when child deaths are crime

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Dear all,There was an interesting piece in yesterday's Independent, baldly heading child deaths as 'crime,' when talking about children being murdered by their family. It was written to advertise a Dispatches programme on Channel 4, on Tuesday I think. Three things in it caught my eye: First that figures of child deaths have risen markedly since 2004, which is the year that health visitor numbers started to fall off a cliff (although they did not make that connection). Second, 68% of the cases concerned children aged under four years oldThird, they are recommending a 'compulsory annual visit' by either a health visitor or trained advocate.Read the report at: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/one-child-in-britain-is-killed-like-baby-peter-every-week-1740220.htmlbest wishes Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

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Hi , thanks for this I usually read the Independant but didn't today so good job you did!

I have been hitting my head against a brick wall with dOMESTIC ABUSE AND AND INFORMATION SHARING. i HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTING TO CREATE A MORE PROACTIVE INFO SHARING POLICY BETWEEN HEALTH AND POLICE REGARDING dv.

It was going reasonably well then fell down.

Locally when police attend an incident they have to gain consent for info share , this goes to childrens services . If consent isn't sought (usually the case as officers often don't seek it unless it is obviously a child protection case , ie child injured or witnessed violent attack) Therefore large numbers don't go anywhere.

Indeed I attend our local MARAc which is an adult protection conference for DV, Vicims' children are discussed . Sometimes despite multi agency agreement that the children are at high risk they are not placed under a s47 , child protection procedures .

This is complicated further that when a S17 (Child in need) referral is rec'd by childrens services it is often not actioned further. Managing these cases for HV's is often very stressful .

Obviuosly police will not attend every incident so whilst it appears a one off to police it isn't to the child.

Whitehouse in Worcester has set up and got this share all policy with police. Interestingly she has developed a risk assessment that states if a child calls the police the situation should be considered high risk . I agree.

Unfortunatley as with all areas , locally our police dept are underresourced and child protection in terms of Targets is a low priority (or so it seems) The police in the local family protection unit agreed to a early intervention project , involving universal services and CAF, however due to their limited resources (genuine) it had to be scrapped.

I have resigned myself to obtaining details of pregnant women to share with Universal services. Its a start but very frustarting when you consider the large amount of young children receiving no help. Population Paradox again I guess.

Nicky Stanley is going to release some work for NSPCC regarding what children

"thought " would happen when police attended a DV incident . I hope it shows the stark disparity in terms of what actually happens.

I really feel that the police hold so much essential info regarding families that univerasl services attends that could make a real difference in terms of safeguarding . Unfortunatley I believe this all needs a real shake up and targets and thresholds need to be really looked at hard. Rant over ,Sharm x

From: sarahcowley183@...Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:09:37 +0100Subject: when child deaths are crime

Dear all,

There was an interesting piece in yesterday's Independent, baldly heading child deaths as 'crime,' when talking about children being murdered by their family. It was written to advertise a Dispatches programme on Channel 4, on Tuesday I think.

Three things in it caught my eye:

First that figures of child deaths have risen markedly since 2004, which is the year that health visitor numbers started to fall off a cliff (although they did not make that connection).

Second, 68% of the cases concerned children aged under four years old

Third, they are recommending a 'compulsory annual visit' by either a health visitor or trained advocate.

Read the report at:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/one-child-in-britain-is-killed-like-baby-peter-every-week-1740220.html

