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Poh Yee Ooi-Holmes <pyoh@...> wrote: Can someone describe to me what

tuberose Abs should smell like.

I once had a tuberose floral wax sample and now have a small sample of

tuberose Abs. They dont smell the same.

thanks in advance

Poh Yee

Hi Poh Yee

Polianthes Tuberosa (tuberose)

aroma:- Heavy-floral,very sweet, spicy.narcotic heady

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>Poh Yee Ooi-Holmes <pyoh@...> wrote: Can someone describe to me

>what tuberose Abs should smell like.

>

>I once had a tuberose floral wax sample and now have a small sample of

>tuberose Abs. They dont smell the same.

>

>thanks in advance

>

>Poh Yee

>

> Hi Poh Yee

>

> Polianthes Tuberosa (tuberose)

> aroma:- Heavy-floral,very sweet, spicy.narcotic heady

>

>Janita

>

Thanks janita. That's what I thought, I remember growing them when I was

growing up in Malaysia. We believe that one of our deities " Kwan Yin " loves

this flower and very often on special occasion make this offering to her.

The floral wax is nice but the Abs smell dreaful. I haev diluted the saple

in a little alcohol. I hope this would perhaps bring out the floral, sweet

scent that I remember.

Thanks again

Poh Yee

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At 02:58 PM 12/12/2006, you wrote:

> > Polianthes Tuberosa (tuberose)

> > aroma:- Heavy-floral,very sweet, spicy.narcotic heady

> >

> >Janita

> >

>

>Thanks janita. That's what I thought, I remember growing them when I was

>growing up in Malaysia. We believe that one of our deities " Kwan Yin " loves

>this flower and very often on special occasion make this offering to her.

>

>The floral wax is nice but the Abs smell dreaful. I haev diluted the saple

>in a little alcohol. I hope this would perhaps bring out the floral, sweet

>scent that I remember.

>

>Thanks again

>Poh Yee

Something sounds wrong here, Poh Yee. The tuberose abs should not

smell dreadful. Email me off list.

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> Can someone describe to me what tuberose Abs should smell like.

>

> I once had a tuberose floral wax sample and now have a small sample of

> tuberose Abs. They dont smell the same.

>

> thanks in advance

>

> Poh Yee

Hi Poh Yee,

I have myself experienced tuberose absolute for the first time

recently as I was given a small sample.

To my nose it is very tenacious and has many layers.

I would say that if you smell it straight from the vial, the top note

hits you immediatly, which when I smell it, it brings the word

" tuberous " or " vegetable " into my head, almost chlorophyl but more

fleeting thankfully...then once that lifts the heady smell of lilys

gathers and swells to a floral abundance.

It needs time...rather than dilution... IMO... to give way to it's

heart...and if you leave it long enough it has an almost powdery dryout!

Does this sound right to anyone? Maybe I need to get my nose checked?

Instead of diluting it just rub the tiniest smudge on a piece of

cotton and leave it alone for a half an hour/hour/day...ahh then it

stirs the soul...listen to me ranting, anyway my two cent's worth.

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<then once that lifts the heady smell of lilys

gathers and swells to a floral abundance. >

Well, that is how I would describe the actual flowers, on the stem, in a vase

in your room scenting your house. I would also describe a note like sweetgrass,

or a meadow, and even a hint of bubble gum(wintergreen?).

The absolute, I cant' quite describe, maybe more " fuzzy " ?

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--- Ruth Ruane <ruth@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Poh Yee,

>

> I have myself experienced tuberose absolute for the

> first time

> recently as I was given a small sample.

> To my nose it is very tenacious and has many layers.

>

>

> I would say that if you smell it straight from the

> vial, the top note

> hits you immediatly, which when I smell it, it

> brings the word

> " tuberous " or " vegetable " into my head, almost

> chlorophyl but more

> fleeting thankfully...then once that lifts the heady

> smell of lilys

> gathers and swells to a floral abundance.

>

> Does this sound right to anyone? Maybe I need to get

> my nose checked?

