Re: Orchid & Muguet

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mollysoap <mollyanne1@...> wrote: I

recently found orchid & muguet listed as eo's on a supplier site

while searching for white flower eo's. Are these even possible? I'm

pretty sure I remember reading there was no way to extract these

materials. Are there other white floral eo's available?

Molly

Hi Molly,

You are right-- these two are almost definitely synthetics. For white flowers,

Mandy Aftel suggests tuberose, champa, and jasmine absolutes or concretes in

combination.

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At 10:50 AM 12/6/2006, you wrote:

>mollysoap <mollyanne1@...>

>wrote: I recently found orchid &

>muguet listed as eo's on a supplier site

> while searching for white flower eo's. Are these even possible? I'm

> pretty sure I remember reading there was no way to extract these

> materials. Are there other white floral eo's available?

>

> Molly

>

>Hi Molly,

>You are right-- these two are almost definitely synthetics. For

>white flowers, Mandy Aftel suggests tuberose, champa, and jasmine

>absolutes or concretes in combination.

>

Hi Molly:

I'm seconding what wrote: those are FO's, not true natural

aromatics. Can you tell us if the supplier represented them as

naturals? Many folks do use FO's, and that is their choice, and there

is an industry to supply them. We, however, do not use FO's and some

of us have been sucked in - and our wallets sucked dry - by false

representation.

I'm currently writing an article for my blog on " Bad Suppliers Will

Scrooge Ya " aimed at those who falsely represent their aromatics for

the naturals industry. It should be up in a day or so.

Anya McCoy

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Trimmed again for you Poh Yee!!! Liz

>Subject: Re: Orchid & Muguet

>Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:12:10 -0500

Anya McCoy wrote

>Hi Molly:

>

>I'm seconding what wrote: those are FO's, not true natural

>aromatics. Can you tell us if the supplier represented them as

>naturals? Many folks do use FO's, and that is their choice, and there

>is an industry to supply them. We, however, do not use FO's and some

>of us have been sucked in - and our wallets sucked dry - by false

>representation.

>

>I'm currently writing an article for my blog on " Bad Suppliers Will

>Scrooge Ya " aimed at those who falsely represent their aromatics for

>the naturals industry. It should be up in a day or so.

>

Anya/,

Thanks for the info/confirmation. I have been wondering these EOs. Have you

attempted or is it possible to tincture Muguet in 190 proof alcohol? Is

there even an orchid that is highly fragrant?

However, I did once purchase one variety, from Costco and it has a slight

scent of vanilla. Needless to say, it died from neglect (

thanks

Poh Yee

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>

Anya/,

Thanks for the info/confirmation. I have been wondering these EOs. Have you

attempted or is it possible to tincture Muguet in 190 proof alcohol? Is

there even an orchid that is highly fragrant?

thanks

Poh Yee

Hi Poh Yee

I believe there is a highly fragrant orchid called 'Cattleja' or 'Cattlya' not

sure of the spelling..... I thought we had an orchid expert/grower here on

NP....???

As for muguet I have never attempted.... there is a house in Hay that in

spring by their glass house the ground is covered ....oooooh mmm...their

perfume is just the lovliest

... I don't think I could be cheeky tho and ask permission to pluck for

tinturing as I think I may need a load!!! My neighbor planted a load of bulbs

last year but our little miceeees love them..

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> Hi Poh Yee

>

> I believe there is a highly fragrant orchid called 'Cattleja' or

>'Cattlya' not sure of the spelling..... I thought we had an orchid

>expert/grower here on NP....???

>

> As for muguet I have never attempted.... there is a house in Hay that

>in spring by their glass house the ground is covered ....oooooh

>mmm...their perfume is just the lovliest

> ... I don't think I could be cheeky tho and ask permission to pluck for

>tinturing as I think I may need a load!!! My neighbor planted a load of

>bulbs last year but our little miceeees love them..

>

> Janita

>

My neighbour has some too but he pulled a load out a few seasons back. Of

course you should ask, They can only say no, but they may say yes ) on the

other hand. I am going to be cropping our neighbour's lilac next year. I

shall plant some myself too. Is there a particular variety someone can

recommend? Anya??