best wishes

Cowley

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Well, the programme was advertised as 'hard-hitting,' and it was. I think it was also pretty balanced, identifying the whole range of services other than children's social care that have responsibilities in this field. Obi Amadi spoke well (if briefly) for health visiting, agreeing that the service is too stretched to provide the kind of service that is needed. Above all, the programme gave a voice to bereaved relatives, which was pretty heart breaking to watch. I wonder if there will be any official follow-up?If you missed it, see http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-31/episode-1On 11 Jul 2009, at 19:37, Cowley wrote:Hi SharmanIt will be interesting to see the programme, given that they are saying that the deaths are often 'not social service's fault,' highlighting other service's responsibilities. The Dispatches programme is on Channel 4 at 8pm on Monday, not Tuesday. On 11 Jul 2009, at 19:30, sharman burchell wrote:Hi , thanks for this I usually read the Independant but didn't today so good job you did! I have been hitting my head against a brick wall with dOMESTIC ABUSE AND AND INFORMATION SHARING. i HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTING TO CREATE A MORE PROACTIVE INFO SHARING POLICY BETWEEN HEALTH AND POLICE REGARDING dv. It was going reasonably well then fell down. Locally when police attend an incident they have to gain consent for info share , this goes to childrens services . If consent isn't sought (usually the case as officers often don't seek it unless it is obviously a child protection case , ie child injured or witnessed violent attack) Therefore large numbers don't go anywhere. Indeed I attend our local MARAc which is an adult protection conference for DV, Vicims' children are discussed . Sometimes despite multi agency agreement that the children are at high risk they are not placed under a s47 , child protection procedures . This is complicated further that when a S17 (Child in need) referral is rec'd by childrens services it is often not actioned further. Managing these cases for HV's is often very stressful . Obviuosly police will not attend every incident so whilst it appears a one off to police it isn't to the child. Whitehouse in Worcester has set up and got this share all policy with police. Interestingly she has developed a risk assessment that states if a child calls the police the situation should be considered high risk . I agree. Unfortunatley as with all areas , locally our police dept are underresourced and child protection in terms of Targets is a low priority (or so it seems) The police in the local family protection unit agreed to a early intervention project , involving universal services and CAF, however due to their limited resources (genuine) it had to be scrapped. I have resigned myself to obtaining details of pregnant women to share with Universal services. Its a start but very frustarting when you consider the large amount of young children receiving no help. Population Paradox again I guess. Nicky Stanley is going to release some work for NSPCC regarding what children "thought " would happen when police attended a DV incident . I hope it shows the stark disparity in terms of what actually happens. I really feel that the police hold so much essential info regarding families that univerasl services attends that could make a real difference in terms of safeguarding . Unfortunatley I believe this all needs a real shake up and targets and thresholds need to be really looked at hard. Rant over ,Sharm x From: sarahcowley183btinternetDate: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:09:37 +0100Subject: when child deaths are crimeDear all,There was an interesting piece in yesterday's Independent, baldly heading child deaths as 'crime,' when talking about children being murdered by their family. It was written to advertise a Dispatches programme on Channel 4, on Tuesday I think. Three things in it caught my eye: First that figures of child deaths have risen markedly since 2004, which is the year that health visitor numbers started to fall off a cliff (although they did not make that connection). Second, 68% of the cases concerned children aged under four years oldThird, they are recommending a 'compulsory annual visit' by either a health visitor or trained advocate.Read the report at: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/one-child-in-britain-is-killed-like-baby-peter-every-week-1740220.htmlbest wishes Cowleysarahcowley183btinternethttp://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COnBeyond Hotmail - see what else you can do with Windows Live. Find out more. Cowleysarahcowley183btinternethttp://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

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I too thought it was pretty balanced but

what for me it did show is the need for more communication and the lack of

joined up thinking which comes out of so many SCR and way back form the days of

Caldwell and Jasmine Beckford.

On line there is the report from the

latest biennial analysis of SCR – 156 pages! But there is a good

research brief which shows how the chaotic behaviour of families is mirrored in

professionals and how such professionals require skilled support and guidance

to wade through this and really help these families. I found myself

thinking how does this relate to the FNP as many of these chaotic families

would not qualify but would benefit..

I understand it will be available in hard

copy soon.

Web site for full report is www.dcsf.gov.uk/reseach/ and

the report number is DCSF-RR129

Margaret

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Cowley

Sent: 13 July 2009 23:01

Subject: Re: when

child deaths are crime

Well, the

programme was advertised as 'hard-hitting,' and it was. I think it

was also pretty balanced, identifying the whole range of services other than

children's social care that have responsibilities in this field. Obi

Amadi spoke well (if briefly) for health visiting, agreeing that the service is

too stretched to provide the kind of service that is needed.

