Re: Re: CHRE report on NMC

June 16, 2008

Thank you Toity. I hope others will contact him. It is a situation taht seems qute complex to anyone not involved in it. I am not entirely sure that the CHRE really understands why we have lost confidence in the NMC, although the report recognises that we have, so anything that help explain it to the public out there is helpful. Unfortunately, it suggests the NMC did not understand the legislation whereas many of us think it is currently misinterpreting the legislation. is right, too, this is really grim reading, particularly because it almost seems to suggest that they were unaware of the extent of difficulties and distress they were causing, since they are only now addressing the shortcomings. Those of us on the SCPHN part of the register know all about that; it means being told 'you are the problem' all the time, instead of a) any recognition that we have been trying to get the organisation to function in a way that regulates our profession properly, and ( that we shouldn't have to keep harping on and complaining about issues, because they should have been sorted. Worrying to me, as well, is the fact that ministers (so presumably their civil servants/advisers) were told about the difficulties a year ago, but nothing was done until one Council member went to her MP (Jim Devine) who raised the issues in the House. That'll be the same advisers that tell ministers that health visitors are just making a fuss and being protectionist, I suppose. But I guess it is good to know that our democratic system works, to the extent that contacting our local MPs seems to be the way to go.Does anyone know if Ben Bradshaw (minister concerned) has made a statement to the House yet? On 16 Jun 2008, at 13:23, toitydeave wrote:I have just been speaking to a member of the NMC who has been airingtheir concerns about the structures etc. She has informed me that theNursing Standard are going to press today with an article on this. Shehad seen my experience of registration on Senate and was keen for meto contact the Nursing Standard, especially in light of the CHREreport out today and that we should use this time to go public. I didso, sort of reluctantly, and they are in the process of going to pressas I write. The journalist (Colin Parish: 0208 872 3145,colin.parishrcnpublishing (DOT) co.uk) was very keen to talk but not today!I am sure he would be interested in talking to anyone who would liketo take this avenue to publicise their concerns.Good luck for tomorrow, .b/wToity>> Thanks for this - it is interesting in the light of theconversations that have been going on on SENATE - maybe we all need tohave a think about how we address this concern and also see whir theCHRE is to do.> > Margaret > CHRE report on NMC> > > > The report of the Commission for Healthcare Regulatory Excellencehave > released the report about the NMC,which was commissioned in March by > minister Ben Bradshaw. It concludes that> 'This CHRE performance review concludes that the NMC is carrying out > its statutory functions but fails to fulfil these to the standard of > performance that the public has the right to expect of a regulator. > The NMC maintains a register, takes action when a registrant?sfitness > to practise is called into doubt, assures the quality of professional > education, and sets and issues standards and guidance for the nursing > and midwifery professions. These> are the basic functions of a regulator. However, there are serious > weaknesses in the NMC?s governance and culture, in the conduct of its > Council, in its ability to protect the interests of the publicthrough > the operation of fitness to practise processes and in its bility to > retain the confidence of key stakeholders.'> > Clearly we all have an interest in teh whole functioning of this > organsiation, but it is that last phrase that is of most interest to > those of us who are on the third part of the NMC register.> Press release and report attached, or they can be downloaded from > www.chre.org.uk> > > > -- > Professor Cowley> Head of Public Health and Health Services Research Section> Florence Nightingale School of Nursing and Midwifery> King's College London> 5th floor, Waterloo Bridge Wing, lin Wilkins Building> 150 Stamford Street> London SE1 9NH> T: 020 7848 3030 (p.a. Caroline ex 3023)> F: 020 7848 3764> E: sarah.cowley@...> http://www.kcl.ac.uk/nursing/research/women.html> sarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn

June 17, 2008

Ben Bradshaw called for the resignation of the CE and President

and they have announced their intention to do so. The VP hasn't

resigned; Jim Devine defended that on the grounds that she had

raised the issues in the first place.

I'm feeling a bit cautious as I've only skimmed the CHRE report but

see that it refers to factional interests. I hope that HV isn't

perceived as a 'faction'.

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Thank you Toity. I hope others will contact him. It is a situation

taht seems qute complex to anyone not involved in it. I am not

entirely sure that the CHRE really understands why we have lost

confidence in the NMC, although the report recognises that we have,

so anything that help explain it to the public out there is helpful.

Unfortunately, it suggests the NMC did not understand the legislation

whereas many of us think it is currently misinterpreting the

legislation.

is right, too, this is really grim reading, particularly

because it almost seems to suggest that they were unaware of the

extent of difficulties and distress they were causing, since they are

only now addressing the shortcomings. Those of us on the SCPHN part

of the register know all about that; it means being told 'you are the

problem' all the time, instead of a) any recognition that we have

been trying to get the organisation to function in a way that

regulates our profession properly, and ( that we shouldn't have to

keep harping on and complaining about issues, because they should

have been sorted. Worrying to me, as well, is the fact that

ministers (so presumably their civil servants/advisers) were told

about the difficulties a year ago, but nothing was done until one

Council member went to her MP (Jim Devine) who raised the issues in

the House. That'll be the same advisers that tell ministers that

health visitors are just making a fuss and being protectionist, I

suppose. But I guess it is good to know that our democratic system

works, to the extent that contacting our local MPs seems to be the

way to go.

Does anyone know if Ben Bradshaw (minister concerned) has made a

statement to the House yet?

On 16 Jun 2008, at 13:23, toitydeave wrote:

> I have just been speaking to a member of the NMC who has been airing

> their concerns about the structures etc. She has informed me that the

> Nursing Standard are going to press today with an article on this. She

> had seen my experience of registration on Senate and was keen for me

> to contact the Nursing Standard, especially in light of the CHRE

> report out today and that we should use this time to go public. I did

> so, sort of reluctantly, and they are in the process of going to press

> as I write. The journalist (Colin Parish: 0208 872 3145,

> colin.parish@...) was very keen to talk but not today!

> I am sure he would be interested in talking to anyone who would like

> to take this avenue to publicise their concerns.

>

> Good luck for tomorrow, .

>

> b/w

> Toity

>

> >

> > Thanks for this - it is interesting in the light of the

> conversations that have been going on on SENATE - maybe we all need to

> have a think about how we address this concern and also see whir the

> CHRE is to do.

> >

> > Margaret

> > CHRE report on NMC

> >

> > The report of the Commission for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence

> have

> > released the report about the NMC,which was commissioned in March by

> > minister Ben Bradshaw. It concludes that

> > 'This CHRE performance review concludes that the NMC is carrying out

> > its statutory functions but fails to fulfil these to the standard of

> > performance that the public has the right to expect of a regulator.

> > The NMC maintains a register, takes action when a registrant?s

> fitness

> > to practise is called into doubt, assures the quality of

> professional

> > education, and sets and issues standards and guidance for the

> nursing

> > and midwifery professions. These

> > are the basic functions of a regulator. However, there are serious

> > weaknesses in the NMC?s governance and culture, in the conduct of

> its

> > Council, in its ability to protect the interests of the public

> through

> > the operation of fitness to practise processes and in its bility to

> > retain the confidence of key stakeholders.'

> >

> > Clearly we all have an interest in teh whole functioning of this

> > organsiation, but it is that last phrase that is of most interest to

> > those of us who are on the third part of the NMC register.

> > Press release and report attached, or they can be downloaded from

> > www.chre.org.uk

> >

> > --

> > Professor Cowley

> > Head of Public Health and Health Services Research Section

> > Florence Nightingale School of Nursing and Midwifery

> > King's College London

> > 5th floor, Waterloo Bridge Wing, lin Wilkins Building

> > 150 Stamford Street

> > London SE1 9NH

> > T: 020 7848 3030 (p.a. Caroline ex 3023)

> > F: 020 7848 3764

> > E: sarah.cowley@...

> > http://www.kcl.ac.uk/nursing/research/women.html

> >

>

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020 8331 9150

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June 17, 2008

I am finding this really interesting and the call and subsequent resignations are very interesting.

I plan to read the report in detail tomorrow when I am away and not linked to the computer and so like you Liz will feel more able to respond then.

We could see the factions as those who are against health visiting rather than those on part 3 of the register themselves. But history may suggest it will be HV that are blamed!!! It is a pity who asked this question is not able at present to view and access - when I speak with her later in the week - will let her know.

I have to say though that if we take nursing as a whole - I feel concerned that it has allowed itself to get to this point. I know from conversations with previous Presidents and their comments, what a difficult position they hold and would like to ask what responsibility the Department of Health hold in the way things have developed and panned put. Was anything said about this?

Margaret

CHRE report on NMC> >> >> >> > The report of the Commission for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence> have> > released the report about the NMC,which was commissioned in March by> > minister Ben Bradshaw. It concludes that> > 'This CHRE performance review concludes that the NMC is carrying out> > its statutory functions but fails to fulfil these to the standard of> > performance that the public has the right to expect of a regulator.> > The NMC maintains a register, takes action when a registrant?s> fitness> > to practise is called into doubt, assures the quality of > professional> > education, and sets and issues standards and guidance for the > nursing> > and midwifery professions. These> > are the basic functions of a regulator. However, there are serious> > weaknesses in the NMC?s governance and culture, in the conduct of > its> > Council, in its ability to protect the interests of the public> through> > the operation of fitness to practise processes and in its bility to> > retain the confidence of key stakeholders.'> >> > Clearly we all have an interest in teh whole functioning of this> > organsiation, but it is that last phrase that is of most interest to> > those of us who are on the third part of the NMC register.> > Press release and report attached, or they can be downloaded from> > www.chre.org.uk> >> > > >> > --> > Professor Cowley> > Head of Public Health and Health Services Research Section> > Florence Nightingale School of Nursing and Midwifery> > King's College London> > 5th floor, Waterloo Bridge Wing, lin Wilkins Building> > 150 Stamford Street> > London SE1 9NH> > T: 020 7848 3030 (p.a. Caroline ex 3023)> > F: 020 7848 3764> > E: sarah.cowley@...> > http://www.kcl.ac.uk/nursing/research/women.html> >>>> sarahcowley183btinternet http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COnProfessor Liz MeerabeauHead of the School of Health and Social CareUniversity of GreenwichAvery Hill CampusSouthwood SiteAvery Hill RoadLondon SE9 2UG020 8331 9150020 8331 8060 (fax)E.Meerabeaugreenwich (DOT) ac.ukUniversity of Greenwich, a charity and company limited by guarantee,registered in England (reg no. 986729). Registered Office: Old RoyalNaval College, Park Row, Greenwich SE10 9LS.

June 17, 2008

margaret liz.

The problem at the NMC is another example of a brutulist culture in the nursing profession. Most of us have come up against it in a range of nursing settings. It contrasts sharply with the image the nursing inner circle likes to cultivate of care and compassion. Behind that brutulist culture is a corruption which keeps a tight inner circle, expert in self preservation at the top. They often play professional musical chairs RCN to DOH to NMC to director of nursing somewhere to visiting professor to non executive chair of some health related quango. Does it matter, probably, Is this just a paranoid conspiracy theory no but nursing is not the financial sector threatening the economy or a threat to national security therefore there is unlikely to be a public debate. It is intersting though how may medicore lower middle class white nurses have have done very nicely thank you mary

CHRE report on NMC> >> >> >> > The report of the Commission for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence> have> > released the report about the NMC,which was commissioned in March by> > minister Ben Bradshaw. It concludes that> > 'This CHRE performance review concludes that the NMC is carrying out> > its statutory functions but fails to fulfil these to the standard of> > performance that the public has the right to expect of a regulator.> > The NMC maintains a register, takes action when a registrant?s> fitness> > to practise is called into doubt, assures the quality of > professional> > education, and sets and issues standards and guidance for the > nursing> > and midwifery professions. These> > are the basic functions of a regulator. However, there are serious> > weaknesses in the NMC?s governance and culture, in the conduct of > its> > Council, in its ability to protect the interests of the public> through> > the operation of fitness to practise processes and in its bility to> > retain the confidence of key stakeholders.'> >> > Clearly we all have an interest in teh whole functioning of this> > organsiation, but it is that last phrase that is of most interest to> > those of us who are on the third part of the NMC register.> > Press release and report attached, or they can be downloaded from> > www.chre.org.uk> >> > > >> > --> > Professor Cowley> > Head of Public Health and Health Services Research Section> > Florence Nightingale School of Nursing and Midwifery> > King's College London> > 5th floor, Waterloo Bridge Wing, lin Wilkins Building> > 150 Stamford Street> > London SE1 9NH> > T: 020 7848 3030 (p.a. Caroline ex 3023)> > F: 020 7848 3764> > E: sarah.cowley@...> > http://www.kcl.ac.uk/nursing/research/women.html> >>>> sarahcowley183btinternet http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COnProfessor Liz MeerabeauHead of the School of Health and Social CareUniversity of GreenwichAvery Hill CampusSouthwood SiteAvery Hill RoadLondon SE9 2UG020 8331 9150020 8331 8060 (fax)E.Meerabeaugreenwich (DOT) ac.ukUniversity of Greenwich, a charity and company limited by guarantee,registered in England (reg no. 986729). Registered Office: Old RoyalNaval College, Park Row, Greenwich SE10 9LS.

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June 17, 2008

My Goodness !What a relief to read such an honest example of where we are at, i have been deemed too out spoken by many peers, yet my instincts have always been in 28 years exactly what you have said and more!When my energies from experiencing personally just what you describe at local level, I will inform and write of all of this. For now I will do my little bit to maintain integrity from the field on which I walk, play and practice as a professional. I will never be afraid to challenge the wrong, the culture and the gross lack of integrity people and organisations have. Margaret Holtz CHRE report on NMC> >> >> >> > The report of the Commission for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence> have> > released the report about the NMC,which was commissioned in March by> > minister Ben Bradshaw. It concludes that> > 'This CHRE performance review concludes that the NMC is carrying out> > its statutory functions but fails to fulfil these to the standard of> > performance that the public has the right to expect of a regulator.> > The NMC maintains a register, takes action when a registrant?s> fitness> > to practise is called into doubt, assures the quality of > professional> > education, and sets and issues standards and guidance for the > nursing> > and midwifery professions. These> > are the basic functions of a regulator. However, there are serious> > weaknesses in the NMC?s governance and culture, in the conduct of > its> > Council, in its ability to protect the interests of the public> through> > the operation of fitness to practise processes and in its bility to> > retain the confidence of key stakeholders. '> >> > Clearly we all have an interest in teh whole functioning of this> > organsiation, but it is that last phrase that is of most interest to> > those of us who are on the third part of the NMC register.> > Press release and report attached, or they can be downloaded from> > www.chre.org. uk> >> > > >> > --> > Professor Cowley> > Head of Public Health and Health Services Research Section> > Florence Nightingale School of Nursing and Midwifery> > King's College London> > 5th floor, Waterloo Bridge Wing, lin Wilkins Building> > 150 Stamford Street> > London SE1 9NH> > T: 020 7848 3030 (p.a. Caroline ex 3023)> > F: 020 7848 3764> > E: sarah.cowley@ ...> > http://www.kcl. ac.uk/nursing/ research/ women.html> >>>> sarahcowley183@ btinternet. comhttp://myprofile. cos.com/S124021C OnProfessor Liz MeerabeauHead of the School of Health and Social CareUniversity of GreenwichAvery Hill CampusSouthwood SiteAvery Hill RoadLondon SE9 2UG020 8331 9150020 8331 8060 (fax)E.Meerabeau@ greenwich. ac.ukUniversity of Greenwich, a charity and company limited by guarantee,registered in England (reg no. 986729). Registered Office: Old RoyalNaval College, Park Row, Greenwich SE10 9LS. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.3.0/1505 - Release Date: 16/06/2008 07:20

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My reading of the report last night is that CHRE accepts DH's

interpretation of the legislation, and considers that sectional (I used

the wrong word) interests pressured the NMC to accept a different

interpretation, with registration on solely the third part of the

register. That indicates to me that the CHRE may construe the

public protection issue as being the importance of HVs maintaining

their nursing registration, not that HV is not nursing and that HV

currently isn't properly regulated.