Liz, Sorry that you have to trim for me. I was not sure how much I should be

trimming off. I shall be a little more brutal. Sorry (

Poh Yee

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>

> As for muguet I have never attempted.... there is a house in Hay that

in spring by their glass house the ground is covered ....oooooh

mmm...their perfume is just the lovliest

> ... I don't think I could be cheeky tho and ask permission to pluck

for tinturing as I think I may need a load!!! My neighbor planted a load

of bulbs last year but our little miceeees love them..

>

> Janita

>

Janita, to just walk up to them, wanting to pluck a bunch of flower

would be cheeky. BUT, what if you took a couple of your lovliest

creations, started the conversation with complimenting them on their

gardening skills, explaining somewhere in there natural perfumery (and

your challenge of growing)- demonstrate with the samples you brought.

You might not even have to ask, they might offer...

Just a thought,

ne

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Mod Note : Snipped and trimmed....

those are FO's, not true natural

> aromatics. Can you tell us if the supplier represented them as

> naturals? Many folks do use FO's, and that is their choice, and there

> is an industry to supply them. We, however, do not use FO's and some

> of us have been sucked in - and our wallets sucked dry - by false

> representation.

>

> I'm currently writing an article for my blog on " Bad Suppliers Will

> Scrooge Ya " aimed at those who falsely represent their aromatics for

> the naturals industry. It should be up in a day or so.

Thank you & Anya! I'll make sure to stay away from this

supplier. They were simply listed as eo. If you'd like I can send

you the address. Can't wait to see your blog! I've run across a few

questionable suppliers lately.

Does anyone know a good source for champa and tuberose? Right now I

am looking at Liberty Natural. Can anyone here vouch for them? I've

not ordered from them before.

Thanks!

Molly

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From: " mollysoap " <mollyanne1@...>

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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:14:32 -0000

Subject: Re: Orchid & Muguet

Mod Note : Snipped and trimmed....

those are FO's, not true natural

> aromatics. Can you tell us if the supplier represented them as

> naturals? Many folks do use FO's, and that is their choice, and there

> is an industry to supply them. We, however, do not use FO's and some

> of us have been sucked in - and our wallets sucked dry - by false

> representation.

>

> I'm currently writing an article for my blog on " Bad Suppliers Will

> Scrooge Ya " aimed at those who falsely represent their aromatics for

> the naturals industry. It should be up in a day or so.

Thank you & Anya! I'll make sure to stay away from this

supplier. They were simply listed as eo. If you'd like I can send

you the address. Can't wait to see your blog! I've run across a few

questionable suppliers lately.

Does anyone know a good source for champa and tuberose? Right now I

am looking at Liberty Natural. Can anyone here vouch for them? I've

not ordered from them before.

Thanks!

Molly

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<Is

there even an orchid that is highly fragrant?

However, I did once purchase one variety, from Costco and it has a

slight

scent of vanilla. Needless to say, it died from neglect :>

I had a Cattelya orchid once that smelled incredible. The scent was

very soft and delicate but very diffusive and tenacious. I would

describe it as a light combination of bubble gum(yes, bubble gum!),

Jasmine G., and maybe a hint of ylang ylang and vanilla. It's cultivar

name was " Betty Ford " . I always remember the name because of all of

the jokes going around at the bar I used to work at at the time about

going to the Betty Ford clinic. The flowers were fuschia and lavender-

pink, with some yellow. It died during the drought last year. It couldn

t take the Sahara-type weather! I got it at the Chicago Flower and

Garden show from Hausermann Orchids. They still carry the cultivar.

Maybe I will get another plant someday.

There are apparently tons of fragrant orchids. I don't know the

names of them. There is even a book about the fragrant orchids and

their fragrances. I was looking through the book at Borders once and I

wish I would have bought it-I've never seen it again and I don't

remember the title or the author.

My mom has two huge patches of lily-of-the-valley in her yard. I also

have some in the front of my apartment building. Nothing says spring

to me like the scent of lily-of-the-valley. My mom would pick boquets

of the flowers, along with lilacs from our neighbors, and have them in

the house, scenting the rooms. Nice.

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> I recently found orchid & muguet listed as eo's on a supplier site

> while searching for white flower eo's. Are these even possible? I'm

> pretty sure I remember reading there was no way to extract these

> materials.

