Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 mollysoap <mollyanne1@...> wrote: I recently found orchid & muguet listed as eo's on a supplier site while searching for white flower eo's. Are these even possible? I'm pretty sure I remember reading there was no way to extract these materials. Are there other white floral eo's available? Molly Hi Molly, You are right-- these two are almost definitely synthetics. For white flowers, Mandy Aftel suggests tuberose, champa, and jasmine absolutes or concretes in combination. H_,_._,___ --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 At 10:50 AM 12/6/2006, you wrote: >mollysoap <mollyanne1@...> >wrote: I recently found orchid & >muguet listed as eo's on a supplier site > while searching for white flower eo's. Are these even possible? I'm > pretty sure I remember reading there was no way to extract these > materials. Are there other white floral eo's available? > > Molly > >Hi Molly, >You are right-- these two are almost definitely synthetics. For >white flowers, Mandy Aftel suggests tuberose, champa, and jasmine >absolutes or concretes in combination. > Hi Molly: I'm seconding what wrote: those are FO's, not true natural aromatics. Can you tell us if the supplier represented them as naturals? Many folks do use FO's, and that is their choice, and there is an industry to supply them. We, however, do not use FO's and some of us have been sucked in - and our wallets sucked dry - by false representation. I'm currently writing an article for my blog on " Bad Suppliers Will Scrooge Ya " aimed at those who falsely represent their aromatics for the naturals industry. It should be up in a day or so. Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Chat Group / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Trimmed again for you Poh Yee!!! Liz >Subject: Re: Orchid & Muguet >Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:12:10 -0500 Anya McCoy wrote >Hi Molly: > >I'm seconding what wrote: those are FO's, not true natural >aromatics. Can you tell us if the supplier represented them as >naturals? Many folks do use FO's, and that is their choice, and there >is an industry to supply them. We, however, do not use FO's and some >of us have been sucked in - and our wallets sucked dry - by false >representation. > >I'm currently writing an article for my blog on " Bad Suppliers Will >Scrooge Ya " aimed at those who falsely represent their aromatics for >the naturals industry. It should be up in a day or so. > Anya/, Thanks for the info/confirmation. I have been wondering these EOs. Have you attempted or is it possible to tincture Muguet in 190 proof alcohol? Is there even an orchid that is highly fragrant? However, I did once purchase one variety, from Costco and it has a slight scent of vanilla. Needless to say, it died from neglect ( thanks Poh Yee _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.\ live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 > Anya/, Thanks for the info/confirmation. I have been wondering these EOs. Have you attempted or is it possible to tincture Muguet in 190 proof alcohol? Is there even an orchid that is highly fragrant? thanks Poh Yee Hi Poh Yee I believe there is a highly fragrant orchid called 'Cattleja' or 'Cattlya' not sure of the spelling..... I thought we had an orchid expert/grower here on NP....??? As for muguet I have never attempted.... there is a house in Hay that in spring by their glass house the ground is covered ....oooooh mmm...their perfume is just the lovliest ... I don't think I could be cheeky tho and ask permission to pluck for tinturing as I think I may need a load!!! My neighbor planted a load of bulbs last year but our little miceeees love them.. Janita --------------------------------- Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 > Hi Poh Yee > > I believe there is a highly fragrant orchid called 'Cattleja' or >'Cattlya' not sure of the spelling..... I thought we had an orchid >expert/grower here on NP....??? > > As for muguet I have never attempted.... there is a house in Hay that >in spring by their glass house the ground is covered ....oooooh >mmm...their perfume is just the lovliest > ... I don't think I could be cheeky tho and ask permission to pluck for >tinturing as I think I may need a load!!! My neighbor planted a load of >bulbs last year but our little miceeees love them.. > > Janita > My neighbour has some too but he pulled a load out a few seasons back. Of course you should ask, They can only say no, but they may say yes ) on the other hand. I am going to be cropping our neighbour's lilac next year. I shall plant some myself too. Is there a particular variety someone can recommend? Anya?? Liz, Sorry that you have to trim for me. I was not sure how much I should be trimming off. I shall be a little more brutal. Sorry ( Poh Yee _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.liv\ e.com/messenger/overview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 > > As for muguet I have never attempted.... there is a house