>

Ruth,

This does sound right to me and you may actually have

hit on the real reason I have trouble with tuberose--

the lilies! I have very negative associations with

lilies through no fault of their own. Just a terrible

time in my life when the room was full of the smell of

stargazer lilies. I used to love the smell but since

that time, I can't stand to be around them. I really

think maybe tuberose reminds me of stargazer lilies!

Interesting!

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> I doubt you have bad taste in smells but people do

> have different preferences.

>

> Also, there is a theory -- and I won't be offended

> if you laugh -- that says different plants/scents

> have different vibrations and therefore affect

> people not only by scent but by vibration. In other

> words, a person with a high vibration might not like

> oils and scents with very high vibrations of

> their own because it might be too much, kind of like

> overloading a circuit.

>

> Just a thought, albeit a strange one.

> Beth

Beth,

This is really interesting. I definitely wouldn't

laugh! I think this could explain why people adore

certain smells and not others. But I also think my

earlier post about stargazer lilies is the real reason

tuberose hits me so strongly-- a very negative

association with a similar smell. Not that tuberose

smells exactly like lilies but there is a similarity.

But the idea about vibrations is definitely food for

thought.

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<Also, there is a theory -- and I won't be offended if you laugh -- that says

different plants/scents have different vibrations and therefore affect

people not only by scent but by vibration. In other words, a person with a high

vibration might not like oils and scents with very high vibrations of

their own because it might be too much, kind of like overloading a circuit. I

just know that one of my Reiki master friends who is very sensitive can

neither handle rose essential oil (and I have a small vial of good rose otto)

nor stones like phenacite that are supposed to raise your vibration. They

make her dizzy.>

That just makes me think about how Anya says that vetiver and heavy florals

put her to sleep! LOL

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> I think that one time Anya said she has trouble with

> ylang ylang on its own but she likes it in a blend and

> that's how I feel about tuberose. But I love ylang

> ylang! Maybe I just have bad taste in smells but I

> have to be honest.

I doubt you have bad taste in smells but people do have different preferences.

Also, there is a theory -- and I won't be offended if you laugh -- that says

different plants/scents have different vibrations and therefore affect

people not only by scent but by vibration. In other words, a person with a high

vibration might not like oils and scents with very high vibrations of

their own because it might be too much, kind of like overloading a circuit. I

just know that one of my Reiki master friends who is very sensitive can

neither handle rose essential oil (and I have a small vial of good rose otto)

nor stones like phenacite that are supposed to raise your vibration. They

make her dizzy.

Just a thought, albeit a strange one.

Beth

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> This is really interesting. I definitely wouldn't

> laugh! I think this could explain why people adore

> certain smells and not others. But I also think my

> earlier post about stargazer lilies is the real reason

> tuberose hits me so strongly-- a very negative

> association with a similar smell. Not that tuberose

> smells exactly like lilies but there is a similarity.

And there's loads of information on how scent can strongly connect us to memory

-- both good and bad. If a mean grandmother always wore lilac perfume,

odds are you'll have a negative association with lilacs and such.

> But the idea about vibrations is definitely food for

> thought.

It makes a certain amount of sense, especially if you study quantum physics,

which claims that if you go into the smallest of subatomic particles, there

is no matter, just energy. There have been some very cool studies in regard to

vibration and energy that appear to validate these theories.

Think about something else. Have you ever walked into a room, even an empty one,

and felt funny for reasons you couldn't place? And then found out later

a fight or something bad happened in that room shortly beforehand? Whether you

want to call it leftover vibration or emotion or energy, you're feeling

something. Feng shui is based on balancing energy in a room.

Essential oils are the concentrated scent (and according to this theory,

energies) of a plant so it's logical to believe that they would generally raise

vibrations, just like a walk in a garden can lift a mood. So it's not much of a

leap to believe that certain plants would have stronger or higher

vibrations than others.

It also sheds new light on why certain cultures, such as the Egyptians, placed

such high value on perfume, scented oils, fragrance, etc. Sounds like

they knew something. It could also explain -- at least in my mind -- why

synthetic scents feel so icky to many of us.