When my personal journey stumbled across the Lovely Valley of Natural

Perfumers, I was already intimately familiar with orchid scents.

Please note the 's' as there is not one orchid scent but, rather,

thousands. I grow a wide variety of orchids and am an accredited

judge with the American Orchid Society.

Roughly 30% are fragrant - most lightly, a few quite heavily.

Searching 'fragrant orchids' will yield a few lists of species &

descriptions of their fragrance.

Notables include Cattleya dowiana (gorgeously spicy, difficult to

grow),

Brassavola nodosa, 'The Lady of the Night' (night fragrant (controlled

by light), easy to grow with higher light, difficult to describe

fragrance)

Paphiopedilum delenatii (easy to grow, low light, 'dusty raspberry')

and my personal favorite Phalaenopsis bellina, aka P. violacea var.

Borneo (fairly easy, low light, warm, incredible lemony vanilla).

Almost all of the Encyclias in the prostheceae group have a wonderful

honey scent and are among the species that produce enough flowers at

one time to consider tincturing.

It *is possible* to tincture orchids and even obtain EO from some

orchids. It *is not* practical or economical. If someone claims to

have an " orchid EO " ask what species it comes from. You will not get

an answer...

Only a very few, rare, orchid species contain alkaloids which would

make them dangerous. The danger would be in the insecticides and

fungicides commonly used on them.

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>snip<

the orchid expert wrote

>Almost all of the Encyclias in the prostheceae group have a wonderful

>honey scent and are among the species that produce enough flowers at

>one time to consider tincturing.

>

,

Thanks so much for your info. I never knew that orchid could be so highly

fragrant. I did a web search and the species I had was Oncidium. It has a

yummy vanilla scent. Which type it is I dont know as it's now been dead for

many many years. However, it has a light pinkish white skirt with a dark

brownish top.

Maybe one day I will try to get the above so that I can try my hands at

tincturing it. If not I will just have to dream about it like I did with the

Jasmine and Gardenia (that I was in a shop full of gardenias and Jasmine. I

was trying to gather all the blooms!)

Poh Yee

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brossc <djanvrin@...> wrote: .... a lot about fragrant orchids .....

Hi -

I was trying to clip your message here and there and lost everything. I'm

really enjoying the few fragrant orchids I have now but I don't make it out at

night often enough to smell my Brassavola. I have a couple of cattleya hybrids

with really strong 'orchidy' smells that might actually tincture. And there's a

native encyclia growing on the tree down the street - maybe I'll steal some

blooms next summer.

Meanwhile, I'm writing up my wish list for the Miami and Ft. Lauderdale orchid

shows that are coming up early in the year. Last year I was looking for species

orchids, this year maybe I'll look for fragrant ones. Thanks for the list!

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mollysoap <mollyanne1@...> wrote:

Does anyone know a good source for champa and tuberose? Right now I

am looking at Liberty Natural. Can anyone here vouch for them? I've

not ordered from them before.

Thanks!

Molly

Hi Molly,

Liberty Natural has received mixed reviews from people in this group. I have

had pretty good luck with them myself. It is a good idea to order samples

first before you invest in larger quantities. Eden is a good source for

tuberose and they plan to carry champaca absolute sometime soon but they are

taking a long time to update their website so you may need to call them. I

think they have champa c02 but it isn't the same. White Lotus is a really good

source but you have to buy slightly larger quantities. By the way, champaca is

very strong and is best diluted at about 10%.

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> Liberty Natural has received mixed reviews from people in this

group. I have had pretty good luck with them myself. It is a good

idea to order samples first before you invest in larger quantities.

Eden is a good source for tuberose and they plan to carry champaca

absolute sometime soon but they are taking a long time to update their

website so you may need to call them. I think they have champa c02

but it isn't the same. White Lotus is a really good source but you

have to buy slightly larger quantities. By the way, champaca is very

strong and is best diluted at about 10%.

>

>

Thank you ! I seem to have more and more trouble trying to

decide which supplier to purchase from. I've looked into White Lotus

but I really don't need large quantities. I had been looking at

Liberty because they have a fairly low minimum, smaller quantities and

hard to find oils. I'll definatley order some samples first. I'll

look at Eden Botanicals as well. I've not ordered from them before

but have been wanting to purchase some amber to tincture. Thank you

for the champaca tip as well.

