have several files saved

> that link every thing that I knew was caused by 8 years of

> mold/mycotoxin exposure to my illnesses. from the minute you INHALE it

> into your nose and the path it followed. I'm sick of reading that the

> many symptoms that we all complain of is to veritable to link mold to

> our illnesses, thats bull. it follows the easy path and effects the

> weakest organs first which will be different for all of us, and lenght

> of exposure and mold types is also the deturmineing factor of each of

> our illnesses from our exposure. that is the only differences in the

> outcome of what effects we will have. no one can tell me that my

> family doctor or the 10+ other doctors that I've seen in the last 12

> years didn't have a clue. If they didn't, it's because they didn't

> care enough to look . I'm so pissed that I suffered all these years

> from unbearable pain and it all could have been prevented. what was

> supposed to be the best years of my life was not a life at all. and

> what I'm left with is going to effect me the rest of my life and I'm

> just waiting for the C word. where will it show up first? Dr.

> Shoemaker is right that these doctors should be sued for misdignoses

> based on lack of giveing a sh## enough to really take the time to look

> at past medical records and knowtise that all these strange symptoms

> and multiple illnesses may be from one cause. it's even worse when

> your house has been tested and found to have molds that are known to

> produce mycotoxins and they still misdignose you. it's even worse when

> you go to somewhere like the (very well known)M clinic, because you

> tell them you have been exposed to mold in your home and have many

> symptoms including dierrhea with blood and they want you there

> immeditly and still misdignose you,saying " that while some of your

> illnesses can be from mold exposure THEY DONT THINK they all can be " .

> when they themselfs have already discovered that cronic sinusitis is

> caused by mold and they document that you have that and about ten

> other things. and they tell you they wont be drug to court and the

> mold illness is to controversal. I want to know just why I can

> research my own illness and link it all to mold and doctors cant. the

> only reason is because they didn't take the time and didn't care

> enough about your pain and didn't respect you enough to take your

> complaints seriously. and some just dont want to have to testify for

> you in court, so they would rather misdignose you instead. this is

> just the biggest pot of crap I have ever had the misfortune of going

> through.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jeanie,

Many years ago I developed Panic Disorder and

Agoraphobia, but back then, most doctors, especially

the doctors in this area, didn't even know what it

was. And not only couldn't they attach a name to the

symptoms I was having, but they didn't even want to be

bothered with me. They just wrote me off as some " nut

case. "

And it didn't take too long, before friends and family

also deserted me. But nowadays, mention a Panic Attack

to someone, and immediately they know what you're

talking about. And after everything I went through

back then, if I were to let it, it would really tick

me off, but I refuse to dwell in the past.

Instead, as a result of the way doctors, friends, and

family treated me, I soon realized, the only person in

this world who you can truly count on, is Yourself,

and I still feel the same way today.

And now, many years later, I find myself once again

going to doctors, only this time, because of the many

symptoms I developed from living in a mold-infested

building. But basically, I'm running into the same

thing. The doctors either don't know what to do, or

don't want to be bothered with me.

So, the " attitude " I developed years ago, got me

through the hard times back then, and it will get me

through this time.

And probably, in another 10 or so years from now,

hopefully sooner, when you mention " mold, " or

" mycotoxins, " to a doctor, or even to some stranger on

the street, they will immediatley know how dangerous

they are, and won't look at you like you are crazy.

So hang in there Jeanie, and know that we are all here

for you, when you need us.

Barb E.

--- who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> OK, NOW IT'S TIME FOR MY B#### FIT

> I'm so pissed off, that I have been able to trace

> every one of my

> illnesses(dignosed, misdignosed, and not dignosed at

> all) to

> mold/mycotoxin exposure and doctors couldn't?? give

> me a break,

> this is bull s###

> I have been working on this and have several files

> saved that link

> every thing that I knew was caused by 8 years of

> mold/mycotoxin

> exposure to my illnesses.

> from the minute you INHALE it into your nose and the

> path it followed.

> I'm sick of reading that the many symptoms that we

> all complain of is

> to veritable to link mold to our illnesses, thats

> bull. it follows

> the easy path and effects the weakest organs first

> which will be

> different for all of us, and lenght of exposure and

> mold types is

> also the deturmineing factor of each of our

> illnesses from our

> exposure. that is the only differences in the

> outcome of what effects

> we will have.

> no one can tell me that my family doctor or the 10+

> other doctors

> that I've seen in the last 12 years

> didn't have a clue.

> If they didn't, it's because they didn't care enough

> to look .

