Gardenia Absolute

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gardenia eo info! It was a good lesson learned here by you! Its nice to

know the truth for a change on some of these sites like google etc;!

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Greetings,

Apparently it is difficult ot obtain Gardenia Abs that has not been

adultered or synthetic.

Gardenia maceration is available and also a natural Gardenia blend (EOs and

Abs).

Can anyone tell me what blends of EOs and Abs would smell close to Gardenia

Abs.

Thanks in advance

regards,

Poh Yee

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>

> Greetings,

>

> Apparently it is difficult ot obtain Gardenia Abs that has not been

> adultered or synthetic.

>

> Gardenia maceration is available and also a natural Gardenia blend

(EOs and

> Abs).

>

> Can anyone tell me what blends of EOs and Abs would smell close to

Gardenia

> Abs.

>

> Thanks in advance

>

> regards,

> Poh Yee

>

HiPoh Yee.

The smell of gardenia I can best describe as haunting, The street

venders in the East used to sell 2 type of Garlands one of Jasmine &

the other of Gardenia . They were held in the same hand , the

fragrance was unforgettable but this is only Guess work based on two

different flower Garlands tion being held in the same hand.

Wether the same result would be achieved when the oils were infused,

is better answered by someone who has more experience than me in

Perfume blending. Some one once told me that the Moni ( I think that

is how you spell it) from Tahiti, is in fact Gardenia. Do you or any

one else in the group know if this is true ?

As I have tried to source Gardenia E.O. In the UK but have been told

it does not excist, wether true or I have just been looking in the

wrong place I do not Know but if any one has a UK supplier. their

details would be gratefully received,

Love & Light Gill.

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Gardenia maceration is available and also a natural Gardenia blend

(EOs and

> Abs).

>

> Can anyone tell me what blends of EOs and Abs would smell close to

Gardenia

> Abs.

>

> Thanks in advance

>

> regards,

> Poh Yee

>

HiPoh Yee.

The smell of gardenia I can best describe as haunting, The street

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Some one once told me that the Moni ( I think that

is how you spell it) from Tahiti, is in fact Gardenia. Do you or any

one else in the group know if this is true ?

As I have tried to source Gardenia E.O. In the UK but have been told

it does not excist, wether true or I have just been looking in the

wrong place I do not Know but if any one has a UK supplier. their

details would be gratefully received,

Love & Light Gill.

>

>

aloha Gill , Poh Yee

I had completely forgotten about monoi de tahiti. It is also called Tiare

flowers.... it is made from the maceration of the petals on coconut and the

tahitian women use it for hair similarly to how the egyptians used the unguents

(except without the cone on the head (chuckle). I do believe has been called

gardenia.....

UK suppliers...... there are a few. Essentially Oils, I think Fragrant

Earth...... but lately Chrissie Wildwoods new website has described a

particularly lovely one which would be worth exploring ....... as I posted

earlier they have just moved to Lampeter and site won't be reopening they say

till Dec...... hey it nearly is..... so check it out....... www.crabbe & wylde

if they arn't open the news slot should give info.......

hope this helps

fragrantly

Janita

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>HiPoh Yee.

>The smell of gardenia I can best describe as haunting, The street

>venders in the East used to sell 2 type of Garlands one of Jasmine &

>the other of Gardenia . They were held in the same hand , the

>fragrance was unforgettable but this is only Guess work based on two

>different flower Garlands tion being held in the same hand.

>Wether the same result would be achieved when the oils were infused,

>is better answered by someone who has more experience than me in

>Perfume blending. Some one once told me that the Moni ( I think that

>is how you spell it) from Tahiti, is in fact Gardenia. Do you or any

>one else in the group know if this is true ?

>

>As I have tried to source Gardenia E.O. In the UK but have been told

>it does not excist, wether true or I have just been looking in the

>wrong place I do not Know but if any one has a UK supplier. their

>details would be gratefully received,

>

>Love & Light Gill.

I have searched high and low. Found only macerated gardenia and a natural

blend of Eos and Abs to mimic the scent.

Thinking of getting a potted plant and when in bloom, macerate petals and

infusing in FCO or jojoba.

Has anyone tried this? Thanks

Poh Yee

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Gardenia absolute is really hard to find and is very expensive. It

DOES exist though. It is even listed in Lawless Essential Oils

Encyclopedia. Because it is so expensive, it is very often

adulterated.

I had high quality gardenia oil once, and it was very creamy,

slightly powdery, similar in some ways to Jasmine. Of course it does

not smell like the fresh flower.

I personally find that Jasmine Sambac is the most similar note to the

fresh Gardenia flowers. I find that in floral bouquets, when white

florals are used - such as jasmine, ylnag ylang, tuberose, along with

sambac jasmine - the result is very much gardenia like. Heady,

fruity, intoxicating, floral and utterly fresh and tropical.

Anya is the Tropical Flower Queen, and is an expert in tincturing and

macerating gardenia. I am sure she will step in at some point...

Best,

Ayala Sender, Perfumer

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Forgot to mention one useful source:

Poucher's " Bible " : in volume 2, the notes listed to create a Gardenia

accord that are from natural origin (i.e. essential oils and absolutes):

Top notes:

Coriander

Rosewood

Bergamot

Sweet Orange

French Petitgrain

Mimosa Absolute

Geraniol Palmarosa (???)

Heart notes:

Clove

Orris absolute

Myrrh resin

Broom absolute

Jonquille absolute

Yland yland

Ambrette seed

Orange flower absolute

Jasmine absolute

Rose absolute

Tuberose absolute

Base notes:

Cassie absolute

Civet asbolute

Benzoin

Castoerum

Costus

Coumarin (perhaps use some tonka instead)

Labdanum resin

Patchouli

Perum Balsam

Sandalwood

Tolu baslam

Vanillin (use vanilla instead)

Vetiver

My experience is that experimenting with some or all of the essences

listed in the " Odour Classification " in Poucher's book will lead you to

a good direction.

