Re: dimethicone, cyclomethicone and Botanisil

[Guest guest]

> Hi, everyone~

> What are people's thoughts on blending with silicones called

> dimethicone, cyclomethicone and Botanisil? One can apparently

> make 'dry' perfume sprays using them. I have received a sample pack

> from Snow Drift Farm. I also wonder if they can be mixed with

> perfumers' alcohol, if anyone knows that. Thanks again.

> Blessings,

> Lyn

Hi there Lyn,

All those materials are silicones, and as such not absorbed by the skin.

They lay themselves on top of it and may prevent it from " breathing " .

Not really natural in my book.

They can be " dry " , but still feel quite greasy to me.

My 2 cents.

Boris

[Guest guest]

Boris wrote:

>

> > Hi, everyone~

> > What are people's thoughts on blending with silicones called

> > dimethicone, cyclomethicone and Botanisil? One can apparently

> > make 'dry' perfume sprays using them. I have received a sample pack

> > from Snow Drift Farm. I also wonder if they can be mixed with

> > perfumers' alcohol, if anyone knows that. Thanks again.

> > Blessings,

> > Lyn

>

> Hi there Lyn,

>

> All those materials are silicones, and as such not absorbed by the skin.

> They lay themselves on top of it and may prevent it from " breathing " .

> Not really natural in my book.

>

> They can be " dry " , but still feel quite greasy to me.

> My 2 cents.

>

Uhhhhhhhh...

Once again, I do not know.....

Are these naturals.....?

They don't sound like it to me...

I could be entirely wrong....

I've seen stuff proposing silicon based life forms on other planets....

But not ours...

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

[Guest guest]

>

> > Hi, everyone~

> > What are people's thoughts on blending with silicones called

> > dimethicone, cyclomethicone and Botanisil? One can apparently

> > make 'dry' perfume sprays using them. >

<Snip>

Hi there Lyn,

>

> All those materials are silicones, and as such not absorbed by the

skin.

> They lay themselves on top of it and may prevent it

from " breathing " .

> Not really natural in my book.

>

> They can be " dry " , but still feel quite greasy to me.

> My 2 cents.

>

> Boris

Thanks so much for your input, Boris. I think I'll just go ahead and

make the same blend in alcohol and in a silicone and see the

difference. A lot of students come through my learning centre so I'll

have a great opportunity to test it on some willing volunteers.

Blessings,

Lyn

>

[Guest guest]

Once again, I do not know.....

Are these naturals.....?

They don't sound like it to me...

I could be entirely wrong....

I've seen stuff proposing silicon based life forms on other planets....

But not ours...

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

Hi,

You are right, of course...they are not natural. That is to say, they are

not derived from living materials. Silicon is a pretty common

element...along with oxygen, it is what makes sand. But, this might not

matter to natural perfumers, if the perfumer's goal is to offer fragrance

which is entirely natural. Delivering natural fragrance in a non-natural

material still delivers a natural fragrance. After all, a fair portion of

perfumery and cosmetic alcohol (ethanol) is non-natural, in that it is not

distilled from plant material but is produced synthetically from ethylene.

The lighter silicones, particlarly cyclomethicone, are clear, colorless,

odorless, and can dissolve most naturals, such as essential oils and

absolutes. They do not go rancid. When used in a blend of natural fixed

oils, say at 10% or less, cyclomethicone improves the " slip " or feel of a

the lotion. As someone said earlier, silicones form an occlusive layer on

the skin, as do natural fixed oils. That is what they are actually intended

to do, so that the skin retains more moisture than it would without the

oils. I doubt that most natural perfumers use cyclomethicone or any other

of the silicones, just as a matter of personal preference if for no other

reason.

Steve Earl

Glen Custom Perfumery

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Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: Re: dimethicone, cyclomethicone and

Botanisil

Boris wrote:

>

> > Hi, everyone~

> > What are people's thoughts on blending with silicones called

> > dimethicone, cyclomethicone and Botanisil? One can apparently

> > make 'dry' perfume sprays using them. I have received a sample pack

> > from Snow Drift Farm. I also wonder if they can be mixed with

> > perfumers' alcohol, if anyone knows that. Thanks again.

> > Blessings,

> > Lyn

>

> Hi there Lyn,

>

> All those materials are silicones, and as such not absorbed by the skin.

> They lay themselves on top of it and may prevent it from " breathing " .

> Not really natural in my book.

>

> They can be " dry " , but still feel quite greasy to me.

> My 2 cents.

>

Uhhhhhhhh...

Once again, I do not know.....

Are these naturals.....?

They don't sound like it to me...

I could be entirely wrong....

I've seen stuff proposing silicon based life forms on other planets....

But not ours...

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

[Guest guest]

So sorry...I missed the snipping on that last post. Won't happen

again...promise

Steve Earl

Glen Custom Perfumery

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[Guest guest]

Steve wrote:

GWB wrote:

> Once again, I do not know.....

> Are these naturals.....?

> They don't sound like it to me...

> I could be entirely wrong....

> I've seen stuff proposing silicon based life forms on other planets....

> But not ours...

>

> Hi,

>

> You are right, of course...they are not natural. That is to say, they are

> not derived from living materials. Silicon is a pretty common

> element...along with oxygen, it is what makes sand. But, this might not

> matter to natural perfumers, if the perfumer's goal is to offer fragrance

> which is entirely natural.

Hi Steve.....

Let me say up front.....

Older AT type here, who doesn't see why NP and AT cannot work

together...

Actually, can't see any reason why they *wouldn't* work together...

> Delivering natural fragrance in a non-natural

> material still delivers a natural fragrance. After all, a fair portion of

> perfumery and cosmetic alcohol (ethanol) is non-natural, in that it is not

> distilled from plant material but is produced synthetically from ethylene.

I dunno about that....I use Everclear....and upon occasion, lesser vodka

type ethanols...

As far as I know....these are distilled from plant materials....

They darn well better be....people party with this stuff...<G>....

The folks that sell perfumer's ethanol, at least from posts on this

list, also distill it from the plant....be it grain or grape based....or

so the sites say...

I have no reason to doubt them....

I have no idea what goes on with the mainstream perfumery and cosmetic

industries in the creation of *their* ethanol...

It probably is the same as far as one can chemically analyze the

stuff...

I wouldn't be surprised, though, if it *was* synthetic.......

I do know, however, that what I use will never be......

It's just my Way.....

> The lighter silicones, particlarly cyclomethicone, are clear, colorless,

> odorless, and can dissolve most naturals, such as essential oils and

> absolutes. They do not go rancid. When used in a blend of natural fixed

> oils, say at 10% or less, cyclomethicone improves the " slip " or feel of a

> the lotion. As someone said earlier, silicones form an occlusive layer on

> the skin, as do natural fixed oils. That is what they are actually intended

> to do, so that the skin retains more moisture than it would without the

> oils. I doubt that most natural perfumers use cyclomethicone or any other

> of the silicones, just as a matter of personal preference if for no other

> reason.

Yeah.....

That would be me....

I wouldn't knock anyone that uses a silcone based anything to get to

where they want to be...as long as they let folks know....

Might even be the superior delivery/retention system....

Just not my Way....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique