Re: Antigens, Antibodies, Infection - CONFUSED

[Guest guest]

Here is more information to add to the confusion: author and

researcher, Doug Kaufmans' story. Here he says he had systemic

fungal infection and treating it made him well, except he did NOT

have AIDS nor was undergoing Chemotherapy treatment, so how come

someone from nationally known fungal expert like Marinkovich's

office would say I'd have to have AIDS to have a systemic

infection? I'm afraid to travel to one of these experts (I was

considering Marinkovich), for fear he will just say the same thing

as the doctor down the stree and the trip will be a waste. I have

lots of allergies, but its an infection that I would like to be

checked for. I am thrown back and forth by constantly contradictory

information.

Here is Doug Kaufman's website. " knowthecause.com "

He has a show on DISH tv called " Know the Cause " , which I have heard

is very good, and his website is very informative also.

From his website. I have all below symptoms. food allergies-check;

stomach problems-check, weight gain lately-check, skin problems-

check (derm appt tomorrow), add to that environmental allergies and

drug sensitivities and extreme fatigue and weakness:

" In 1971 Doug Kaufmann returned home from Vietnam with symptoms that

did not respond to traditional medical therapies. He learned that

his food allergies, stomach problems, weight gain, and skin problems

(to name a few) all shared a common root cause-a systemic fungal

infection. 33 years later, Doug has gone from student of mycology

(the study of fungus) to a teacher of mycology. In 1995, Doug met

Holland, a microbiologist and board certifed physician.

and Doug worked together in a Dallas, TX clinic and saw hundreds of

patients respond favorably to an antifungal regime. This led them to

believe that many of the diseases of unknown origin may have a

fungal root cause.

I wonder if he worked at Dallas Environmental Clinic? I guess I

could ask him.

--- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@...>

wrote:

>

> ly I'm very confused about all of this.

[Guest guest]

-believe me, your not alone in the confusion. if you get answers, let

as know please. it's such a shame that we are forsed to suffer

through this and doctors dont see how much we need to talk to them

not their secutarys.who can afford to go see specialest and still

risk not getting the medical help, answers and tests you need. I was

supposed to go back for more testing, 2 states away, yeah right.

couldn't afford it the first time. I ve been 3 different places in 3

different states. I'm just kind of burnt out on the whole " your

doctor knows best " thing. I know we have some great ones we know,

wish there was millions more like them. I'm talking about family

doctors, the ones that are supposed to know you well and really care

enough to know whats in your file and send you to experts and

reconize the signs of multiple illnesses, toxin exposure, MCS, and

what ever else we need. it is the 20th century and its full of health

problems, why? 2 answers, were slowly killing our planet and most

prescribed medicines cover up illnesses and dont cure them. why is

there so many illnesses where the cause is

unknown?

-- In , " barb1283 "

<barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> Here is more information to add to the confusion: author and

> researcher, Doug Kaufmans' story. Here he says he had systemic

> fungal infection and treating it made him well, except he did NOT

> have AIDS nor was undergoing Chemotherapy treatment, so how come

> someone from nationally known fungal expert like Marinkovich's

> office would say I'd have to have AIDS to have a systemic

> infection? I'm afraid to travel to one of these experts (I was

> considering Marinkovich), for fear he will just say the same thing

> as the doctor down the stree and the trip will be a waste. I have

> lots of allergies, but its an infection that I would like to be

> checked for. I am thrown back and forth by constantly

contradictory

> information.

>

> Here is Doug Kaufman's website. " knowthecause.com "

>

> He has a show on DISH tv called " Know the Cause " , which I have

heard

> is very good, and his website is very informative also.

>

> From his website. I have all below symptoms. food allergies-

check;

> stomach problems-check, weight gain lately-check, skin problems-

> check (derm appt tomorrow), add to that environmental allergies and

> drug sensitivities and extreme fatigue and weakness:

>

> " In 1971 Doug Kaufmann returned home from Vietnam with symptoms

that

> did not respond to traditional medical therapies. He learned that

> his food allergies, stomach problems, weight gain, and skin

problems

> (to name a few) all shared a common root cause-a systemic fungal

> infection. 33 years later, Doug has gone from student of mycology

> (the study of fungus) to a teacher of mycology. In 1995, Doug met

> Holland, a microbiologist and board certifed physician.