Molly

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At 07:39 AM 12/7/2006, you wrote:

>Notables include Cattleya dowiana (gorgeously spicy, difficult to

>grow),

>Brassavola nodosa, 'The Lady of the Night' (night fragrant (controlled

>by light), easy to grow with higher light, difficult to describe

>fragrance)

>Paphiopedilum delenatii (easy to grow, low light, 'dusty raspberry')

>and my personal favorite Phalaenopsis bellina, aka P. violacea var.

>Borneo (fairly easy, low light, warm, incredible lemony vanilla).

>

>Almost all of the Encyclias in the prostheceae group have a wonderful

>honey scent and are among the species that produce enough flowers at

>one time to consider tincturing.

>

>It *is possible* to tincture orchids and even obtain EO from some

>orchids. It *is not* practical or economical. If someone claims to

>have an " orchid EO " ask what species it comes from. You will not get

>an answer...

I believe when synth perfumers describe an orchid scent they are

going for a generic fresh, crisp floral. Heck, there's even a

chocolate scented orchid, I remember when it was released, maybe around 1985?

Here are some great links to articles or books on orchid scent. The

big companies like Givaudan send scientists into the field with

headspace technology to capture orchid scents that they later

replicate with synths.

http://perfumeoflife.org/index.php?showtopic=13042

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Snowdrift Farm has 2 delightful ambers available. I orderd some a

couple of weeks ago, but have not had a chance to tincture them yet.

Deb

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I did a web search and the species I had was Oncidium. It has a

> yummy vanilla scent. Which type it is I dont know as it's now been

dead for many many years. However, it has a light pinkish white skirt

with a dark brownish top.

Ah, easy to ID - That's Onc. Sharry Baby 'Sweet Fragrance'. People

variously describe its scent as vanilla, chocolate and rose. One of

the few fragrant oncidiums.

In Florida, if you find a wild encyclia orchid north of the

Everglades, there's an 85% probability that it's Enc. tampensis (named

for Tampa!). If you see one plant, look around & there will be a lot

more in the area - they breed very well. A friend in Naples sent me a

box of them after the last hurricane.

It is delightfully fragrant & I know of one person in Atlanta who

collected the scent using alcohol on cotton-wrapped toothpicks & got a

fair amount built up in a test tube.

D

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<Heck, there's even a

chocolate scented orchid, I remember when it was released, maybe

around 1985?>

It's a oncidium(I think I spelled it right), and the cultivar name

is " Shari Baby " . It's burgundy in color.

I went to the Lincoln Park Conservatory today, what better place to be

on a sub-zero December day, and there are tons of orchids blooming in

the orchid and bromeliad room, many were scented. I'm slightly

recovering from a cold, so my nose was a little stuffy, but I did smell

the orchids. I stopped and smelled the orchids! Anyway most of them to

me smelled exactly like lilacs, especially the first variety I smelled.

I tried to remember the name of it so I could pass along the info, but

of course I forgot, and of course I didn't have a pen with me. It was

really unusual looking, it was splotchy white and lavender and some

petals were avacado green. There were many on a stem, which was

slightly pendant. I would grow it if I could get my hands on it(and I

could actually get it to thrive in the conditons in my home). Most of

the other fragrant orchids were definitely cattelyas. I will go back

next week with a pen and write down the name of that orchid, and pass

it along.

I've also heard of an orchid that is supposed to smell like coconut.

There is also one that has a pendant infloresence covered with the tiny

flowers, looking somewhat like a lizards tail, that is very fragrant.

Of course I don't remember the name of that one either.

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<snip> Enc. tampensis (named for Tampa!). <snip> It is delightfully

fragrant & I know of one person in Atlanta who collected the scent

using alcohol on cotton-wrapped toothpicks & got a fair amount built

up in a test tube.

D

Hi ,

Am I reading you correctly in getting that you're saying that one

could wipe alcohol-soaked cotton swabs over the orchid flowers and

obtain the scent from them? If so, how fantastic! What a great

leisurely project -- get up each new day, brew some coffee, have a few

sips, check the orchids, wipe down each new blossom, squeeze the

alcohol into a vial, sip some more coffee, go about your day....