Above all, the programme gave a voice to bereaved relatives, which was

pretty heart breaking to watch. I wonder if there will be any official

follow-up?

If you missed it, see http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-31/episode-1

On 11 Jul 2009, at 19:37, Cowley wrote:

Hi Sharman

It will be interesting to see the

programme, given that they are saying that the deaths are often 'not social

service's fault,' highlighting other service's responsibilities.

The Dispatches programme is on

Channel 4 at 8pm on Monday, not Tuesday.

On 11 Jul 2009, at 19:30, sharman

burchell wrote:

Hi , thanks for

this I usually read the Independant but didn't today so good job you did!

I have been hitting my head against a brick wall with dOMESTIC ABUSE AND

AND INFORMATION SHARING. i HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTING TO CREATE A MORE PROACTIVE

INFO SHARING POLICY BETWEEN HEALTH AND POLICE REGARDING dv.

It was going reasonably well then fell down.

Locally when police attend an incident they have to gain conse nt for info

share , this goes to childrens services . If consent isn't sought (usually

the case as officers often don't seek it unless it is obviously a child

protection case , ie child injured or witnessed violent attack) Therefore large

numbers don't go anywhere.

Indeed I attend our local MARAc which is an adult protection conference for DV,

Vicims' children are discussed . Sometimes despite multi agency agreement that

the children are at high risk they are not placed under a s47 , child

protection procedures .

This is complicated further that when a S17 (Child in need) referral is rec'd

by childrens services it is often not actioned further. Managing these

cases for HV's is often very stressful .

Obviuosly police will not attend every incident so whilst it appears a one off

to police it isn't to the child.

Whitehouse in Worcester

has set up and got this share all policy with police. Interestingly she

has developed a risk assessment that states if a child calls the police the

situation should be considered high risk . I agree.

Unfortunatley as with all areas , locally our police dept are underresourced

and child protection in terms of Targets is a low priority (or so it seems) The

police in the local family protection unit agreed to a early intervention

project , involving universal services and CAF, however due to their limited

resources (genuine) it had to be scrapped.

I have resigned myself to obtaining details of pregnant women to share

with Universal services. Its a start but very frustarting when you consider the

large amount of young children receiving no help. Population Paradox again I

guess.

Nicky Stanley

is going to release some work for NSPCC regarding what children

" thought " would happen when police attended a DV incident . I hope

it shows the stark disparity in terms of what actually happens.

I really feel that the police hold so much essential info regarding

families that univerasl services attends that could make a real difference in

terms of safeguarding . Unfortunatley I believe this all needs a real shake up

and targets and thresholds need to be really looked at hard. Rant over ,Sharm x

From: sarahcowley183btinternet

Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:09:37 +0100

Subject: when child deaths are crime

Dear all,

There

was an interesting piece in yesterday's Independent, baldly heading child

deaths as 'crime,' when talking about children being murdered by their family.

It was written to advertise a Dispatches programme on Channel 4,

on Tuesday I think.

Three

things in it caught my eye:

First

that figures of child deaths have risen markedly since 2004, which is the year

that health visitor numbers started to fall off a cliff (although they did not

make that connection).

Second,

68% of the cases concerned children aged under four years old

Third,

they are recommending a 'compulsory annual visit' by either a health visitor or

trained advocate.

Read

the report at:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/one-child-in-britain-is-killed-like-baby-peter-every-week-1740220.html

best

wishes

Cowley

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That sounds interesting Margaret. I remember when I did my research way back and found some evidence about the high percentage of insecure attachments in nurses and my concerns related to the attachment patterns in these families it felt like a minefield! Good therapeutic supervision would be a start. Is that available to HV's doing the Family Nurse Partnership?

Ann

when child deaths are crime

Dear all,

There was an interesting piece in yesterday's Independent, baldly heading child deaths as 'crime,' when talking about children being murdered by their family. It was written to advertise a Dispatches programme on Channel 4, on Tuesday I think.

