Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I recommend that you refer the patient to Greg Ross, DC in

Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the NeuroModulation Technique.

These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic infection cases respond beautifully and

routinely with NMT which is safe and non-invasive.

To understand more about NMT please check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.md/RadioInterviewFullpage.cfm

link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lfeinberg.htm

link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT website: www.nmt.md

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

DeJana

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM

Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the

subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered

from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing

for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her

mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She

also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is

constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her

insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope.

She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in

bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line

could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and

cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal

and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

Hi Don,

Yes, it is surrogate testing. A few people, typically

other health care practitioner and not patients, have a bit of a challenge in

understanding muscle response testing generally and surrogate testing

specifically. I usually refer them to the book “Entangled Minds†by

physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the science of quantum entanglement

behind this linkage that makes direct or indirect (surrogate) muscle response

testing possible. I now work about 50% of the time in my Oregon office

and about 50% in my Mexico City office where I do NMT only and virtually all of

that work is remote with people from all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia,

Australia, and Latin America. Obviously, they are all not only tested in

a surrogate manner, but all the work is done on a remote basis and the results

are excellent and identical to what we see for in-office treatment. When

you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote testing, and in the world

of non-locality there is no difference between a little remote or a lot

remote. Either there is an effect mediated by contact with the patient,

or there isn’t and if there is no physical contact, then as they say, “a miss

is as good as a mileâ€. I just finished treating a young electrical

engineer who works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of weeks

ago and could barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded only

slight and temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session last week

he was immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session, he was

virtually pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT

session. Care for this low back condition was actually a

sidetrack from the other distance NMT care he has received in the past 2

months. This fellow has such severe spring time environmental allergies

that he requires shots of steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy

medications. After about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is

absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms and will probably have just a

few more sessions to arrive at the point that the NMT system metrics I check

for him demonstrate full resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate

stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: MekaAbou@...

[mailto:MekaAbou@...]

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PM

feinberg@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Les,

How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year old in your technique ?

Is it surrogate?

Don WHite, RN, DC

In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

feinberg@... writes:

Hi ,

I recommend that you refer the patient

to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the

NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic

infection cases respond beautifully and routinely with NMT which is safe and

non-invasive.

To understand more about NMT please

check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.md/RadioInterviewFullpage.cfm

link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lfeinberg.htm

link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT website: www.nmt.md

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of DeJana

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM

Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi

all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the

subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered

from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing

for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her

mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She

also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is

constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her

insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope.

She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in

bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line

could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and

cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal

and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

Hi Don,

Yes, it is surrogate testing. A few people, typically

other health care practitioner and not patients, have a bit of a challenge in

understanding muscle response testing generally and surrogate testing

specifically. I usually refer them to the book “Entangled Minds†by

physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the science of quantum entanglement

behind this linkage that makes direct or indirect (surrogate) muscle response

testing possible. I now work about 50% of the time in my Oregon office

and about 50% in my Mexico City office where I do NMT only and virtually all of

that work is remote with people from all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia,

Australia, and Latin America. Obviously, they are all not only tested in

a surrogate manner, but all the work is done on a remote basis and the results

are excellent and identical to what we see for in-office treatment. When

you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote testing, and in the world

of non-locality there is no difference between a little remote or a lot

remote. Either there is an effect mediated by contact with the patient,

or there isn’t and if there is no physical contact, then as they say, “a miss

is as good as a mileâ€. I just finished treating a young electrical

engineer who works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of weeks

ago and could barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded only

slight and temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session last week

he was immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session, he was

virtually pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT

session. Care for this low back condition was actually a

sidetrack from the other distance NMT care he has received in the past 2

months. This fellow has such severe spring time environmental allergies

that he requires shots of steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy

medications. After about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is

absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms and will probably have just a

few more sessions to arrive at the point that the NMT system metrics I check

for him demonstrate full resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate

stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: MekaAbou@...

[mailto:MekaAbou@...]

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PM

feinberg@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Les,

How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year old in your technique ?

Is it surrogate?

Don WHite, RN, DC

In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

feinberg@... writes:

Hi ,

I recommend that you refer the patient

to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the

NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic

infection cases respond beautifully and routinely with NMT which is safe and

non-invasive.

To understand more about NMT please

check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.md/RadioInterviewFullpage.cfm

link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lfeinberg.htm

link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT website: www.nmt.md

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of DeJana

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM

Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi

all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the

subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered

from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing

for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her

mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She

also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is

constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her

insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope.

She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in

bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line

could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and

cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal

and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

The four demons of allergy are wheat, soy, dairy and corn. In order to find out the specific allergy on a person you'd have to run an IgA gut test to see what allergies they have. There are various food allergy tests available as well. You can also assume peanuts, all packaged food (which has soy in it or high fructose corn syrup) and high fructose corn syrup until otherwise proven innocent.

Right away she needs to get on raw foods: ie raw nuts, raw greens, not much fruit, be careful with eggs. Stay away from canned, boxed, prepared foods.

Did her mom have allergies as a child? Is this child eating a 2 year old prepared food diet? or is she eating some special diet.

How is the child getting her minerals and her Vitamin D?

Is the child digesting food or is her poop especially smelly?

Did the mom eat a Standard American Diet as a youngster or when pregnant? If so, this will be a harder case to solve. The child may need some probiotics as well. Some gut testing is in order.

Christian Mathisen, DC

3654 S Pacific Hwy

Medford, OR 97501

cmathdc@...

2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons. I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms. I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.Thank you in advance for your time! DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

Someone sent me a question off line about surrogate testing and

I thought I would offer these thoughts to any of you “think outside the boxâ€

types.

Surrogate testing simply means that the patient is not muscle

tested directly. Instead, either a third party who is with the

practitioner is used to monitor the muscle response test result, or that the

practitioner him/herself does a self test as a surrogate for the patient.

This may seem quite odd to anyone who has not had experience with this sort of

thing or who attempts to understand such an evaluation in terms of some direct

neuromuscular reflex arising within the patient. It doesn’t make sense in

those terms. To understand muscle response testing generally, and

surrogate muscle response testing specifically you have to dispense with that

notion. It has nothing to do with it. Instead, this has to do with

the “other than conscious†mental linkage that occurs with all people who hold

the intention to relate to one another for some purpose. I’ll

explain. Dean Radin, Ph.D. reports the research documenting this

phenomenon in his book “Entangled Minds†and there is a lot of other research

supporting this. In the research Radin documents, pairs of research

subject unknown previously to one another we brought together, hooked up to EEG

monitoring devices. Their EEG tracings were dissimilar. They were

then asked to meditate together for 15 minutes after which it was noted that

their EEG tracings became synchronous. They were then separated and put

in Faraday caged, light and sound proof rooms. One subject was exposed to

a strobe light and the EEG of course demonstrated the corresponding activity in

the occipital cortex. What is telling is that the other subject isolated

as described above demonstrated exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the

same time as the one who received the light stimulation.

So, this demonstrates that a non-electromagnetic linkage of mind

occurs between people. An important thing here is the subjects were

induced to enter a state of quantum entanglement by the intention to meditate

together. Similarly, when patient and practitioner come together with the

shared intention of a healing interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there

is certain information relevant to the therapeutic interaction that becomes

shared just as shared documents become available to computers on the same

network (even though all documents and information will not be shared).

When you look at it from this perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a

neuromuscular reflex in the patient. Instead, the muscle response in the

surrogate or self-surrogate is seen as an “external indicator†of information

that is already known at a subconscious level to both parties and it brings

that information to conscious mind awareness. As with the research reported

by Radin, contact or immediate physical proximity of the subject is not

necessary in surrogate testing. Presence in this context is not about

physical proximity.

This same phenomenon happens all the time in conventional

chiropractic but is generally not understood and misinterpreted as some sort of

neuromuscular reflex. Activator technique testing is a great

example. The leg length responses are the reaction of the patient to the

other than conscious query based upon the metaphorical model taught in Activator

technique of what is meant by the various physical strokes, brushings, and

other cues given to the body. That meaning and the response that would

correlate with the patient’s body’s perception of it physical condition is

understood subconsciously by the patient’s mind-body and the leg length change

reveals the body’s answer in the context of the Activator model held in mind by

the practitioner. The same is true of the arm-fossa tests in SOT. They

have nothing to do with hard wired neurology.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

S. Feinberg

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PM

MekaAbou@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi Don,

Yes, it is surrogate testing. A

few people, typically other health care practitioner and not patients, have a

bit of a challenge in understanding muscle response testing generally and

surrogate testing specifically. I usually refer them to the book

“Entangled Minds†by physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the science of

quantum entanglement behind this linkage that makes direct or indirect

(surrogate) muscle response testing possible. I now work about 50% of the

time in my Oregon office and about 50% in my Mexico City office where I do NMT

only and virtually all of that work is remote with people from all over the US,

Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Latin America. Obviously, they are

all not only tested in a surrogate manner, but all the work is done on a remote

basis and the results are excellent and identical to what we see for in-office

treatment. When you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote

testing, and in the world of non-locality there is no difference between a

little remote or a lot remote. Either there is an effect mediated by

contact with the patient, or there isn’t and if there is no physical contact,

then as they say, “a miss is as good as a mileâ€. I just finished treating

a young electrical engineer who works for Intel. He had hurt his low back

a couple of weeks ago and could barely move and conventional chiropractic care

afforded only slight and temporary relief. After his first remote NMT

session last week he was immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second

session, he was virtually pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT

session. Care for this low back condition was actually a

sidetrack from the other distance NMT care he has received in the past 2

months. This fellow has such severe spring time environmental allergies

that he requires shots of steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy

medications. After about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is

absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms and will probably have just a

few more sessions to arrive at the point that the NMT system metrics I check

for him demonstrate full resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate

stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

MekaAbou@... [mailto:MekaAbou@...]

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PM

feinberg@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Les,

How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year

old in your technique ? Is it surrogate?

Don WHite, RN, DC

In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M.

Pacific Daylight Time, feinberg@... writes:

Hi ,

I recommend that you refer the patient

to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the

NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic infection

cases respond beautifully and routinely with NMT which is safe and non-invasive.

To understand more about NMT please

check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.md/RadioInterviewFullpage.cfm

link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lfeinberg.htm

link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT website: www.nmt.md

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of DeJana

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM

Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind

enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be

over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered

from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing

for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her

mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She

also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is

constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her

insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope.

She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in

bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line

could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and

cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal

and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

Can you assume that the patient and

surrogate are ‘linked’ or do you have to meditate together or some

other process and then test for the linkage ie EEG testing of each person? I

was visiting with Dr. Freeman a few weeks ago and I asked him ‘ What if I

don’t like the person?’ What I meant by that is can emotion or some

other process interfere with your ability to read or interpret what ever you

are asking or looking for? Or do you just turn in to a robot testing machine

and not allow human nuance into it?

s. fuchs dc

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of S. Feinberg

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:59

PM

' S. Feinberg';

MekaAbou@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: RE: 2

year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Someone sent me a question off line about surrogate testing and

I thought I would offer these thoughts to any of you “think outside the

box” types.

Surrogate testing simply means that the patient is not muscle

tested directly. Instead, either a third party who is with the

practitioner is used to monitor the muscle response test result, or that the

practitioner him/herself does a self test as a surrogate for the patient.

This may seem quite odd to anyone who has not had experience with this sort of

thing or who attempts to understand such an evaluation in terms of some direct

neuromuscular reflex arising within the patient. It doesn’t make

sense in those terms. To understand muscle response testing generally,

and surrogate muscle response testing specifically you have to dispense with

that notion. It has nothing to do with it. Instead, this has to do

with the “other than conscious” mental linkage that occurs with all

people who hold the intention to relate to one another for some purpose.

I’ll explain. Dean Radin, Ph.D. reports the research documenting

this phenomenon in his book “Entangled Minds” and there is a lot of

other research supporting this. In the research Radin documents, pairs of

research subject unknown previously to one another we brought together, hooked

up to EEG monitoring devices. Their EEG tracings were dissimilar.

They were then asked to meditate together for 15 minutes after which it was

noted that their EEG tracings became synchronous. They were then

separated and put in Faraday caged, light and sound proof rooms. One

subject was exposed to a strobe light and the EEG of course demonstrated the

corresponding activity in the occipital cortex. What is telling is that

the other subject isolated as described above demonstrated exactly the same

occipital lobe tracing at the same time as the one who received the light

stimulation.

So, this demonstrates that a non-electromagnetic linkage of mind

occurs between people. An important thing here is the subjects were

induced to enter a state of quantum entanglement by the intention to meditate

together. Similarly, when patient and practitioner come together with the

shared intention of a healing interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there

is certain information relevant to the therapeutic interaction that becomes

shared just as shared documents become available to computers on the same

network (even though all documents and information will not be shared).

When you look at it from this perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a

neuromuscular reflex in the patient. Instead, the muscle response in the

surrogate or self-surrogate is seen as an “external indicator” of

information that is already known at a subconscious level to both parties and

it brings that information to conscious mind awareness. As with the

research reported by Radin, contact or immediate physical proximity of the

subject is not necessary in surrogate testing. Presence in this context

is not about physical proximity.

This same phenomenon happens all the time in conventional

chiropractic but is generally not understood and misinterpreted as some sort of

neuromuscular reflex. Activator technique testing is a great

example. The leg length responses are the reaction of the patient to the

other than conscious query based upon the metaphorical model taught in

Activator technique of what is meant by the various physical strokes,

brushings, and other cues given to the body. That meaning and the

response that would correlate with the patient’s body’s perception

of it physical condition is understood subconsciously by the patient’s

mind-body and the leg length change reveals the body’s answer in the

context of the Activator model held in mind by the practitioner. The same

is true of the arm-fossa tests in SOT. They have nothing to do with hard wired

neurology.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On

Behalf Of S. Feinberg

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010

2:56 PM

MekaAbouaol;

mdejanadcgmail;

Subject: RE: 2

year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi Don,

Yes, it is surrogate testing. A few people, typically

other health care practitioner and not patients, have a bit of a challenge in

understanding muscle response testing generally and surrogate testing

specifically. I usually refer them to the book “Entangled Minds”

by physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the science of quantum entanglement

behind this linkage that makes direct or indirect (surrogate) muscle response

testing possible. I now work about 50% of the time in my Oregon office

and about 50% in my Mexico City office where I do NMT only and virtually all of

that work is remote with people from all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia,

Australia, and Latin America. Obviously, they are all not only tested in

a surrogate manner, but all the work is done on a remote basis and the results

are excellent and identical to what we see for in-office treatment. When

you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote testing, and in the world

of non-locality there is no difference between a little remote or a lot remote.

Either there is an effect mediated by contact with the patient, or there

isn’t and if there is no physical contact, then as they say, “a

miss is as good as a mile”. I just finished treating a young

electrical engineer who works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a

couple of weeks ago and could barely move and conventional chiropractic care

afforded only slight and temporary relief. After his first remote NMT

session last week he was immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second

session, he was virtually pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT

session. Care for this low back condition was actually a

sidetrack from the other distance NMT care he has received in the past 2

months. This fellow has such severe spring time environmental allergies

that he requires shots of steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy

medications. After about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is

absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms and will probably have just a

few more sessions to arrive at the point that the NMT system metrics I check

for him demonstrate full resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate

stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: MekaAbouaol [mailto:MekaAbouaol]

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010

2:27 PM

feinbergnmt (DOT) md;

mdejanadcgmail;

Subject: Re: 2

year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Les,

How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year old in your technique ?

Is it surrogate?

Don WHite, RN, DC

In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

feinbergnmt (DOT) md writes:

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Hi ,

I recommend that you refer the patient to Greg Ross, DC in

Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the NeuroModulation Technique.

These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic infection cases respond beautifully and

routinely with NMT which is safe and non-invasive.

To understand more about NMT please check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.md/RadioInterviewFullpage.cfm

link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lfeinberg.htm

link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT website: www.nmt.md

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On

Behalf Of DeJana

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010

1:55 PM

Subject: 2 year

old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not

changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered

from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing

for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her

mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She

also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is

constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her

insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope.

She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in

bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line

could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and

cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal

and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

I loved the explanation of surrogate testing you gave and will save this for others to read that come to my office when I need to explain it. It is hard to explain and I have had to use it when there is no other means. I do find there are issues though with this type of testing. I find that if I have a predetermined idea of what the out come is this affects the outcome. Second, we are introducing another person into this equation, which picks up his or her thoughts and body issue. We might assume it is the one we are testing and it turns out it is the person we are using. Third, if either the person we need to test or the one we are using are dehydrated it will through the test. There are many issues that can interfere. I find it is better to test the surrogate person

alone and find their issues before going any further. Hydrate both the surrogate and the patient for a good connection. Then tell the the surrogate to keep his thoughts more blank and not be thinking confusion for the patient's condition. Thoughts can change the test. There are both physical and metal issues that can change this test, along with the doctors thoughts. Good luck. I believe it take many years of experience to understand how muscle testing works and the problems with it. However, it does work. I do know that many people do not believe, unless they get it done to them by an experienced muscle tester. I find many doctors shoove the arm or muscle being tested to hard because they expect the outcome to be a certain way. They over power the person being tested. It also is a problem, especially Surrogate testing in a court of law or trying

to describe this for any legal purposes. Better to use standard testing and evaluation for any legal purposes and these other tests only for the doctors evaluations. I never put in my notes direct statements that my muscle testing is how I came to the diagnosis. 25 years of writing notes with muscle testing experience I do not throw my pearls amoung those that do not understand.

