Re: oakmoss now musk alternatives

January 15, 2007

cgb4873 <cgb4873@...> wrote: Is there a substitute for using oakmoss

oil? I would like to make a

musky type perfume but everything I have come across uses oakmoss.

Thanks a bunch.

Christie

try Ambrette. It is from the seeds of the Hibiscus AbelmoschusL. and is musky

like or even clary sage. There is something called Iva which is supposed to be

intensely musky. I have never tried it.... coming from leaves and flowers of

Musk Yarrow (Achillea moschata -I have the millefolium variety which is

intensely blue) same with sea holly which is the roots of the Eryngo (Eryngium

campestre L.) - again no experience with that one .... the elusive sumbul root

which Anya is still looking for (the oil) and is also sweet and musky.

With any of the above............experiment and see if the notes they give is

what you are looking for....also to establish if they join well with the oils

you are using or whether they oppose or jar .I would try tincturing them down

first as some are extremely tenaceous and may overshadow what you are trying to

do...

best

Janita

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January 16, 2007

Thanks guys for the info. I really love the musky scents and I am having a hard

time getting it. I will find a place to order a small amount of oakmoss and try

it. Wish me luck.

Christie

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January 16, 2007

Hi guys,

Let me say I am overwhelmed with info. It's amazing the depth that I

find in this group.

Can anyone tell me what a single drop is? Is that one ml? Is there a

standard dropper to dispense a standard drop.

I tried to go out and determine a standard drop the other day by

measuring the average raindrop during a storm. I wasn't too

successful however.

Just kidding, I wanted to add a drop of levity to the discussion.

Also what is the species name of oakmoss in latin? I am pretty good

in the woods and can find some if it grows anywhere on the east

coast.

Also if anyone is looking for a specific plant or mushroom for

tincturing or effleurage, and you know that it grows in North

Carolina or southern New England, let me know what you are looking

for and I will try to get it. I am extremely environmentally

sensitive and have a MS degree in biological sciences so I can do

this without harming native populations or running afoul of the law.

Thanks,

Rob

January 16, 2007

>

> Hi guys,

>

> Let me say I am overwhelmed with info. It's amazing the depth that I

> find in this group.

>

> Can anyone tell me what a single drop is? Is that one ml? Is there a

> standard dropper to dispense a standard drop.

>

There is no standard drop - it's not a scientific measurement. I ml of essential

oil is

equivalent to 20-40 drops, depending on the viscosity and specific gravity of

the essential

oil and the type of dropper. Pasteur pipettes dispense much smaller drops

though.

> I tried to go out and determine a standard drop the other day by

> measuring the average raindrop during a storm. I wasn't too

> successful however.

>

> Just kidding, I wanted to add a drop of levity to the discussion.

>

> Also what is the species name of oakmoss in latin? I am pretty good

> in the woods and can find some if it grows anywhere on the east

> coast.

>

Evernia prunastri L.

> Also if anyone is looking for a specific plant or mushroom for

> tincturing or effleurage, and you know that it grows in North

> Carolina or southern New England, let me know what you are looking

> for and I will try to get it. I am extremely environmentally

> sensitive and have a MS degree in biological sciences so I can do

> this without harming native populations or running afoul of the law.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Rob

>

OK, let me get this straight - your degree in biological sciences has given you

a special

capability to avoid certain people in uniform? Did you learn to use use plants

as

camouflage and how not to step on twigs? Or are you saying you know what not to

pick so

you don't get arrested? And the native populations you're not going to harm, I

wonder why

these are specifically the populations of N. Carolina and southern New England?

Tisserand

January 17, 2007

>> OK, let me get this straight - your degree in biological sciences

has given you a special

> capability to avoid certain people in uniform? Did you learn to use

use plants as

> camouflage and how not to step on twigs? Or are you saying you know

what not to pick so

> you don't get arrested? And the native populations you're not going

to harm, I wonder why

> these are specifically the populations of N. Carolina and southern

New England?

>

> Tisserand

Jeez let me clarify, I have over 20 years of experience doing plant

surveys and agricultural consultancies in different parts of the

world. So I don't go out in the woods and just try to find a plant

population to decimate. Avoiding the guys in uniform would, at any

gien time, mean avoiding people like myself. Rather, I try to work

with the people whose job it is to protect plant populations. Find out

what plants are not threatened and then harvest a portion of those

plants.

One of the problems on a global basis is that many plants are being

lost to society, both modern and traditional ones, due to increased

population pressure on ecosystems. For example, less than 5 percent of

of the trees that are cut down in the tropics are ever utilized for

lumber. Most of that wood is just simply burnt and left to rot and go

back into the soil. That is not a bad system as long as the

surrounding forest is allowed to reestablish itself. It is, sad to

say, not the case with increasing population pressure. Large scale

commercial agriculture is also contributing to this problem. But to a

a person living in these areas if the forest is not going to provide

them a living than it needs to be cleared so that a family, town,

state, country, etc... can survive another year.

If however there are high value plants that grow in these native

forests than it is possible to identify the plants, identify their

uses (and hence their markets), and then either cultivate them in the

wild or use the wild population to form a source of plant material

that can be cultivated on land already under commercial agriculture.

Hopefully it will be a crop that will have enough value to provide the

farmer with cash for extra food, school books and uniforms for his/her

kids and maybe an internet connection so that they can join internet

groups such as this one rather than swing a machete in snake infested

brush for 8 hours a day.

North Carolina and Southern New England is mostly where I hang. Thanks

guys.

Rob

>

January 17, 2007