RE: How are these people 'licensed'?

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'Craniosacral' is not owned by SOT or DCs and can basically be used by anyone. The licensure she annotates is not familiar to me.

Anybody can claim anything they want, can't they? Most likely this is a skilled woman working with integrity. Just hope her malpractic is paid up.

Caveat Emptor.

Sunny

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From: sharronf@...Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:34:28 -0700Subject: How are these people 'licensed'?

Sunny, others?

What do you know about the people who are not LMTs or DCs or NDs doing this? How are they licensed?

http://www.carolgray.com/carolgray/About_Carol_Gray.html

s. fuchs dc

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Carol Gray is an LMT working in NW PDX for a long time, originally a doula. She moved into craniosacral work in the past 10 years or so and works with infants as well as all others. She has a good reputation, but I'm blind to her training. I believe she works only subtly on the cranium. She's been teaching CS to other LMTs (and maybe doulas) for the past few years. Looking at the East-West College of Healing Arts page, I see that they have two chiros on faculty: Lori Fish, DC and Noel Snodgrass, DC. The latter teaches "adjustive techniques," I see. A couple of the faculty (LMTs) teach "craniosacral." Here's their catalogue: http://www.eastwestcollege.com/doc_lib/Catalog.pdf Sears, DC, IAYT1218 NW 21st AvePortland, Oregon 97209v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Jul 13, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Sunny Kierstyn wrote: 'Craniosacral' is not owned by SOT or DCs and can basically be used by anyone. The licensure she annotates is not familiar to me. Anybody can claim anything they want, can't they? Most likely this is a skilled woman working with integrity. Just hope her malpractic is paid up. Caveat Emptor. Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com From: sharronftdinjurylawDate: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:34:28 -0700Subject: How are these people 'licensed'? Sunny, others? What do you know about the people who are not LMTs or DCs or NDs doing this? How are they licensed? http://www.carolgray.com/carolgray/About_Carol_Gray.html s. fuchs dc The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy.

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The massage therapists do a 'style' of craniosacral that seemed inordinately shallow to me so I have never put much stock in their approach. My experience with it from their hands is that they don't do enough to be beneficial so not even close to being potentially dangerous.

sk

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

sharronf@...CC: From: daniel.beebe@...Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:45:35 -0700Subject: Re: How are these people 'licensed'?

Why would the OBCE allow LMT's to do adjusting... and would this not be comnsidered " unprofessional " conduct to teach adjustive technic's to LMT's as I believe it is beyond the scope of their license.

Danno

How are these people 'licensed'?

Sunny, others?

What do you know about the people who are not LMTs or DCs or NDs doing this? How are they licensed?

http://www.carolgray.com/carolgray/About_Carol_Gray.html

s. fuchs dc

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[Guest guest]

Dan , Can you figure out if the DC teaches

the LMTs to adjust or if the person in the past taught adjustive techniques at

WSCC?

s. fuchs dc

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Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010

12:46 PM

Sharron Fuchs

Cc:

Subject: Re: How

are these people 'licensed'?

Why would the OBCE allow LMT's to do adjusting... and

would this not be comnsidered " unprofessional " conduct to teach

adjustive technic's to LMT's as I believe it is beyond the scope of their

license.

Danno

How are these people 'licensed'?

Sunny, others?

What do you know about the people who are not LMTs or

DCs or NDs doing this? How are they licensed?

http://www.carolgray.com/carolgray/About_Carol_Gray.html

s. fuchs dc

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How I came to be aware of this person is

that they are teaching a wide range of people – including unlicensed people- to

do craniosacral work on newborns. That is what concerned me.

s. fuchs

From: Sunny Kierstyn

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Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:25

PM

daniel.beebe@...;

Sharron Fuchs

Cc:

Subject: RE: How

are these people 'licensed'?

The massage therapists do a

'style' of craniosacral that seemed inordinately shallow to me so I have never

put much stock in their approach. My experience with it from their

hands is that they don't do enough to be beneficial so not even close to being

potentially dangerous.

sk

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC

Fibromyalgia Care

Center of Oregon

2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon,

97401

541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834

www.drsunnykierstyn.com

sharronf@...

CC:

From: daniel.beebe@...

Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:45:35 -0700

Subject: Re: How are these people 'licensed'?

Why would the OBCE allow LMT's to do adjusting... and

would this not be comnsidered " unprofessional " conduct to teach

adjustive technic's to LMT's as I believe it is beyond the scope of their

license.