Dr. Wiese D.C

From: S. Feinberg <feinberg@...>Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies"' S. Feinberg'" <feinberg@...>, MekaAbou@..., mdejanadc@..., Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 12:58 PM

Someone sent me a question off line about surrogate testing and I thought I would offer these thoughts to any of you “think outside the box†types.

Surrogate testing simply means that the patient is not muscle tested directly. Instead, either a third party who is with the practitioner is used to monitor the muscle response test result, or that the practitioner him/herself does a self test as a surrogate for the patient. This may seem quite odd to anyone who has not had experience with this sort of thing or who attempts to understand such an evaluation in terms of some direct neuromuscular reflex arising within the patient. It doesn’t make sense in those terms. To understand muscle response testing generally, and surrogate muscle response testing specifically you have to dispense with that notion. It has nothing to do with it. Instead, this has to do with the “other than conscious†mental linkage that occurs with all people who hold the intention to relate to one

another for some purpose. I’ll explain. Dean Radin, Ph.D. reports the research documenting this phenomenon in his book “Entangled Minds†and there is a lot of other research supporting this. In the research Radin documents, pairs of research subject unknown previously to one another we brought together, hooked up to EEG monitoring devices. Their EEG tracings were dissimilar. They were then asked to meditate together for 15 minutes after which it was noted that their EEG tracings became synchronous. They were then separated and put in Faraday caged, light and sound proof rooms. One subject was exposed to a strobe light and the EEG of course demonstrated the corresponding activity in the occipital cortex. What is telling is that the other subject isolated as described above demonstrated exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the same time as the one who received the light stimulation.

So, this demonstrates that a non-electromagnetic linkage of mind occurs between people. An important thing here is the subjects were induced to enter a state of quantum entanglement by the intention to meditate together. Similarly, when patient and practitioner come together with the shared intention of a healing interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there is certain information relevant to the therapeutic interaction that becomes shared just as shared documents become available to computers on the same network (even though all documents and information will not be shared). When you look at it from this perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a neuromuscular reflex in the patient. Instead, the muscle response in the surrogate or self-surrogate is seen as an “external indicator†of information that is already known at a

subconscious level to both parties and it brings that information to conscious mind awareness. As with the research reported by Radin, contact or immediate physical proximity of the subject is not necessary in surrogate testing. Presence in this context is not about physical proximity.

This same phenomenon happens all the time in conventional chiropractic but is generally not understood and misinterpreted as some sort of neuromuscular reflex. Activator technique testing is a great example. The leg length responses are the reaction of the patient to the other than conscious query based upon the metaphorical model taught in Activator technique of what is meant by the various physical strokes, brushings, and other cues given to the body. That meaning and the response that would correlate with the patient’s body’s perception of it physical condition is understood subconsciously by the patient’s mind-body and the leg length change reveals the body’s answer in the context of the Activator model held in mind by the practitioner. The same is true of the arm-fossa tests in SOT. They have nothing to do with hard wired

neurology.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of S. FeinbergSent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PMMekaAbou@...; mdejanadc@...; Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi Don,

Yes, it is surrogate testing. A few people, typically other health care practitioner and not patients, have a bit of a challenge in understanding muscle response testing generally and surrogate testing specifically. I usually refer them to the book “Entangled Minds†by physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the science of quantum entanglement behind this linkage that makes direct or indirect (surrogate) muscle response testing possible. I now work about 50% of the time in my Oregon office and about 50% in my Mexico City office where I do NMT only and virtually all of that work is remote with people from all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Latin America. Obviously, they are all not only tested in a surrogate manner, but all the work is done on a remote basis and the results are excellent and identical to what we see for in-office

treatment. When you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote testing, and in the world of non-locality there is no difference between a little remote or a lot remote. Either there is an effect mediated by contact with the patient, or there isn’t and if there is no physical contact, then as they say, “a miss is as good as a mileâ€. I just finished treating a young electrical engineer who works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of weeks ago and could barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded only slight and temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session last week he was immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session, he was virtually pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT session. Care for this low back condition was actually a sidetrack from the other distance NMT care he has received in the past 2 months. This fellow has such severe

spring time environmental allergies that he requires shots of steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy medications. After about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms and will probably have just a few more sessions to arrive at the point that the NMT system metrics I check for him demonstrate full resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: MekaAbou@... [mailto:MekaAbou@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PMfeinberg@...; mdejanadc@...; Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Les,

How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year old in your technique ? Is it surrogate?

Don WHite, RN, DC

In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, feinberg@... writes:

Hi ,

I recommend that you refer the patient to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic infection cases respond beautifully and routinely with NMT which is safe and non-invasive.

To understand more about NMT please check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.md/RadioInterviewFullpage.cfm link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lfeinberg.htm link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT website: www.nmt.md

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of DeJanaSent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons. I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms. I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially

demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.Thank you in advance for your time! DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

GRAMMER CORRECTION: I loved the explanation of surrogate testing you gave and will save this for others to read that come to my office when I need to explain it. It is hard to explain and I have had to use it when there is no other means. I do find there are issues though with this type of testing. I find that if I have a predetermined idea of what the out come is this affects the outcome. Second, we are introducing another person into this equation, which picks up his or her thoughts and body issue. We might assume it is the one we are testing and it turns out it is the person we are using. Third, if either the person we need to test or the one we are using are dehydrated it will through (throw) the test. There are many issues that

can interfere. I find it is better to test the surrogate person alone and find their issues before going any further. Hydrate both the surrogate and the patient for a good connection. Then tell the the surrogate to keep his thoughts more blank and not be thinking confusion for the patient's condition. Thoughts can change the test. There are both physical and metal issues that can change this test, along with the doctors thoughts. Good luck. I believe it take many years of experience to understand how muscle testing works and the problems with it. However, it does work. I do know that many people do not believe, unless they get it done to them by an experienced muscle tester. I find many doctors shoove (shove) the arm or muscle being tested to hard, because they expect the outcome to be a certain way. They over power the

person being tested. It also is a problem, especially Surrogate testing in a court of law or trying to describe this for any legal purposes. Better to use standard testing and evaluation for any legal purposes and these other tests only for the doctors evaluations. I never put in my notes direct statements that my muscle testing is how I came to the diagnosis. 25 years of writing notes with muscle testing experience I do not throw my pearls amoung those that do not understand.

From: Sharron Fuchs <sharronf@...>Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 1:24 PM

Can you assume that the patient and surrogate are ‘linked’ or do you have to meditate together or some other process and then test for the linkage ie EEG testing of each person? I was visiting with Dr. Freeman a few weeks ago and I asked him ‘ What if I don’t like the person?’ What I meant by that is can emotion or some other process interfere with your ability to read or interpret what ever you are asking or looking for? Or do you just turn in to a robot testing machine and not allow human nuance into it?

s. fuchs dc

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of S. FeinbergSent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:59 PM' S. Feinberg'; MekaAbou@...; mdejanadc@...; Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Someone sent me a question off line about surrogate testing and I thought I would offer these thoughts to any of you “think outside the box†types.

Surrogate testing simply means that the patient is not muscle tested directly. Instead, either a third party who is with the practitioner is used to monitor the muscle response test result, or that the practitioner him/herself does a self test as a surrogate for the patient. This may seem quite odd to anyone who has not had experience with this sort of thing or who attempts to understand such an evaluation in terms of some direct neuromuscular reflex arising within the patient. It doesn’t make sense in those terms. To understand muscle response testing generally, and surrogate muscle response testing specifically you have to dispense with that notion. It has nothing to do with it. Instead, this has to do with the “other than conscious†mental linkage that occurs with all people who hold the intention

to relate to one another for some purpose. I’ll explain. Dean Radin, Ph.D. reports the research documenting this phenomenon in his book “Entangled Minds†and there is a lot of other research supporting this. In the research Radin documents, pairs of research subject unknown previously to one another we brought together, hooked up to EEG monitoring devices. Their EEG tracings were dissimilar. They were then asked to meditate together for 15 minutes after which it was noted that their EEG tracings became synchronous. They were then separated and put in Faraday caged, light and sound proof rooms. One subject was exposed to a strobe light and the EEG of course demonstrated the corresponding activity in the occipital cortex. What is telling is that the other subject isolated as described above demonstrated exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the same time as the one who received the light

stimulation.

So, this demonstrates that a non-electromagnetic linkage of mind occurs between people. An important thing here is the subjects were induced to enter a state of quantum entanglement by the intention to meditate together. Similarly, when patient and practitioner come together with the shared intention of a healing interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there is certain information relevant to the therapeutic interaction that becomes shared just as shared documents become available to computers on the same network (even though all documents and information will not be shared). When you look at it from this perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a neuromuscular reflex in the patient. Instead, the muscle response in the surrogate or self-surrogate is seen as an “external indicator†of information that is

already known at a subconscious level to both parties and it brings that information to conscious mind awareness. As with the research reported by Radin, contact or immediate physical proximity of the subject is not necessary in surrogate testing. Presence in this context is not about physical proximity.

This same phenomenon happens all the time in conventional chiropractic but is generally not understood and misinterpreted as some sort of neuromuscular reflex. Activator technique testing is a great example. The leg length responses are the reaction of the patient to the other than conscious query based upon the metaphorical model taught in Activator technique of what is meant by the various physical strokes, brushings, and other cues given to the body. That meaning and the response that would correlate with the patient’s body’s perception of it physical condition is understood subconsciously by the patient’s mind-body and the leg length change reveals the body’s answer in the context of the Activator model held in mind by the practitioner. The same is true of the arm-fossa tests in SOT. They have nothing to

do with hard wired neurology.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: @grou ps.com [mailto:] On Behalf Of S. FeinbergSent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PMMekaAbouaol (DOT) com; mdejanadcgmail (DOT) com; @grou ps.comSubject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi Don,

Yes, it is surrogate testing. A few people, typically other health care practitioner and not patients, have a bit of a challenge in understanding muscle response testing generally and surrogate testing specifically. I usually refer them to the book “Entangled Minds†by physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the science of quantum entanglement behind this linkage that makes direct or indirect (surrogate) muscle response testing possible. I now work about 50% of the time in my Oregon office and about 50% in my Mexico City office where I do NMT only and virtually all of that work is remote with people from all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Latin America. Obviously, they are all not only tested in a surrogate manner, but all the work is done on a remote basis and the results are excellent and

identical to what we see for in-office treatment. When you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote testing, and in the world of non-locality there is no difference between a little remote or a lot remote. Either there is an effect mediated by contact with the patient, or there isn’t and if there is no physical contact, then as they say, “a miss is as good as a mileâ€. I just finished treating a young electrical engineer who works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of weeks ago and could barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded only slight and temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session last week he was immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session, he was virtually pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT session. Care for this low back condition was actually a sidetrack from the other distance NMT care he has received in the past 2

months. This fellow has such severe spring time environmental allergies that he requires shots of steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy medications. After about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms and will probably have just a few more sessions to arrive at the point that the NMT system metrics I check for him demonstrate full resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: MekaAbouaol (DOT) com [mailto:MekaAbou@ aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PMfeinbergnmt (DOT) md; mdejanadcgmail (DOT) com; @grou ps.comSubject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Les,

How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year old in your technique ? Is it surrogate?

Don WHite, RN, DC

In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, feinbergnmt (DOT) md writes:

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Hi ,

I recommend that you refer the patient to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic infection cases respond beautifully and routinely with NMT which is safe and non-invasive.

To understand more about NMT please check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt. md/RadioIntervie wFullpage. cfm link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciou smedianetwork. com/members/ lfeinberg. htm link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT website: www.nmt.md

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: @grou ps.com [mailto:] On Behalf Of DeJanaSent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM@grou ps.comSubject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons. I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms. I have seen her

twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.Thank you in advance for your time! DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon,

Agreement, intention, and belief are always part of the

equation. The use of EEG is not ever part of a typical clinical arrangement

and I referred to it only because it was used to document the underlying

phenomenon of entanglement and mental connectivity. Human nuance is of

course involved in every clinical interface. All that is required for

consistent results with surrogate testing is an experienced and skilled

practitioner, and the agreement and intention of the practitioner, patient, and

surrogate to enter into this collaboration for the expressed purpose of helping

the patient. Obviously, just as in any human “conversation”

if one party does not want to engage, they don’t engage (I can’t

HEEEEEAAAAR you!). The NMT muscle response protocol has numerous

safeguards and checks to make sure that this feedback is working properly and

working properly means that the practitioner is getting responses that reflect

the patient’s mind-body perception of its internal state. Someone

may say, “Well, that isn’t objective information.”

My response is quite simple. What information does the mind-body base its

physiological decisions on other than its perception of its internal state.

The answer is nothing else!

Jim used to talk a lot about FCB - faith, confidence, and

belief as critical to the successful application of conventional chiropractic.

The practitioner’s intention, and the conveyance of that information

contained in this intention is always part of every chiropractic visit and

adjustment. It is one reason why people of similar technical expertise in

chiropractic get consistently different quality of results with the same

techniques on similar patients/cases. Think about HIO work. The

metaphor held in the mind of the practitioner, the opening of the gateway at

the atlas to universal intelligence and the permission and access to healing is

a very strong metaphorical model of informational medicine. Does anyone

really believe that the great results upper cervical specialists get in wide

ranging cases is truly the result of precisely positioning the atlas with tiny

little vibratory thrusts??? Right, and then the patient goes out and

plays football. Ha! Anyone who thinks chiropractic, however

it is practiced is all about body mechanics has missed the boat. That is

only a piece of the equation.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:25 PM

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Can you

assume that the patient and surrogate are ‘linked’ or do you have

to meditate together or some other process and then test for the linkage ie EEG

testing of each person? I was visiting with Dr. Freeman a few weeks ago and I

asked him ‘ What if I don’t like the person?’ What I meant by

that is can emotion or some other process interfere with your ability to read

or interpret what ever you are asking or looking for? Or do you just turn in to

a robot testing machine and not allow human nuance into it?

s. fuchs dc

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of S. Feinberg

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:59 PM

' S. Feinberg'; MekaAbou@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Someone sent me a question off line

about surrogate testing and I thought I would offer these thoughts to any of

you “think outside the box” types.

Surrogate testing simply means that the

patient is not muscle tested directly. Instead, either a third party who

is with the practitioner is used to monitor the muscle response test result, or

that the practitioner him/herself does a self test as a surrogate for the

patient. This may seem quite odd to anyone who has not had experience

with this sort of thing or who attempts to understand such an evaluation in

terms of some direct neuromuscular reflex arising within the patient. It

doesn’t make sense in those terms. To understand muscle response

testing generally, and surrogate muscle response testing specifically you have

to dispense with that notion. It has nothing to do with it.

Instead, this has to do with the “other than conscious” mental

linkage that occurs with all people who hold the intention to relate to one

another for some purpose. I’ll explain. Dean Radin, Ph.D.

reports the research documenting this phenomenon in his book “Entangled

Minds” and there is a lot of other research supporting this. In the

research Radin documents, pairs of research subject unknown previously to one

another we brought together, hooked up to EEG monitoring devices. Their

EEG tracings were dissimilar. They were then asked to meditate together

for 15 minutes after which it was noted that their EEG tracings became

synchronous. They were then separated and put in Faraday caged, light and

sound proof rooms. One subject was exposed to a strobe light and the EEG

of course demonstrated the corresponding activity in the occipital

cortex. What is telling is that the other subject isolated as described

above demonstrated exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the same time as

the one who received the light stimulation.

So, this demonstrates that a

non-electromagnetic linkage of mind occurs between people. An important

thing here is the subjects were induced to enter a state of quantum

entanglement by the intention to meditate together. Similarly, when patient

and practitioner come together with the shared intention of a healing

interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there is certain information relevant

to the therapeutic interaction that becomes shared just as shared documents

become available to computers on the same network (even though all documents

and information will not be shared). When you look at it from this

perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a neuromuscular reflex in the

patient. Instead, the muscle response in the surrogate or self-surrogate

is seen as an “external indicator” of information that is already

known at a subconscious level to both parties and it brings that information to

conscious mind awareness. As with the research reported by Radin, contact

or immediate physical proximity of the subject is not necessary in surrogate

testing. Presence in this context is not about physical proximity.

This same phenomenon happens all the

time in conventional chiropractic but is generally not understood and

misinterpreted as some sort of neuromuscular reflex. Activator technique

testing is a great example. The leg length responses are the reaction of

the patient to the other than conscious query based upon the metaphorical model

taught in Activator technique of what is meant by the various physical strokes,

brushings, and other cues given to the body. That meaning and the

response that would correlate with the patient’s body’s perception

of it physical condition is understood subconsciously by the patient’s

mind-body and the leg length change reveals the body’s answer in the

context of the Activator model held in mind by the practitioner. The same

is true of the arm-fossa tests in SOT. They have nothing to do with hard wired

neurology.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of S. Feinberg

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PM

MekaAbou@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi Don,

Yes, it is surrogate testing. A

few people, typically other health care practitioner and not patients, have a

bit of a challenge in understanding muscle response testing generally and

surrogate testing specifically. I usually refer them to the book

“Entangled Minds” by physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the

science of quantum entanglement behind this linkage that makes direct or

indirect (surrogate) muscle response testing possible. I now work about

50% of the time in my Oregon office and about 50% in my Mexico City office

where I do NMT only and virtually all of that work is remote with people from

all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Latin America.