in Hay that in spring by their glass house the ground is covered ....oooooh mmm...their perfume is just the lovliest > ... I don't think I could be cheeky tho and ask permission to pluck for tinturing as I think I may need a load!!! My neighbor planted a load of bulbs last year but our little miceeees love them.. > > Janita > Janita, to just walk up to them, wanting to pluck a bunch of flower would be cheeky. BUT, what if you took a couple of your lovliest creations, started the conversation with complimenting them on their gardening skills, explaining somewhere in there natural perfumery (and your challenge of growing)- demonstrate with the samples you brought. You might not even have to ask, they might offer... Just a thought, ne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Mod Note : Snipped and trimmed.... those are FO's, not true natural > aromatics. Can you tell us if the supplier represented them as > naturals? Many folks do use FO's, and that is their choice, and there > is an industry to supply them. We, however, do not use FO's and some > of us have been sucked in - and our wallets sucked dry - by false > representation. > > I'm currently writing an article for my blog on " Bad Suppliers Will > Scrooge Ya " aimed at those who falsely represent their aromatics for > the naturals industry. It should be up in a day or so. Thank you & Anya! I'll make sure to stay away from this supplier. They were simply listed as eo. If you'd like I can send you the address. Can't wait to see your blog! I've run across a few questionable suppliers lately. Does anyone know a good source for champa and tuberose? Right now I am looking at Liberty Natural. Can anyone here vouch for them? I've not ordered from them before. Thanks! Molly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 From: " mollysoap " <mollyanne1@...> Reply- Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:14:32 -0000 Subject: Re: Orchid & Muguet Mod Note : Snipped and trimmed.... those are FO's, not true natural > aromatics. Can you tell us if the supplier represented them as > naturals? Many folks do use FO's, and that is their choice, and there > is an industry to supply them. We, however, do not use FO's and some > of us have been sucked in - and our wallets sucked dry - by false > representation. > > I'm currently writing an article for my blog on " Bad Suppliers Will > Scrooge Ya " aimed at those who falsely represent their aromatics for > the naturals industry. It should be up in a day or so. Thank you & Anya! I'll make sure to stay away from this supplier. They were simply listed as eo. If you'd like I can send you the address. Can't wait to see your blog! I've run across a few questionable suppliers lately. Does anyone know a good source for champa and tuberose? Right now I am looking at Liberty Natural. Can anyone here vouch for them? I've not ordered from them before. Thanks! Molly whitelotusaromatics.com Wonderful folks Dorothy Dorothy McCall, Cert. Aroma. Kingsbury Fragrances The Royal York 3955 Bigelow Blvd. Ste. 907 Pittsburgh, PA. 15213 (412) 687-2720 www.kingsburyfragrances.com " Vibrating aromatic threads speak of the Divine through tapestries of scent " Dorothy McCall Cert. Aroma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 <Is there even an orchid that is highly fragrant? However, I did once purchase one variety, from Costco and it has a slight scent of vanilla. Needless to say, it died from neglect :> I had a Cattelya orchid once that smelled incredible. The scent was very soft and delicate but very diffusive and tenacious. I would describe it as a light combination of bubble gum(yes, bubble gum!), Jasmine G., and maybe a hint of ylang ylang and vanilla. It's cultivar name was " Betty Ford " . I always remember the name because of all of the jokes going around at the bar I used to work at at the time about going to the Betty Ford clinic. The flowers were fuschia and lavender- pink, with some yellow. It died during the drought last year. It couldn t take the Sahara-type weather! I got it at the Chicago Flower and Garden show from Hausermann Orchids. They still carry the cultivar. Maybe I will get another plant someday. There are apparently tons of fragrant orchids. I don't know the names of them. There is even a book about the fragrant orchids and their fragrances. I was looking through the book at Borders once and I wish I would have bought it-I've never seen it again and I don't remember the title or the author. My mom has two huge patches of lily-of-the-valley in her yard. I also have some in the front of my apartment building. Nothing says spring to me like the scent of lily-of-the-valley. My mom would pick boquets of the flowers, along with lilacs from our neighbors, and have them in the house, scenting the rooms. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 > I recently found orchid & muguet listed as eo's on a supplier site > while searching for white flower eo's. Are these even possible? I'm > pretty sure I remember reading there was no way to extract these > materials. When my personal journey stumbled across the Lovely Valley of Natural Perfumers, I was already intimately familiar with orchid scents. Please note the 's' as there is not one orchid scent but, rather, thousands. I grow a wide variety of orchids and am an accredited judge with the American Orchid Society. Roughly 30% are fragrant - most lightly, a few quite heavily. Searching 'fragrant orchids' will yield a few lists of species & descriptions of their fragrance. Notables include Cattleya dowiana (gorgeously spicy, difficult to grow), Brassavola nodosa, 'The Lady of the Night' (night fragrant (controlled by light), easy to grow with higher light, difficult to describe fragrance) Paphiopedilum delenatii (easy to grow, low light, 'dusty raspberry') and my personal favorite Phalaenopsis bellina, aka P. violacea var. Borneo (fairly easy, low light, warm, incredible lemony vanilla). Almost all of the Encyclias in the prostheceae group have a wonderful honey scent and are among the species that produce enough flowers at one time to consider tincturing. It *is possible* to tincture orchids and even obtain EO from some orchids. It *is not* practical or economical. If someone claims to have an " orchid EO " ask what species it comes from. You will not get an answer... Only a very few, rare, orchid species contain alkaloids which would make them dangerous. The danger would be in the insecticides and fungicides commonly used on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 >snip< the orchid expert wrote >Almost all of the Encyclias in the prostheceae group have a wonderful >honey scent and are among the species that produce enough flowers at >one time to consider tincturing. > , Thanks so much for your info. I never knew that orchid could be so highly fragrant. I did a web search and the species I had was Oncidium. It has a yummy vanilla scent. Which type it is I dont know as it's now been dead for many many years. However, it has a light pinkish white skirt with a dark brownish top. Maybe one day I will try to get the above so that I can try my hands at tincturing it. If not I will just have to dream about it like I did with the Jasmine and Gardenia (that I was in a shop full of gardenias and Jasmine. I was trying to gather all the blooms!) Poh Yee _________________________________________________________________ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.\ live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 brossc <djanvrin@...> wrote: .... a lot about fragrant orchids ..... Hi - I was trying to clip your message here and there and lost everything. I'm really enjoying the few fragrant orchids I have now but I don't make it out at night often enough to smell my Brassavola. I have a couple of cattleya hybrids with really strong 'orchidy' smells that might actually tincture. And there's a native encyclia growing on the tree down the street - maybe I'll steal some blooms next summer. Meanwhile, I'm writing up my wish list for the Miami and Ft. Lauderdale orchid shows that are coming up early in the year. Last year I was looking for species orchids, this year maybe I'll look for fragrant ones. Thanks for the list! Elise http://www.tambela.com --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 mollysoap <mollyanne1@...> wrote: Does anyone know a good source for champa and tuberose? Right now I am looking at Liberty Natural. Can anyone here vouch for them? I've not ordered from them before. Thanks! Molly Hi Molly, Liberty Natural has received mixed reviews from people in this group. I have had pretty good luck with them myself. It is a good idea to order samples first before you invest in larger quantities. Eden is a good source for tuberose and they plan to carry champaca absolute sometime soon but they are taking a long time to update their website so you may need to call them. I think they have champa c02 but it isn't the same. White Lotus is a really good source but you have to buy slightly larger quantities. By the way, champaca is very strong and is best diluted at about 10%. --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 > Liberty Natural has received mixed reviews from people in this group. I have had pretty good luck with them myself. It is a good idea to order samples first before you invest in larger quantities. Eden is a good source for tuberose and they plan to carry champaca absolute sometime soon but they are taking a long time to update their website so you may need to call them. I think they have champa c02 but it isn't the same. White Lotus is a really good source but you have to buy slightly larger quantities. By the way, champaca is very strong and is best diluted at about 10%. > > Thank you ! I seem to have more and more trouble trying to decide which supplier to purchase from. I've looked into White Lotus but I really don't need large quantities. I had been looking at Liberty because they have a fairly low minimum, smaller quantities and hard to find oils. I'll definatley order some samples first. I'll look at Eden Botanicals as well. I've not ordered from them before but have been wanting to purchase some amber to tincture. Thank you for the champaca tip as well. Molly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 At 07:39 AM 12/7/2006, you wrote: >Notables include Cattleya dowiana (gorgeously spicy, difficult to >grow), >Brassavola nodosa, 'The Lady of the Night' (night fragrant (controlled >by light), easy to grow with higher light, difficult to describe >fragrance) >Paphiopedilum delenatii (easy to grow, low light, 'dusty raspberry') >and my personal favorite Phalaenopsis bellina, aka P. violacea var. >Borneo (fairly easy, low light, warm, incredible lemony vanilla). > >Almost all of the Encyclias in the prostheceae group have a wonderful >honey scent and are among the species that produce enough flowers at >one time to consider tincturing. > >It *is possible* to tincture orchids and even obtain EO from some >orchids. It *is not* practical or economical. If someone claims to >have an " orchid EO " ask what species it comes from. You will not get >an answer... I believe when synth perfumers describe an orchid scent they are going for a generic fresh, crisp floral. Heck, there's even a chocolate scented orchid, I remember when it was released, maybe around 1985? Here are some great links to articles or books on orchid scent. The big companies like Givaudan send scientists into the field with headspace technology to capture orchid scents that they later replicate with synths. http://perfumeoflife.org/index.php?showtopic=13042 Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Chat Group / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Snowdrift Farm has 2 delightful ambers available. I orderd some a couple of weeks ago, but have not had a chance to tincture them yet. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 I did a web search and the species I had was Oncidium. It has a > yummy vanilla scent. Which type it is I dont know as it's now been dead for many many years. However, it has a light pinkish white skirt with a dark brownish top. Ah, easy to ID - That's Onc. Sharry Baby 'Sweet Fragrance'. People variously describe its scent as vanilla, chocolate and rose. One of the few fragrant oncidiums. In Florida, if you find a wild encyclia orchid north of the Everglades, there's an 85% probability that it's Enc. tampensis (named for Tampa!). If you see one plant, look around & there will be a lot more in the area - they breed very well. A friend in Naples sent me a box of them after the last hurricane. It is delightfully fragrant & I know of one person in Atlanta who collected the scent using alcohol on cotton-wrapped toothpicks & got a fair amount built up in a test tube. D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 <Heck, there's even a chocolate scented orchid, I remember when it was released, maybe around 1985?> It's a oncidium(I think I spelled it right), and the cultivar name is " Shari Baby " . It's burgundy in color. I went to the Lincoln Park Conservatory today, what better place to be on a sub-zero December day, and there are tons of orchids blooming in the orchid and bromeliad room, many were scented. I'm slightly recovering from a cold, so my nose was a little stuffy, but I did smell the orchids. I stopped and smelled the orchids! Anyway most of them to me smelled exactly like lilacs, especially the first variety I smelled. I tried to remember the name of it so I could pass along the info, but of course I forgot, and of course I didn't have a pen with me. It was really unusual looking, it was splotchy white and lavender and some petals were avacado green. There were many on a stem, which was slightly pendant. I would grow it if I could get my hands on it(and I could actually get it to thrive in the conditons in my home). Most of the other fragrant orchids were definitely cattelyas. I will go back next week with a pen and write down the name of that orchid, and pass it along. I've also heard of an orchid that is supposed to smell like coconut. There is also one that has a pendant infloresence covered with the tiny flowers, looking somewhat like a lizards tail, that is very fragrant. Of course I don't remember the name of that one either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 <snip> Enc. tampensis (named for Tampa!). <snip> It is delightfully fragrant & I know of one person in Atlanta who collected the scent using alcohol on cotton-wrapped toothpicks & got a fair amount built up in a test tube. D Hi , Am I reading you correctly in getting that you're saying that one could wipe alcohol-soaked cotton swabs over the orchid flowers and obtain the scent from them? If so, how fantastic! What a great leisurely project -- get up each new day, brew some coffee, have a few sips, check the orchids, wipe down each new blossom, squeeze the alcohol into a vial, sip some more coffee, go about your day.... I wonder how you'd know that you got all that you could from each flower -- if said blossom would start to