Re: ambrette seed source anyone?

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> --- Anya <mccoy@...> wrote:

Hi flowers

Has anyone found a good source for tincturing ambrette

seeds or would you rather use the absolute....specific

to ANya when last year and hlf ago we were talking

about where to get them............

Would someone elaborate on the different source

effects of Ambrette

(a musk plant substitute, moschata)

bb

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At 03:20 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:

> > --- Anya <mccoy@...> wrote:

>

>Hi flowers

>Has anyone found a good source for tincturing ambrette

>seeds or would you rather use the absolute....specific

>to ANya when last year and hlf ago we were talking

>about where to get them............

>Would someone elaborate on the different source

>effects of Ambrette

>(a musk plant substitute, moschata)

>

>bb

Hi bb

I just got in a large order of fresh musk ambrette seeds from the

Fall harvest in India. I have never smelled such aromatic seeds in

all my years of using them. I will be offering them for sale in two

week on my website. I will have dilution rates and lots of

information posted at that time.

I will never buy the absolute, EO or CO2 again since reading in

Arctander that they can go rancid due to the fatty acid in them.

Anya McCoy

Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com

Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org

Natural Perfumers Community Group

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>Anya wrote

>I just got in a large order of fresh musk ambrette seeds from the

>Fall harvest in India. I have never smelled such aromatic seeds in

>all my years of using them. I will be offering them for sale in two

>week on my website. I will have dilution rates and lots of

>information posted at that time.

>

>I will never buy the absolute, EO or CO2 again since reading in

>Arctander that they can go rancid due to the fatty acid in them.

>

Anya, is right. I bought a small bottle of Ambrette seed EO froma very

reliable source, and have not even used it. Within a few months (I stored it

in a cool dark place) I thought it smelled rancid but at that time thought

that it was my nose. I now know.

Anya, how much are you seling your ambrette seeds for? I would like to buy a

small amount. What is the shelf life in seed form?

Poh Yee

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>

> I just got in a large order of fresh musk ambrette seeds from the

> Fall harvest in India. I have never smelled such aromatic seeds in

> all my years of using them. I will be offering them for sale in two

> week on my website. I will have dilution rates and lots of

> information posted at that time.

>

> I will never buy the absolute, EO or CO2 again since reading in

> Arctander that they can go rancid due to the fatty acid in them.

>

>

The seeds are nice for tincturing, but the EO can be stored in the

fridge, or if you are using it to make alcohol based perfumes, a small

amount of alcohol will preserve it.

I have completely outgrown the fridge that I purchased last year for

storing eo's and absolutes (seeds and herbs too). I use it for just

about everything. My next big purchase will be a restaurant style

fridge with clear glass front doors. Hopefully I can find a good used

one at a reasonable cost.

I may get some of those seeds though Anya... Sounds like you have a

fresh batch. Are they organic, or do you know of an organic source.

Best, Zz....

Liz Zorn Perfume

http://www.lizzorn.com

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> I will never buy the absolute, EO or CO2 again since reading in

> Arctander that they can go rancid due to the fatty acid in them.

> Anya McCoy

Ciao Anya,

I have some ambrette EO in the fridge and some concrete out of the fridge

for over 10 years and it has not changed sensibly.

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>

> The seeds are nice for tincturing, but the EO can be stored in the

> fridge, or if you are using it to make alcohol based perfumes, a small

> amount of alcohol will preserve it.

> I have completely outgrown the fridge that I purchased last year for

> storing eo's and absolutes (seeds and herbs too). I use it for just

> about everything. My next big purchase will be a restaurant style

> fridge with clear glass front doors. Hopefully I can find a good used

> one at a reasonable cost.

> I may get some of those seeds though Anya... Sounds like you have a

> fresh batch. Are they organic, or do you know of an organic source.

> Best, Zz....

> Liz Zorn Perfume

> http://www.lizzorn.com

>

Zz, we have one of those big glass door refrigerators from an auction.

It wasn't cheap, since these are in high demand, but by far cheaper

then new. I love it. However, they do make a very noticable difference

in your electric bill, towards UP.

Business liquidation auctions seem to be the best.