Obviously, they are all not only tested in a surrogate manner, but all the work

is done on a remote basis and the results are excellent and identical to what

we see for in-office treatment. When you think about it, all surrogate

testing is remote testing, and in the world of non-locality there is no

difference between a little remote or a lot remote. Either there is an

effect mediated by contact with the patient, or there isn’t and if there

is no physical contact, then as they say, “a miss is as good as a

mile”. I just finished treating a young electrical engineer who

works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of weeks ago and could

barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded only slight and

temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session last week he was

immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session, he was virtually

pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT session.

Care for this low back condition was actually a sidetrack from the other

distance NMT care he has received in the past 2 months. This fellow has

such severe spring time environmental allergies that he requires shots of

steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy medications. After

about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is absolutely free of spring time

allergy symptoms and will probably have just a few more sessions to arrive at

the point that the NMT system metrics I check for him demonstrate full

resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate stuff in skilled hands is

the real McCoy.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

MekaAbou@... [mailto:MekaAbou@...]

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PM

feinberg@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Les,

How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year

old in your technique ? Is it surrogate?

Don WHite, RN, DC

In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M.

Pacific Daylight Time, feinberg@... writes:

Error! Cannot read or display file.Error!

Cannot read or display file.

Hi ,

I recommend that you refer the patient

to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the

NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic

infection cases respond beautifully and routinely with NMT which is safe and

non-invasive.

To understand more about NMT please

check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.md/RadioInterviewFullpage.cfm

link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lfeinberg.htm

link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT website: www.nmt.md

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of DeJana

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM

Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind

enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be

over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered

from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing

for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her

mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She

also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is

constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her

insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope.

She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in

bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line

could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and

cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal

and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

Hi Les,

Conversely if one attends a school at which the curriculum is one of a restricted vision ( chiropractic is only of value for strains & sprains, the manipulation can only do so much ) the young student will have implanted in his mind a limited concept of his role in the healing community. This type of D.C. will spend his/her career constantly searching for alternative methods to accomplish what they believe is beyond their clinical skills and will always believe that they are second rate practitioners.

All told if this were to change it would call for a paradigm shift in the curriculum that is currently being taught at our "natural health universities".

Herb Freeman D.C.

From: S. Feinberg

'Sharron Fuchs' ;

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:07 AM

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi Sharon,

Agreement, intention, and belief are always part of the equation. The use of EEG is not ever part of a typical clinical arrangement and I referred to it only because it was used to document the underlying phenomenon of entanglement and mental connectivity. Human nuance is of course involved in every clinical interface. All that is required for consistent results with surrogate testing is an experienced and skilled practitioner, and the agreement and intention of the practitioner, patient, and surrogate to enter into this collaboration for the expressed purpose of helping the patient. Obviously, just as in any human "conversation" if one party does not want to engage, they don't engage (I can't HEEEEEAAAAR you!). The NMT muscle response protocol has numerous safeguards and checks to make sure that this feedback is working properly and working properly means that the practitioner is getting responses that reflect the patient's mind-body perception of its internal state. Someone may say, "Well, that isn't objective information." My response is quite simple. What information does the mind-body base its physiological decisions on other than its perception of its internal state. The answer is nothing else!

Jim used to talk a lot about FCB - faith, confidence, and belief as critical to the successful application of conventional chiropractic. The practitioner's intention, and the conveyance of that information contained in this intention is always part of every chiropractic visit and adjustment. It is one reason why people of similar technical expertise in chiropractic get consistently different quality of results with the same techniques on similar patients/cases. Think about HIO work. The metaphor held in the mind of the practitioner, the opening of the gateway at the atlas to universal intelligence and the permission and access to healing is a very strong metaphorical model of informational medicine. Does anyone really believe that the great results upper cervical specialists get in wide ranging cases is truly the result of precisely positioning the atlas with tiny little vibratory thrusts??? Right, and then the patient goes out and plays football. Ha! Anyone who thinks chiropractic, however it is practiced is all about body mechanics has missed the boat. That is only a piece of the equation.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron FuchsSent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Can you assume that the patient and surrogate are 'linked' or do you have to meditate together or some other process and then test for the linkage ie EEG testing of each person? I was visiting with Dr. Freeman a few weeks ago and I asked him ' What if I don't like the person?' What I meant by that is can emotion or some other process interfere with your ability to read or interpret what ever you are asking or looking for? Or do you just turn in to a robot testing machine and not allow human nuance into it?

s. fuchs dc

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of S. FeinbergSent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:59 PM' S. Feinberg'; MekaAbouaol; mdejanadcgmail; Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Someone sent me a question off line about surrogate testing and I thought I would offer these thoughts to any of you "think outside the box" types.

Surrogate testing simply means that the patient is not muscle tested directly. Instead, either a third party who is with the practitioner is used to monitor the muscle response test result, or that the practitioner him/herself does a self test as a surrogate for the patient. This may seem quite odd to anyone who has not had experience with this sort of thing or who attempts to understand such an evaluation in terms of some direct neuromuscular reflex arising within the patient. It doesn't make sense in those terms. To understand muscle response testing generally, and surrogate muscle response testing specifically you have to dispense with that notion. It has nothing to do with it. Instead, this has to do with the "other than conscious" mental linkage that occurs with all people who hold the intention to relate to one another for some purpose. I'll explain. Dean Radin, Ph.D. reports the research documenting this phenomenon in his book "Entangled Minds" and there is a lot of other research supporting this. In the research Radin documents, pairs of research subject unknown previously to one another we brought together, hooked up to EEG monitoring devices. Their EEG tracings were dissimilar. They were then asked to meditate together for 15 minutes after which it was noted that their EEG tracings became synchronous. They were then separated and put in Faraday caged, light and sound proof rooms. One subject was exposed to a strobe light and the EEG of course demonstrated the corresponding activity in the occipital cortex. What is telling is that the other subject isolated as described above demonstrated exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the same time as the one who received the light stimulation.

So, this demonstrates that a non-electromagnetic linkage of mind occurs between people. An important thing here is the subjects were induced to enter a state of quantum entanglement by the intention to meditate together. Similarly, when patient and practitioner come together with the shared intention of a healing interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there is certain information relevant to the therapeutic interaction that becomes shared just as shared documents become available to computers on the same network (even though all documents and information will not be shared). When you look at it from this perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a neuromuscular reflex in the patient. Instead, the muscle response in the surrogate or self-surrogate is seen as an "external indicator" of information that is already known at a subconscious level to both parties and it brings that information to conscious mind awareness. As with the research reported by Radin, contact or immediate physical proximity of the subject is not necessary in surrogate testing. Presence in this context is not about physical proximity.

This same phenomenon happens all the time in conventional chiropractic but is generally not understood and misinterpreted as some sort of neuromuscular reflex. Activator technique testing is a great example. The leg length responses are the reaction of the patient to the other than conscious query based upon the metaphorical model taught in Activator technique of what is meant by the various physical strokes, brushings, and other cues given to the body. That meaning and the response that would correlate with the patient's body's perception of it physical condition is understood subconsciously by the patient's mind-body and the leg length change reveals the body's answer in the context of the Activator model held in mind by the practitioner. The same is true of the arm-fossa tests in SOT. They have nothing to do with hard wired neurology.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of S. FeinbergSent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PMMekaAbouaol; mdejanadcgmail; Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi Don,

Yes, it is surrogate testing. A few people, typically other health care practitioner and not patients, have a bit of a challenge in understanding muscle response testing generally and surrogate testing specifically. I usually refer them to the book "Entangled Minds" by physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the science of quantum entanglement behind this linkage that makes direct or indirect (surrogate) muscle response testing possible. I now work about 50% of the time in my Oregon office and about 50% in my Mexico City office where I do NMT only and virtually all of that work is remote with people from all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Latin America. Obviously, they are all not only tested in a surrogate manner, but all the work is done on a remote basis and the results are excellent and identical to what we see for in-office treatment. When you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote testing, and in the world of non-locality there is no difference between a little remote or a lot remote. Either there is an effect mediated by contact with the patient, or there isn't and if there is no physical contact, then as they say, "a miss is as good as a mile". I just finished treating a young electrical engineer who works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of weeks ago and could barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded only slight and temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session last week he was immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session, he was virtually pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT session. Care for this low back condition was actually a sidetrack from the other distance NMT care he has received in the past 2 months. This fellow has such severe spring time environmental allergies that he requires shots of steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy medications. After about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms and will probably have just a few more sessions to arrive at the point that the NMT system metrics I check for him demonstrate full resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: MekaAbouaol [mailto:MekaAbouaol] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PMfeinbergnmt (DOT) md; mdejanadcgmail; Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Les,

How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year old in your technique ? Is it surrogate?

Don WHite, RN, DC

In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, feinbergnmt (DOT) md writes:

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Hi ,

I recommend that you refer the patient to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic infection cases respond beautifully and routinely with NMT which is safe and non-invasive.

To understand more about NMT please check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.md/RadioInterviewFullpage.cfm link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lfeinberg.htm link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT website: www.nmt.md

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of DeJanaSent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons. I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms. I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.Thank you in advance for your time! DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

OK, I'm hoping that what I'm reading on this thread is not representative of the general feelings of the group. My 2 cents is that this type of treatment should be relegated to the scrap heap of Toftness, etc in OR. I can't sit by and read this, knowing that there are new DCs on the list and recent arrivals to OR who are framing their opinion of how their profession is practiced here. One of the hardest things I experience in practice daily is gaining the trust of patients who have been exposed to this type of BS and now lump all DCs together as proponents and practitioners of this type of stuff. For those who typically email me off list with supportive tones when I voice my opinion like this, thanks, but please bring your sentiments into the open forum here so that your silence is not viewed as general acceptance of this stuff. If I'm the odd one out, and the community truly supports this, then I'll go play elsewhere. Enjoy your Saturday! W. Snell,

D.C. Director, Solutions Sports & Spine, Inc at Hawthorne Wellness Center

3942 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Portland, OR 97214 Ph. 503-235-5484 Fax 503-235-3956

drpsnell.chiroweb.comwww.fixyourownback.comMember,

American College of Sports MedicineAssoc. Member, International Society of Clinical Rehabilitation Specialists From: docwiese7@...Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:45:41 -0700Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

GRAMMER CORRECTION: I loved the explanation of surrogate testing you gave and will save this for others to read that come to my office when I need to explain it. It is hard to explain and I have had to use it when there is no other means. I do find there are issues though with this type of testing. I find that if I have a predetermined idea of what the out come is this affects the outcome. Second, we are introducing another person into this equation, which picks up his or her thoughts and body issue. We might assume it is the one we are testing and it turns out it is the person we are using. Third, if either the person we need to test or the one we are using are dehydrated it will through (throw) the test. There are many issues that

can interfere. I find it is better to test the surrogate person alone and find their issues before going any further. Hydrate both the surrogate and the patient for a good connection. Then tell the the surrogate to keep his thoughts more blank and not be thinking confusion for the patient's condition. Thoughts can change the test. There are both physical and metal issues that can change this test, along with the doctors thoughts. Good luck. I believe it take many years of experience to understand how muscle testing works and the problems with it. However, it does work. I do know that many people do not believe, unless they get it done to them by an experienced muscle tester. I find many doctors shoove (shove) the arm or muscle being tested to hard, because they expect the outcome to be a certain way. They over power the

person being tested. It also is a problem, especially Surrogate testing in a court of law or trying to describe this for any legal purposes. Better to use standard testing and evaluation for any legal purposes and these other tests only for the doctors evaluations. I never put in my notes direct statements that my muscle testing is how I came to the diagnosis. 25 years of writing notes with muscle testing experience I do not throw my pearls amoung those that do not understand.

From: Sharron Fuchs <sharronftdinjurylaw>Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 1:24 PM

Can you assume that the patient and surrogate are ‘linked’ or do you have to meditate together or some other process and then test for the linkage ie EEG testing of each person? I was visiting with Dr. Freeman a few weeks ago and I asked him ‘ What if I don’t like the person?’ What I meant by that is can emotion or some other process interfere with your ability to read or interpret what ever you are asking or looking for? Or do you just turn in to a robot testing machine and not allow human nuance into it?

s. fuchs dc

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of S. FeinbergSent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:59 PM' S. Feinberg'; MekaAbouaol; mdejanadcgmail; Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Someone sent me a question off line about surrogate testing and I thought I would offer these thoughts to any of you “think outside the box” types.

Surrogate testing simply means that the patient is not muscle tested directly. Instead, either a third party who is with the practitioner is used to monitor the muscle response test result, or that the practitioner him/herself does a self test as a surrogate for the patient. This may seem quite odd to anyone who has not had experience with this sort of thing or who attempts to understand such an evaluation in terms of some direct neuromuscular reflex arising within the patient. It doesn’t make sense in those terms. To understand muscle response testing generally, and surrogate muscle response testing specifically you have to dispense with that notion. It has nothing to do with it. Instead, this has to do with the “other than conscious” mental linkage that occurs with all people who hold the intention

to relate to one another for some purpose. I’ll explain. Dean Radin, Ph.D. reports the research documenting this phenomenon in his book “Entangled Minds” and there is a lot of other research supporting this. In the research Radin documents, pairs of research subject unknown previously to one another we brought together, hooked up to EEG monitoring devices. Their EEG tracings were dissimilar. They were then asked to meditate together for 15 minutes after which it was noted that their EEG tracings became synchronous. They were then separated and put in Faraday caged, light and sound proof rooms. One subject was exposed to a strobe light and the EEG of course demonstrated the corresponding activity in the occipital cortex. What is telling is that the other subject isolated as described above demonstrated exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the same time as the one who received the light

stimulation.

So, this demonstrates that a non-electromagnetic linkage of mind occurs between people. An important thing here is the subjects were induced to enter a state of quantum entanglement by the intention to meditate together. Similarly, when patient and practitioner come together with the shared intention of a healing interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there is certain information relevant to the therapeutic interaction that becomes shared just as shared documents become available to computers on the same network (even though all documents and information will not be shared). When you look at it from this perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a neuromuscular reflex in the patient. Instead, the muscle response in the surrogate or self-surrogate is seen as an “external indicator” of information that is

already known at a subconscious level to both parties and it brings that information to conscious mind awareness. As with the research reported by Radin, contact or immediate physical proximity of the subject is not necessary in surrogate testing. Presence in this context is not about physical proximity.

This same phenomenon happens all the time in conventional chiropractic but is generally not understood and misinterpreted as some sort of neuromuscular reflex. Activator technique testing is a great example. The leg length responses are the reaction of the patient to the other than conscious query based upon the metaphorical model taught in Activator technique of what is meant by the various physical strokes, brushings, and other cues given to the body. That meaning and the response that would correlate with the patient’s body’s perception of it physical condition is understood subconsciously by the patient’s mind-body and the leg length change reveals the body’s answer in the context of the Activator model held in mind by the practitioner. The same is true of the arm-fossa tests in SOT. They have nothing to

do with hard wired neurology.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: @grou ps.com [mailto:] On Behalf Of S. FeinbergSent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PMMekaAbouaol (DOT) com; mdejanadcgmail (DOT) com; @grou ps.comSubject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi Don,

Yes, it is surrogate testing. A few people, typically other health care practitioner and not patients, have a bit of a challenge in understanding muscle response testing generally and surrogate testing specifically. I usually refer them to the book “Entangled Minds” by physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the science of quantum entanglement behind this linkage that makes direct or indirect (surrogate) muscle response testing possible. I now work about 50% of the time in my Oregon office and about 50% in my Mexico City office where I do NMT only and virtually all of that work is remote with people from all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Latin America. Obviously, they are all not only tested in a surrogate manner, but all the work is done on a remote basis and the results are excellent and

identical to what we see for in-office treatment. When you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote testing, and in the world of non-locality there is no difference between a little remote or a lot remote. Either there is an effect mediated by contact with the patient, or there isn’t and if there is no physical contact, then as they say, “a miss is as good as a mile”. I just finished treating a young electrical engineer who works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of weeks ago and could barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded only slight and temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session last week he was immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session, he was virtually pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT session. Care for this low back condition was actually a sidetrack from the other distance NMT care he has received in the past 2

months. This fellow has such severe spring time environmental allergies that he requires shots of steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy medications. After about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms and will probably have just a few more sessions to arrive at the point that the NMT system metrics I check for him demonstrate full resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: MekaAbouaol (DOT) com [mailto:MekaAbou@ aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PMfeinbergnmt (DOT) md; mdejanadcgmail (DOT) com; @grou ps.comSubject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Les,

How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year old in your technique ? Is it surrogate?

Don WHite, RN, DC

In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, feinbergnmt (DOT) md writes:

Error! Cannot read or display file.Error! Cannot read or display file.

Hi ,

I recommend that you refer the patient to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic infection cases respond beautifully and routinely with NMT which is safe and non-invasive.

To understand more about NMT please check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt. md/RadioIntervie wFullpage. cfm link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciou smedianetwork. com/members/ lfeinberg. htm link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT website: www.nmt.md

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: @grou ps.com [mailto:] On Behalf Of DeJanaSent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM@grou ps.comSubject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons. I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms. I have seen her

twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.Thank you in advance for your time! DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

I have no idea if this is the general consensus of the group but I do think it is a light discussion of other techniques. I don't understand it myself so I have to ask questions as to how others think something works. That is all. Some will always be on the edge and only time, research and peer reviewed published papers will tell us if they are on the cutting edge or just wacky. s. fuchs dcSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 17, 2010, at 10:08 AM, " Snell" <drpsnell@...> wrote: OK, I'm hoping that what I'm reading on this thread is not representative of the general feelings of the group. My 2 cents is that this type of treatment should be relegated to the scrap heap of Toftness, etc in OR. I can't sit by and read this, knowing that there are new DCs on the list and recent arrivals to OR who are framing their opinion of how their profession is practiced here. One of the hardest things I experience in practice daily is gaining the trust of patients who have been exposed to this type of BS and now lump all DCs together as proponents and practitioners of this type of stuff. For those who typically email me off list with supportive tones when I voice my opinion like this, thanks, but please bring your sentiments into the open forum here so that your silence is not viewed as general acceptance of this stuff. If I'm the odd one out, and the community truly supports this, then I'll go play elsewhere. Enjoy your Saturday! W. Snell,D.C. Director, Solutions Sports & Spine, Inc at Hawthorne Wellness Center3942 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Portland, OR 97214 Ph. 503-235-5484 Fax 503-235-3956drpsnell.chiroweb.comwww.fixyourownback.comMember,American College of Sports MedicineAssoc. Member, International Society of Clinical Rehabilitation Specialists From: docwiese7 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:45:41 -0700Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies GRAMMER CORRECTION: I loved the explanation of surrogate testing you gave and will save this for others to read that come to my office when I need to explain it. It is hard to explain and I have had to use it when there is no other means. I do find there are issues though with this type of testing. I find that if I have a predetermined idea of what the out come is this affects the outcome. Second, we are introducing another person into this equation, which picks up his or her thoughts and body issue. We might assume it is the one we are testing and it turns out it is the person we are using. Third, if either the person we need to test or the one we are using are dehydrated it will through (throw) the test. There are many issues thatcan interfere. I find it is better to test the surrogate person alone and find their issues before going any further. Hydrate both the surrogate and the patient for a good connection. Then tell the the surrogate to keep his thoughts more blank and not be thinking confusion for the patient's condition. Thoughts can change the test. There are both physical and metal issues that can change this test, along with the doctors thoughts. Good luck. I believe it take many years of experience to understand how muscle testing works and the problems with it. However, it does work. I do know that many people do not believe, unless they get it done to them by an experienced muscle tester. I find many doctors shoove (shove) the arm or muscle being tested to hard, because they expect the outcome to be a certain way. They over power theperson being tested. It also is a problem, especially Surrogate testing in a court of law or trying to describe this for any legal purposes. Better to use standard testing and evaluation for any legal purposes and these other tests only for the doctors evaluations. I never put in my notes direct statements that my muscle testing is how I came to the diagnosis. 25 years of writing notes with muscle testing experience I do not throw my pearls amoung those that do not understand.From: Sharron Fuchs <sharronftdinjurylaw>Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 1:24 PMCan you assume that the patient and surrogate are ‘linked’ or do you have to meditate together or some other process and then test for the linkage ie EEG testing of each person? I was visiting with Dr. Freeman a few weeks ago and I asked him ‘ What if I don’t like the person?’ What I meant by that is can emotion or some other process interfere with your ability to read or interpret what ever you are asking or looking for? Or do you just turn in to a robot testing machine and not allow human nuance into it? s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of S. FeinbergSent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:59 PM' S. Feinberg'; MekaAbouaol; mdejanadcgmail; Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Someone sent me a question off line about surrogate testing and I thought I would offer these thoughts to any of you “think outside the box†types. Surrogate testing simply means that the patient is not muscle tested directly. Instead, either a third party who is with the practitioner is used to monitor the muscle response test result, or that the practitioner him/herself does a self test as a surrogate for the patient. This may seem quite odd to anyone who has not had experience with this sort of thing or who attempts to understand such an evaluation in terms of some direct neuromuscular reflex arising within the patient. It doesn’t make sense in those terms. To understand muscle response testing generally, and surrogate muscle response testing specifically you have to dispense with that notion. It has nothing to do with it. Instead, this has to do with the “other than conscious†mental linkage that occurs with all people who hold the intentionto relate to one another for some purpose. I’ll explain. Dean Radin, Ph.D. reports the research documenting this phenomenon in his book “Entangled Minds†and there is a lot of other research supporting this. In the research Radin documents, pairs of research subject unknown previously to one another we brought together, hooked up to EEG monitoring devices. Their EEG tracings were dissimilar. They were then asked to meditate together for 15 minutes after which it was noted that their EEG tracings became synchronous. They were then separated and put in Faraday caged, light and sound proof rooms. One subject was exposed to a strobe light and the EEG of course demonstrated the corresponding activity in the occipital cortex. What is telling is that the other subject isolated as described above demonstrated exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the same time as the one who received the lightstimulation. So, this demonstrates that a non-electromagnetic linkage of mind occurs between people. An important thing here is the subjects were induced to enter a state of quantum entanglement by the intention to meditate together. Similarly, when patient and practitioner come together with the shared intention of a healing interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there is certain information relevant to the therapeutic interaction that becomes shared just as shared documents become available to computers on the same network (even though all documents and information will not be shared). When you look at it from this perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a neuromuscular reflex in the patient. Instead, the muscle response in the surrogate or self-surrogate is seen as an “external indicator†of information that isalready known at a subconscious level to both parties and it brings that information to conscious mind awareness. As with the research reported by Radin, contact or immediate physical proximity of the subject is not necessary in surrogate testing. Presence in this context is not about physical proximity. This same phenomenon happens all the time in conventional chiropractic but is generally not understood and misinterpreted as some sort of neuromuscular reflex. Activator technique testing is a great example. The leg length responses are the reaction of the patient to the other than conscious query based upon the metaphorical model taught in Activator technique of what is meant by the various physical strokes, brushings, and other cues given to the body. That meaning and the response that would correlate with the patient’s body’s perception of it physical condition is understood subconsciously by the patient’s mind-body and the leg length change reveals the body’s answer in the context of the Activator model held in mind by the practitioner. The same is true of the arm-fossa tests in SOT. They have nothing todo with hard wired neurology. S. Feinberg, D.C. From: @grou ps.com [mailto:] On Behalf Of S. FeinbergSent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PMMekaAbouaol (DOT) com; mdejanadcgmail (DOT) com; @grou ps.comSubject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Hi Don, Yes, it is surrogate testing. A few people, typically other health care practitioner and not patients, have a bit of a challenge in understanding muscle response testing generally and surrogate testing specifically. I usually refer them to the book “Entangled Minds†by physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the science of quantum entanglement behind this linkage that makes direct or indirect (surrogate) muscle response testing possible. I now work about 50% of the time in my Oregon office and about 50% in my Mexico City office where I do NMT only and virtually all of that work is remote with people from all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Latin America. Obviously, they are all not only tested in a surrogate manner, but all the work is done on a remote basis and the results are excellent andidentical to what we see for in-office treatment. When you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote testing, and in the world of non-locality there is no difference between a little remote or a lot remote. Either there is an effect mediated by contact with the patient, or there isn’t and if there is no physical contact, then as they say, “a miss is as good as a mileâ€. I just finished treating a young electrical engineer who works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of weeks ago and could barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded only slight and temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session last week he was immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session, he was virtually pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT session. Care for this low back condition was actually a sidetrack from the other distance NMT care he has received in the past 2months. This fellow has such severe spring time environmental allergies that he requires shots of steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy medications. After about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms and will probably have just a few more sessions to arrive at the point that the NMT system metrics I check for him demonstrate full resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy. S. Feinberg, D.C. From: MekaAbouaol (DOT) com [mailto:MekaAbou@ aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PMfeinbergnmt (DOT) md; mdejanadcgmail (DOT) com; @grou ps.comSubject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Les, How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year old in your technique ? Is it surrogate?Don WHite, RN, DC In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, feinbergnmt (DOT) md writes:Error! Cannot read or display file.Error! Cannot read or display file. Hi ,I recommend that you refer the patient to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic infection cases respond beautifully and routinely with NMT which is safe and non-invasive.To understand more about NMT please check out these interviews:http://www.nmt. md/RadioIntervie wFullpage. cfm link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009http://www.consciou smedianetwork. com/members/ lfeinberg. htm link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007NMT website: www.nmt.md S. Feinberg, D.C.From: @grou ps.com [mailto:] On Behalf Of DeJanaSent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM@grou ps.comSubject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons. I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms. I have seen hertwice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.Thank you in advance for your time! DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

Hi Herb,

I was just listening to Bruce Lipton’s “Wisdom of

the Cell” CDs while on a long drive last night. You echo (fractally

reiterate) his theme of the role of subconscious programming that serves to

rule in or rule out what is possible, permissible, deserved, and valid setting

up the conscious mind to explore and enjoy only a limited bandwidth of an

infinite spectrum of possibilities. In chiropractic, other health care

professions, whole other industries, this subconscious programming of the sort

that allows for constricted or expanded possibilities for the developing child,

exists at the higher level of organization within professional and business

communities and either allows them to be open to growth and development in

response to a changing environment in which they exist , or causes them to

become irrelevant and ineffectual. They either see themselves as

empowered with the creative forces of the universe or they see themselves the

victims limited and constrained definitions of who they are leading to very

different paths of development. I agree that a paradigm shift of major

proportions would have to occur within our “natural health universities”

for them to break free of, not roles limited by the founders of our profession,

but intentionally and willfully atrophied over the years by small minded people

of limited vision who perverted the genius with which our profession was first

envisioned.

I’m reminded to in thinking about Lipton’s lecture

in light of this conversation of the contrast he made between Lamarck’s

vitalistic explanation of evolution and change in species and Darwin’s

mostly plagiarized and devitalized mechanistic vision of evolution came to

vogue – stolen ideas with the life sucked out of them. Again the

idea of fractal reiteration of pattern. Feels a lot like what we are

seeing in our “natural health universities”. The skeleton of

the profession is there but all the juices have been sucked out and the

connection to innate intelligence that inspired the birth of the profession was

long ago pruned away leaving a dry, lifeless mechanism out of sync with the

pulse of change in world. I think any change in this paradigm would

require a grass roots revolution in which the students of these “natural

health universities”, the only ones with the means, motive, and

opportunity to create such change, simply demand it and pressure these

institutions to rehabilitate themselves. $$$$ talk and students are the ones

who control access to the $$$$ these institutions need to survive.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of BERNICE

FREEMAN

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 7:24 AM

Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi Les,

Conversely if one attends a

school at which the curriculum is one of a restricted vision (

chiropractic is only of value for strains & sprains, the

manipulation can only do so much ) the young student

will have implanted in his mind a limited concept of his role in

the healing community. This type of D.C. will spend his/her career

constantly searching for alternative methods to accomplish what they

believe is beyond their clinical skills and will

always believe that they are second rate practitioners.

All told if this were to change

it would call for a paradigm shift in the curriculum that is

currently being taught at our " natural health universities " .

Herb Freeman D.C.

From: S. Feinberg

'Sharron

Fuchs' ;

Sent: Saturday, April 17,

2010 12:07 AM

Subject: RE:

2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi Sharon,

Agreement, intention, and belief are

always part of the equation. The use of EEG is not ever part of a typical

clinical arrangement and I referred to it only because it was used to document

the underlying phenomenon of entanglement and mental connectivity. Human

nuance is of course involved in every clinical interface. All that is

required for consistent results with surrogate testing is an experienced and

skilled practitioner, and the agreement and intention of the practitioner,

patient, and surrogate to enter into this collaboration for the expressed purpose

of helping the patient. Obviously, just as in any human

" conversation " if one party does not want to engage, they don't

engage (I can't HEEEEEAAAAR you!). The NMT muscle response protocol has

numerous safeguards and checks to make sure that this feedback is working

properly and working properly means that the practitioner is getting responses

that reflect the patient's mind-body perception of its internal state.

Someone may say, " Well, that isn't objective information. "

My response is quite simple. What information does the mind-body base its

physiological decisions on other than its perception of its internal

state. The answer is nothing else!

Jim used to talk a lot about FCB

- faith, confidence, and belief as critical to the successful application of

conventional chiropractic. The practitioner's intention, and the

conveyance of that information contained in this intention is always part of

every chiropractic visit and adjustment. It is one reason why people of

similar technical expertise in chiropractic get consistently different quality

of results with the same techniques on similar patients/cases. Think

about HIO work. The metaphor held in the mind of the practitioner, the

opening of the gateway at the atlas to universal intelligence and the

permission and access to healing is a very strong metaphorical model of

informational medicine. Does anyone really believe that the great results

upper cervical specialists get in wide ranging cases is truly the result of

precisely positioning the atlas with tiny little vibratory thrusts???

Right, and then the patient goes out and plays football. Ha! Anyone

who thinks chiropractic, however it is practiced is all about body

mechanics has missed the boat. That is only a piece of the equation.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron

Fuchs

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:25 PM

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Can you assume that the patient and

surrogate are 'linked' or do you have to meditate together or some other

process and then test for the linkage ie EEG testing of each person? I was

visiting with Dr. Freeman a few weeks ago and I asked him ' What if I don't

like the person?' What I meant by that is can emotion or some other process

interfere with your ability to read or interpret what ever you are asking or

looking for? Or do you just turn in to a robot testing machine and not allow

human nuance into it?

s. fuchs dc

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

S. Feinberg

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:59 PM

' S. Feinberg'; MekaAbou@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Someone sent me a question off line

about surrogate testing and I thought I would offer these thoughts to any of

you " think outside the box " types.

Surrogate testing simply means that the

patient is not muscle tested directly. Instead, either a third party who

is with the practitioner is used to monitor the muscle response test result, or

that the practitioner him/herself does a self test as a surrogate for the

patient. This may seem quite odd to anyone who has not had experience

with this sort of thing or who attempts to understand such an evaluation in

terms of some direct neuromuscular reflex arising within the patient. It

doesn't make sense in those terms. To understand muscle response testing

generally, and surrogate muscle response testing specifically you have to

dispense with that notion. It has nothing to do with it. Instead,

this has to do with the " other than conscious " mental linkage that occurs

with all people who hold the intention to relate to one another for some

purpose. I'll explain. Dean Radin, Ph.D. reports the research

documenting this phenomenon in his book " Entangled Minds " and there

is a lot of other research supporting this. In the research Radin

documents, pairs of research subject unknown previously to one another we

brought together, hooked up to EEG monitoring devices. Their EEG tracings

were dissimilar. They were then asked to meditate together for 15 minutes

after which it was noted that their EEG tracings became synchronous. They

were then separated and put in Faraday caged, light and sound proof

rooms. One subject was exposed to a strobe light and the EEG of course

demonstrated the corresponding activity in the occipital cortex. What is

telling is that the other subject isolated as described above demonstrated

exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the same time as the one who

received the light stimulation.

So, this demonstrates that a

non-electromagnetic linkage of mind occurs between people. An important

thing here is the subjects were induced to enter a state of quantum

entanglement by the intention to meditate together. Similarly, when

patient and practitioner come together with the shared intention of a healing interaction,

a similar linkage occurs and there is certain information relevant to the

therapeutic interaction that becomes shared just as shared documents become

available to computers on the same network (even though all documents and

information will not be shared). When you look at it from this

perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a neuromuscular reflex in the

patient. Instead, the muscle response in the surrogate or self-surrogate

is seen as an " external indicator " of information that is already

known at a subconscious level to both parties and it brings that information to

conscious mind awareness. As with the research reported by Radin, contact

or immediate physical proximity of the subject is not necessary in surrogate

testing. Presence in this context is not about physical proximity.

This same phenomenon happens all the

time in conventional chiropractic but is generally not understood and

misinterpreted as some sort of neuromuscular reflex. Activator technique

testing is a great example. The leg length responses are the reaction of

the patient to the other than conscious query based upon the metaphorical model

taught in Activator technique of what is meant by the various physical strokes,

brushings, and other cues given to the body. That meaning and the

response that would correlate with the patient's body's perception of it

physical condition is understood subconsciously by the patient's mind-body and

the leg length change reveals the body's answer in the context of the Activator

model held in mind by the practitioner. The same is true of the arm-fossa

tests in SOT. They have nothing to do with hard wired neurology.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

S. Feinberg

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PM

MekaAbou@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi Don,

Yes, it is surrogate testing. A

few people, typically other health care practitioner and not patients, have a

bit of a challenge in understanding muscle response testing generally and

surrogate testing specifically. I usually refer them to the book

" Entangled Minds " by physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the

science of quantum entanglement behind this linkage that makes direct or

indirect (surrogate) muscle response testing possible. I now work about

50% of the time in my Oregon office and about 50% in my Mexico City office

where I do NMT only and virtually all of that work is remote with people from

all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Latin America.

Obviously, they are all not only tested in a surrogate manner, but all the work

is done on a remote basis and the results are excellent and identical to what

we see for in-office treatment. When you think about it, all surrogate

testing is remote testing, and in the world of non-locality there is no

difference between a little remote or a lot remote. Either there is an

effect mediated by contact with the patient, or there isn't and if there is no

physical contact, then as they say, " a miss is as good as a

mile " . I just finished treating a young electrical engineer who

works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of weeks ago and could

barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded only slight and

temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session last week he was

immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session, he was virtually

pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT session.

