Re: new year, new (old) politics

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In Scotland, too. See http://news.scotsman.com/health/Tories39-20m-health-visits-vow.5951619.jp where yesterday's Scotsman reported:"SCOTTISH Tories today called for funding of £20 million to ensure universal health visiting services across the country.

Public health spokesman Carlaw claimed successive ish governments had undermined the health visitor's role.He

said: "Health visitors are the frontline in child protection, which is

why their role is so crucial. ish Conservatives are determined to

bring a renaissance in health visiting after years of meltdown. To

achieve this Scotland needs a national strategy that re-establishes

health visitors as an integral part of every GP practice within every

health board area across the country."Conservatives have

identified £20m to deliver this, and to ensure better support for new

parents through a massive increase in home health visiting services." He said there should be guaranteed support until children reached the age of five."Good to see positive assurances about the worth of universal health visiting, but I am not sure that £20m will be enough, unless it is extra to current provision. On 29 Dec 2009, at 09:31, Cowley wrote:Happy new year everyone. Interesting to see health visiting as a political football, as in this Financial Times report, which concludes'A Treasury cost estimate of guarantees on health visitor support for families also differs from the Tory calculations. The Tories said pledges on a minimum number of home visits for pregnant women and families with young children would cost about £200m a year and require around 4,200 more health visitors.However, the Treasury estimates it will need between 8,700 and 15,200 new health visitors costing up to £684m a year. If the policy was introduced over a four-year parliament, the total cost would be between £1bn and £1.7bn.The Tories say the analysis shows hiring 4,000 new workers is affordable and they dismiss the gap of up to £900m as “speculative and not based on credible analysis”.'Full article on:http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b0fcc010-f326-11de-a888-00144feab49a.htmlbest wishes Cowleysarahcowley183btinternethttp://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

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In Scotland, too. See http://news.scotsman.com/health/Tories39-20m-health-visits-vow.5951619.jp where yesterday's Scotsman reported:"SCOTTISH Tories today called for funding of £20 million to ensure universal health visiting services across the country.

Public health spokesman Carlaw claimed successive ish governments had undermined the health visitor's role.He

said: "Health visitors are the frontline in child protection, which is

why their role is so crucial. ish Conservatives are determined to

bring a renaissance in health visiting after years of meltdown. To

achieve this Scotland needs a national strategy that re-establishes

health visitors as an integral part of every GP practice within every

health board area across the country."Conservatives have

identified £20m to deliver this, and to ensure better support for new

parents through a massive increase in home health visiting services." He said there should be guaranteed support until children reached the age of five."Good to see positive assurances about the worth of universal health visiting, but I am not sure that £20m will be enough, unless it is extra to current provision. On 29 Dec 2009, at 09:31, Cowley wrote:Happy new year everyone. Interesting to see health visiting as a political football, as in this Financial Times report, which concludes'A Treasury cost estimate of guarantees on health visitor support for families also differs from the Tory calculations. The Tories said pledges on a minimum number of home visits for pregnant women and families with young children would cost about £200m a year and require around 4,200 more health visitors.However, the Treasury estimates it will need between 8,700 and 15,200 new health visitors costing up to £684m a year. If the policy was introduced over a four-year parliament, the total cost would be between £1bn and £1.7bn.The Tories say the analysis shows hiring 4,000 new workers is affordable and they dismiss the gap of up to £900m as “speculative and not based on credible analysis”.'Full article on:http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b0fcc010-f326-11de-a888-00144feab49a.htmlbest wishes Cowleysarahcowley183btinternethttp://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

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Great news if it happens and as you say its only a start 20million wont go far! what this means for existing policy in Scotland should be interesting?

Liz

========================================Message Received: Jan 03 2010, 10:05 AMFrom: " Cowley" Cc: Subject: Re: new year, new (old) politics

In Scotland, too. See http://news.scotsman.com/health/Tories39-20m-health-visits-vow.5951619.jp

where yesterday's Scotsman reported:

"SCOTTISH Tories today called for funding of £20 million to ensure universal health visiting services across the country.

Public health spokesman Carlaw claimed successive ish governments had undermined the health visitor's role.He said: "Health visitors are the frontline in child protection, which is why their role is so crucial. ish Conservatives are determined to bring a renaissance in health visiting after years of meltdown. To achieve this Scotland needs a national strategy that re-establishes health visitors as an integral part of every GP practice within every health board area across the country."Conservatives have identified £20m to deliver this, and to ensure better support for new parents through a massive increase in home health visiting services." He said there should be guaranteed support until children reached the age of five."

