Re: Mold in Dry climates / Mold in housing

[Guest guest]

,

Even if you pick a dry climate to live in, you can still have mold in your

actual living quarters. While I'm not sure what type of mold can grow in the

outdoors in a dry climate, I know that all Toxic mold (meaning stachybotrys or

black mold) needs to survive is a continuous source of food (moisture, wood or

drywall). Black mold does not grow outside. However, I believe aspergillus does

grow outside.

I cannot live in humid damp weather.. I have a tendency to feel ill nowadays.

It is raining where I live today and there is more mold outside. I have a

tendency to do better in a dry warmer, climate, as I think most of us can.

To avoid mold-infested living quarters, you'd have to check the place out

very well before you move in, to make sure there are no continuous leaks, etc.

that are not being addressed. Rental of lower cost housing would have a tendency

to be more moldy because landlords are not doing the necessary repairs. Before

purchasing a low cost house, I would have an inspector check to look for

possible leaks and moisture where the source has not been found, or has been

discovered but covered up.

Cyndi

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

Well, as I told Dr Cheney at the beginning of the CFS epidemic,

" I have an inexorably increasing reactivity to mold that grows

progressively worse no matter where I live or how well I try to take

care of myself " , and that was in " America's All-Year Playground:

Beautiful Lake Tahoe " - Incline Village, as the old KTHO radio

advertisement used to say back in the 1980's.

Come to Lake Tahoe and I can show you some raging spore plumes.

There's a bunch in Las Vegas too, but that's a long drive from here.

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Your Friend wrote:

> ,

I cannot live in humid damp weather.. I have a tendency to feel

ill nowadays. It is raining where I live today and there is more mold

outside. I have a tendency to do better in a dry warmer, climate, as I

think most of us can. <

I didn't bother to do move to a different climate. I just stay out of

plumes. It's raining and snowing today and it has no effect on me

because I went to the effort to find a safe zone to park my RV in.

But there is a fairly large plume just to the south. When it blows

from that direction, THEN rainy weather bugs me. So I just put the

key in the ignition and drive out of it and stay somewhere else until

the plume is over.

I can scarcely tell you how good it perceive the warning of the

impending " rainy weather " response - and simply escape it in minutes.

Thanks to having the kind of mobility that the RV lifestyle gives, I

don't have to put up with being beaten up by mold. Perhaps not the

lifestyle others would choose, but I sure like it better than having

to just sit and take it when plumes blow over wherever you live.

Naturally it would just be better to live out in the woods, but, you

know, gotta work.

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[Guest guest]

I wish I could detect or plume or see one! Too bad they aren't

colorful or something.

>

> I didn't bother to do move to a different climate. I just stay out

of

> plumes. It's raining and snowing today and it has no effect on me

> because I went to the effort to find a safe zone to park my RV in.

> But there is a fairly large plume just to the south. When it blows

> from that direction, THEN rainy weather bugs me. So I just put the

> key in the ignition and drive out of it and stay somewhere else

until

> the plume is over.

[Guest guest]

" barb1283 " wrote:

> I wish I could detect or plume or see one! Too bad they aren't

> colorful or something.

Yes, that would sure make it much easier, but it's really difficult

to detect plumes by perception. When I take people around to Hot

Spots to demonstrate mold detection, most people can feel them, but

the difficult part is to " unlearn " the tendency to minimize the

perceptual-discomfort they cause:

" But that? That's nothing, I'm tough, I can handle that - if that's

as bad as it feels " .

How bad you feel isn't the point - the stories you see of people

driven out by mold have this in common: We didn't realize that the

minor sensations that we were trying so hard to ignore were actually

harbingers of eventual immunological destruction, and we waited until

damage was occurring and the doctors were all baffled by what we said.

The real tough part is learning to treat these " warnings " as

something to be given serious consideration - and to bring yourself to

act upon vague sensations that haven't yet, but just might lead to a

great deal more pain. It is difficult to listen to warnings that

only " hysterical mold crazies " seem to be talking about.

Nobody wants to pay attention these symptoms and warnings until it's

too late, and who can blame them?

We didn't either. That's why we're here.