Care for this low back condition was actually a sidetrack from the other

distance NMT care he has received in the past 2 months. This fellow has

such severe spring time environmental allergies that he requires shots of

steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy medications. After

about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is absolutely free of spring time

allergy symptoms and will probably have just a few more sessions to arrive at

the point that the NMT system metrics I check for him demonstrate full

resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate stuff in skilled hands is

the real McCoy.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

MekaAbou@... [mailto:MekaAbou@...]

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PM

feinberg@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Les,

How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year

old in your technique ? Is it surrogate?

Don WHite, RN, DC

In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M.

Pacific Daylight Time, feinberg@... writes:

Error! Cannot read or display file.Error!

Cannot read or display file.

Hi ,

I recommend that you refer the patient

to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the

NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic

infection cases respond beautifully and routinely with NMT which is safe and

non-invasive.

To understand more about NMT please

check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.md/RadioInterviewFullpage.cfm

link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lfeinberg.htm

link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT website: www.nmt.md

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of DeJana

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM

Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind

enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be

over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered

from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing

for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her

mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She

also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is

constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her

insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope.

She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in

bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line

could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and

cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal

and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

So: Les & Herb: the question comes up: how do you teach/inspire/motivate/stimulate those as-yet-uneducated students to ask the questions that would provoke change from the somulent bear of a university?

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7CEugene, Oregon, 97401541- 654-0850; Fx; 541- 654-0834www.drsunnykierstyn.com

hbf4747@...; Oregondcs From: feinberg@...Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:46:27 -0700Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi Herb,

I was just listening to Bruce Lipton’s “Wisdom of the Cell” CDs while on a long drive last night. You echo (fractally reiterate) his theme of the role of subconscious programming that serves to rule in or rule out what is possible, permissible, deserved, and valid setting up the conscious mind to explore and enjoy only a limited bandwidth of an infinite spectrum of possibilities. In chiropractic, other health care professions, whole other industries, this subconscious programming of the sort that allows for constricted or expanded possibilities for the developing child, exists at the higher level of organization within professional and business communities and either allows them to be open to growth and development in response to a changing environment in which they exist , or causes them to become irrelevant and ineffectual. They either see themselves as empowered with the creative forces of the universe or they see themselves the victims limited and constrained definitions of who they are leading to very different paths of development. I agree that a paradigm shift of major proportions would have to occur within our “natural health universities” for them to break free of, not roles limited by the founders of our profession, but intentionally and willfully atrophied over the years by small minded people of limited vision who perverted the genius with which our profession was first envisioned.

I’m reminded to in thinking about Lipton’s lecture in light of this conversation of the contrast he made between Lamarck’s vitalistic explanation of evolution and change in species and Darwin’s mostly plagiarized and devitalized mechanistic vision of evolution came to vogue – stolen ideas with the life sucked out of them. Again the idea of fractal reiteration of pattern. Feels a lot like what we are seeing in our “natural health universities”. The skeleton of the profession is there but all the juices have been sucked out and the connection to innate intelligence that inspired the birth of the profession was long ago pruned away leaving a dry, lifeless mechanism out of sync with the pulse of change in world. I think any change in this paradigm would require a grass roots revolution in which the students of these “natural health universities”, the only ones with the means, motive, and opportunity to create such change, simply demand it and pressure these institutions to rehabilitate themselves. $$$$ talk and students are the ones who control access to the $$$$ these institutions need to survive.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of BERNICE FREEMANSent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 7:24 AMSubject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi Les,

Conversely if one attends a school at which the curriculum is one of a restricted vision ( chiropractic is only of value for strains & sprains, the manipulation can only do so much ) the young student will have implanted in his mind a limited concept of his role in the healing community. This type of D.C. will spend his/her career constantly searching for alternative methods to accomplish what they believe is beyond their clinical skills and will always believe that they are second rate practitioners.

All told if this were to change it would call for a paradigm shift in the curriculum that is currently being taught at our "natural health universities".

Herb Freeman D.C.

From: S. Feinberg

'Sharron Fuchs' ;

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:07 AM

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi Sharon,

Agreement, intention, and belief are always part of the equation. The use of EEG is not ever part of a typical clinical arrangement and I referred to it only because it was used to document the underlying phenomenon of entanglement and mental connectivity. Human nuance is of course involved in every clinical interface. All that is required for consistent results with surrogate testing is an experienced and skilled practitioner, and the agreement and intention of the practitioner, patient, and surrogate to enter into this collaboration for the expressed purpose of helping the patient. Obviously, just as in any human "conversation" if one party does not want to engage, they don't engage (I can't HEEEEEAAAAR you!). The NMT muscle response protocol has numerous safeguards and checks to make sure that this feedback is working properly and working properly means that the practitioner is getting responses that reflect the patient's mind-body perception of its internal state. Someone may say, "Well, that isn't objective information." My response is quite simple. What information does the mind-body base its physiological decisions on other than its perception of its internal state. The answer is nothing else!

Jim used to talk a lot about FCB - faith, confidence, and belief as critical to the successful application of conventional chiropractic. The practitioner's intention, and the conveyance of that information contained in this intention is always part of every chiropractic visit and adjustment. It is one reason why people of similar technical expertise in chiropractic get consistently different quality of results with the same techniques on similar patients/cases. Think about HIO work. The metaphor held in the mind of the practitioner, the opening of the gateway at the atlas to universal intelligence and the permission and access to healing is a very strong metaphorical model of informational medicine. Does anyone really believe that the great results upper cervical specialists get in wide ranging cases is truly the result of precisely positioning the atlas with tiny little vibratory thrusts??? Right, and then the patient goes out and plays football. Ha! Anyone who thinks chiropractic, however it is practiced is all about body mechanics has missed the boat. That is only a piece of the equation.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron FuchsSent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Can you assume that the patient and surrogate are 'linked' or do you have to meditate together or some other process and then test for the linkage ie EEG testing of each person? I was visiting with Dr. Freeman a few weeks ago and I asked him ' What if I don't like the person?' What I meant by that is can emotion or some other process interfere with your ability to read or interpret what ever you are asking or looking for? Or do you just turn in to a robot testing machine and not allow human nuance into it?

s. fuchs dc

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of S. FeinbergSent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:59 PM' S. Feinberg'; MekaAbouaol; mdejanadcgmail; Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Someone sent me a question off line about surrogate testing and I thought I would offer these thoughts to any of you "think outside the box" types.

Surrogate testing simply means that the patient is not muscle tested directly. Instead, either a third party who is with the practitioner is used to monitor the muscle response test result, or that the practitioner him/herself does a self test as a surrogate for the patient. This may seem quite odd to anyone who has not had experience with this sort of thing or who attempts to understand such an evaluation in terms of some direct neuromuscular reflex arising within the patient. It doesn't make sense in those terms. To understand muscle response testing generally, and surrogate muscle response testing specifically you have to dispense with that notion. It has nothing to do with it. Instead, this has to do with the "other than conscious" mental linkage that occurs with all people who hold the intention to relate to one another for some purpose. I'll explain. Dean Radin, Ph.D. reports the research documenting this phenomenon in his book "Entangled Minds" and there is a lot of other research supporting this. In the research Radin documents, pairs of research subject unknown previously to one another we brought together, hooked up to EEG monitoring devices. Their EEG tracings were dissimilar. They were then asked to meditate together for 15 minutes after which it was noted that their EEG tracings became synchronous. They were then separated and put in Faraday caged, light and sound proof rooms. One subject was exposed to a strobe light and the EEG of course demonstrated the corresponding activity in the occipital cortex. What is telling is that the other subject isolated as described above demonstrated exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the same time as the one who received the light stimulation.

So, this demonstrates that a non-electromagnetic linkage of mind occurs between people. An important thing here is the subjects were induced to enter a state of quantum entanglement by the intention to meditate together. Similarly, when patient and practitioner come together with the shared intention of a healing interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there is certain information relevant to the therapeutic interaction that becomes shared just as shared documents become available to computers on the same network (even though all documents and information will not be shared). When you look at it from this perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a neuromuscular reflex in the patient. Instead, the muscle response in the surrogate or self-surrogate is seen as an "external indicator" of information that is already known at a subconscious level to both parties and it brings that information to conscious mind awareness. As with the research reported by Radin, contact or immediate physical proximity of the subject is not necessary in surrogate testing. Presence in this context is not about physical proximity.

This same phenomenon happens all the time in conventional chiropractic but is generally not understood and misinterpreted as some sort of neuromuscular reflex. Activator technique testing is a great example. The leg length responses are the reaction of the patient to the other than conscious query based upon the metaphorical model taught in Activator technique of what is meant by the various physical strokes, brushings, and other cues given to the body. That meaning and the response that would correlate with the patient's body's perception of it physical condition is understood subconsciously by the patient's mind-body and the leg length change reveals the body's answer in the context of the Activator model held in mind by the practitioner. The same is true of the arm-fossa tests in SOT. They have nothing to do with hard wired neurology.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of S. FeinbergSent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PMMekaAbouaol; mdejanadcgmail; Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi Don,

Yes, it is surrogate testing. A few people, typically other health care practitioner and not patients, have a bit of a challenge in understanding muscle response testing generally and surrogate testing specifically. I usually refer them to the book "Entangled Minds" by physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the science of quantum entanglement behind this linkage that makes direct or indirect (surrogate) muscle response testing possible. I now work about 50% of the time in my Oregon office and about 50% in my Mexico City office where I do NMT only and virtually all of that work is remote with people from all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Latin America. Obviously, they are all not only tested in a surrogate manner, but all the work is done on a remote basis and the results are excellent and identical to what we see for in-office treatment. When you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote testing, and in the world of non-locality there is no difference between a little remote or a lot remote. Either there is an effect mediated by contact with the patient, or there isn't and if there is no physical contact, then as they say, "a miss is as good as a mile". I just finished treating a young electrical engineer who works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of weeks ago and could barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded only slight and temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session last week he was immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session, he was virtually pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT session. Care for this low back condition was actually a sidetrack from the other distance NMT care he has received in the past 2 months. This fellow has such severe spring time environmental allergies that he requires shots of steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy medications. After about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms and will probably have just a few more sessions to arrive at the point that the NMT system metrics I check for him demonstrate full resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: MekaAbouaol [mailto:MekaAbouaol] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PMfeinbergnmt (DOT) md; mdejanadcgmail; Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Les,

How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year old in your technique ? Is it surrogate?

Don WHite, RN, DC

In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, feinbergnmt (DOT) md writes:

Error! Cannot read or display file.Error! Cannot read or display file.

Hi ,

I recommend that you refer the patient to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic infection cases respond beautifully and routinely with NMT which is safe and non-invasive.

To understand more about NMT please check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.md/RadioInterviewFullpage.cfm link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lfeinberg.htm link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT website: www.nmt.md

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of DeJanaSent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons. I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms. I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.Thank you in advance for your time! DeJana, DC

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[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Phil,

Please see my previous responses to your posts from the last go

around in which you blasted the vitalistic wing of chiropractic from your

causal, dualistic, mechanistic, ignorant, pompous, and self-righteous

pedestal. I wouldn’t waste the time to respond further to you again as my

comments to you would be precisely the same as they were a couple of years ago

when similar topics were discussed.

I respect that you do good work for your patients and have

learned well the various stretch, pop, zap, tape, grunt, and buzz mechanistic

methods that you employ and that they produce results in a reasonable

percentage of the cases you treat and that your patients love you and what you

do. I would just ask (but never expect from someone like you) the same

level of respect for those of us who use vitalistic chiropractic

approaches. Instead, what I hear is a guy who would like to stage a

Chiropractic Crystalnacht and have jackbooted thugs breaking down doors in the

middle of the night to confiscate and burn books and apparatus that don’t

correspond to the party line. The chiropractic tent is a big one with

plenty of room for many philosophies of treatment. What we don’t need are

chiropractic Nazis who want to suppress everyone else.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron

Fuchs

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 10:29 AM

Snell

Cc: oregon dc listserve

Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

I have no idea if this is the general consensus of the group

but I do think it is a light discussion of other techniques. I don't

understand it myself so I have to ask questions as to how others think

something works. That is all. Some will always be on the edge and only time,

research and peer reviewed published papers will tell us if they are on the

cutting edge or just wacky.

s. fuchs dc

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2010, at 10:08 AM, " Snell " <drpsnell@...> wrote:

OK, I'm hoping that what I'm reading on this

thread is not representative of the general feelings of the group. My 2

cents is that this type of treatment should be relegated to the scrap heap of

Toftness, etc in OR. I can't sit by and read this, knowing that there are

new DCs on the list and recent arrivals to OR who are framing their opinion of

how their profession is practiced here. One of the hardest things I

experience in practice daily is gaining the trust of patients who have been

exposed to this type of BS and now lump all DCs together as proponents and

practitioners of this type of stuff. For those who typically email me off

list with supportive tones when I voice my opinion like this, thanks, but

please bring your sentiments into the open forum here so that your silence is

not viewed as general acceptance of this stuff. If I'm the odd one out,

and the community truly supports this, then I'll go play elsewhere. Enjoy

your Saturday!

W. Snell, D.C.

Director, Solutions Sports & Spine, Inc

at Hawthorne Wellness Center

3942 SE Hawthorne Blvd.

Portland, OR 97214

Ph. 503-235-5484

Fax 503-235-3956

drpsnell.chiroweb.com

www.fixyourownback.com

Member, American College of Sports Medicine

Assoc. Member, International Society of Clinical Rehabilitation Specialists

From: docwiese7@...

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:45:41 -0700

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

GRAMMER CORRECTION: I loved the explanation of

surrogate testing you gave and will save this for others to read that

come to my office when I need to explain it. It is hard to explain and

I have had to use it when there is no other means. I do find there

are issues though with this type of testing. I find that if I have a

predetermined idea of what the out come is this affects the

outcome. Second, we are introducing another person into this equation,

which picks up his or her thoughts and body issue. We might

assume it is the one we are testing and it turns out it is the person we are

using. Third, if either the person we need to test or the one

we are using are dehydrated it will through (throw) the test. There are

many issues that can interfere. I find it is better to test the surrogate

person alone and find their issues before going any

further. Hydrate both the surrogate and the patient for a

good connection. Then tell the the surrogate to keep his thoughts more blank

and not be thinking confusion for the patient's

condition. Thoughts can change the test. There are both

physical and metal issues that can change this test, along with the doctors

thoughts. Good luck. I believe it take many years of

experience to understand how muscle testing works and the problems with

it. However, it does work. I do know that many people do not believe,

unless they get it done to them by an experienced muscle tester. I

find many doctors shoove (shove) the

arm or muscle being tested to hard, because they expect the outcome to be a

certain way. They over power the person being

tested. It also is a problem, especially Surrogate testing

in a court of law or trying to describe this for any legal purposes.

Better to use standard testing and evaluation for any legal

purposes and these other tests only for the doctors evaluations. I

never put in my notes direct statements that my muscle testing is how I came

to the diagnosis. 25 years of writing notes with muscle

testing experience I do not throw my pearls amoung those that do not

understand.

From: Sharron Fuchs <sharronf@...>

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 1:24 PM

Can you assume that the patient and surrogate are ‘linked’ or do

you have to meditate together or some other process and then test for the

linkage ie EEG testing of each person? I was visiting with Dr. Freeman a few

weeks ago and I asked him ‘ What if I don’t like the person?’ What I meant by

that is can emotion or some other process interfere with your ability to read

or interpret what ever you are asking or looking for? Or do you just turn in

to a robot testing machine and not allow human nuance into it?

s. fuchs dc

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

S. Feinberg

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:59 PM

' S. Feinberg'; MekaAbou@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections

and allergies

Someone

sent me a question off line about surrogate testing and I thought I would

offer these thoughts to any of you “think outside the box†types.

Surrogate

testing simply means that the patient is not muscle tested directly.

Instead, either a third party who is with the practitioner is used to monitor

the muscle response test result, or that the practitioner him/herself does a

self test as a surrogate for the patient. This may seem quite odd to

anyone who has not had experience with this sort of thing or who attempts to

understand such an evaluation in terms of some direct neuromuscular reflex

arising within the patient. It doesn’t make sense in those terms.

To understand muscle response testing generally, and surrogate muscle

response testing specifically you have to dispense with that notion. It

has nothing to do with it. Instead, this has to do with the “other than

conscious†mental linkage that occurs with all people who hold the intention

to relate to one another for some purpose. I’ll explain. Dean

Radin, Ph.D. reports the research documenting this phenomenon in his book

“Entangled Minds†and there is a lot of other research supporting this.

In the research Radin documents, pairs of research subject unknown previously

to one another we brought together, hooked up to EEG monitoring devices.

Their EEG tracings were dissimilar. They were then asked to meditate

together for 15 minutes after which it was noted that their EEG tracings

became synchronous. They were then separated and put in Faraday caged,

light and sound proof rooms. One subject was exposed to a strobe light

and the EEG of course demonstrated the corresponding activity in the

occipital cortex. What is telling is that the other subject isolated as

described above demonstrated exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the same

time as the one who received the light stimulation.

So, this

demonstrates that a non-electromagnetic linkage of mind occurs between

people. An important thing here is the subjects were induced to enter a

state of quantum entanglement by the intention to meditate together.