I wonder how you'd know that you got all that you could from each

flower -- if said blossom would start to give off any ickiness when

you've gone too far, like what happens to delicate flowers when they

get smashed in alcohol as opposed to just floating aimlessly in it.

Now if I could only have plants in my house without a certain little

kitty thinking that plants are most definitely NOT supposed to have

dirt around their roots (and removing said dirt ever so thoroughly

from those roots)...

As for the muguet -- we have a bunch that comes up here every spring --

I should most certainly start toying with some enfleurage. Although

I don't know if I have enough of them. They were my great-

grandmother's favorite flower and she always smelled of Muguet du (de?

des?) Bois. Even though it was synthetic, smelling the flowers every

spring always reminds me of her. Funny the things that make one

immortal... like the Empress phine and her musk.

Andrine

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> Am I reading you correctly in getting that you're saying that one

> could wipe alcohol-soaked cotton swabs over the orchid flowers and

> obtain the scent from them? If so, how fantastic! What a great

> leisurely project -- get up each new day, brew some coffee, have a

few

> sips, check the orchids, wipe down each new blossom, squeeze the

> alcohol into a vial, sip some more coffee, go about your day....

>

> I wonder how you'd know that you got all that you could from each

> flower -- if said blossom would start to give off any ickiness when

> you've gone too far, like what happens to delicate flowers when they

> get smashed in alcohol as opposed to just floating aimlessly in it.

I haven't done it myself, but I think the first swipe would pretty

much take care of the flower - the cellular damage from the alc would

most likely cause the flower to stop producing fragrance and 'fold'.

When I've used alc for mealybug, it does a number on both buds and

open flowers that it touches.

A key to success if figuring out where the flower is producing

fragrance. The assumption is that fragrance comes from the center of

flowers, but in reality it's usually at the tips of the petals. In

the case of orchids, the osmophores (scent glands) are often at the

edge of the lip (modified petal that looks different from the

others). The objective is to get the bugs within range to see the

flower, then color & structure guide the bug into the pollenation zone.

I have 'tinctured' orchids - but not for scent. When I send them for

identification, I pickle them in alc. with a little glycerine. It is

remarkable how quickly the color leaches from orchid flowers. If I

had enough to actually tincture them, I'd pack tightly, then macerate

for only an hour or so.

Other stuff -

The coconut orchid is Maxillaria tenuifolia (translation: the jawbone

orchid with long thin leaves). Pretty, easy to grow & blooms reliably

for Mother's Day in N. hemisphere. Not sure what the lilac one is.

I have a borrowed copy of Kaiser's Fragrance of Orchids. Delightful

with plenty of GC analyses of orchid fragrances. Lists Phalaenopsis

violacea var. Borneo (now known as P. bellina) that I'm following to

create an EO replicate.

This hasn't been terribly easy, since I'm translating his chemical

signatures into a group of EO's with similar partial signatures

without adding notes that don't exist in the real thing. Out of the

bottle (alc. base), I'm getting a strong, clashing lemon that settles

quickly. The problem seems to be getting past the first minute.

I'd appreciate recommendations on how to put some more control into

the first blast. An oil base works well for this, but would prefer to

end up with an alc base. I have some resinoids (benzoin,

frankincense) as fixatives already, so would prefer some other

fixative. Blend #7 has aged a few weeks - can I hope that it will

meld with time?

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and then Janita enquires and continues..................................

> Am I reading you correctly in getting that you're saying that one

> could wipe alcohol-soaked cotton swabs over the orchid flowers and

> obtain the scent from them? If so, how fantastic! What a great

>

I haven't done it myself, but I think the first swipe would pretty

much take care of the flower - the cellular damage from the alc would

most likely cause the flower to stop producing fragrance and 'fold'.

When I've used alc for mealybug, it does a number on both buds and

open flowers that it touches.

A key to success if figuring out where the flower is producing

fragrance.

Janita enquires:-)

Hi ........ you are describing above using alcohol on the petal and

subsequently the flower folding because of the alcohol ..... what happens if

just a wipe without alcohol with something that could be then immersed in the

alcohol afterwards or would it absorb to much in the absorbant and not yield

afterwards in the alcohol?>

I have 'tinctured' orchids - but not for scent. When I send them for

identification, I pickle them in alc. with a little glycerine. It is

remarkable how quickly the color leaches from orchid flowers. If I

had enough to actually tincture them, I'd pack tightly, then macerate

for only an hour or so.