Good to see positive assurances about the worth of universal health visiting, but I am not sure that £20m will be enough, unless it is extra to current provision.

On 29 Dec 2009, at 09:31, Cowley wrote:

Happy new year everyone. Interesting to see health visiting as a political football, as in this Financial Times report, which concludes

'A Treasury cost estimate of guarantees on health visitor support for families also differs from the Tory calculations. The Tories said pledges on a minimum number of home visits for pregnant women and families with young children would cost about £200m a year and require around 4,200 more health visitors.

However, the Treasury estimates it will need between 8,700 and 15,200 new health visitors costing up to £684m a year. If the policy was introduced over a four-year parliament, the total cost would be between £1bn and £1.7bn.

The Tories say the analysis shows hiring 4,000 new workers is affordable and they dismiss the gap of up to £900m as “speculative and not based on credible analysisâ€.'

Full article on:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b0fcc010-f326-11de-a888-00144feab49a.html

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Great news if it happens and as you say its only a start 20million wont go far! what this means for existing policy in Scotland should be interesting?

Liz

========================================Message Received: Jan 03 2010, 10:05 AMFrom: " Cowley" Cc: Subject: Re: new year, new (old) politics

In Scotland, too. See http://news.scotsman.com/health/Tories39-20m-health-visits-vow.5951619.jp

where yesterday's Scotsman reported:

"SCOTTISH Tories today called for funding of £20 million to ensure universal health visiting services across the country.

Public health spokesman Carlaw claimed successive ish governments had undermined the health visitor's role.He said: "Health visitors are the frontline in child protection, which is why their role is so crucial. ish Conservatives are determined to bring a renaissance in health visiting after years of meltdown. To achieve this Scotland needs a national strategy that re-establishes health visitors as an integral part of every GP practice within every health board area across the country."Conservatives have identified £20m to deliver this, and to ensure better support for new parents through a massive increase in home health visiting services." He said there should be guaranteed support until children reached the age of five."

Good to see positive assurances about the worth of universal health visiting, but I am not sure that £20m will be enough, unless it is extra to current provision.

On 29 Dec 2009, at 09:31, Cowley wrote:

Happy new year everyone. Interesting to see health visiting as a political football, as in this Financial Times report, which concludes

'A Treasury cost estimate of guarantees on health visitor support for families also differs from the Tory calculations. The Tories said pledges on a minimum number of home visits for pregnant women and families with young children would cost about £200m a year and require around 4,200 more health visitors.

However, the Treasury estimates it will need between 8,700 and 15,200 new health visitors costing up to £684m a year. If the policy was introduced over a four-year parliament, the total cost would be between £1bn and £1.7bn.

The Tories say the analysis shows hiring 4,000 new workers is affordable and they dismiss the gap of up to £900m as “speculative and not based on credible analysisâ€.'

Full article on:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b0fcc010-f326-11de-a888-00144feab49a.html

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To me is a very tactical move by the tories,

being ish and part of the nhs for 30 years I have witnessed many areas of promise and renage of from the Tories.

My intuition goes hand in hand with my memory.

In 2007 the Labour Government came to power and there was not one Tory politician represented in Scotland and that was due to 18 years of hell and running the Health Service & Public Health into the ground every time it raised its head. Public Health did not exist except with a token Inequalities departments.

Look at it now. Dont forget folks, there were no nursery places and no Sure Starts and Children Centres, Health was not as we see today.

Sceptic in me says that this is a wonderful public election token that has been well research by the spin doctors, will soon fade as soon as Tory power takes hold.

PS A great title for the subject.Margaret

From: Liz Plastow <cnmm@...> Sent: Mon, 4 January, 2010 9:42:40Subject: Re: new year, new (old) politics

Great news if it happens and as you say its only a start 20million wont go far! what this means for existing policy in Scotland should be interesting?

Liz

============ ========= ========= ========= =Message Received: Jan 03 2010, 10:05 AMFrom: " Cowley" Cc: Subject: Re: new year, new (old) politics

In Scotland, too. See http://news. scotsman. com/health/ Tories39- 20m-health- visits-vow. 5951619.jp

where yesterday's Scotsman reported:

"SCOTTISH Tories today called for funding of £20 million to ensure universal health visiting services across the country.