Similarly, when patient and practitioner come together with the shared

intention of a healing interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there is

certain information relevant to the therapeutic interaction that becomes

shared just as shared documents become available to computers on the same

network (even though all documents and information will not be shared).

When you look at it from this perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a neuromuscular

reflex in the patient. Instead, the muscle response in the surrogate or

self-surrogate is seen as an “external indicator†of information that is

already known at a subconscious level to both parties and it brings that

information to conscious mind awareness. As with the research reported

by Radin, contact or immediate physical proximity of the subject is not

necessary in surrogate testing. Presence in this context is not about

physical proximity.

This same

phenomenon happens all the time in conventional chiropractic but is generally

not understood and misinterpreted as some sort of neuromuscular reflex.

Activator technique testing is a great example. The leg length

responses are the reaction of the patient to the other than conscious query

based upon the metaphorical model taught in Activator technique of what is

meant by the various physical strokes, brushings, and other cues given to the

body. That meaning and the response that would correlate with the

patient’s body’s perception of it physical condition is understood

subconsciously by the patient’s mind-body and the leg length change reveals

the body’s answer in the context of the Activator model held in mind by the

practitioner. The same is true of the arm-fossa tests in SOT. They have

nothing to do with hard wired neurology.

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From: @grou ps.com [mailto:@

groups. com] On Behalf Of S. Feinberg

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PM

MekaAbouaol (DOT) com; mdejanadcgmail (DOT) com; @grou

ps.com

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections

and allergies

Hi Don,

Yes, it is

surrogate testing. A few people, typically other health care

practitioner and not patients, have a bit of a challenge in understanding

muscle response testing generally and surrogate testing specifically. I

usually refer them to the book “Entangled Minds†by physicist Dean Radin, PhD

to understand the science of quantum entanglement behind this linkage that

makes direct or indirect (surrogate) muscle response testing possible.

I now work about 50% of the time in my Oregon office and about 50% in my

Mexico City office where I do NMT only and virtually all of that work is

remote with people from all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, and

Latin America. Obviously, they are all not only tested in a surrogate

manner, but all the work is done on a remote basis and the results are

excellent and identical to what we see for in-office treatment. When

you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote testing, and in the world

of non-locality there is no difference between a little remote or a lot

remote. Either there is an effect mediated by contact with the patient,

or there isn’t and if there is no physical contact, then as they say, “a miss

is as good as a mileâ€. I just finished treating a young electrical

engineer who works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of

weeks ago and could barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded

only slight and temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session

last week he was immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session,

he was virtually pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT

session. Care for this low back condition was actually a

sidetrack from the other distance NMT care he has received in the past 2

months. This fellow has such severe spring time environmental allergies

that he requires shots of steroids on top of a variety of prescription

allergy medications. After about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he

is absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms and will probably have

just a few more sessions to arrive at the point that the NMT system metrics I

check for him demonstrate full resolution of his condition. So, this

surrogate stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy.

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From: MekaAbouaol (DOT) com [mailto:MekaAbou@ aol.com]

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PM

feinbergnmt (DOT) md; mdejanadcgmail (DOT) com; @grou ps.com

Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections

and allergies

Les,

How do you

do muscle testing with a 2 year old in your technique ? Is it surrogate?

Don WHite,

RN, DC

In a message

dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, feinbergnmt (DOT) md writes:

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Hi ,

I

recommend that you refer the patient to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a

masterful practitioner of the NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy,

autoimmune, and chronic infection cases respond beautifully and routinely

with NMT which is safe and non-invasive.

To

understand more about NMT please check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.

md/RadioIntervie wFullpage. cfm link to audio interview by

la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciou

smedianetwork. com/members/ lfeinberg. htm link to Conscious Media

Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT

website: www.nmt.md

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From: @grou ps.com

[mailto:] On Behalf Of DeJana

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM

@grou ps.com

Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi all again.

Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line

and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered

from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing

for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her

mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She

also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose

is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive

individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the

end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying

similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema

in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid

line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and

cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal

and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

Hi Herb,

I was just listening to Bruce Lipton’s “Wisdom of

the Cell” CDs while on a long drive last night. You echo (fractally

reiterate) his theme of the role of subconscious programming that serves to

rule in or rule out what is possible, permissible, deserved, and valid setting

up the conscious mind to explore and enjoy only a limited bandwidth of an

infinite spectrum of possibilities. In chiropractic, other health care

professions, whole other industries, this subconscious programming of the sort

that allows for constricted or expanded possibilities for the developing child,

exists at the higher level of organization within professional and business

communities and either allows them to be open to growth and development in

response to a changing environment in which they exist , or causes them to

become irrelevant and ineffectual. They either see themselves as

empowered with the creative forces of the universe or they see themselves the

victims limited and constrained definitions of who they are leading to very

different paths of development. I agree that a paradigm shift of major

proportions would have to occur within our “natural health

universities” for them to break free of, not roles limited by the

founders of our profession, but intentionally and willfully atrophied over the

years by small minded people of limited vision who perverted the genius with

which our profession was first envisioned.

I’m reminded to in thinking about Lipton’s lecture

in light of this conversation of the contrast he made between Lamarck’s

vitalistic explanation of evolution and change in species and Darwin’s

mostly plagiarized and devitalized mechanistic vision of evolution came to

vogue – stolen ideas with the life sucked out of them. Again the

idea of fractal reiteration of pattern. Feels a lot like what we are

seeing in our “natural health universities”. The skeleton of

the profession is there but all the juices have been sucked out and the

connection to innate intelligence that inspired the birth of the profession was

long ago pruned away leaving a dry, lifeless mechanism out of sync with the

pulse of change in world. I think any change in this paradigm would

require a grass roots revolution in which the students of these “natural

health universities”, the only ones with the means, motive, and

opportunity to create such change, simply demand it and pressure these

institutions to rehabilitate themselves. $$$$ talk and students are the

ones who control access to the $$$$ these institutions need to survive.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of BERNICE

FREEMAN

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 7:24 AM

Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi Les,

Conversely if one attends a

school at which the curriculum is one of a restricted vision (

chiropractic is only of value for strains & sprains, the

manipulation can only do so much ) the young student

will have implanted in his mind a limited concept of his role in

the healing community. This type of D.C. will spend his/her career

constantly searching for alternative methods to accomplish what they

believe is beyond their clinical skills and will

always believe that they are second rate practitioners.

All told if this were to change

it would call for a paradigm shift in the curriculum that is

currently being taught at our " natural health universities " .

Herb Freeman D.C.

From: S. Feinberg

'Sharron

Fuchs' ;

Sent: Saturday, April 17,

2010 12:07 AM

Subject: RE:

2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi Sharon,

Agreement, intention, and belief are

always part of the equation. The use of EEG is not ever part of a typical

clinical arrangement and I referred to it only because it was used to document the

underlying phenomenon of entanglement and mental connectivity. Human

nuance is of course involved in every clinical interface. All that is

required for consistent results with surrogate testing is an experienced and

skilled practitioner, and the agreement and intention of the practitioner,

patient, and surrogate to enter into this collaboration for the expressed

purpose of helping the patient. Obviously, just as in any human

" conversation " if one party does not want to engage, they don't

engage (I can't HEEEEEAAAAR you!). The NMT muscle response protocol has

numerous safeguards and checks to make sure that this feedback is working

properly and working properly means that the practitioner is getting responses

that reflect the patient's mind-body perception of its internal state.

Someone may say, " Well, that isn't objective

information. " My response is quite simple. What

information does the mind-body base its physiological decisions on other than

its perception of its internal state. The answer is nothing else!

Jim used to talk a lot about FCB

- faith, confidence, and belief as critical to the successful application of

conventional chiropractic. The practitioner's intention, and the

conveyance of that information contained in this intention is always part of

every chiropractic visit and adjustment. It is one reason why people of

similar technical expertise in chiropractic get consistently different quality

of results with the same techniques on similar patients/cases. Think about

HIO work. The metaphor held in the mind of the practitioner, the opening

of the gateway at the atlas to universal intelligence and the permission and

access to healing is a very strong metaphorical model of informational

medicine. Does anyone really believe that the great results upper

cervical specialists get in wide ranging cases is truly the result of precisely

positioning the atlas with tiny little vibratory thrusts??? Right, and

then the patient goes out and plays football. Ha! Anyone who

thinks chiropractic, however it is practiced is all about body mechanics has

missed the boat. That is only a piece of the equation.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron

Fuchs

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:25 PM

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Can you assume that the patient and

surrogate are 'linked' or do you have to meditate together or some other process

and then test for the linkage ie EEG testing of each person? I was visiting

with Dr. Freeman a few weeks ago and I asked him ' What if I don't like the

person?' What I meant by that is can emotion or some other process interfere

with your ability to read or interpret what ever you are asking or looking for?

Or do you just turn in to a robot testing machine and not allow human nuance

into it?

s. fuchs dc

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

S. Feinberg

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:59 PM

' S. Feinberg'; MekaAbou@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Someone sent me a question off line

about surrogate testing and I thought I would offer these thoughts to any of

you " think outside the box " types.

Surrogate testing simply means that the

patient is not muscle tested directly. Instead, either a third party who

is with the practitioner is used to monitor the muscle response test result, or

that the practitioner him/herself does a self test as a surrogate for the

patient. This may seem quite odd to anyone who has not had experience

with this sort of thing or who attempts to understand such an evaluation in

terms of some direct neuromuscular reflex arising within the patient. It

doesn't make sense in those terms. To understand muscle response testing

generally, and surrogate muscle response testing specifically you have to

dispense with that notion. It has nothing to do with it. Instead,

this has to do with the " other than conscious " mental linkage that

occurs with all people who hold the intention to relate to one another for some

purpose. I'll explain. Dean Radin, Ph.D. reports the research

documenting this phenomenon in his book " Entangled Minds " and there

is a lot of other research supporting this. In the research Radin

documents, pairs of research subject unknown previously to one another we

brought together, hooked up to EEG monitoring devices. Their EEG tracings

were dissimilar. They were then asked to meditate together for 15 minutes

after which it was noted that their EEG tracings became synchronous. They

were then separated and put in Faraday caged, light and sound proof

rooms. One subject was exposed to a strobe light and the EEG of course

demonstrated the corresponding activity in the occipital cortex. What is

telling is that the other subject isolated as described above demonstrated

exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the same time as the one who

received the light stimulation.

So, this demonstrates that a

non-electromagnetic linkage of mind occurs between people. An important

thing here is the subjects were induced to enter a state of quantum

entanglement by the intention to meditate together. Similarly, when patient

and practitioner come together with the shared intention of a healing

interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there is certain information relevant

to the therapeutic interaction that becomes shared just as shared documents

become available to computers on the same network (even though all documents

and information will not be shared). When you look at it from this

perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a neuromuscular reflex in the

patient. Instead, the muscle response in the surrogate or self-surrogate

is seen as an " external indicator " of information that is already

known at a subconscious level to both parties and it brings that information to

conscious mind awareness. As with the research reported by Radin, contact

or immediate physical proximity of the subject is not necessary in surrogate

testing. Presence in this context is not about physical proximity.

This same phenomenon happens all the

time in conventional chiropractic but is generally not understood and

misinterpreted as some sort of neuromuscular reflex. Activator technique

testing is a great example. The leg length responses are the reaction of

the patient to the other than conscious query based upon the metaphorical model

taught in Activator technique of what is meant by the various physical strokes,

brushings, and other cues given to the body. That meaning and the

response that would correlate with the patient's body's perception of it

physical condition is understood subconsciously by the patient's mind-body and

the leg length change reveals the body's answer in the context of the Activator

model held in mind by the practitioner. The same is true of the arm-fossa

tests in SOT. They have nothing to do with hard wired neurology.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

S. Feinberg

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PM

MekaAbou@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi Don,

Yes, it is surrogate testing. A

few people, typically other health care practitioner and not patients, have a

bit of a challenge in understanding muscle response testing generally and

surrogate testing specifically. I usually refer them to the book

" Entangled Minds " by physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the

science of quantum entanglement behind this linkage that makes direct or

indirect (surrogate) muscle response testing possible. I now work about

50% of the time in my Oregon office and about 50% in my Mexico City office

where I do NMT only and virtually all of that work is remote with people from

all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Latin America.

Obviously, they are all not only tested in a surrogate manner, but all the work

is done on a remote basis and the results are excellent and identical to what

we see for in-office treatment. When you think about it, all surrogate

testing is remote testing, and in the world of non-locality there is no

difference between a little remote or a lot remote. Either there is an

effect mediated by contact with the patient, or there isn't and if there is no

physical contact, then as they say, " a miss is as good as a

mile " . I just finished treating a young electrical engineer who

works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of weeks ago and could

barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded only slight and

temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session last week he was

immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session, he was virtually

pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT session.

Care for this low back condition was actually a sidetrack from the other

distance NMT care he has received in the past 2 months. This fellow has

such severe spring time environmental allergies that he requires shots of

steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy medications. After

about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is absolutely free of spring time

allergy symptoms and will probably have just a few more sessions to arrive at

the point that the NMT system metrics I check for him demonstrate full

resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate stuff in skilled hands is

the real McCoy.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

MekaAbou@... [mailto:MekaAbou@...]

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PM

feinberg@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Les,

How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year

old in your technique ? Is it surrogate?

Don WHite, RN, DC

In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M.

Pacific Daylight Time, feinberg@... writes:

Error! Cannot read or display file.Error!

Cannot read or display file.

Hi ,

I recommend that you refer the patient

to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the

NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic

infection cases respond beautifully and routinely with NMT which is safe and

non-invasive.

To understand more about NMT please

check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.md/RadioInterviewFullpage.cfm

link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lfeinberg.htm

link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT website: www.nmt.md

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of DeJana

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM

Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind

enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be

over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered

from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing

for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her

mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She

also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is

constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her

insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope.

She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in

bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line

could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and

cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal

and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]



Sharon,

Empiricism has always been at the forefront of chiropractic procedures,without it we are left with a dry and at best imitative profession.

Herb

2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons. I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms. I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.Thank you in advance for your time! DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

We’ve seen this crap before, haven’t we? In

the 1950’s anyone who wanted to work in the film industry or other

industries had to sign pledges to hew to the party line. Same thing in

the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and I think that they have the same type of

pledges in Iran and Saudi Arabia. Nothing new here. Giordano Bruno

was burned at the stake in Italy for his heresy and now, of course, is well

rehabilitated. Rupert Sheldrake tells us that now, a century past the

revolution in human understanding ushered in by the revelation of quantum

mechanics that 90% of the scientists in biological science define themselves

with pride as “mechanistic biologists”. As Kuhn told

us in “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions”, the

“experts” are the last ones to see a the change in scientific

paradigm coming. The first clue they have that change is on the way is

when, after the fact, they see that they are standing alone and the whole of

science has moved away from them.

As you should know, Lamarck had the inspired revelation of a

feedback mechanism between the environment and genetics that guided

evolution. By way of a political circus following the defeat of Napoleon

and the return of the king and his minions, Lamark was made the buffoon and the

narrow minded and scientifically wrong perspectives of Darwin were made

sacrosanct. In 1988 it was demonstrated that in fact Lamarck was right

and a non-mitotic mutative replication of DNA genes occurs in order to find a

new gene structure capable of responding successfully to a changed environment

and that mutation of genes had little to do with random mutation. Lamarck

was right!!! How much better it would have been if science had been open

to inquiry and new thinking and ideas were allowed to stand or fall on their

own in an intellectually honest environment, instead of making science

handmaiden to politics and dogma.

The one thing that we must all agree upon is that our profession

will remain open to new thought, that we will maintain respect for one another

and honor diversity in our profession, and that we won’t allow

Chiro-Nazis to set us against one another and promote and atmosphere of fear

and persecution. I wonder what Dalton Trumbo and Lillian Helman would

have to add to this conversation. (Dr. Snell is asking himself,

“Dalton who, Lillian what???”)

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Snell

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 10:08 AM

oregon dc listserve

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

OK, I'm hoping that what I'm reading on this

thread is not representative of the general feelings of the group. My 2

cents is that this type of treatment should be relegated to the scrap heap of

Toftness, etc in OR. I can't sit by and read this, knowing that there are

new DCs on the list and recent arrivals to OR who are framing their opinion of

how their profession is practiced here. One of the hardest things I

experience in practice daily is gaining the trust of patients who have been

exposed to this type of BS and now lump all DCs together as proponents and

practitioners of this type of stuff. For those who typically email me off

list with supportive tones when I voice my opinion like this, thanks, but

please bring your sentiments into the open forum here so that your silence is

not viewed as general acceptance of this stuff. If I'm the odd one out,

and the community truly supports this, then I'll go play elsewhere. Enjoy

your Saturday!

W. Snell, D.C.

Director, Solutions Sports & Spine, Inc

at Hawthorne Wellness Center

3942 SE Hawthorne Blvd.

Portland, OR 97214

Ph. 503-235-5484

Fax 503-235-3956

drpsnell.chiroweb.com

www.fixyourownback.com

Member, American College of Sports Medicine

Assoc. Member, International Society of Clinical Rehabilitation Specialists

From: docwiese7@...