Janita > what sort of oil would you think would give up the odour without it

clagging up?<

>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm following to

create an EO replicate.

This hasn't been terribly easy, since I'm translating his chemical

signatures into a group of EO's with similar partial signatures

without adding notes that don't exist in the real thing. Out of the

bottle (alc. base), I'm getting a strong, clashing lemon that settles

quickly. The problem seems to be getting past the first minute.

I'd appreciate recommendations on how to put some more control into

the first blast.

An oil base works well for this, but would prefer to

end up with an alc base. I have some resinoids (benzoin,

frankincense) as fixatives already, so would prefer some other

fixative.

Janita> Poucher is helpful :-)

no definate rule for choice of fixation...every perfumer has his own methods.

you could try clary sage,, ambergris

for nuances in fixation in the above look at Poucher Vol 11 page 65-

69........

you could try pre-fixation with the alcohol before adding any additional

odours.....

Adding 1 gram to approx 1 litre.....will neutralise its characteristic aroma

in a few weeks without giving it any specific odour without the risk of spoiling

a particular floral you are creating. Any other fixative the suggestion is to

keep within the flower odour you are trying to imitate.

> hope the above helpful this may help for the complexities.in the

nuances...janita

Blend #7 has aged a few weeks - can I hope that it will

meld with time?

Just loving what you are doing.... .... good luck with it all.... please

do keep in touch here with how it is going..... utterly fascinated.

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I'd appreciate recommendations on how to put some more control into

the first blast. An oil base works well for this, but would prefer to

end up with an alc base. I have some resinoids (benzoin,

frankincense) as fixatives already, so would prefer some other

fixative. Blend #7 has aged a few weeks - can I hope that it will

meld with time?

For Orchid Fixation you could try

Oakmoss, Benzoin (as per mentioned above) , Peru, Ylang-Ylang,.....

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>

> <Is

> there even an orchid that is highly fragrant?

Hi all!

FYI

In the Burren in Co. Clare, there is an abundance of wild alpine

flowers, both rare and not so rare, among these several species of

orchid are found, the one named below is very fragrant and grows in

profusion for the spring/summer months:

Gymnadenia conopsea

Fragrant orchid/in Irish:Lus taghla

http://www.burrenbeo.com/burren-flora-orchids.aspx?objID=Article

the above link will give you an example of the huge variety of orchids

that grow there.

Here is a link that gives you more details and some good images:

http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~pnielsen/orchids3.htm

If you ever come to Ireland, visit the Burren. Bring a tent and camp

up under some trees, the farmers never mind and neither do the wild

goats and sheep. The landscape is out of this world and the wild life

(flora and fauna) is spectacular.

Ruth

http://www.whitewitch.ie

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" Shea "

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> > there even an orchid that is highly fragrant?

Hi all!

FYI

In the Burren in Co. Clare, there is an abundance of wild alpine

flowers, both rare and not so rare, among these several species of

orchid are found, the one named below is very fragrant and grows in

profusion for the spring/summer months:

Gymnadenia conopsea

Fragrant orchid/in Irish:Lus taghla

http://www.burrenbeo.com/burren-flora-orchids.aspx?objID=Article

the above link will give you an example of the huge variety of orchids

that grow there.

Here is a link that gives you more details and some good images:

http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~pnielsen/orchids3.htm

If you ever come to Ireland, visit the Burren. Bring a tent and camp

up under some trees,>>>>>>>>>>>>The landscape is out of this world and the wild

life

(flora and fauna) is spectacular.

Ruth

http://www.whitewitch.ie

Hey Ruth, and all

A book for reference would also come in handy... for identification in the

field...This one I have in my collection is lovely and has good photos ........

Orchids of Britain - a field guide by Lang

Just got back from a visit to the cinema 'Casino Royale' new Bond v good..

waiting for perfume tho.......

Janita

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> > > there even an orchid that is highly fragrant?<

Well, since Vanilla is an orchid, why not obtain the aromachemicals for

other orchids the same way?

Sue Apito