> I'm so pissed that I suffered all these years from

> unbearable pain

> and it all could have been prevented.

> what was supposed to be the best years of my life

> was not a life at

> all.

> and what I'm left with is going to effect me the

> rest of my life and

> I'm just waiting for the C word. where will it show

> up first?

> Dr. Shoemaker is right that these doctors should be

> sued for

> misdignoses based on lack of giveing a sh## enough

> to really take the

> time to look at past medical records and knowtise

> that all these

> strange symptoms and multiple illnesses may be from

> one cause. it's

> even worse when your house has been tested and found

> to have molds

> that are known to produce mycotoxins and they still

> misdignose you.

> it's even worse when you go to somewhere like the

> (very well known)M

> clinic, because you tell them you have been exposed

> to mold in your

> home and have many symptoms including dierrhea with

> blood and they

> want you there immeditly and still misdignose

> you,saying " that while

> some of your illnesses can be from mold exposure

> THEY DONT THINK they

> all can be " . when they themselfs have already

> discovered that cronic

> sinusitis is caused by mold and they document that

> you have that and

> about ten other things. and they tell you they wont

> be drug to court

> and the mold illness is to controversal.

> I want to know just why I can research my own

> illness and link it all

> to mold and doctors cant.

> the only reason is because they didn't take the time

> and didn't care

> enough about your pain and didn't respect you enough

> to take your

> complaints seriously. and some just dont want to

> have to testify for

> you in court, so they would rather misdignose you

> instead. this is

> just the biggest pot of crap I have ever had the

> misfortune of going

> through.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Although I know a lot of doctors probably went into the field due

hoping to make a good living rather than because they wanted to " take

care of people " , I really think the fault lies in medical schools.

This is the way they are taught. Line these symptoms up with this

pill and those symptoms up with that pill, period. I've heard the

pharmaceutical industry picks up the bill for a lot of medical

education, providing the medical books, with glossy pictures of their

pills. I've talked to some doctors who don't even seem to know how

the body works.

>

> OK, NOW IT'S TIME FOR MY B#### FIT

> I'm so pissed off, that I have been able to trace every one of my

> illnesses(dignosed, misdignosed, and not dignosed at all) to

>

[Guest guest]

AAAAAAAAAAA-----MENNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Elvira

Re: [] OK, NOW IT'S TIME FOR MY FIT

Jeannie,

Thank you. What you did is VERY healthy and exciting! It's often

needed to break out of being a victim. Yes, you are still victimized

but that is different than being a victim. This is a step toward

taking charge of your life instead of waiting for the " experts " to

tell you what to do; or waiting for them to affirm the truth of your

experience. YOU know what happened and YOU know why. You don't need

someone else to define you life and correct YOUR experience. THEY

DON'T KNOW. YOU DO! And you don't need their approval.

We all have to learn, by trial and error, who to trust - even if that

person is only ourself. That is part of what makes this experience so

lonely. You lose not only possesions but people, especially loved

ones. It becomes exceeding difficult to patiently take care of

yourself within the unjust limits and to knowingly miss opportunities

that in the past you could accomplish without effort.

In my opinion, you are on the right road and there are MANY out here

that understand because they've been there - and are there - also. It

took me at least 5 years to reach the point that you have just

expressed and 15 years later I'm still struggling with transforming

that energy into constructive change instead of wasted attacks.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> OK, NOW IT'S TIME FOR MY B#### FIT

> I'm so pissed off, that I have been able to trace every one of my

> illnesses(dignosed, misdignosed, and not dignosed at all) to

> mold/mycotoxin exposure and doctors couldn't?? give me a break, this

> is bull s### I have been working on this and have several files saved

> that link every thing that I knew was caused by 8 years of

> mold/mycotoxin exposure to my illnesses. from the minute you INHALE it

> into your nose and the path it followed. I'm sick of reading that the

> many symptoms that we all complain of is to veritable to link mold to

> our illnesses, thats bull. it follows the easy path and effects the

> weakest organs first which will be different for all of us, and lenght

> of exposure and mold types is also the deturmineing factor of each of

> our illnesses from our exposure. that is the only differences in the

> outcome of what effects we will have. no one can tell me that my

> family doctor or the 10+ other doctors that I've seen in the last 12

> years didn't have a clue. If they didn't, it's because they didn't

> care enough to look . I'm so pissed that I suffered all these years

> from unbearable pain and it all could have been prevented. what was

> supposed to be the best years of my life was not a life at all. and

> what I'm left with is going to effect me the rest of my life and I'm

> just waiting for the C word. where will it show up first? Dr.