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:45:41 -0700

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

GRAMMER CORRECTION: I loved the explanation of

surrogate testing you gave and will save this for others to read that

come to my office when I need to explain it. It is hard to explain and

I have had to use it when there is no other means. I do find there

are issues though with this type of testing. I find that if I have a

predetermined idea of what the out come is this affects the

outcome. Second, we are introducing another person into this equation,

which picks up his or her thoughts and body issue. We might

assume it is the one we are testing and it turns out it is the person we are

using. Third, if either the person we need to test or the one

we are using are dehydrated it will through (throw) the test. There are

many issues that can interfere. I find it is better to test the surrogate

person alone and find their issues before going any

further. Hydrate both the surrogate and the patient for a

good connection. Then tell the the surrogate to keep his thoughts more blank

and not be thinking confusion for the patient's

condition. Thoughts can change the test. There are both

physical and metal issues that can change this test, along with the doctors

thoughts. Good luck. I believe it take many years of

experience to understand how muscle testing works and the problems with

it. However, it does work. I do know that many people do not

believe, unless they get it done to them by an experienced muscle

tester. I find many doctors shoove (shove) the arm or muscle being

tested to hard, because they expect the outcome to be a certain way.

They over power the person being tested. It also is a

problem, especially Surrogate testing in a court of law or trying to describe

this for any legal purposes. Better to use standard testing and

evaluation for any legal purposes and these other tests only for the doctors

evaluations. I never put in my notes direct statements that my muscle

testing is how I came to the diagnosis. 25 years of writing

notes with muscle testing experience I do not throw my pearls

amoung those that do not understand.

From: Sharron Fuchs <sharronf@...>

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 1:24 PM

Can you assume that the patient and surrogate are

‘linked’ or do you have to meditate together or some other

process and then test for the linkage ie EEG testing of each person? I was

visiting with Dr. Freeman a few weeks ago and I asked him ‘ What if I

don’t like the person?’ What I meant by that is can emotion or

some other process interfere with your ability to read or interpret what ever

you are asking or looking for? Or do you just turn in to a robot testing

machine and not allow human nuance into it?

s. fuchs dc

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

S. Feinberg

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:59 PM

' S. Feinberg'; MekaAbou@...; mdejanadc@...;

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections

and allergies

Someone

sent me a question off line about surrogate testing and I thought I would

offer these thoughts to any of you “think outside the box” types.

Surrogate

testing simply means that the patient is not muscle tested directly.

Instead, either a third party who is with the practitioner is used to monitor

the muscle response test result, or that the practitioner him/herself does a

self test as a surrogate for the patient. This may seem quite odd to

anyone who has not had experience with this sort of thing or who attempts to

understand such an evaluation in terms of some direct neuromuscular reflex

arising within the patient. It doesn’t make sense in those

terms. To understand muscle response testing generally, and surrogate

muscle response testing specifically you have to dispense with that

notion. It has nothing to do with it. Instead, this has to do

with the “other than conscious” mental linkage that occurs with

all people who hold the intention to relate to one another for some

purpose. I’ll explain. Dean Radin, Ph.D. reports the

research documenting this phenomenon in his book “Entangled

Minds” and there is a lot of other research supporting this. In

the research Radin documents, pairs of research subject unknown previously to

one another we brought together, hooked up to EEG monitoring devices.

Their EEG tracings were dissimilar. They were then asked to meditate

together for 15 minutes after which it was noted that their EEG tracings

became synchronous. They were then separated and put in Faraday caged,

light and sound proof rooms. One subject was exposed to a strobe light

and the EEG of course demonstrated the corresponding activity in the

occipital cortex. What is telling is that the other subject isolated as

described above demonstrated exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the

same time as the one who received the light stimulation.

So, this

demonstrates that a non-electromagnetic linkage of mind occurs between

people. An important thing here is the subjects were induced to enter a

state of quantum entanglement by the intention to meditate together.

Similarly, when patient and practitioner come together with the shared

intention of a healing interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there is

certain information relevant to the therapeutic interaction that becomes

shared just as shared documents become available to computers on the same

network (even though all documents and information will not be shared).

When you look at it from this perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a

neuromuscular reflex in the patient. Instead, the muscle response in

the surrogate or self-surrogate is seen as an “external

indicator” of information that is already known at a subconscious level

to both parties and it brings that information to conscious mind

awareness. As with the research reported by Radin, contact or immediate

physical proximity of the subject is not necessary in surrogate

testing. Presence in this context is not about physical proximity.

This same

phenomenon happens all the time in conventional chiropractic but is generally

not understood and misinterpreted as some sort of neuromuscular reflex.

Activator technique testing is a great example. The leg length

responses are the reaction of the patient to the other than conscious query

based upon the metaphorical model taught in Activator technique of what is

meant by the various physical strokes, brushings, and other cues given to the

body. That meaning and the response that would correlate with the

patient’s body’s perception of it physical condition is

understood subconsciously by the patient’s mind-body and the leg length

change reveals the body’s answer in the context of the Activator model

held in mind by the practitioner. The same is true of the arm-fossa

tests in SOT. They have nothing to do with hard wired neurology.

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From: @grou ps.com [mailto:@

groups. com] On Behalf Of S. Feinberg

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PM

MekaAbouaol (DOT) com; mdejanadcgmail (DOT) com; @grou

ps.com

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections

and allergies

Hi Don,

Yes, it is

surrogate testing. A few people, typically other health care

practitioner and not patients, have a bit of a challenge in understanding

muscle response testing generally and surrogate testing specifically. I

usually refer them to the book “Entangled Minds” by physicist

Dean Radin, PhD to understand the science of quantum entanglement behind this

linkage that makes direct or indirect (surrogate) muscle response testing

possible. I now work about 50% of the time in my Oregon office and

about 50% in my Mexico City office where I do NMT only and virtually all of

that work is remote with people from all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia,

Australia, and Latin America. Obviously, they are all not only tested

in a surrogate manner, but all the work is done on a remote basis and the

results are excellent and identical to what we see for in-office

treatment. When you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote

testing, and in the world of non-locality there is no difference between a

little remote or a lot remote. Either there is an effect mediated by

contact with the patient, or there isn’t and if there is no physical

contact, then as they say, “a miss is as good as a mile”. I

just finished treating a young electrical engineer who works for Intel.

He had hurt his low back a couple of weeks ago and could barely move and

conventional chiropractic care afforded only slight and temporary

relief. After his first remote NMT session last week he was immediately

80% resolved. Today at his second session, he was virtually pain free

and full ROM after his second remote NMT session. Care for

this low back condition was actually a sidetrack from the other distance NMT

care he has received in the past 2 months. This fellow has such severe

spring time environmental allergies that he requires shots of steroids on top

of a variety of prescription allergy medications. After about 7 NMT

sessions in the past 2 months he is absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms

and will probably have just a few more sessions to arrive at the point that

the NMT system metrics I check for him demonstrate full resolution of his

condition. So, this surrogate stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy.

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From: MekaAbouaol (DOT) com [mailto:MekaAbou@ aol.com]

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PM

feinbergnmt (DOT) md; mdejanadcgmail (DOT) com; @grou ps.com

Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections

and allergies

Les,

How do you

do muscle testing with a 2 year old in your technique ? Is it surrogate?

Don WHite,

RN, DC

In a message

dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, feinbergnmt (DOT) md writes:

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Cannot read or display file.Error! Cannot read or display file.

Hi ,

I

recommend that you refer the patient to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a

masterful practitioner of the NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy,

autoimmune, and chronic infection cases respond beautifully and routinely with

NMT which is safe and non-invasive.

To

understand more about NMT please check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.

md/RadioIntervie wFullpage. cfm link to audio interview by

la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciou

smedianetwork. com/members/ lfeinberg. htm link to Conscious Media

Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT

website: www.nmt.md

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From: @grou ps.com

[mailto:] On Behalf Of DeJana

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM

@grou ps.com

Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi all again. Minga

was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many

may be over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered

from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing

for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her

mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She

also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose

is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive

individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the

end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying

similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema

in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid

line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and

cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal

and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

Dr. Phil ,

Please don't castigate what you haven't thoroly investigated. I spent 10 yrs. studying with Dr.Toftness and far from being an embarassment in his community he was considered a bit of a miracle worker and regarded with great respect.

Herb

2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons. I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms. I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.Thank you in advance for your time! DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

Hi Les,The health paradigm shift that embraces a wider view, including mechanistic and vitalistic rays without prejudice, seems to reflect a process of human maturation that includes both individuals and human civilization in general. The larger view reflects on the similarities of religion and science, of which our mechanistic/vitalistic thoughts are a part, as if two wings of a single bird. They both inform us albeit from varying perspectives. In this regard, I like the Buddha's way of saying it, "As the shadow follows the body, as we think, so do we become."Looking back, we seem drawn by life itself to not be satisfied for long with what is known, but to continue seeking something. Perhaps it's been said no better than for us to love one another. Sears, DC, IAYT1218 NW 21st AvePortland, Oregon 97209v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Apr 17, 2010, at 11:04 AM, S. Feinberg wrote: Hi Herb, I was just listening to Bruce Lipton’s “Wisdom of the Cell” CDs while on a long drive last night. You echo (fractally reiterate) his theme of the role of subconscious programming that serves to rule in or rule out what is possible, permissible, deserved, and valid setting up the conscious mind to explore and enjoy only a limited bandwidth of an infinite spectrum of possibilities. In chiropractic, other health care professions, whole other industries, this subconscious programming of the sort that allows for constricted or expanded possibilities for the developing child, exists at the higher level of organization within professional and business communities and either allows them to be open to growth and development in response to a changing environment in which they exist , or causes them to become irrelevant and ineffectual. They either see themselves as empowered with the creative forces of the universe or they see themselves the victims limited and constrained definitions of who they are leading to very different paths of development. I agree that a paradigm shift of major proportions would have to occur within our “natural health universities” for them to break free of, not roles limited by the founders of our profession, but intentionally and willfully atrophied over the years by small minded people of limited vision who perverted the genius with which our profession was first envisioned. I’m reminded to in thinking about Lipton’s lecture in light of this conversation of the contrast he made between Lamarck’s vitalistic explanation of evolution and change in species and Darwin’s mostly plagiarized and devitalized mechanistic vision of evolution came to vogue – stolen ideas with the life sucked out of them. Again the idea of fractal reiteration of pattern. Feels a lot like what we are seeing in our “natural health universities”. The skeleton of the profession is there but all the juices have been sucked out and the connection to innate intelligence that inspired the birth of the profession was long ago pruned away leaving a dry, lifeless mechanism out of sync with the pulse of change in world. I think any change in this paradigm would require a grass roots revolution in which the students of these “natural health universities”, the only ones with the means, motive, and opportunity to create such change, simply demand it and pressure these institutions to rehabilitate themselves. $$$$ talk and students are the ones who control access to the $$$$ these institutions need to survive. S. Feinberg, D.C. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of BERNICE FREEMAN Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 7:24 AM Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Hi Les, Conversely if one attends a school at which the curriculum is one of a restricted vision ( chiropractic is only of value for strains & sprains, the manipulation can only do so much ) the young student will have implanted in his mind a limited concept of his role in the healing community. This type of D.C. will spend his/her career constantly searching for alternative methods to accomplish what they believe is beyond their clinical skills and will always believe that they are second rate practitioners. All told if this were to change it would call for a paradigm shift in the curriculum that is currently being taught at our "natural health universities". Herb Freeman D.C. From: S. Feinberg 'Sharron Fuchs' ; Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:07 AM Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Hi Sharon,Agreement, intention, and belief are always part of the equation. The use of EEG is not ever part of a typical clinical arrangement and I referred to it only because it was used to document the underlying phenomenon of entanglement and mental connectivity. Human nuance is of course involved in every clinical interface. All that is required for consistent results with surrogate testing is an experienced and skilled practitioner, and the agreement and intention of the practitioner, patient, and surrogate to enter into this collaboration for the expressed purpose of helping the patient. Obviously, just as in any human "conversation" if one party does not want to engage, they don't engage (I can't HEEEEEAAAAR you!). The NMT muscle response protocol has numerous safeguards and checks to make sure that this feedback is working properly and working properly means that the practitioner is getting responses that reflect the patient's mind-body perception of its internal state. Someone may say, "Well, that isn't objective information." My response is quite simple. What information does the mind-body base its physiological decisions on other than its perception of its internal state. The answer is nothing else! Jim used to talk a lot about FCB - faith, confidence, and belief as critical to the successful application of conventional chiropractic. The practitioner's intention, and the conveyance of that information contained in this intention is always part of every chiropractic visit and adjustment. It is one reason why people of similar technical expertise in chiropractic get consistently different quality of results with the same techniques on similar patients/cases. Think about HIO work. The metaphor held in the mind of the practitioner, the opening of the gateway at the atlas to universal intelligence and the permission and access to healing is a very strong metaphorical model of informational medicine. Does anyone really believe that the great results upper cervical specialists get in wide ranging cases is truly the result of precisely positioning the atlas with tiny little vibratory thrusts??? Right, and then the patient goes out and plays football. Ha! Anyone who thinks chiropractic, however it is practiced is all about body mechanics has missed the boat. That is only a piece of the equation. S. Feinberg, D.C. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron Fuchs Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Can you assume that the patient and surrogate are 'linked' or do you have to meditate together or some other process and then test for the linkage ie EEG testing of each person? I was visiting with Dr. Freeman a few weeks ago and I asked him ' What if I don't like the person?' What I meant by that is can emotion or some other process interfere with your ability to read or interpret what ever you are asking or looking for? Or do you just turn in to a robot testing machine and not allow human nuance into it?s. fuchs dc From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of S. Feinberg Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:59 PM ' S. Feinberg'; MekaAbouaol; mdejanadcgmail; Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Someone sent me a question off line about surrogate testing and I thought I would offer these thoughts to any of you "think outside the box" types.Surrogate testing simply means that the patient is not muscle tested directly. Instead, either a third party who is with the practitioner is used to monitor the muscle response test result, or that the practitioner him/herself does a self test as a surrogate for the patient. This may seem quite odd to anyone who has not had experience with this sort of thing or who attempts to understand such an evaluation in terms of some direct neuromuscular reflex arising within the patient. It doesn't make sense in those terms. To understand muscle response testing generally, and surrogate muscle response testing specifically you have to dispense with that notion. It has nothing to do with it. Instead, this has to do with the "other than conscious" mental linkage that occurs with all people who hold the intention to relate to one another for some purpose. I'll explain. Dean Radin, Ph.D. reports the research documenting this phenomenon in his book "Entangled Minds" and there is a lot of other research supporting this. In the research Radin documents, pairs of research subject unknown previously to one another we brought together, hooked up to EEG monitoring devices. Their EEG tracings were dissimilar. They were then asked to meditate together for 15 minutes after which it was noted that their EEG tracings became synchronous. They were then separated and put in Faraday caged, light and sound proof rooms. One subject was exposed to a strobe light and the EEG of course demonstrated the corresponding activity in the occipital cortex. What is telling is that the other subject isolated as described above demonstrated exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the same time as the one who received the light stimulation. So, this demonstrates that a non-electromagnetic linkage of mind occurs between people. An important thing here is the subjects were induced to enter a state of quantum entanglement by the intention to meditate together. Similarly, when patient and practitioner come together with the shared intention of a healing interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there is certain information relevant to the therapeutic interaction that becomes shared just as shared documents become available to computers on the same network (even though all documents and information will not be shared). When you look at it from this perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a neuromuscular reflex in the patient. Instead, the muscle response in the surrogate or self-surrogate is seen as an "external indicator" of information that is already known at a subconscious level to both parties and it brings that information to conscious mind awareness. As with the research reported by Radin, contact or immediate physical proximity of the subject is not necessary in surrogate testing. Presence in this context is not about physical proximity.This same phenomenon happens all the time in conventional chiropractic but is generally not understood and misinterpreted as some sort of neuromuscular reflex. Activator technique testing is a great example. The leg length responses are the reaction of the patient to the other than conscious query based upon the metaphorical model taught in Activator technique of what is meant by the various physical strokes, brushings, and other cues given to the body. That meaning and the response that would correlate with the patient's body's perception of it physical condition is understood subconsciously by the patient's mind-body and the leg length change reveals the body's answer in the context of the Activator model held in mind by the practitioner. The same is true of the arm-fossa tests in SOT. They have nothing to do with hard wired neurology. S. Feinberg, D.C. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of S. Feinberg Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PM MekaAbouaol; mdejanadcgmail; Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Hi Don,Yes, it is surrogate testing. A few people, typically other health care practitioner and not patients, have a bit of a challenge in understanding muscle response testing generally and surrogate testing specifically. I usually refer them to the book "Entangled Minds" by physicist Dean Radin, PhD to understand the science of quantum entanglement behind this linkage that makes direct or indirect (surrogate) muscle response testing possible. I now work about 50% of the time in my Oregon office and about 50% in my Mexico City office where I do NMT only and virtually all of that work is remote with people from all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Latin America. Obviously, they are all not only tested in a surrogate manner, but all the work is done on a remote basis and the results are excellent and identical to what we see for in-office treatment. When you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote testing, and in the world of non-locality there is no difference between a little remote or a lot remote. Either there is an effect mediated by contact with the patient, or there isn't and if there is no physical contact, then as they say, "a miss is as good as a mile". I just finished treating a young electrical engineer who works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of weeks ago and could barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded only slight and temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session last week he was immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session, he was virtually pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT session. Care for this low back condition was actually a sidetrack from the other distance NMT care he has received in the past 2 months. This fellow has such severe spring time environmental allergies that he requires shots of steroids on top of a variety of prescription allergy medications. After about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he is absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms and will probably have just a few more sessions to arrive at the point that the NMT system metrics I check for him demonstrate full resolution of his condition. So, this surrogate stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy. S. Feinberg, D.C. From: MekaAbouaol [mailto:MekaAbouaol] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PM feinbergnmt (DOT) md; mdejanadcgmail; Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Les, How do you do muscle testing with a 2 year old in your technique ? Is it surrogate? Don WHite, RN, DC In a message dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, feinbergnmt (DOT) md writes: Error! Cannot read or display file.Error! Cannot read or display file. Hi ,I recommend that you refer the patient to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a masterful practitioner of the NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy, autoimmune, and chronic infection cases respond beautifully and routinely with NMT which is safe and non-invasive.To understand more about NMT please check out these interviews:http://www.nmt.md/RadioInterviewFullpage.cfm link to audio interview by la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lfeinberg.htm link to Conscious Media Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007NMT website: www.nmt.md S. Feinberg, D.C. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of DeJana Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons. I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl. Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms. I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM. Thank you in advance for your time! DeJana, DC Sears, DC, IAYT1218 NW 21st AvePortland, Oregon 97209v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.com