Three things in it caught my eye:

First that figures of child deaths have risen markedly since 2004, which is the year that health visitor numbers started to fall off a cliff (although they did not make that connection).

Second, 68% of the cases concerned children aged under four years old

Third, they are recommending a 'compulsory annual visit' by either a health visitor or trained advocate.

Read the report at:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/one-child-in-britain-is-killed-like-baby-peter-every-week-1740220.html

best wishes

Cowley

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Hi Ann

I understand it is and is helpful but know

there have been problems with it in places but at least it is recognition that

it is needed.

I spoke to one of the researchers who did

the SCR work last week and he was clear about the needs for good therapeutic

supervision when working with such cases.

Margaret

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Sent: 14 July 2009 08:34

Subject: Re: when

child deaths are crime

That

sounds interesting Margaret. I remember when I did my research way back and

found some evidence about the high percentage of insecure attachments in nurses

and my concerns related to the attachment patterns in these families it felt

like a minefield! Good therapeutic supervision would be a start. Is that

available to HV's doing the Family Nurse Partnership?

Ann

when child deaths are crime

Dear all,

There was an interesting piece in

yesterday's Independent, baldly heading child deaths as 'crime,' when talking

about children being murdered by their family. It was written to

advertise a Dispatches programme on Channel 4, on Tuesday I think.

Three things in it caught my

eye:

First that figures of child deaths have

risen markedly since 2004, which is the year that health visitor numbers

started to fall off a cliff (although they did not make that connection).

Second, 68% of the cases concerned

children aged under four years old

Third, they are recommending a 'compulsory

annual visit' by either a health visitor or trained advocate.

Read the report at:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/one-child-in-britain-is-killed-like-baby-peter-every-week-1740220.html

best wishes

Cowley

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That's good .. although i remain sceptical!

when child deaths are crime

Dear all,

There was an interesting piece in yesterday's Independent, baldly heading child deaths as 'crime,' when talking about children being murdered by their family. It was written to advertise a Dispatches programme on Channel 4, on Tuesday I think.

Three things in it caught my eye:

First that figures of child deaths have risen markedly since 2004, which is the year that health visitor numbers started to fall off a cliff (although they did not make that connection).

Second, 68% of the cases concerned children aged under four years old

Third, they are recommending a 'compulsory annual visit' by either a health visitor or trained advocate.

Read the report at:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/one-child-in-britain-is-killed-like-baby-peter-every-week-1740220.html

best wishes

Cowley

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Hi all , yes the programme was quite tough watching I must admit . new guidance re safeguarding disabled children , who are of course exceptionally vulnerable. regards Sharman p

From: margaret@...Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:16:07 +0100Subject: RE: when child deaths are crime

Hi Ann

I understand it is and is helpful but know there have been problems with it in places but at least it is recognition that it is needed.

I spoke to one of the researchers who did the SCR work last week and he was clear about the needs for good therapeutic supervision when working with such cases.

Margaret

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ann GirlingSent: 14 July 2009 08:34 Subject: Re: when child deaths are crime

That sounds interesting Margaret. I remember when I did my research way back and found some evidence about the high percentage of insecure attachments in nurses and my concerns related to the attachment patterns in these families it felt like a minefield! Good therapeutic supervision would be a start. Is that available to HV's doing the Family Nurse Partnership?

Ann

when child deaths are crime

Dear all,

There was an interesting piece in yesterday's Independent, baldly heading child deaths as 'crime,' when talking about children being murdered by their family. It was written to advertise a Dispatches programme on Channel 4, on Tuesday I think.

Three things in it caught my eye:

First that figures of child deaths have risen markedly since 2004, which is the year that health visitor numbers started to fall off a cliff (although they did not make that connection).

Second, 68% of the cases concerned children aged under four years old

Third, they are recommending a 'compulsory annual visit' by either a health visitor or trained advocate.

Read the report at:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/one-child-in-britain-is-killed-like-baby-peter-every-week-1740220.html

best wishes

Cowley

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