give off any ickiness when you've gone too far, like what happens to delicate flowers when they get smashed in alcohol as opposed to just floating aimlessly in it. Now if I could only have plants in my house without a certain little kitty thinking that plants are most definitely NOT supposed to have dirt around their roots (and removing said dirt ever so thoroughly from those roots)... As for the muguet -- we have a bunch that comes up here every spring -- I should most certainly start toying with some enfleurage. Although I don't know if I have enough of them. They were my great- grandmother's favorite flower and she always smelled of Muguet du (de? des?) Bois. Even though it was synthetic, smelling the flowers every spring always reminds me of her. Funny the things that make one immortal... like the Empress phine and her musk. Andrine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 > Am I reading you correctly in getting that you're saying that one > could wipe alcohol-soaked cotton swabs over the orchid flowers and > obtain the scent from them? If so, how fantastic! What a great > leisurely project -- get up each new day, brew some coffee, have a few > sips, check the orchids, wipe down each new blossom, squeeze the > alcohol into a vial, sip some more coffee, go about your day.... > > I wonder how you'd know that you got all that you could from each > flower -- if said blossom would start to give off any ickiness when > you've gone too far, like what happens to delicate flowers when they > get smashed in alcohol as opposed to just floating aimlessly in it. I haven't done it myself, but I think the first swipe would pretty much take care of the flower - the cellular damage from the alc would most likely cause the flower to stop producing fragrance and 'fold'. When I've used alc for mealybug, it does a number on both buds and open flowers that it touches. A key to success if figuring out where the flower is producing fragrance. The assumption is that fragrance comes from the center of flowers, but in reality it's usually at the tips of the petals. In the case of orchids, the osmophores (scent glands) are often at the edge of the lip (modified petal that looks different from the others). The objective is to get the bugs within range to see the flower, then color & structure guide the bug into the pollenation zone. I have 'tinctured' orchids - but not for scent. When I send them for identification, I pickle them in alc. with a little glycerine. It is remarkable how quickly the color leaches from orchid flowers. If I had enough to actually tincture them, I'd pack tightly, then macerate for only an hour or so. Other stuff - The coconut orchid is Maxillaria tenuifolia (translation: the jawbone orchid with long thin leaves). Pretty, easy to grow & blooms reliably for Mother's Day in N. hemisphere. Not sure what the lilac one is. I have a borrowed copy of Kaiser's Fragrance of Orchids. Delightful with plenty of GC analyses of orchid fragrances. Lists Phalaenopsis violacea var. Borneo (now known as P. bellina) that I'm following to create an EO replicate. This hasn't been terribly easy, since I'm translating his chemical signatures into a group of EO's with similar partial signatures without adding notes that don't exist in the real thing. Out of the bottle (alc. base), I'm getting a strong, clashing lemon that settles quickly. The problem seems to be getting past the first minute. I'd appreciate recommendations on how to put some more control into the first blast. An oil base works well for this, but would prefer to end up with an alc base. I have some resinoids (benzoin, frankincense) as fixatives already, so would prefer some other fixative. Blend #7 has aged a few weeks - can I hope that it will meld with time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 responded and then Janita enquires and continues.................................. > Am I reading you correctly in getting that you're saying that one > could wipe alcohol-soaked cotton swabs over the orchid flowers and > obtain the scent from them? If so, how fantastic! What a great > I haven't done it myself, but I think the first swipe would pretty much take care of the flower - the cellular damage from the alc would most likely cause the flower to stop producing fragrance and 'fold'. When I've used alc for mealybug, it does a number on both buds and open flowers that it touches. A key to success if figuring out where the flower is producing fragrance. Janita enquires:-) Hi ........ you are describing above using alcohol on the petal and subsequently the flower folding because of the alcohol ..... what happens if just a wipe without alcohol with something that could be then immersed in the alcohol afterwards or would it absorb to much in the absorbant and not yield afterwards in the alcohol?> I have 'tinctured' orchids - but not for scent. When I send them for identification, I pickle them in alc. with a little glycerine. It is remarkable how quickly the color leaches from orchid flowers. If I had enough to actually tincture them, I'd pack tightly, then macerate for only an hour or so. Janita > what sort of oil would you think would give up the odour without it clagging up?