Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 I've had a lot of those side effects, and so have most of the people who have taken it. But mold toxicity is FAR WORSE... Why do you care so much about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Someone said that they didn't believe complaints about cholestyramine were founded. For me vomiting was very bad, so I couldn't take it and that is a big deal to me, since I took the big trip to see Dr Shoe and was hoping to treat my symptoms with CSM. In earlier searches I had done on CSM did not see vomiting but nausea so I was wondering myself, and anything I'm wondering about, someone else might be too. That's what the group experience is supposed to be all about, sharing experiences, and information we find. --- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: > I've had a lot of those side effects, and so have most of the people who have taken it. But mold toxicity is FAR WORSE. Why do you care so much about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 -I haven't tried it yet, but I've had bad reactions to herbs and medicines of all kinds, no dought that some people wont be able to use it, I may be one. maybe some of these are how their processed. theres aspergillus processing and corn fillers and no telling what esle to consider. dont know much in that area. -- In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@...> wrote: > > Someone said that they didn't believe complaints about cholestyramine > were founded. For me vomiting was very bad, so I couldn't take it and > that is a big deal to me, since I took the big trip to see Dr Shoe and > was hoping to treat my symptoms with CSM. In earlier searches I had > done on CSM did not see vomiting but nausea so I was wondering myself, > and anything I'm wondering about, someone else might be too. That's > what the group experience is supposed to be all about, sharing > experiences, and information we find. > > > > I've had a lot of those side effects, and so have most of the people > who have taken it. But mold toxicity is FAR WORSE. Why do you care so > much about this? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 I have the kind that is sweetened so perhaps the sorbitol. I have become sensitive to so many things, but I suspect the tiny insoluable fibers are irritating to my GI system which I am having trouble with right now. > > -I haven't tried it yet, but I've had bad reactions to herbs and > medicines of all kinds, no dought that some people wont be able to > use it, I may be one. maybe some of these are how their processed. > theres aspergillus processing and corn fillers and no telling what > esle to consider. dont know much in that > area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 I have taken CSM for over 2 yrs. and have been very fortunate with no serious side effects at all. At first I had some heartburn, belching, and constipation but only for a short time. I was so sick I thought I was dying but I took it and NEVER missed a dose. I slowly began to feel better and take it now, only, as a maintenance dose unless I get re exposed then it's 4X a day for a week. I wish everyone could have the same success!!!!!!!! Sue Someone said they wondered if people were dissing Cholestyramine had an agenda, so found this. Apparently it is usually well tolerated but some people do have problems with it and here are some side effects. Listed amoung them includes vomiting which was my problem and it is listed oddly enough under 'rare' and also under 'common'. Don't want to harp on this but just shed some light: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/202137.html#SXX18 *************** Check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur: Rare Black, tarry stools; stomach pain (severe) with nausea and vomiting Check with your doctor as soon as possible if any of the following side effects occur: More common Constipation Rare Loss of weight (sudden) Other side effects may occur that usually do not need medical attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body adjusts to the medicine. However, check with your doctor if any of the following side effects continue or are bothersome: More common Heartburn or indigestion; nausea or vomiting; stomach pain Less common Belching; bloating; diarrhea; dizziness; headache Other side effects not listed above may also occur in some patients. If you notice any other effects, check with your doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 My experience has been a bit less uneventful, unfortunately. For me, it seems as if cholestyramine dramatically lessens the amount of time that I have the symptoms, but my symptoms at times get fairly severe even now post-exposure.. But without CSM, I know that I would be in much worse shape. I was really sick before I found it, and if I stop taking it the symptoms come back very fast with even the slightest exposure. Now, I think that I still have a lot of toxins stored in my body, either that or I am so sensitive that I am reacting to my environment now. not surprising given that I was in the mold apt. for a long time. On 5/20/06, ssr3351@... <ssr3351@...> wrote: > > > I have taken CSM for over 2 yrs. and have been very fortunate with no > serious side effects at all. At first I had some heartburn, belching, > and > constipation but only for a short time. I was so sick I thought I was > dying but I > took it and NEVER missed a dose. I slowly began to feel better and take > it now, > only, as a maintenance dose unless I get re exposed then it's 4X a day > for a > week. I wish everyone could have the same success!!!!!!!! > Sue > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Sue, Do you think these symptoms from Cholestyramine (which sound quite similar to the symptoms when one first takes antifungals) are a result of " die off " or herxheimers reaction? Sharon *************** Check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur: Rare Black, tarry stools; stomach pain (severe) with nausea and vomiting Check with your doctor as soon as possible if any of the following side effects occur: More common Constipation Rare Loss of weight (sudden) Other side effects may occur that usually do not need medical attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body adjusts to the medicine. However, check with your doctor if any of the following side effects continue or are bothersome: More common Heartburn or indigestion; nausea or vomiting; stomach pain Less common Belching; bloating; diarrhea; dizziness; headache Other side effects not listed above may also occur in some patients. If you notice any other effects, check with your doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Sharon and Sue, my own theory on side effects is this: CSM is made up of tiny insoluable fibers. For people who may have sensitive gut due to Candidas or fungal overgrowth, digestive upset would be reasonable as many insoluable fibers would irritate, already irritated GI and gut. That accounts for most of side effects described. The black tarry stools could be for people would have ulcers, which constant onslaught of tiny insoluable fibers could irritate to bleed. Black tarry stools generally are a sign of bleeding in upper digestive tract, so in my case I think I need treatment GI tract first before I can tolerate cholestyramine. Other symptoms such as constipation we know is due to the binding and drinking more water may releive that. The loss of weight could be due to people taking it too close to meals and it affecting the absorption of nutrients from meals, or could be those who are throwing up of course, and is listed as rare anyway. Headaches, is listed as less common also, but could be caused by any of the things listed before that, loss of electrolytes in vomiting, loss of nutrients, if taken too close to meals, etc. People who are able to tolerate, may have less GI disturbance, infection in sinuses or lungs, but not GI, etc. This is my guess but it would line up with side effects listed perfectly. > > Sue, > > Do you think these symptoms from Cholestyramine (which sound quite similar > to the symptoms when one first takes antifungals) are a result of " die off " or > herxheimers reaction? > > Sharon > > > *************** > Check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side > effects occur: > > Rare > Black, tarry stools; stomach pain (severe) with nausea and > vomiting > > > Check with your doctor as soon as possible if any of the following > side effects occur: > > More common > Constipation > > > Rare > Loss of weight (sudden) > > > Other side effects may occur that usually do not need medical > attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your > body adjusts to the medicine. However, check with your doctor if any > of the following side effects continue or are bothersome: > > More common > Heartburn or indigestion; nausea or vomiting; stomach pain > > > Less common > Belching; bloating; diarrhea; dizziness; headache > > > Other side effects not listed above may also occur in some patients. > If you notice any other effects, check with your doctor > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 I honestly don't know but many people I've talked to have the symptoms mentioned below. I think it's the body reacting to the poison leaving your body. For example I have heard MANY people describe the black, tarry stools. I had the same for about 2 weeks and I believe it's from the toxins being removed. None of us gets poisoned overnight it's over a period of time & your system is slowly dying. When you start taking medication to rid the toxins your body has a big adjustment to make.I remember feeling worse before feeling better. I slept for hours and hours and was mostly resting for months. Sue, Do you think these symptoms from Cholestyramine (which sound quite similar to the symptoms when one first takes antifungals) are a result of " die off " or herxheimers reaction? Sharon Rare Black, tarry stools; stomach pain (severe) with nausea and vomiting Check with your doctor as soon as possible if any of the following side effects occur: More common Constipation Rare Loss of weight (sudden) Other side effects may occur that usually do not need medical attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body adjusts to the medicine. However, check with your doctor if any of the following side effects continue or are bothersome: More common Heartburn or indigestion; nausea or vomiting; stomach pain Less common Belching; bloating; diarrhea; dizziness; headache Other side effects not listed above may also occur in some patients. If you notice any other effects, check with your doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Barb, I had colitis & intestinal problems about 2 yrs. before finding out what was wrong but wasn't having any when I first started the CSM. The black stools only lasted for about 3 weeks and then went away. No more intestinal problems in over 2 yrs.This illness is different with everyone and makes people sick in so many different ways. Sure would be a lot easier if everyone had the same symptoms!! Sharon and Sue, my own theory on side effects is this: CSM is made up of tiny insoluable fibers. For people who may have sensitive gut due to Candidas or fungal overgrowth, digestive upset would be reasonable as many insoluable fibers would irritate, already irritated GI and gut. That accounts for most of side effects described. The black tarry stools could be for people would have ulcers, which constant onslaught of tiny insoluable fibers could irritate to bleed. Black tarry stools generally are a sign of bleeding in upper digestive tract, so in my case I think I need treatment GI tract first before I can tolerate cholestyramine. Other symptoms such as constipation we know is due to the binding and drinking more water may releive that. The loss of weight could be due to people taking it too close to meals and it affecting the absorption of nutrients from meals, or could be those who are throwing up of course, and is listed as rare anyway. Headaches, is listed as less common also, but could be caused by any of the things listed before that, loss of electrolytes in vomiting, loss of nutrients, if taken too close to meals, etc. People who are able to tolerate, may have less GI disturbance, infection in sinuses or lungs, but not GI, etc. This is my guess but it would line up with side effects listed perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Sharon and Sue, Excuse me. I see in Dr Shoemaker's book he mentions CSM and Herx reaction. I didn't have time to read but apparently some of the reactions to CSM he believes to be Herx. He treats them apparently with Actos. However I don't see any symptoms mentioned like ones below. He mentions brain fog and muscle aches, fatigue, headaches but maybe. I don't think mine were as I am having trouble with a lot of things I take in, food and supplements and medicines. When I told him about the nausea, vomiting, he did not Rx Actos but told me to cut back on the CSM dose. >> > Barb, I had colitis & intestinal problems about 2 yrs. before finding out > what was wrong but wasn't having any when I first started the CSM. The black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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