Public health spokesman Carlaw claimed successive ish governments had undermined the health visitor's role.He said: "Health visitors are the frontline in child protection, which is why their role is so crucial. ish Conservatives are determined to bring a renaissance in health visiting after years of meltdown. To achieve this Scotland needs a national strategy that re-establishes health visitors as an integral part of every GP practice within every health board area across the country."Conservatives have identified £20m to deliver this, and to ensure better support for new parents through a massive increase in home health visiting services." He said there should be guaranteed support until children reached the age of five."

Good to see positive assurances about the worth of universal health visiting, but I am not sure that £20m will be enough, unless it is extra to current provision.

On 29 Dec 2009, at 09:31, Cowley wrote:

Happy new year everyone. Interesting to see health visiting as a political football, as in this Financial Times report, which concludes

'A Treasury cost estimate of guarantees on health visitor support for families also differs from the Tory calculations. The Tories said pledges on a minimum number of home visits for pregnant women and families with young children would cost about £200m a year and require around 4,200 more health visitors.

However, the Treasury estimates it will need between 8,700 and 15,200 new health visitors costing up to £684m a year. If the policy was introduced over a four-year parliament, the total cost would be between £1bn and £1.7bn.

The Tories say the analysis shows hiring 4,000 new workers is affordable and they dismiss the gap of up to £900m as “speculative and not based on credible analysisâ€.'

Full article on:

http://www.ft. com/cms/s/ 0/b0fcc010- f326-11de- a888-00144feab49 a.html

best wishes

Cowley

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Interesting follow on from the recent discussion about understanding social policy, in today's challenge from Unite-CPHVA to the Tories. Clearly the continued Tory pledges to increase health visiting numbers is starting to touch a nerve! See http://www.cypnow.co.uk/news/ByDiscipline/Health/978005/Sector-casts-doubt-Tory-health-visitor-pledge/I have no doubt, as Margaret suggests (below), that there is an element of political opportunism in the Tory pledges, but the bottom line is that the current government have done enormous harm to health visiting and that, in turn, is having an incredibly adverse impact on families and children up and down the country. It is a very clear indictment of their family policy and they should not be surprised that the opposition are making use of it. And, because CPHVA is now a fully integrated part of a very strongly left wing union, I guess we should not be surprised, either, that they have come out fighting for the Labour government, instead of welcoming the Tory proposals to support and boost health visiting numbers. The only worrying thing about this, is that (alongside the party political rough and tumble), there is a real need for non-party political discussion about how to development of the profession and boost numbers. That is not likely to be forthcoming from Unite, because of their wider remit and interest, primarily, in party politics and organised labour. We do need that, for all the important things that unions do around workplace polocies, pay and conditions etc, but oh dear, we so badly need a professional organisation whose purpose is to develop and speak for the profession as well.best wishesOn 4 Jan 2010, at 14:47, holtz wrote:To me is a very tactical move by the tories,being ish and part of the nhs for 30 years I have witnessed many areas of promise and renage of from the Tories. My intuition goes hand in hand with my memory. In 2007 the Labour Government came to power and there was not one Tory politician represented in Scotland and that was due to 18 years of hell and running the Health Service & Public Health into the ground every time it raised its head. Public Health did not exist except with a token Inequalities departments. Look at it now. Dont forget folks, there were no nursery places and no Sure Starts and Children Centres, Health was not as we see today. Sceptic in me says that this is a wonderful public election token that has been well research by the spin doctors, will soon fade as soon as Tory power takes hold. PS A great title for the subject.MargaretFrom: Liz Plastow <cnmmfsmail (DOT) net> Sent: Mon, 4 January, 2010 9:42:40Subject: Re: new year, new (old) politics Great news if it happens and as you say its only a start 20million wont go far! what this means for existing policy in Scotland should be interesting?Liz============ ========= ========= ========= =Message Received: Jan 03 2010, 10:05 AMFrom: " Cowley" Cc: Subject: Re: new year, new (old) politics In Scotland, too. See http://news. scotsman. com/health/ Tories39- 20m-health- visits-vow. 5951619.jp where yesterday's Scotsman reported:"SCOTTISH Tories today called for funding of £20 million to ensure universal health visiting services across the country.Public health spokesman Carlaw claimed successive ish governments had undermined the health visitor's role.He said: "Health visitors are the frontline in child protection, which is why their role is so crucial. ish Conservatives are determined to bring a renaissance in health visiting after years of meltdown. To achieve this Scotland needs a national strategy that re-establishes health visitors as an integral part of every GP practice within every health board area across the country."Conservatives have identified £20m to deliver this, and to ensure better support for new parents through a massive increase in home health visiting services." He said there should be guaranteed support until children reached the age of five."Good to see positive assurances about the worth of universal health visiting, but I am not sure that £20m will be enough, unless it is extra to current provision. On 29 Dec 2009, at 09:31, Cowley wrote:Happy new year everyone. Interesting to see health visiting as a political football, as in this Financial Times report, which concludes'A Treasury cost estimate of guarantees on health visitor support for families also differs from the Tory calculations. The Tories said pledges on a minimum number of home visits for pregnant women and families with young children would cost about £200m a year and require around 4,200 more health visitors.However, the Treasury estimates it will need between 8,700 and 15,200 new health visitors costing up to £684m a year. If the policy was introduced over a four-year parliament, the total cost would be between £1bn and £1.7bn.The Tories say the analysis shows hiring 4,000 new workers is affordable and they dismiss the gap of up to £900m as “speculative and not based on credible analysis”.'Full article on:http://www.ft. com/cms/s/ 0/b0fcc010- f326-11de- a888-00144feab49 a.htmlbest wishes Cowleysarahcowley183@ btinternet. comhttp://myprofile. cos.com/S124021C On Cowleysarahcowley183@ btinternet. comhttp://myprofile. cos.com/S124021C OnEnter your signature Liz PlastowTel 07792363387= Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