A friend of mine worked with an aromatherapist to create a line of essential oil

blends and they were working primarily to create certain vibrations

moreso than scents, but they all smelled heavenly. Unfortunately, my friend

moved across country, which ended the line because they found different

batches of oils they used as ingredients " felt " different and that would affect

the proportions. Again, it makes sense if you think about how weather,

soil conditions, harvesting methods, time between harvesting and distillation,

etc. can affect the final scent of an oil. Why wouldn't they also affect

its vibration as well?

Sorry if this went a bit off track. I work with both color therapy (which is

totally related to vibration) and essential oils so it's something I ponder

often.

Beth

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> I doubt you have bad taste in smells but people do

> have different preferences.

>

> Also, there is a theory -- and I won't be offended

> if you laugh -- that says different plants/scents

> have different vibrations and therefore affect

> people not only by scent but by vibration. In other

> Beth

Beth,

This is really interesting. I definitely wouldn't

laugh! I think this could explain why people adore

certain smells and not others. But I also think my

earlier post about stargazer lilies is the real reason

tuberose hits me so strongly-- a very negative

association with a similar smell. Not that tuberose

smells exactly like lilies but there is a similarity.

But the idea about vibrations is definitely food for

thought.

, Beth hi...

As you probably know alot has been written about memory association with

aroma....

' We all have a subconscious memory-bank which is loaded with good and bad

associations. When we smell a long-forgotten aroma, the memory of a particular

person, event or whole period of life floods back to us, complete with emotional

associations. A grown man smells lavender and a shiver runds down his back...

and he may not even know why....

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>>>>>>>>>>>. But I also think my

> earlier post about stargazer lilies is the real reason

> tuberose hits me so strongly-- a very negative

> association with a similar smell. Not that tuberose

> smells exactly like lilies but there is a similarity.

> But the idea about vibrations is definitely food for

> thought.

Think about something else. Have you ever walked into a room, even an empty one,

and felt funny for reasons you couldn't place? And then found out later

a fight or something bad happened in that room shortly beforehand? Whether you

want to call it leftover vibration or emotion or energy, you're feeling

something.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Essential oils are the concentrated scent (and according to this theory,

energies) of a plant so it's logical to believe that they would generally raise

vibrations, just like a walk in a garden can lift a mood. So it's not much of a

leap to believe that certain plants would have stronger or higher

vibrations than others.

It also sheds new light on why certain cultures, such as the Egyptians, placed

such high value on perfume, scented oils, fragrance, etc. Sounds like

they knew something. It could also explain -- at least in my mind -- why

synthetic scents feel so icky to many of us.

Sorry if this went a bit off track. I work with both color therapy (which is

totally related to vibration) and essential oils so it's something I ponder

often.

Beth

Hi Beth

Alot of the thoughts up there are so relevant.......

I have to be careful...... I am so sensitive I can pick up moods from people

by their energy vibration and tone of voice.

Music is a powerful vibrational force and again the very essence of variants

of energy in a note can create different tonalities which cannot be explained

but can be felt.

I think plants do have different vibrations and their way is certainly through

odour. It may have to do with climatic conditions where they live and how to

attract the insects necessary for their pro-creation.

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> I have to be careful...... I am so sensitive I can pick up moods from people

by their energy vibration and tone of voice.

A wise, old Belorussian grandmother taught me to always put perfume or essential

oils on the back of your neck to protect you from negativity. I won't bore with

the reasoning and it's not a cureall but it does help.

My friends and I have experimented with feeling the vibrations of different

essential oils, both from different plants and varieties of a single plant, like

lavender. I've snuck in a few synthetics now and then, too,

just to test them. You can feel a difference not just between the real and the

fakes, but between varieties of the same essential oils.

> Music is a powerful vibrational force and again the very essence of variants

of energy in a note can create different tonalities which cannot be explained

but can be felt.

Tesh's radio show the other day just mentioned a study that shows that

singing improves your mood. Something about the vibration of singing shifts

brain chemicals. And Dr. Emoto in Japan has shown a difference

the water crystals formed by water exposed to heavy metal music versus

classical. The former tends to loose shape while the latter forms beautiful

patterns. That said, I'd love to see if there's a difference between

heavy metal music with positive lyrics versus that with negative lyrics. The

latter are more common, sadly.