> and Doug worked together in a Dallas, TX clinic and saw hundreds of

> patients respond favorably to an antifungal regime. This led them

to

> believe that many of the diseases of unknown origin may have a

> fungal root cause.

>

> I wonder if he worked at Dallas Environmental Clinic? I guess I

> could ask him.

>

>

> >

> > ly I'm very confused about all of this.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I'm not afraid to spend the money, I'm afraid to waste it. My

health matters to me but I don't make enough to waste it.

>

> -believe me, your not alone in the confusion. if you get answers,

let us know please. who can afford to go see specialest and still

> risk not getting the medical help, answers and tests you need. >

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanine,

I have read Kaufman's book, the Fungal Link. I treated with Marinkovich.

And I am basically well. His treatment protocol is closely aligned with

Kaufman's book. I don't think that Marinkovich is of the opinion one has to

has

AIDS to obtain a systemic fungal infection. Are you certain they didn't say

that you had acquired and immune dysfuction?..Which is aids, but not THE

AIDS. There is another book written by one of Dr. M's patients called Immune

Dysfunction, by Judith . It's a good book. She was sick for 20 years

before finding proper treatment.

I know Dr. M has consulted in many cases where intravenious antifungal IV's

were used by infectious disease doctors. Primarily, as I understand it, Dr.

M feels the root of the problem when one is exposed to mold, is that it

causes circulating immune complexes. Or serum sickness. Leaky gut is a main

aspect he also treats as a key component to becoming well. Enzymes.

I think there is more than one way to skin a cat over this matter.

Many of the Homeopathic/Natural physicians are demonstrating success by

lessening the mold intake. I hear Dr. Kashi Rai in New Orleans is very good.

Dr. Shoemaker is having success with treating the mycotoxins - many on this

board are his patients.

Others are reporting success with Probiotics.

Personally, I think it requires an integrated medicine approach that

encompasses all of the above for the most effective results.

The one element that ALL of the above have in common, is that in order to

become better, one must avoid the substance that is the root cause of the

illness. Sometimes, that is a really tall order.

Sharon

> Here is more information to add to the confusion: author and

> researcher, Doug Kaufmans' story. Here he says he had systemic

> fungal infection and treating it made him well, except he did NOT

> have AIDS nor was undergoing Chemotherapy treatment, so how come

> someone from nationally known fungal expert like Marinkovich's

> office would say I'd have to have AIDS to have a systemic

> infection? I'm afraid to travel to one of these experts (I was

> considering Marinkovich), for fear he will just say the same thing

> as the doctor down the stree and the trip will be a waste. I have

> lots of allergies, but its an infection that I would like to be

> checked for. I am thrown back and forth by constantly

contradictory

> information.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/20/2006 9:22:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

-Hi Sharon, but Barb posted that. I dont know anything about

Marinkovich. just heard his name a few days ago. -- In

, snk1955@... wrote:

Oh. Well, he's been great for our family. He was one the doctors that we

went to DC with back in Jan, along with Dr. Shoemaker, Dr. Yang and Dr.

Sherris. They were all a big hit with the Senate Staffers. Many seemed to

grasp

that what these gentlemen were saying is true about our illnesses.

(Marinkovich - immunology Shoemaker - toxocology Sherris - fungal sinusitus

Yang -

microbial.)

Sharon

[Guest guest]

-Hi Sharon, but Barb posted that. I dont know anything about

Marinkovich. just heard his name a few days ago. -- In

, snk1955@... wrote:

>

>

> Hi Jeanine,

>

> I have read Kaufman's book, the Fungal Link. I treated with

Marinkovich.

> And I am basically well. His treatment protocol is closely

aligned with

> Kaufman's book. I don't think that Marinkovich is of the opinion

one has to has

> AIDS to obtain a systemic fungal infection. Are you certain they

didn't say

> that you had acquired and immune dysfuction?..Which is aids, but

not THE

> AIDS. There is another book written by one of Dr. M's patients

called Immune

> Dysfunction, by Judith . It's a good book. She was sick for

20 years

> before finding proper treatment.

>

> I know Dr. M has consulted in many cases where intravenious

antifungal IV's

> were used by infectious disease doctors. Primarily, as I

understand it, Dr.