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Interesting follow on from the recent discussion about understanding social policy, in today's challenge from Unite-CPHVA to the Tories. Clearly the continued Tory pledges to increase health visiting numbers is starting to touch a nerve! See http://www.cypnow.co.uk/news/ByDiscipline/Health/978005/Sector-casts-doubt-Tory-health-visitor-pledge/I have no doubt, as Margaret suggests (below), that there is an element of political opportunism in the Tory pledges, but the bottom line is that the current government have done enormous harm to health visiting and that, in turn, is having an incredibly adverse impact on families and children up and down the country. It is a very clear indictment of their family policy and they should not be surprised that the opposition are making use of it. And, because CPHVA is now a fully integrated part of a very strongly left wing union, I guess we should not be surprised, either, that they have come out fighting for the Labour government, instead of welcoming the Tory proposals to support and boost health visiting numbers. The only worrying thing about this, is that (alongside the party political rough and tumble), there is a real need for non-party political discussion about how to development of the profession and boost numbers. That is not likely to be forthcoming from Unite, because of their wider remit and interest, primarily, in party politics and organised labour. We do need that, for all the important things that unions do around workplace polocies, pay and conditions etc, but oh dear, we so badly need a professional organisation whose purpose is to develop and speak for the profession as well.best wishesOn 4 Jan 2010, at 14:47, holtz wrote:To me is a very tactical move by the tories,being ish and part of the nhs for 30 years I have witnessed many areas of promise and renage of from the Tories. My intuition goes hand in hand with my memory. In 2007 the Labour Government came to power and there was not one Tory politician represented in Scotland and that was due to 18 years of hell and running the Health Service & Public Health into the ground every time it raised its head. Public Health did not exist except with a token Inequalities departments. Look at it now. Dont forget folks, there were no nursery places and no Sure Starts and Children Centres, Health was not as we see today. Sceptic in me says that this is a wonderful public election token that has been well research by the spin doctors, will soon fade as soon as Tory power takes hold. PS A great title for the subject.MargaretFrom: Liz Plastow <cnmmfsmail (DOT) net> Sent: Mon, 4 January, 2010 9:42:40Subject: Re: new year, new (old) politics Great news if it happens and as you say its only a start 20million wont go far! what this means for existing policy in Scotland should be interesting?Liz============ ========= ========= ========= =Message Received: Jan 03 2010, 10:05 AMFrom: " Cowley" Cc: Subject: Re: new year, new (old) politics In Scotland, too. See http://news. scotsman. com/health/ Tories39- 20m-health- visits-vow. 5951619.jp where yesterday's Scotsman reported:"SCOTTISH Tories today called for funding of £20 million to ensure universal health visiting services across the country.Public health spokesman Carlaw claimed successive ish governments had undermined the health visitor's role.He said: "Health visitors are the frontline in child protection, which is why their role is so crucial. ish Conservatives are determined to bring a renaissance in health visiting after years of meltdown. To achieve this Scotland needs a national strategy that re-establishes health visitors as an integral part of every GP practice within every health board area across the country."Conservatives have identified £20m to deliver this, and to ensure better support for new parents through a massive increase in home health visiting services." He said there should be guaranteed support until children reached the age of five."Good to see positive assurances about the worth of universal health visiting, but I am not sure that £20m will be enough, unless it is extra to current provision. On 29 Dec 2009, at 09:31, Cowley wrote:Happy new year everyone. Interesting to see health visiting as a political football, as in this Financial Times report, which concludes'A Treasury cost estimate of guarantees on health visitor support for families also differs from the Tory calculations. The Tories said pledges on a minimum number of home visits for pregnant women and families with young children would cost about £200m a year and require around 4,200 more health visitors.However, the Treasury estimates it will need between 8,700 and 15,200 new health visitors costing up to £684m a year. If the policy was introduced over a four-year parliament, the total cost would be between £1bn and £1.7bn.The Tories say the analysis shows hiring 4,000 new workers is affordable and they dismiss the gap of up to £900m as “speculative and not based on credible analysis”.'Full article on:http://www.ft. com/cms/s/ 0/b0fcc010- f326-11de- a888-00144feab49 a.htmlbest wishes Cowleysarahcowley183@ btinternet. comhttp://myprofile. cos.com/S124021C On Cowleysarahcowley183@ btinternet. comhttp://myprofile. cos.com/S124021C OnEnter your signature Liz PlastowTel 07792363387= Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