Danno

How are these people 'licensed'?

Sunny, others?

What do you know about the people who are not LMTs or DCs or

NDs doing this? How are they licensed?

http://www.carolgray.com/carolgray/About_Carol_Gray.html

s. fuchs dc

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Hotmail. Get

busy.

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The piece that I object is that Dr. DeJarnetter was quite specific that cranials are NOT and NEVER tobe don without previous assessment and correction of the pelvis. That fact (the sacral component) seems to have been forgotten. It is not just the cranial component....that doesn't move well when/if the pelvis is left locked.

sk

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

CC: From: sharronf@...Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:49:56 -0700Subject: RE: How are these people 'licensed'?

How I came to be aware of this person is that they are teaching a wide range of people – including unlicensed people- to do craniosacral work on newborns. That is what concerned me.

s. fuchs

From: Sunny Kierstyn [mailto:skrndc1msn] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:25 PMdaniel.beebeverizon (DOT) net; Sharron FuchsCc: Subject: RE: How are these people 'licensed'?

The massage therapists do a 'style' of craniosacral that seemed inordinately shallow to me so I have never put much stock in their approach. My experience with it from their hands is that they don't do enough to be beneficial so not even close to being potentially dangerous. sk

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

sharronftdinjurylawCC: From: daniel.beebeverizon (DOT) netDate: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:45:35 -0700Subject: Re: How are these people 'licensed'?

Why would the OBCE allow LMT's to do adjusting... and would this not be comnsidered " unprofessional " conduct to teach adjustive technic's to LMT's as I believe it is beyond the scope of their license.

Danno

How are these people 'licensed'?

Sunny, others?

What do you know about the people who are not LMTs or DCs or NDs doing this? How are they licensed?

http://www.carolgray.com/carolgray/About_Carol_Gray.html

s. fuchs dc

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Sharron,

From the course catalogue, it looks like he teachs adjusting at WSCC, not at the massage school. However, this is concerning if it's otherwise. I think cranio sacral has/is a fine line. I think it can be billed with an adjusitng code as extra-spinal 98943 or -51 if done with a spinal section on the same visit. This would be a good question for the association to discuss and bring to the OBCE attn if the state assoc feels cranio-sacral is adjusting only. I think traditionally, we've looked at it as interchangable. In otherwords, either soft tissue or osseous, depending on diagnosis and work-up. (We- being when I was on the board.) I'm not sure of the current sentiment. Altho there are LOTS of LMTs who do cranio sacral; so it may be difficult to sort out.

Minga Guerrero DC

Re: How are these people 'licensed'?

Why would the OBCE allow LMT's to do adjusting... and would this not be comnsidered " unprofessional " conduct to teach adjustive technic's to LMT's as I believe it is beyond the scope of their license.

Danno

How are these people 'licensed'?

Sunny, others?

What do you know about the people who are not LMTs or DCs or NDs doing this? How are they licensed?

http://www.carolgray.com/carolgray/About_Carol_Gray.html

s. fuchs dc

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Minga,

The writeup/workup would indeed be the ddx between osseous and soft tissue approach or intent. Guess that's why I made the comment about 'shallow'.....less than osseous results seems less than effective to me these days. ;'-)) Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

sharronf@...CC: From: AboWoman@...Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:41:18 -0400Subject: Re: How are these people 'licensed'?

Sharron,

From the course catalogue, it looks like he teachs adjusting at WSCC, not at the massage school. However, this is concerning if it's otherwise. I think cranio sacral has/is a fine line. I think it can be billed with an adjusitng code as extra-spinal 98943 or -51 if done with a spinal section on the same visit. This would be a good question for the association to discuss and bring to the OBCE attn if the state assoc feels cranio-sacral is adjusting only. I think traditionally, we've looked at it as interchangable. In otherwords, either soft tissue or osseous, depending on diagnosis and work-up. (We- being when I was on the board.) I'm not sure of the current sentiment. Altho there are LOTS of LMTs who do cranio sacral; so it may be difficult to sort out. Minga Guerrero DC

Re: How are these people 'licensed'?

Why would the OBCE allow LMT's to do adjusting... and would this not be comnsidered " unprofessional " conduct to teach adjustive technic's to LMT's as I believe it is beyond the scope of their license.

Danno

How are these people 'licensed'?

Sunny, others?

What do you know about the people who are not LMTs or DCs or NDs doing this? How are they licensed?

http://www.carolgray.com/carolgray/About_Carol_Gray.html

s. fuchs dc

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