Best,

Ayala Sender, Perfumer

Ayala Moriel Parfums

http://www.AyalaMoriel.com/

My SmellyBlog: http://SmellyBlog.com/

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>From: " Ayala Sender " <ayala@...>

>Forgot to mention one useful source:

>Poucher's " Bible " : in volume 2, the notes listed to create a Gardenia

>accord that are from natural origin (i.e. essential oils and absolutes):

>

>Top notes:

>Coriander

>Rosewood

>Bergamot

>Sweet Orange

>French Petitgrain

>Mimosa Absolute

>Geraniol Palmarosa (???)

>

>Heart notes:

>Clove

>Orris absolute

>Myrrh resin

>Broom absolute

>Jonquille absolute

>Yland yland

>Ambrette seed

>Orange flower absolute

>Jasmine absolute

>Rose absolute

>Tuberose absolute

>

>Base notes:

>Cassie absolute

>Civet asbolute

>Benzoin

>Castoerum

>Costus

>Coumarin (perhaps use some tonka instead)

>Labdanum resin

>Patchouli

>Perum Balsam

>Sandalwood

>Tolu baslam

>Vanillin (use vanilla instead)

>Vetiver

>

>My experience is that experimenting with some or all of the essences

>listed in the " Odour Classification " in Poucher's book will lead you to

>a good direction.

Thanks so much Ayala. Gosh, the amount of different scents. It just amazing

to see them all. I will try them one day when I can afford all the EOs/Abs.

For now I think I will tincture some gardenia petals in alcohol and see what

happens. Going to get a few potted plants soon )

kind regards,

Poh Yee

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> Thanks so much Ayala. Gosh, the amount of different scents. It just

amazing

> to see them all. I will try them one day when I can afford all the

EOs/Abs.

>

> For now I think I will tincture some gardenia petals in alcohol and

see what

> happens. Going to get a few potted plants soon )

>

> kind regards,

> Poh Yee

You are most welcome, Ph Yee!

Tincturing would be a great start if you have the plant handy and

it's full of flowers. You will need a lot of flower!

I wouldn't necessarily use ALL these oils. If you have a good few of

them I suggest you experiment. This is just my gut intuition here, as

I haven't tried making a gardenia dopelganger (yet), but I will start

with these:

Coriander EO

Rosewood

Mimosa Absolut

Orris absolute

Ylang

Jasmine Sambac Absolute

Tuberose

Benzoin

Tonka

Vetiver

Vanilla

Patchouli

I would keep the basenotes really, really mellow though. It has to be

mostly jasmine sambac absolute, and the rest would be there to add

other aspects (spiciness and sweetness) of gardenia.

I am getting tempted to try one myself now!

Ayala Sender, Perfumer

Ayala Moriel Parfums

http://www.AyalaMoriel.com/

My SmellyBlog: http://SmellyBlog.com/

Signature Perfumes ~ Perfumed Jewelery ~ Fragrance Consultant On-Line

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<Thinking of getting a potted plant and when in bloom, macerate petals and

infusing in FCO or jojoba.

Has anyone tried this? Thanks

Poh Yee>

HI Poh Yee,

I don't know if you've ordered your plants yet, but I know where you can get a

Tahitian gardenia plant. Aloha Tropicals sells them, www.alohatropicals.com .

I remember Tahitian gardenia, as well as common gardenias, from my stay in

Hawaii. Yummy. Also, they had Monoi all over the place, every drug store and

health food store had bottles of the stuff, all the different scents(I'm pretty

sure the scents were sythetic though).

Much aloha,

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><Thinking of getting a potted plant and when in bloom, macerate petals and

>infusing in FCO or jojoba.

>

>Has anyone tried this? Thanks

>

>Poh Yee>

>

> HI Poh Yee,

> I don't know if you've ordered your plants yet, but I know where you can

>get a Tahitian gardenia plant. Aloha Tropicals sells them,

>www.alohatropicals.com .

> I remember Tahitian gardenia, as well as common gardenias, from my stay

>in Hawaii. Yummy. Also, they had Monoi all over the place, every drug store

>and health food store had bottles of the stuff, all the different

>scents(I'm pretty sure the scents were sythetic though).

> Much aloha,

>

>

,

No, I have not ordered the plants yet as I am contemplating whether or not

to order a patchouli plant as well.

I will check this site. Thanks so much and will keep everyone posted just in

case anyone is interested.

regards,

Poh Yee

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At 12:21 PM 11/22/2006, you wrote:

>I wouldn't necessarily use ALL these oils. If you have a good few of

>them I suggest you experiment. This is just my gut intuition here, as

>I haven't tried making a gardenia dopelganger (yet), but I will start

>with these:

>

>Coriander EO

>Rosewood

>Mimosa Absolut

>Orris absolute

>Ylang

>Jasmine Sambac Absolute

>Tuberose

>Benzoin

>Tonka

>Vetiver

>Vanilla

>Patchouli

>

>I would keep the basenotes really, really mellow though. It has to be

>mostly jasmine sambac absolute, and the rest would be there to add

>other aspects (spiciness and sweetness) of gardenia.

Hi Ayala:

I'm trying to think of something that would give the heady, narcotic,

indole of tuberose and sambac a boost in this. Can't think of

anything at this time. More diffusiveness, too. That

skin-crawly,suffocating bit, too, lol. Love gardenia, in small doses,

and would love to create a doppelganger.

Anya McCoy

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