< >>>>>>>>>>>>I'm following to create an EO replicate. This hasn't been terribly easy, since I'm translating his chemical signatures into a group of EO's with similar partial signatures without adding notes that don't exist in the real thing. Out of the bottle (alc. base), I'm getting a strong, clashing lemon that settles quickly. The problem seems to be getting past the first minute. I'd appreciate recommendations on how to put some more control into the first blast. An oil base works well for this, but would prefer to end up with an alc base. I have some resinoids (benzoin, frankincense) as fixatives already, so would prefer some other fixative. Janita> Poucher is helpful :-) no definate rule for choice of fixation...every perfumer has his own methods. you could try clary sage,, ambergris for nuances in fixation in the above look at Poucher Vol 11 page 65- 69........ you could try pre-fixation with the alcohol before adding any additional odours..... Adding 1 gram to approx 1 litre.....will neutralise its characteristic aroma in a few weeks without giving it any specific odour without the risk of spoiling a particular floral you are creating. Any other fixative the suggestion is to keep within the flower odour you are trying to imitate. > hope the above helpful this may help for the complexities.in the nuances...janita Blend #7 has aged a few weeks - can I hope that it will meld with time? Just loving what you are doing.... .... good luck with it all.... please do keep in touch here with how it is going..... utterly fascinated. Janitahaan Morrris ascent www.hayspace.co.uk --------------------------------- The all-new goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 I'd appreciate recommendations on how to put some more control into the first blast. An oil base works well for this, but would prefer to end up with an alc base. I have some resinoids (benzoin, frankincense) as fixatives already, so would prefer some other fixative. Blend #7 has aged a few weeks - can I hope that it will meld with time? For Orchid Fixation you could try Oakmoss, Benzoin (as per mentioned above) , Peru, Ylang-Ylang,..... Janita Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 > > <Is > there even an orchid that is highly fragrant? Hi all! FYI In the Burren in Co. Clare, there is an abundance of wild alpine flowers, both rare and not so rare, among these several species of orchid are found, the one named below is very fragrant and grows in profusion for the spring/summer months: Gymnadenia conopsea Fragrant orchid/in Irish:Lus taghla http://www.burrenbeo.com/burren-flora-orchids.aspx?objID=Article the above link will give you an example of the huge variety of orchids that grow there. Here is a link that gives you more details and some good images: http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~pnielsen/orchids3.htm If you ever come to Ireland, visit the Burren. Bring a tent and camp up under some trees, the farmers never mind and neither do the wild goats and sheep. The landscape is out of this world and the wild life (flora and fauna) is spectacular. Ruth http://www.whitewitch.ie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 " Shea " wrote: > > > there even an orchid that is highly fragrant? Hi all! FYI In the Burren in Co. Clare, there is an abundance of wild alpine flowers, both rare and not so rare, among these several species of orchid are found, the one named below is very fragrant and grows in profusion for the spring/summer months: Gymnadenia conopsea Fragrant orchid/in Irish:Lus taghla http://www.burrenbeo.com/burren-flora-orchids.aspx?objID=Article the above link will give you an example of the huge variety of orchids that grow there. Here is a link that gives you more details and some good images: http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~pnielsen/orchids3.htm If you ever come to Ireland, visit the Burren. Bring a tent and camp up under some trees,>>>>>>>>>>>>The landscape is out of this world and the wild life (flora and fauna) is spectacular. Ruth http://www.whitewitch.ie Hey Ruth, and all A book for reference would also come in handy... for identification in the field...This one I have in my collection is lovely and has good photos ........ Orchids of Britain - a field guide by Lang Just got back from a visit to the cinema 'Casino Royale' new Bond v good.. waiting for perfume tho....... Janita www.hayspace.co.uk --------------------------------- All new " The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. " - PC Magazine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 > > > there even an orchid that is highly fragrant?< Well, since Vanilla is an orchid, why not obtain the aromachemicals for other orchids the same way? Sue Apito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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