That's why I think it's great that Ruth's soap is made while singing specific

songs. It's a very cool way to boost the vibration even more.

> I think plants do have different vibrations and their way is certainly

through odour. It may have to do with climatic conditions where they live and

how to attract the insects necessary for their pro-creation.

That's why they found white flowers tend to be more fragrant than red. Botanists

think it has to do with attracting insects -- the paler colors may be harder to

see so they have another way of getting their

attention.

You know, there's probably another reason why natural perfumes feel better to

people than synthetics. People go into natural perfumery because they love it,

not just to make money. That love and passion goes into

every product made whereas synthetics are made in factories and who knows what

the moods of the workers are. It's sort of like the cake made by the loving

grandmother versus storebought.

Beth

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At 04:08 PM 12/12/2006, you wrote:

>Poh Yee,

>Anya is probably right about your sample being fishy

>but beauty is definitely in the eye (or nose) of the

>beholder. Tuberose absolute is one that I have had a

>lot of trouble understanding. To be honest, it makes

>me sick when I open the bottle.

True, many people detest tuberose, they write about it often on the

perfume forums. Me, I could bathe in the stuff.

>I think that one time Anya said she has trouble with

>ylang ylang on its own but she likes it in a blend and

>that's how I feel about tuberose. But I love ylang

>ylang! Maybe I just have bad taste in smells but I

>have to be honest. So, probably your sample is just

>wrong but maybe you are someone who just doesn't like

>it.

>

>

Yes, " creeping death " as it was once described by a member here, and

I agree, ! Funky, fevered stuff.

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At 06:20 PM 12/12/2006, you wrote:

>Hi Poh Yee,

>

>I have myself experienced tuberose absolute for the first time

>recently as I was given a small sample.

>To my nose it is very tenacious and has many layers.

>

>I would say that if you smell it straight from the vial, the top note

> hits you immediatly, which when I smell it, it brings the word

> " tuberous " or " vegetable " into my head, almost chlorophyl but more

>fleeting thankfully...then once that lifts the heady smell of lilys

>gathers and swells to a floral abundance.

>

>It needs time...rather than dilution... IMO... to give way to it's

>heart...and if you leave it long enough it has an almost powdery dryout!

Tuberose absolute is an incredible element. I call it an " allnote " .

To me, it's a top, heart and base note all in one. The incredible

" reach " of the tuberose introduces a perfume, just as a top note

would, the heart is strong and it lasts so long, it qualifies as a

base note in my palette.

>Does this sound right to anyone? Maybe I need to get my nose checked?

Right as rain. You picked up on the incredible nuances of this " allnote " .

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>>Hi Poh Yee,

>>

>>I have myself experienced tuberose absolute for the first time

>>recently as I was given a small sample.

>>To my nose it is very tenacious and has many layers.

I adore Tuberose absolute. There are different absoutes available from

France and India. They are both wonderful when diluted. They are a little

funky at first just straight from the botttle.

I was amazed in India when I walked in rows of tuberose blooming...it was

really beautiful. Almost as nice as the jasmine fields. It has a soft,

floral, baby powder fragrance that you really don't get unless you dilute it

way down. It was very alluring.

My favorite is to go to the market and get a dozen stalks....it really fills

the whole house.

You have to squeeze open the buds to get them to open faster...and they

don't last that many days.

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At 03:11 PM 12/13/2006, you wrote:

>That's why I think it's great that Ruth's soap is made while singing

>specific songs. It's a very cool way to boost the vibration even more.

>

> > I think plants do have different vibrations and their way is

> certainly through odour. It may have to do with climatic

> conditions where they live and how to attract the insects necessary

> for their pro-creation.

>

>That's why they found white flowers tend to be more fragrant than

>red. Botanists think it has to do with attracting insects -- the

>paler colors may be harder to see so they have another way of getting their

>attention.

Singing while you soap, lol. Pretty cool! Sudsy songs. Slippery

scales of a soprano (wait, that doesn't read quite well!)

>You know, there's probably another reason why natural perfumes feel

>better to people than synthetics. People go into natural perfumery

>because they love it, not just to make money. That love and passion goes into

>every product made whereas synthetics are made in factories and who

>knows what the moods of the workers are. It's sort of like the cake

>made by the loving grandmother versus storebought.