> M feels the root of the problem when one is exposed to mold, is

that it

> causes circulating immune complexes. Or serum sickness. Leaky gut

is a main

> aspect he also treats as a key component to becoming well.

Enzymes.

>

> I think there is more than one way to skin a cat over this matter.

>

> Many of the Homeopathic/Natural physicians are demonstrating

success by

> lessening the mold intake. I hear Dr. Kashi Rai in New Orleans is

very good.

>

> Dr. Shoemaker is having success with treating the mycotoxins - many

on this

> board are his patients.

>

> Others are reporting success with Probiotics.

>

> Personally, I think it requires an integrated medicine approach

that

> encompasses all of the above for the most effective results.

>

> The one element that ALL of the above have in common, is that in

order to

> become better, one must avoid the substance that is the root cause

of the

> illness. Sometimes, that is a really tall order.

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

> > Here is more information to add to the confusion: author and

> > researcher, Doug Kaufmans' story. Here he says he had systemic

> > fungal infection and treating it made him well, except he did

NOT

> > have AIDS nor was undergoing Chemotherapy treatment, so how come

> > someone from nationally known fungal expert like Marinkovich's

> > office would say I'd have to have AIDS to have a systemic

> > infection? I'm afraid to travel to one of these experts (I was

> > considering Marinkovich), for fear he will just say the same

thing

> > as the doctor down the stree and the trip will be a waste. I

have

> > lots of allergies, but its an infection that I would like to be

> > checked for. I am thrown back and forth by constantly

> contradictory

> > information.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It seems to me that your confusion is very normal. This is not very well

understood, and

there is no single doctor or protocol that covers it all, as far as I know. Each

person looks

at it from his own point of view, and follows the line of reasoning they came up

with.

It also seems to me that most allergists are as clueless. Most of them don't

know what

they are doing, and just throw steroids at everything, which is a very bad idea

with mold

illness.

I just got lucky with the guy I went to, he knew about antifungals and the role

they play in

my allergies.

You asked earlier about the Dallas group, I know only one woman who goes there,

and she

is not improving, even after several years. I don't know what the treatment is.

They were

able to stop the progression, from what I understand, but that is about it.

Maybe you should pick some doctor that has some kind of track record for helping

people,

and go there. Maybe see what your gut feeling is about them.

Also, many of the people answering the phones don't know one thing, even though

they

sound like they do. You can't tell about the doctor from what the others say.

You need to

talk to him, if you can. Or to his patients, if that fails. I have had the

" nurses " on the phone

tell me the worst kind of misinformation, so don't go by what she said.

On the other hand, sometimes the real nurses are better than the docs about some

things.

Like drug interactions and sideeffects- most docs I know don't know squat about

that, but

the nurses do, presumably because they deal directly with the paitents, and also

like to

look it up.

>

> ly I'm very confused about all of this. I'm trying to find out

> if I have an infection but it seems everyone is testing for

> allergies or so it seems. A doctor uses ANTIGENS to test for

> allergy, right? They put those in your skin for skin tests.

> Antibo

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon, post was from me, not Jeanine, but thanks. I am thinking

of seeing Dr M so it was discouraging to me that he might rule out an

immune problem or a systemic problem since I have been so sick, even

some cancer taken out surgically Fall 04. Anyway, it was person who

makes appt in his office. Usually they know what doctor does but I

wasn't talking to doctor. I don't care what it is I have, I just

don't want someone closed minded about the more serious infections and

it is dismissed without consideration.

I was very impressed with Doug Kaufman's website and think I will pick

up his book.

>> Hi Jeanine,

>

> I have read Kaufman's book, the Fungal Link. I treated with

Marinkovich. And I am basically well. His treatment protocol is

closely aligned with Kaufman's book.

[Guest guest]

, I think I know who you are refering to that went to Dallas

and that concerns me also. They seem to be one of the few places that

specialize in CSM, which I don't have, *yet. Oh well, thanks for all

the input. I realize I really can't tell ahead of time. The experts

do not all say the same thing. I will just have to pick one.

--- In , " kl_clayton " <kl_clayton@...>

wrote:

>> It seems to me that your confusion is very normal. This is not very

well understood, and

> there is no single doctor or protocol that covers it all, as far as

I know. Each person looks

> at it from his own point of view