> Shoemaker is right that these doctors should be sued for misdignoses

> based on lack of giveing a sh## enough to really take the time to look

> at past medical records and knowtise that all these strange symptoms

> and multiple illnesses may be from one cause. it's even worse when

> your house has been tested and found to have molds that are known to

> produce mycotoxins and they still misdignose you. it's even worse when

> you go to somewhere like the (very well known)M clinic, because you

> tell them you have been exposed to mold in your home and have many

> symptoms including dierrhea with blood and they want you there

> immeditly and still misdignose you,saying " that while some of your

> illnesses can be from mold exposure THEY DONT THINK they all can be " .

> when they themselfs have already discovered that cronic sinusitis is

> caused by mold and they document that you have that and about ten

> other things. and they tell you they wont be drug to court and the

> mold illness is to controversal. I want to know just why I can

> research my own illness and link it all to mold and doctors cant. the

> only reason is because they didn't take the time and didn't care

> enough about your pain and didn't respect you enough to take your

> complaints seriously. and some just dont want to have to testify for

> you in court, so they would rather misdignose you instead. this is

> just the biggest pot of crap I have ever had the misfortune of going

> through.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The problem is Carl, that you are restricted to testing and medicine,

etc, to get from these doctors and so it is hard to keep from being

victimized. You can practice avoidance without their help but that is

about it.

--- In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...>

wrote:

>

> Jeannie,

>

> Thank you. What you did is VERY healthy and exciting! It's often

> needed to break out of being a victim. Yes, you are still victimized

> but that

[Guest guest]

Sharon & all,

You are absolutely correct - one nation under corporation....

with GWB sitting at the head of the table. This man has racked up 40%

more debt since 2000 than ALL of the other presidents COMBINED! Guess

where all that money is going? To corporations to pay for this war, to

pharma to pay for stockpile of drugs for non-existant health

scares...this list goes on and on. Nothing left to help those that are

being victimized by the corporations/business.

The same harrassement of docs who dared to stick their necks out about

mold has happened in the fight against mercury/and other neurotoxins

in our vaccines. They have been subjected to the same 'sham peer

review' usually at the urging of lobbyists for the industry. Add to

that the media acting as a personal pr company for pharma,( & now the

ins industry) they've got the average American in their pocket - until

it happens to them.

Recently, the mercury campaign, which started out just as the mold

fight has, is getting the attention of people with power. But it

didn't happen until the children of powerful people were injured - and

the research is now catching up - proof that hundreds of thousands of

American parents weren't wrong about vaccines making their children

sick. For mold, thank goodness the research is starting to catch up.

What is very disconcerning to me, having a child injured by both of

these horrible toxins, how many people have kids injured by both mold

and vaccines and don't have a clue? Only thru intense research & a

good doc were we able to figure it all out.

There are silver linings. Because of our son's illness from mold, we

were able to catch the cancer in my husband-from mold- hopefully early

enough to save his life. We have pathology showing the mycotoxins in

his kidney tumor. We only have that thanks a pathologist who is

willing to go the extra mile - not the pathologist at the university

hopsital where he had his surgery.

But, none of this would have been caught if left to the family doc or

even major medical centers in a major city (who are supported by big

pharma). We had to search the country for a dr that was looking at

things 'differently.' Thank God for his courage. And of course, he is

now one of those being subjected to harrassement.

The average doc still believes his malpractice ins is going up because

of lawsuits. It's been proven over & over that's not true - but

lobbyists say it loud & often enough people believe it. Just like many

of the other lies propagated by this administration. Tort reform

happens state by state. The average American no longer can seek

justice from corporations. Ins premiums for docs have gone up mainly

because the ins co's have made some bad investments in the past & try

to make it up on the backs of the insured. Sound familiar? S**t runs

downhill. The malpractice suits account for less than 2% of the

preminum rise. Keep 'em scared.

Big corporations have succeded in curtailing the vaccine litagation,

working on malpractise litagation, pretty soon you won't have any

legal recourse against landlords/ins co's/contractors for mold injury.

What bothers me the most- when outright lies are uncovered (Bruce's

mouse study, the CDC's coverup on the Datalink survey [shows that

there is as strong a correlation between vaccines & neurodevelopmental

problems as there is between tobacco & cancer - reported on CBS

evening news 5/04], DOD higher ups lying before Congressional hearings

that the Anthrax vaccine is safe when they had studies showing

differently)- when these lies are uncovered and nothing is done. No

one is held accountable. How many people have been injured or killed

by these lies?? Why aren't these creeps in jail for fraud, deception

lying under oath or even murder - IF they get fired, they're hired by

big corporations and given great salaries. What will it take for the

average American to say stop, this is enough? WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE

from the American public?!?