Hmmmm.... you mean there might be a difference between my perfumes

and Britney Spears' and the workers gossiping about as they mix and

bottle her synth juice?!

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At 02:58 PM 12/12/2006, you wrote:

>The floral wax is nice but the Abs smell dreaful. I haev diluted the saple

>in a little alcohol. I hope this would perhaps bring out the floral, sweet

>scent that I remember.

>

>Thanks again

>Poh Yee

HI Poh Yee

I just got your samples to evaluate and they're both great quality!

The tuberose is as it should be, narcotic and heady. You need to

really dilute it down to use it, and even then don't expect quite the

same as the fresh flower. Some notes get lost in the extraction

process, and the abs is very, very concentrated, too much for some noses.

The sambac spilled out of the bottle, so I had the sweetest smelling

mailbox, lol. Very nice quality, too. Don't be chicken, you need to

study and use the stuff you're not in love with -- they all have a

place in perfumery.

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>snip>

>Anya wrote

>HI Poh Yee

>

>I just got your samples to evaluate and they're both great quality!

>The tuberose is as it should be, narcotic and heady. You need to

>really dilute it down to use it, and even then don't expect quite the

>same as the fresh flower. Some notes get lost in the extraction

>process, and the abs is very, very concentrated, too much for some noses.

>

>The sambac spilled out of the bottle, so I had the sweetest smelling

>mailbox, lol. Very nice quality, too. Don't be chicken, you need to

>study and use the stuff you're not in love with -- they all have a

>place in perfumery.

>

Thanks Anya, for taking your time to evaluate the samples and for your

feedback.

Now that I have them passing thru your expert nose, I know what to expect.

It has been a learning experience indeed.

BTW thanks for your suggestion of getting the gardenia from a florist. My

plant came last week. No buds yet but, I think it's starting. They sent me

the wrong species ( Belmont instead of Fortuniia). I just got a replacement

today. 2 plants now - hee, hee. Hope I dont kill them!

I also tinctured the vanilla bean from Marcia, Wingseed in jojoba. Thanks

again. It took awhile but smell is coming thru. For those of you who have

not tried this. I found that the scent comes thru more when you dab a little

on your skin. I think what I am trying to say is,it starts to smell stronger

when you apply to your skin. So dont panic. I am going to leave it in the

oil a little longer.

Marcia, BTW your rose hydrosol smells divine. Am I allowed to say this? If

not, my apologies.

regards,

Poh Yee

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Poh Yee Ooi-Holmes <pyoh@...> wrote: >snip>

>Anya wrote

>HI Poh Yee

>

>I just got your samples to evaluate and they're both great quality!

>The tuberose is as it should be, narcotic and heady. You need to

>really dilute it down to use it, and even then don't expect quite the

>same as the fresh flower. Some notes get lost in the extraction

>process, and the abs is very, very concentrated, too much for some noses.

>

>The sambac spilled out of the bottle, so I had the sweetest smelling

>mailbox, lol. Very nice quality, too. Don't be chicken, you need to

>study and use the stuff you're not in love with -- they all have a

>place in perfumery.

>

Thanks Anya, for taking your time to evaluate the samples and for your

feedback.

Now that I have them passing thru your expert nose, I know what to expect.

It has been a learning experience indeed.

BTW thanks for your suggestion of getting the gardenia from a florist. My

plant came last week. No buds yet but, I think it's starting. They sent me

the wrong species ( Belmont instead of Fortuniia). I just got a replacement

today. 2 plants now - hee, hee. Hope I dont kill them!

I also tinctured the vanilla bean from Marcia, Wingseed in jojoba. Thanks

again. It took awhile but smell is coming thru. For those of you who have

not tried this. I found that the scent comes thru more when you dab a little

on your skin. I think what I am trying to say is,it starts to smell stronger

when you apply to your skin. So dont panic. I am going to leave it in the

oil a little longer.

Marcia, BTW your rose hydrosol smells divine. Am I allowed to say this? If

not, my apologies.

regards,

Poh Yee

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