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[Guest guest]

-and how many of us, when first hit with symptoms of mold exposure

went to our doctor with these symptoms only to have the doctors blame

it on something else or treat us like we were nuts because tests came

back

negitive.

-- In

, " erikmoldwarrior "

<erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

>

> " barb1283 " wrote:

> > I wish I could detect or plume or see one! Too bad they aren't

> > colorful or something.

>

>

> Yes, that would sure make it much easier, but it's really

difficult

> to detect plumes by perception. When I take people around to Hot

> Spots to demonstrate mold detection, most people can feel them, but

> the difficult part is to " unlearn " the tendency to minimize the

> perceptual-discomfort they cause:

> " But that? That's nothing, I'm tough, I can handle that - if

that's

> as bad as it feels " .

> How bad you feel isn't the point - the stories you see of people

> driven out by mold have this in common: We didn't realize that the

> minor sensations that we were trying so hard to ignore were

actually

> harbingers of eventual immunological destruction, and we waited

until

> damage was occurring and the doctors were all baffled by what we

said.

> The real tough part is learning to treat these " warnings " as

> something to be given serious consideration - and to bring yourself

to

> act upon vague sensations that haven't yet, but just might lead to

a

> great deal more pain. It is difficult to listen to warnings that

> only " hysterical mold crazies " seem to be talking about.

> Nobody wants to pay attention these symptoms and warnings until

it's

> too late, and who can blame them?

> We didn't either. That's why we're here.

> -

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I had burning eyes for the longest time and decided it was

because I wasn't sleeping well and lived with it for years!!

, you mean that people without special sensitivity to mold can

feel a plume if you point it out to them?

Dr Shoemaker said based on my tests I have most likely been exposed

for a very long time. It causes more subtle effects than bacteria

and viruses and so it can go on to do more damage because it hasn't

gotten enough attention, from us or our doctors. First us of course

because we then start to suffer and a few handful of doctors willing

to open up their minds and listen with their ears and consider

person might be telling the truth.

> Spots to demonstrate mold detection, most people can feel them,

but

> the difficult part is to " unlearn " the tendency to minimize the

> perceptual-discomfort they cause:

[Guest guest]

Its been my experience that dry, windy weather can pick up a lot of mold

dust and make controlling it almost impossible - making the mold situation

for me intolerable. I lived in a building that had a lot of mold in its

basement and lots of holes in the walls as well as ventilation shafts that

carred air throughout. I had managed to HEPA vaccumn up dust, clean the air

in my bedroom, and set up a positive air pressure thing that mostly kept the

mold inside of the walls when the wind was a constant prevailing wind (from

the west) but when the wind got gusty - especially when it was blowing from

the east - which I had no remedy for, because the air shaft air came

straight from the basement - things got very nasty for me.

So watch out for dried out mold dust. It can persist for a long time and

when the wind picks it up it can be very bad.

[Guest guest]

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

> So watch out for dried out mold dust. It can persist for a long time

and when the wind picks it up it can be very bad.

>

Yes, and as I've said before, if the mold dust is unidentifiable

detritus with residual toxins - it renders the entire concept of spore

testing/identification meaningless as it can only confirm exposure but

does nothing to rule it out.

As Dr Shoemaker says, the only reliable marker for a sick building

are sick people.

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[Guest guest]

-I know thats right. dry weather drives my sinuses nuts. the only

time I get much relief outside is when it rains and knocks particles

out of the air, and winter. thats why I'm thinking that north may be

the way to go. problem there is you still have to live inside, we had

someone on here from iceland who stated that mold outside is not a

problem there, but inside can be. I dont know about the mycotoxins

but maybe frozen mold isnt active. but dang, I'm not into

freezzzzzin.

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, " erikmoldwarrior "

<erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

>

> LiveSimply <quackadillian@> wrote:

>

> > So watch out for dried out mold dust. It can persist for a long

time

> and when the wind picks it up it can be very bad.

> >

>

> Yes, and as I've said before, if the mold dust is unidentifiable

> detritus with residual toxins - it renders the entire concept of

spore

> testing/identification meaningless as it can only confirm exposure

but

> does nothing to rule it out.

> As Dr Shoemaker says, the only reliable marker for a sick building

> are sick people.