Cheryll, I'd be really interested in your views on this, and whether

you feel that Harry Cayton (CHRE) has been fully briefed on the HV

issue.

< >

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margaret liz.

The problem at the NMC is another example of a brutulist culture in the nursing

profession. Most of us have come up against it in a range of nursing settings.

It contrasts sharply with the image the nursing inner circle likes to cultivate

of care and compassion. Behind that brutulist culture is

a corruption which keeps a tight inner circle, expert in self preservation at

the top. They often play professional musical chairs RCN to DOH to NMC to

director of nursing somewhere to visiting professor to non executive chair of

some health related quango. Does it matter, probably, Is this just

a paranoid conspiracy theory no but nursing is not the financial sector

threatening the economy or a threat to national security therefore there is

unlikely to be a public debate. It is intersting though how may medicore lower

middle class white nurses have have done very nicely thank you mary

CHRE report on NMC

> >

> > The report of the Commission for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence

> have

> > released the report about the NMC,which was commissioned in March by

> > minister Ben Bradshaw. It concludes that

> > 'This CHRE performance review concludes that the NMC is carrying out

> > its statutory functions but fails to fulfil these to the standard of

> > performance that the public has the right to expect of a regulator.

> > The NMC maintains a register, takes action when a registrant?s

> fitness

> > to practise is called into doubt, assures the quality of

> professional

> > education, and sets and issues standards and guidance for the

> nursing

> > and midwifery professions. These

> > are the basic functions of a regulator. However, there are serious

> > weaknesses in the NMC?s governance and culture, in the conduct of

> its

> > Council, in its ability to protect the interests of the public

> through

> > the operation of fitness to practise processes and in its bility to

> > retain the confidence of key stakeholders.'

> >

> > Clearly we all have an interest in teh whole functioning of this

> > organsiation, but it is that last phrase that is of most interest to

> > those of us who are on the third part of the NMC register.

> > Press release and report attached, or they can be downloaded from

> > www.chre.org.uk

> >

> > --

> > Professor Cowley

> > Head of Public Health and Health Services Research Section

> > Florence Nightingale School of Nursing and Midwifery

> > King's College London

> > 5th floor, Waterloo Bridge Wing, lin Wilkins Building

> > 150 Stamford Street

> > London SE1 9NH

> > T: 020 7848 3030 (p.a. Caroline ex 3023)

> > F: 020 7848 3764

> > E: sarah.cowley@...

> > http://www.kcl.ac.uk/nursing/research/women.html

> >

>

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Head of the School of Health and Social Care

University of Greenwich

Avery Hill Campus

Southwood Site

Avery Hill Road

London SE9 2UG

020 8331 9150

020 8331 8060 (fax)

E.Meerabeau@...

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Naval College, Park Row, Greenwich SE10 9LS.

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Professor Liz Meerabeau

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Avery Hill Campus

Southwood Site

Avery Hill Road

London SE9 2UG

020 8331 9150

020 8331 8060 (fax)

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University of Greenwich, a charity and company limited by guarantee,