Best of luck, ne

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>--- Anya <mccoy@...> wrote:

>I just got in a large order of fresh musk ambrette seeds from the

>Fall harvest in India. I have never smelled such aromatic seeds in

>all my years of using them. I will be offering them for sale in two

>week on my website. I will have dilution rates and lots of

>information posted at that time.

>I will never buy the absolute, EO or CO2 again since reading in

>Arctander that they can go rancid due to the fatty acid in them.

Dear Anya,

On page 59 of Arctander, under the heading, " Ambrette Seed Oil " , he says,

" The oil should be stored in a 50% or 10% alcoholic solution at reduced

temperature in order to prevent the appearance of rancid notes due to a

possible decomposition of traces of fatty oils and acids in the essential

oil (or in the absolute). "

I also am interested in tincturing some of your fresh ambrette seeds from

India. On page 60 of Arctander, under the heading " Ambrette Seed Tincture "

he says, " The tincture is produced by maceration of the crushed ambrette

seeds in ethyl alcohol of 80% to 90% strength. The conventional proportion

is 25 parts of seeds to 100 parts of diluted alcohol. "

Mark

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At 07:41 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:

> >--- Anya <mccoy@...> wrote:

>

> >I just got in a large order of fresh musk ambrette seeds from the

> >Fall harvest in India. I have never smelled such aromatic seeds in

> >all my years of using them. I will be offering them for sale in two

> >week on my website. I will have dilution rates and lots of

> >information posted at that time.

>

> >I will never buy the absolute, EO or CO2 again since reading in

> >Arctander that they can go rancid due to the fatty acid in them.

>

>Dear Anya,

>

>On page 59 of Arctander, under the heading, " Ambrette Seed Oil " , he says,

> " The oil should be stored in a 50% or 10% alcoholic solution at reduced

>temperature in order to prevent the appearance of rancid notes due to a

>possible decomposition of traces of fatty oils and acids in the essential

>oil (or in the absolute). "

Yes, that's where I got the information.

>I also am interested in tincturing some of your fresh ambrette seeds from

>India. On page 60 of Arctander, under the heading " Ambrette Seed Tincture "

>he says, " The tincture is produced by maceration of the crushed ambrette

>seeds in ethyl alcohol of 80% to 90% strength. The conventional proportion

>is 25 parts of seeds to 100 parts of diluted alcohol. "

And that's where I got the rest :-) On p. 60 he also discusses the

adulteration with synthetic Ambrettolida or similar macrycyclic

lactones, and with farnesol, etc., saying it is " not infrequent " .

That's why I'm happy to use the seeds, knowing it's from the source.

bb, poh yee, the sale will be announced here on a Thursday, with all

the details. Salaam, ZZ, it's great that yours hasn't turned, I'm

sure the refrigeration helped, and mine hasn't, either, due to my

using alcohol re: Arctander's help. The seed tincture will be helpful

for soapers and those who create oil-based or solid perfumes, in that

they can stir the tincture into jojoba or another oil, allow the

alcohol to evaporate, and the scent will be left behind, and not go

rancid. Salaam, ZZ, if you used the ambrette EO or abs in an oil or

solid perfume, chances are (according to Arctander), it might go

rancid, and that's what I'm looking to avoid. Plus, I just find it

groovy to crush and tincture botanicals, as you know ;-) so this

really appeals to me.

Anya McCoy

Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com

Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org

Natural Perfumers Community Group

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Yes, the cost of those babies (even used) is not

cheap. We will be replacing our kitchen fridge soon

and I am going with the glass front Sub Zero (just

love it). Right now my husband is recovering from the

sticker shock of the bathroom fixtures that i picked

out last week for our currently in progress bathroom

remodel...

It is looking more like we will be adding a new

storage building sometime this year. Right now my art

and recording studio's are doing double duty for

perfumery supplies.

Zz........

Liz Zorn Perfume

Artisan and Natural Fragrance

http://www.lizzorn.com

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> >

> > >I just got in a large order of fresh musk ambrette seeds from the

> > >Fall harvest in India. I have never smelled such aromatic seeds in

> > >all my years of using them. I will be offering them for sale in two

> > >week on my website. I will have dilution rates and lots of

> > >information posted at that time.

Hi Anya, I'd love some fresh ambrette seeds, and will eagerly look

forward to them on your site.

Are the seeds viable? Could I plant some in the garden too? Thanks:).

Helen