> -

>

[Guest guest]

I saw a rating on water quality per country and Finland ranked first

on this list, with Canada second, both northern, cooler countries.

I would think air quality might go along with water quality. Just

my guess but I wouldn't be interested in moving that far for a new

home though.

Regarding dry weather: you have to realize that dry sinuses and

skin get fine cracks in them that allow microbes to get in and could

creat health problems for that reason. A friend of mine left his

second home in AZ to go back to MI and said when he left temp was

101 degrees (in May).

I guess in very dry climates there would be less pollen though, so

from that perspective it might be desireable for some, especially if

you are going to stay indoors and can humidify your home for health

and comfort.

I think either extreme: very dry or very wet is a problem for living

if you are going to be outdoors, but then I would like to spend alot

of time outdoors and I would like to open windows in my home on

occasion without pulling in alot of pollution. Anyway, that is my

dream.

> >

> > > So watch out for dried out mold dust. It can persist for a

long

> time

> > and when the wind picks it up it can be very bad.

> > >

> >

> > Yes, and as I've said before, if the mold dust is unidentifiable

> > detritus with residual toxins - it renders the entire concept of

> spore

> > testing/identification meaningless as it can only confirm

exposure

> but

> > does nothing to rule it out.

> > As Dr Shoemaker says, the only reliable marker for a sick

building

> > are sick people.

> > -

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The few Fins I have met (on a flight to Norway) really drank their spirits and

smoked like chimenneys.

The folks in Norway were very p.o.'d at the European industrial countries for

pollution that drift north and caused problems as well as a huge ozone hole.

My mom told me the humidity in PHX area today is 6 (SIX) percent. YOWWW!!!!.

She said they just drink a lot of water.

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

I saw a rating on water quality per country and Finland ranked first

on this list, with Canada second, both northern, cooler countries.

I would think air quality might go along with water quality. Just

my guess but I wouldn't be interested in moving that far for a new

home though.

Regarding dry weather: you have to realize that dry sinuses and

skin get fine cracks in them that allow microbes to get in and could

creat health problems for that reason. A friend of mine left his

second home in AZ to go back to MI and said when he left temp was

101 degrees (in May).

I guess in very dry climates there would be less pollen though, so

from that perspective it might be desireable for some, especially if

you are going to stay indoors and can humidify your home for health

and comfort.

I think either extreme: very dry or very wet is a problem for living

if you are going to be outdoors, but then I would like to spend alot

of time outdoors and I would like to open windows in my home on

occasion without pulling in alot of pollution. Anyway, that is my

dream.

> >

> > > So watch out for dried out mold dust. It can persist for a

long

> time

> > and when the wind picks it up it can be very bad.

> > >

> >

> > Yes, and as I've said before, if the mold dust is unidentifiable

> > detritus with residual toxins - it renders the entire concept of

> spore

> > testing/identification meaningless as it can only confirm

exposure

> but

> > does nothing to rule it out.

> > As Dr Shoemaker says, the only reliable marker for a sick

building

> > are sick people.

> > -

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

In MN, when it is not cold and frozen, it is moldy. The outdoor mold isn't as

bad as the

indoor mold, mostly. Since we spend 9 months of the year indoors, that is alot

of time.

If north is the way for you to go, great, but go with open eyes. New buildings

are ripe as

mold pits, whereever they are. here there are probelms in new construction too.

> >

> > > So watch out for dried out mold dust. It can persist for a long

> time

> > and when the wind picks it up it can be very bad.

> > >

> >

> > Yes, and as I've said before, if the mold dust is unidentifiable

> > detritus with residual toxins - it renders the entire concept of

> spore

> > testing/identification meaningless as it can only confirm exposure

> but

> > does nothing to rule it out.

> > As Dr Shoemaker says, the only reliable marker for a sick building

> > are sick people.

> > -

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh wow, like a dry sauna. I guess there isn't mold or algae growing

on houses out there and you would just humidify inside to the desired

degree. Does it hardly ever rain?

--- In , <dlpgppmi@...>

wrote:

>

> The few Fins I have met (on a flight to Norway) really drank their

spirits and smoked like chimenneys.