[Guest guest]

Always nice to hear from an old friend Les. In regards to the big tent of chiropractic, I am surprisingly in agreement that there is a need for diversity in the public health arena. There is also a need for a subset of well qualified musculoskeletal professionals to address the epidemic of low back pain and spinal complaints in the western world. Our ability to achieve the cultural authority to assume the position as the go-to specialists to field that challenge is limited by the types of practice that we are discussing. The people have spoken in public opinion polls. They don't trust chiros, but they do perceive us to be experts in the spine.The problem from my perspective is that others consider might consider that the types of therapy your promulgating are the status quo in the profession. I'm quite happy that they are considered odd and practiced via phone from offices in Mexico. W. Snell,

D.C. Director, Solutions Sports & Spine, Inc at Hawthorne Wellness Center

3942 SE Hawthorne Blvd. Portland, OR 97214 Ph. 503-235-5484 Fax 503-235-3956

drpsnell.chiroweb.comwww.fixyourownback.comMember,

American College of Sports MedicineAssoc. Member, International Society of Clinical Rehabilitation Specialistssharronf@...; drpsnell@...CC: From: feinberg@...Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:04:21 -0700Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Dear Dr. Phil,

Please see my previous responses to your posts from the last go

around in which you blasted the vitalistic wing of chiropractic from your

causal, dualistic, mechanistic, ignorant, pompous, and self-righteous

pedestal. I wouldn’t waste the time to respond further to you again as my

comments to you would be precisely the same as they were a couple of years ago

when similar topics were discussed.

I respect that you do good work for your patients and have

learned well the various stretch, pop, zap, tape, grunt, and buzz mechanistic

methods that you employ and that they produce results in a reasonable

percentage of the cases you treat and that your patients love you and what you

do. I would just ask (but never expect from someone like you) the same

level of respect for those of us who use vitalistic chiropractic

approaches. Instead, what I hear is a guy who would like to stage a

Chiropractic Crystalnacht and have jackbooted thugs breaking down doors in the

middle of the night to confiscate and burn books and apparatus that don’t

correspond to the party line. The chiropractic tent is a big one with

plenty of room for many philosophies of treatment. What we don’t need are

chiropractic Nazis who want to suppress everyone else.

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharron

Fuchs

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 10:29 AM

Snell

Cc: oregon dc listserve

Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

I have no idea if this is the general consensus of the group

but I do think it is a light discussion of other techniques. I don't

understand it myself so I have to ask questions as to how others think

something works. That is all. Some will always be on the edge and only time,

research and peer reviewed published papers will tell us if they are on the

cutting edge or just wacky.

s. fuchs dc

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2010, at 10:08 AM, " Snell" <drpsnellhotmail> wrote:

OK, I'm hoping that what I'm reading on this

thread is not representative of the general feelings of the group. My 2

cents is that this type of treatment should be relegated to the scrap heap of

Toftness, etc in OR. I can't sit by and read this, knowing that there are

new DCs on the list and recent arrivals to OR who are framing their opinion of

how their profession is practiced here. One of the hardest things I

experience in practice daily is gaining the trust of patients who have been

exposed to this type of BS and now lump all DCs together as proponents and

practitioners of this type of stuff. For those who typically email me off

list with supportive tones when I voice my opinion like this, thanks, but

please bring your sentiments into the open forum here so that your silence is

not viewed as general acceptance of this stuff. If I'm the odd one out,

and the community truly supports this, then I'll go play elsewhere. Enjoy

your Saturday!

W. Snell, D.C.

Director, Solutions Sports & Spine, Inc

at Hawthorne Wellness Center

3942 SE Hawthorne Blvd.

Portland, OR 97214

Ph. 503-235-5484

Fax 503-235-3956

drpsnell.chiroweb.com

www.fixyourownback.com

Member, American College of Sports Medicine

Assoc. Member, International Society of Clinical Rehabilitation Specialists

From: docwiese7

Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:45:41 -0700

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

GRAMMER CORRECTION: I loved the explanation of

surrogate testing you gave and will save this for others to read that

come to my office when I need to explain it. It is hard to explain and

I have had to use it when there is no other means. I do find there

are issues though with this type of testing. I find that if I have a

predetermined idea of what the out come is this affects the

outcome. Second, we are introducing another person into this equation,

which picks up his or her thoughts and body issue. We might

assume it is the one we are testing and it turns out it is the person we are

using. Third, if either the person we need to test or the one

we are using are dehydrated it will through (throw) the test. There are

many issues that can interfere. I find it is better to test the surrogate

person alone and find their issues before going any

further. Hydrate both the surrogate and the patient for a

good connection. Then tell the the surrogate to keep his thoughts more blank

and not be thinking confusion for the patient's

condition. Thoughts can change the test. There are both

physical and metal issues that can change this test, along with the doctors

thoughts. Good luck. I believe it take many years of

experience to understand how muscle testing works and the problems with

it. However, it does work. I do know that many people do not believe,

unless they get it done to them by an experienced muscle tester. I

find many doctors shoove (shove) the

arm or muscle being tested to hard, because they expect the outcome to be a

certain way. They over power the person being

tested. It also is a problem, especially Surrogate testing

in a court of law or trying to describe this for any legal purposes.

Better to use standard testing and evaluation for any legal

purposes and these other tests only for the doctors evaluations. I

never put in my notes direct statements that my muscle testing is how I came

to the diagnosis. 25 years of writing notes with muscle

testing experience I do not throw my pearls amoung those that do not

understand.

From: Sharron Fuchs <sharronftdinjurylaw>

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 1:24 PM

Can you assume that the patient and surrogate are ‘linked’ or do

you have to meditate together or some other process and then test for the

linkage ie EEG testing of each person? I was visiting with Dr. Freeman a few

weeks ago and I asked him ‘ What if I don’t like the person?’ What I meant by

that is can emotion or some other process interfere with your ability to read

or interpret what ever you are asking or looking for? Or do you just turn in

to a robot testing machine and not allow human nuance into it?

s. fuchs dc

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of

S. Feinberg

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:59 PM

' S. Feinberg'; MekaAbouaol; mdejanadcgmail;

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections

and allergies

Someone

sent me a question off line about surrogate testing and I thought I would

offer these thoughts to any of you “think outside the box” types.

Surrogate

testing simply means that the patient is not muscle tested directly.

Instead, either a third party who is with the practitioner is used to monitor

the muscle response test result, or that the practitioner him/herself does a

self test as a surrogate for the patient. This may seem quite odd to

anyone who has not had experience with this sort of thing or who attempts to

understand such an evaluation in terms of some direct neuromuscular reflex

arising within the patient. It doesn’t make sense in those terms.

To understand muscle response testing generally, and surrogate muscle

response testing specifically you have to dispense with that notion. It

has nothing to do with it. Instead, this has to do with the “other than

conscious” mental linkage that occurs with all people who hold the intention

to relate to one another for some purpose. I’ll explain. Dean

Radin, Ph.D. reports the research documenting this phenomenon in his book

“Entangled Minds” and there is a lot of other research supporting this.

In the research Radin documents, pairs of research subject unknown previously

to one another we brought together, hooked up to EEG monitoring devices.

Their EEG tracings were dissimilar. They were then asked to meditate

together for 15 minutes after which it was noted that their EEG tracings

became synchronous. They were then separated and put in Faraday caged,

light and sound proof rooms. One subject was exposed to a strobe light

and the EEG of course demonstrated the corresponding activity in the

occipital cortex. What is telling is that the other subject isolated as

described above demonstrated exactly the same occipital lobe tracing at the same

time as the one who received the light stimulation.

So, this

demonstrates that a non-electromagnetic linkage of mind occurs between

people. An important thing here is the subjects were induced to enter a

state of quantum entanglement by the intention to meditate together.

Similarly, when patient and practitioner come together with the shared

intention of a healing interaction, a similar linkage occurs and there is

certain information relevant to the therapeutic interaction that becomes

shared just as shared documents become available to computers on the same

network (even though all documents and information will not be shared).

When you look at it from this perspective, surrogate muscle testing is not a neuromuscular

reflex in the patient. Instead, the muscle response in the surrogate or

self-surrogate is seen as an “external indicator” of information that is

already known at a subconscious level to both parties and it brings that

information to conscious mind awareness. As with the research reported

by Radin, contact or immediate physical proximity of the subject is not

necessary in surrogate testing. Presence in this context is not about

physical proximity.

This same

phenomenon happens all the time in conventional chiropractic but is generally

not understood and misinterpreted as some sort of neuromuscular reflex.

Activator technique testing is a great example. The leg length

responses are the reaction of the patient to the other than conscious query

based upon the metaphorical model taught in Activator technique of what is

meant by the various physical strokes, brushings, and other cues given to the

body. That meaning and the response that would correlate with the

patient’s body’s perception of it physical condition is understood

subconsciously by the patient’s mind-body and the leg length change reveals

the body’s answer in the context of the Activator model held in mind by the

practitioner. The same is true of the arm-fossa tests in SOT. They have

nothing to do with hard wired neurology.

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From: @grou ps.com [mailto:@

groups. com] On Behalf Of S. Feinberg

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:56 PM

MekaAbouaol (DOT) com; mdejanadcgmail (DOT) com; @grou

ps.com

Subject: RE: 2 year old with chronic ear infections

and allergies

Hi Don,

Yes, it is

surrogate testing. A few people, typically other health care

practitioner and not patients, have a bit of a challenge in understanding

muscle response testing generally and surrogate testing specifically. I

usually refer them to the book “Entangled Minds” by physicist Dean Radin, PhD

to understand the science of quantum entanglement behind this linkage that

makes direct or indirect (surrogate) muscle response testing possible.

I now work about 50% of the time in my Oregon office and about 50% in my

Mexico City office where I do NMT only and virtually all of that work is

remote with people from all over the US, Canada, Europe, Asia, Australia, and

Latin America. Obviously, they are all not only tested in a surrogate

manner, but all the work is done on a remote basis and the results are

excellent and identical to what we see for in-office treatment. When

you think about it, all surrogate testing is remote testing, and in the world

of non-locality there is no difference between a little remote or a lot

remote. Either there is an effect mediated by contact with the patient,

or there isn’t and if there is no physical contact, then as they say, “a miss

is as good as a mile”. I just finished treating a young electrical

engineer who works for Intel. He had hurt his low back a couple of

weeks ago and could barely move and conventional chiropractic care afforded

only slight and temporary relief. After his first remote NMT session

last week he was immediately 80% resolved. Today at his second session,

he was virtually pain free and full ROM after his second remote NMT

session. Care for this low back condition was actually a

sidetrack from the other distance NMT care he has received in the past 2

months. This fellow has such severe spring time environmental allergies

that he requires shots of steroids on top of a variety of prescription

allergy medications. After about 7 NMT sessions in the past 2 months he

is absolutely free of spring time allergy symptoms and will probably have

just a few more sessions to arrive at the point that the NMT system metrics I

check for him demonstrate full resolution of his condition. So, this

surrogate stuff in skilled hands is the real McCoy.

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From: MekaAbouaol (DOT) com [mailto:MekaAbou@ aol.com]

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:27 PM

feinbergnmt (DOT) md; mdejanadcgmail (DOT) com; @grou ps.com

Subject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections

and allergies

Les,

How do you

do muscle testing with a 2 year old in your technique ? Is it surrogate?

Don WHite,

RN, DC

In a message

dated 4/14/2010 2:12:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, feinbergnmt (DOT) md writes:

Error!

Cannot read or display file.Error! Cannot read or display file.

Hi ,

I

recommend that you refer the patient to Greg Ross, DC in Gresham who is a

masterful practitioner of the NeuroModulation Technique. These allergy,

autoimmune, and chronic infection cases respond beautifully and routinely

with NMT which is safe and non-invasive.

To

understand more about NMT please check out these interviews:

http://www.nmt.

md/RadioIntervie wFullpage. cfm link to audio interview by

la Kortsch, Ph.D. with Dr. Feinberg - 2009

http://www.consciou

smedianetwork. com/members/ lfeinberg. htm link to Conscious Media

Network interview with Dr. Feinberg - 2007

NMT

website: www.nmt.md

S.

Feinberg, D.C.

From: @grou ps.com

[mailto:] On Behalf Of DeJana

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:55 PM

@grou ps.com

Subject: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and

allergies

Hi all again.

Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line

and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered

from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing

for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her

mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She

also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose

is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive

individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the

end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying

similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema

in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid

line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and

cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal

and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

Amen, Herb.

As I recall, I was told that WSCC used to induct all students in the healing art called REIKI, understanding the importance of enhancing intuition, subtle palpation and one's ability to transmit healing energy by touch. WSCC has moved to the far right (using a political metaphor) of its origins.

I guess it's like so many things in our world right now where 'seeing is believing' and if it ain't proven by double blind, peer reviewed folks, it ain't true or is suspect.

Funny thing though, the a lot of the same folks believe that most of allopathic medicine has withstood such research and review--which is clearly has NOT--and also accept that God exists even though there is no tangible, empirical evidence of his/her existence. Then there are those who refuse to accept as 'truth' scientific knowledge that most people of even average intellect accept as such.

It's an amazing world we live in. And as we see here, the flip side of celebrating great diversity of technique is boxing oneself into a restrictive, judgmental and dogmatic "belief" systems.

Just my thoughts, for whatever they are worth.

Ann DC

2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

If the consensus of this group is that we're no more than a bunch of metaphysical cultists looks like Verns got his hands full. Lyle Zurflu, D.C.From: "bluepearl2001@..." <bluepearl2001@...>hbf4747@...; Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 3:17:39 PMSubject: Re: 2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Amen, Herb.

As I recall, I was told that WSCC used to induct all students in the healing art called REIKI, understanding the importance of enhancing intuition, subtle palpation and one's ability to transmit healing energy by touch. WSCC has moved to the far right (using a political metaphor) of its origins.

I guess it's like so many things in our world right now where 'seeing is believing' and if it ain't proven by double blind, peer reviewed folks, it ain't true or is suspect.

Funny thing though, the a lot of the same folks believe that most of allopathic medicine has withstood such research and review--which is clearly has NOT--and also accept that God exists even though there is no tangible, empirical evidence of his/her existence. Then there are those who refuse to accept as 'truth' scientific knowledge that most people of even average intellect accept as such.

It's an amazing world we live in. And as we see here, the flip side of celebrating great diversity of technique is boxing oneself into a restrictive, judgmental and dogmatic "belief" systems.

Just my thoughts, for whatever they are worth.

Ann DC

2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

A foot in both the scientific and metaphysical worlds is where most of us stand in ALL things. Why not also in the Chiropractic realm? Even the allopaths are doing research on the power of prayer to heal. Nurses are trained in "Therapeutic Touch", which is the 'laying of hands'. Hello...

Let it be.

Ann DC

2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC

[Guest guest]

A foot in both the scientific and metaphysical worlds is where most of us stand in ALL things. Why not also in the Chiropractic realm? Even the allopaths are doing research on the power of prayer to heal. Nurses are trained in "Therapeutic Touch", which is the 'laying of hands'. Hello...

Let it be.

Ann DC

2 year old with chronic ear infections and allergies

Hi all again. Minga was kind enough to point out that I had not changed the subject line and many may be over reading about PIP surgeons.

I am asking for any treatment advice or wisdom to help this young girl.

Patient is a 2 year old female with chronic ear infections. She has suffered from hearing loss as a result and is speech delayed. Anti-biotics do nothing for her and the infections keep recurring. She is allergic dairy and soy, her mother is unsure about wheat or gluten. Celiac is in the family history. She also suffers from seasonal allergies, her eyes are always weepy and her nose is constantly running. Overall, she appears to be a hypersensitive individual. Her insurance does not cover chiro or ND and her mother is at the end of her rope. She has another infant daughter who is displaying similar symptoms.

I have seen her twice, otoscopic evaluation initially demonstrated erythema in bilateral TM with no bulging visualized. Due to cerum build-up, a fluid line could not be visualized. Treatment consisted of bilateral endonasal and cervical spine manipulation. Follow-up appointment, the left TM looked normal and much improved. No change noted in the right TM.

Thank you in advance for your time!

DeJana, DC