registered in England (reg no. 986729). Registered Office: Old Royal

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June 18, 2008

Yes he has Liz we had a conversation yesterday as I was equally concerned by the paragraph I am sure you are referring to. I hope he fully understands health visitors fitness for practice concerns now. I am sure that it has been helpful though that others have been raising them independently of the cphva. Always good to have a fresh voice on important issues.Best wishesCheryllFrom: ; Sent: Wed Jun 18 11:50:08 2008Subject: Re: Re: CHRE report on NMCMy reading of the report last night is that CHRE accepts DH's interpretation of the legislation, and considers that sectional (I used the wrong word) interests pressured the NMC to accept a different interpretation, with registration on solely the third part of the register. That indicates to me that the CHRE may construe the public protection issue as being the importance of HVs maintaining their nursing registration, not that HV is not nursing and that HV currently isn't properly regulated.Cheryll, I'd be really interested in your views on this, and whether you feel that Harry Cayton (CHRE) has been fully briefed on the HV issue.< >From: " Daly " <m_dalybtconnect>Date sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:53:16 +0100Send reply to: Subject: Re: Re: CHRE report on NMC[ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] margaret liz.The problem at the NMC is another example of a brutulist culture in the nursing profession. Most of us have come up against it in a range of nursing settings. It contrasts sharply with the image the nursing inner circle likes to cultivate of care and compassion. Behind that brutulist culture is a corruption which keeps a tight inner circle, expert in self preservation at the top. They often play professional musical chairs RCN to DOH to NMC to director of nursing somewhere to visiting professor to non executive chair of some health related quango. Does it matter, probably, Is this just a paranoid conspiracy theory no but nursing is not the financial sector threatening the economy or a threat to national security therefore there is unlikely to be a public debate. It is intersting though how may medicore lower middle class white nurses have have done very nicely thank you mary CHRE report on NMC> >> >> >> > The report of the Commission for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence> have> > released the report about the NMC,which was commissioned in March by> > minister Ben Bradshaw. It concludes that> > 'This CHRE performance review concludes that the NMC is carrying out> > its statutory functions but fails to fulfil these to the standard of> > performance that the public has the right to expect of a regulator.> > The NMC maintains a register, takes action when a registrant?s> fitness> > to practise is called into doubt, assures the quality of > professional> > education, and sets and issues standards and guidance for the > nursing> > and midwifery professions. These> > are the basic functions of a regulator. However, there are serious> > weaknesses in the NMC?s governance and culture, in the conduct of > its> > Council, in its ability to protect the interests of the public> through> > the operation of fitness to practise processes and in its bility to> > retain the confidence of key stakeholders.'> >> > Clearly we all have an interest in teh whole functioning of this> > organsiation, but it is that last phrase that is of most interest to> > those of us who are on the third part of the NMC register.> > Press release and report attached, or they can be downloaded from> > www.chre.org.uk> >> > > >> > --> > Professor Cowley> > Head of Public Health and Health Services Research Section> > Florence Nightingale School of Nursing and Midwifery> > King's College London> > 5th floor, Waterloo Bridge Wing, lin Wilkins Building> > 150 Stamford Street> > London SE1 9NH> > T: 020 7848 3030 (p.a. Caroline ex 3023)> > F: 020 7848 3764> > E: sarah.cowley@...> > http://www.kcl.ac.uk/nursing/research/women.html> >>>> sarahcowley183btinternet http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COnProfessor Liz MeerabeauHead of the School of Health and Social CareUniversity of GreenwichAvery Hill CampusSouthwood SiteAvery Hill RoadLondon SE9 2UG020 8331 9150020 8331 8060 (fax)E.Meerabeaugreenwich (DOT) ac.ukUniversity of Greenwich, a charity and company limited by guarantee,registered in England (reg no. 986729). Registered Office: Old RoyalNaval College, Park Row, Greenwich SE10 9LS.----------------------------------------------------------No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. 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June 19, 2008

I was thinking that perhaps SENATE should

write to him and raise the issues that were discussed last week here – what do

others think

Margaret

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Sent: 18 June 2008 18:23

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CHRE report on NMC

Yes he has Liz we had a conversation yesterday as I was

equally concerned by the paragraph I am sure you are referring to. I hope he

fully understands health visitors fitness for practice concerns now.

I am sure that it has been helpful though that others have been raising them

independently of the cphva. Always good to have a fresh voice on important

issues.

Best wishes

Cheryll

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Sent: Wed Jun 18 11:50:08

2008

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CHRE report on NMC

My

reading of the report last night is that CHRE accepts DH's

interpretation of the legislation, and considers that sectional (I used

the wrong word) interests pressured the NMC to accept a different

interpretation, with registration on solely the third part of the

register. That indicates to me that the CHRE may construe the

public protection issue as being the importance of HVs maintaining

their nursing registration, not that HV is not nursing and that HV

currently isn't properly regulated.

Cheryll, I'd be really interested in your views on this, and whether

you feel that Harry Cayton (CHRE) has been fully briefed on the HV

issue.

< >

From: " Daly " <m_dalybtconnect>