SW

In , snk1955@... wrote:

>

>

> Barb,

>

> The matter goes much deeper and is much more insidious than what you

> describe. Since about the year 2000, industry has been given free

reign over many

> aspects of our lives. By only having one party controlling the

Presidency, the

> House and the Senate, the checks and balances of government are not

there.

> There is too much power by one school of thought. And that school

of thought

> strongly supports commerce and industry.

>

> As it pertains to the mold issue, the concept of " not plausible " is

based on

> a foundation that any high school student would be able to see

through as not

> sound science.

>

> Yet, it was endorsed by major medical associations, primarily ACOEM.

It was

> then given the blessing of industry with the assistance of the US

Chamber of

> Commerce. The primary reason why you can't medical treatment is

because to

> acknowledge these illnesses as legitimate, would increase financial

liability

> for stakeholders.

>

> The way it is controlled is by expert defense witnesses in mold

litigation

> being given carte blanche to write national medical protocol. Thus

" not

> plausible " . Many of these national policy writers involved in the

mold issue have

> never even touched mold or mycotoxins within a lab setting. They

have never

> treated a patient as they are PhDs. They not even qualified to

exam humans,

> or even animals. All they really do is write review papers that

they call

> state of the art, but they really are not state of the art. They

only cite

> what they want to be seen that supports their point of view.

>

> But the problem goes even deeper than this. In trying to understand

how

> this deceit could occur within medicine, I began to speak to

doctors. By and

> large, the doctors are also being victimized by the situation.

Regarding mold,

> they are being specifically fed propaganda that all you really want

is to go

> to court and get money from some poor building owner.

>

> The medical associations, that write medical protocol have written

in a

> manner that is friendly to the insurance industry and hostile to

you. Not just

> regarding mold, but many illnesses. Workers comp is a primary area

that has

> been subjected to much questionable guidelines.

>

> Doctors can't treat their patients under these guidelines and those

who do,

> become harassed and ostracized. Some have had their licenses

challenged or

> even taken away. The process is called " sham peer review " . It is

happening

> all across the country with increasing frequency. And oddly, but

probably not

> oddly, the documents of complaint against many of these doctors

look very

> similar. They vary little from state to state.

>

> What appears to be happening is that there is benefit to being

within the

> inner circle of medical associations. And everyone else can go to

hell.

>

> In Ca, the guidelines for workers' comp that were written by ACOEM,

have

> caused such a problem, there was a state Senate meeting on the

matter about a

> month ago. Dcotors brought in their patients and spoke together of

how industry

> is limiting proper care.

>

> In Washington, there was a large group of doctors that held a

Congressional

> briefing (primarily surgeons that could not operate because

insurance said it

> would not cover it - they challenged and were harassed).

>

> In Mass, just last week there was an article in Boston Globe of a

doctor

> complaining of this. He is actually doing things that are illegal in

order to

> treat his patients. This is not a quack doctor, he is Harvard

educated. And

> yes, many of our mold doctors are feeling the heat.

>

> So, when you get right to it, it is not merely rude doctors that

treat you

> like dirt because of misinfomation. It is not lack of understanding

of these

> illnesses. It is not even the mold itself that is a problem.

>

> It is the underlying cause of greed and corruption allowed to run

rampant in

> this country since about the year 2000. I am not a Republican or a

> Democrat. But, I think Bush is either an idiot or a very

evil man. Under his

> stewardship, the rats have taken over the ship.

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

> Although I know a lot of doctors probably went into the field due

> hoping to make a good living rather than because they wanted to " take

> care of people " , I really think the fault lies in medical schools.

> This is the way they are taught. Line these symptoms up with this

> pill and those symptoms up with that pill, period. I've heard the

> pharmaceutical industry picks up the bill for a lot of medical

> education, providing the medical books, with glossy pictures of their

> pills. I've talked to some doctors who don't even seem to know how

> the body works.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

I know you have been very involved in this and know about what you are

speaking out. I realized my explanation was over simplified and

situation was much more complicated. I guess what I wanted to say is

that I don't think the problem is at the doctor level. However I did

believe that at one time. Certainly there are too many doctors who

just don't care very much. However I seen that there are also many

caring doctors are being led to believe that mold is not a problem for

people's health and as you pointed out by a number of evil practices

going on.

>

>

> Barb,

>

> The matter goes much deeper and is much more insidious than what

you

> describe.