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Hi

I'm sure ther is a strong elemant of Tory opportunism in their pledge and we can be sure that what ever they pledge it will not be enough to make up the shortfall of HVs.

We did discuss the possibility of setting up a new professional body at our last steering group meeting and now would seem to be a good time to do that. The unions are very helpful to us in many ways but it is difficult for HVs to identify with a particular union as fully representing them professionally as they are so large now and have competing pressures from other health groups and indeed other workforce groups.

Perhaps this is an opportunity for us to consider what others of you think of this idea and how it might be taken forward.

Best wishes

Maggie

Specialist HV & Partnership Dev Officer 0-5s

Re: new year, new (old) politics

In Scotland, too. See http://news. scotsman. com/health/ Tories39- 20m-health- visits-vow. 5951619.jp

where yesterday's Scotsman reported:

"SCOTTISH Tories today called for funding of £20 million to ensure universal health visiting services across the country.

Public health spokesman Carlaw claimed successive ish governments had undermined the health visitor's role.He said: "Health visitors are the frontline in child protection, which is why their role is so crucial. ish Conservatives are determined to bring a renaissance in health visiting after years of meltdown. To achieve this Scotland needs a national strategy that re-establishes health visitors as an integral part of every GP practice within every health board area across the country."Conservatives have identified £20m to deliver this, and to ensure better support for new parents through a massive increase in home health visiting services." He said there should be guaranteed support until children reached the age of five."

Good to see positive assurances about the worth of universal health visiting, but I am not sure that £20m will be enough, unless it is extra to current provision.

On 29 Dec 2009, at 09:31, Cowley wrote:

Happy new year everyone. Interesting to see health visiting as a political football, as in this Financial Times report, which concludes

'A Treasury cost estimate of guarantees on health visitor support for families also differs from the Tory calculations. The Tories said pledges on a minimum number of home visits for pregnant women and families with young children would cost about £200m a year and require around 4,200 more health visitors.

However, the Treasury estimates it will need between 8,700 and 15,200 new health visitors costing up to £684m a year. If the policy was introduced over a four-year parliament, the total cost would be between £1bn and £1.7bn.

The Tories say the analysis shows hiring 4,000 new workers is affordable and they dismiss the gap of up to £900m as “speculative and not based on credible analysis”.'

Full article on:

http://www.ft. com/cms/s/ 0/b0fcc010- f326-11de- a888-00144feab49 a.html

best wishes

Cowley

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