Re: Anyone else itch underneath their skin/gums...)

[Guest guest]

-I remember that felling well, and I've been dignosed with many

allergies, and cronic sinusitis. if your liveing in mold and its

causeing you to become allergic, I think you will not only develope

allergies to mold but also to any other irritants your around. your

immune system is down, that would allow you to develope allergens to

anything in your inviroment. also I read that cat dander is very

moldy.

-- In , princess bride

<herbivoresf@...> wrote:

>

> inside my face and in my chest it feels itchy, especially my gums

itch like crazy when I go into the worst moldy room, and for days

afterwards. I'm taking benadryl, but it's not making it go away.

Anyone else have this?

>

> Just out of curiosity, do regular allergies feel like this? Like

to cats? It is driving me nuts. I want to scratch my eyes out and

brush my gums til they bleed. Aaaahhh!;(

>

> Thanks,

> Harriet

>

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[Guest guest]

-there is 3 different ways mold can effect you. allergenic,

pathogenic and toxicosis from the mycotoxin exposure. if I understand

right, allergenic is causeing allergies, pathogenic is systemic

fungal infections and the toxins damage your organs. I know theres

more to it than that but this is how I seperate

it.

-- In

, LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

>

> I don't think that toxic reactions to molds are necessarily

allergies. We

> live in a world increasingly saturated with man-made chemicals as

well as

> the biotoxins in mold. My suspicion is that when its saturated with

this

> stuff, the body simply says 'No more - its killing me.'

>

> " Its Natures way of telling you somethings wrong " so to speak.

>

> That is what has happened to me, it seems.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

>

> I don't think that toxic reactions to molds are necessarily

allergies. We live in a world increasingly saturated with man-made

chemicals as well as the biotoxins in mold. My suspicion is that when

its saturated with this stuff, the body simply says 'No more - its

killing me.<

Right after the preface and on the very first page of Dr. Shoemakers

book: " Mold Warriors " , there is an important chart depicting

" The Biotoxin Pathway " which explains the nature of Biotoxin mediated

illnesses.

This chart outlines the properties of ionophore toxins for

binding " Surface (Toll) Receptors " , which in turn causes the

unregulated release of proinflammatory cytokines which " reprogram "

immunological responses in genetically susceptible individuals.

The effects of the chronic inflammation cascade through the

neuroendocrine system in a sequential progression called: " The

Biotoxin Pathway " .

You can trace the " downstream " effects by following the chart.

The activation of the " innate immune response " by neurotoxins

is " upstream " of antibody programming, so this chart provides a

graphic representation of why concepts of classical " allergy " don't

apply to mycotoxin illness.

It's partly a matter of " no more " , but even more important, it is a

matter of " no longer " , explained in chapter 24 " No, It's the immunity,

Stupid - Innate, Acquired-Both!

-

[Guest guest]

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

...because my ears started ringing, then my hands first developed

red spots where the veins go through them on the back, and then

turned *completely* red not long afterward, and that night I woke up

and both hands were completely numb, although I could still move

them.

Since then my left arm has been completely screwed up...

Does this sound like an allergic reaction, or something else?

>

Sounds like innate AND allergic, BOTH!

After all of our warnings - you are really pushing it to the limit.

Why aren't our harrowing tales compelling enough to scare you out of

doing this?

Don't you know what we would give to have the chance to do it all

over again, only this time - to have a survivor warn us in time?

You are squandering a chance we never had.

Once you cross the threshold - there's no going back.

-

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Petechiae: Pinpoint flat round red spots under the skin surface

caused by intradermal hemorrhage (bleeding into the skin). Petechiae

are red because they contain red blood that has leaked from the

capillaries into the skin. Petechiae are quite tiny (less than 3

millimeters in diameter) and do not blanch when pressed upon.

There are many conditions in which petechiae may be seen. These

conditions range from very minor to very major. The common causes of

petechiae include local injury and trauma, allergic reactions,

autoimmune diseases, viral infections that impair blood coagulation

(clotting), thrombocythemia (an abnormally high platelet level),

certain medical treatments such as radiation and chemotherapy,

idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP), leukemia and other bone

marrow malignancies that may lower the number of platelets, and

sepsis (bloodstream infection). Petechiae are commonly seen right

after birth in the newborn and after violent vomiting or coughing.

Drugs such as the anticoagulants warfarin (Coumadin) or heparin,

aspirin, and cortisone can also cause petechiae

[Guest guest]

It sounds to me like toxin reaction. You remember how many of these toxins have

neurotoxic effects? Like causing burning and numbness.

I have both things, and I get screwed up badly when I forget what might be

contaminated.

My hand (or whatever touches it) starts to burn, and it goes on from there.

OUCH......

Hope you feel better...

>

> A few months ago, I was beginning the process of moving out of my moldy

> apartment and completely foolishly, I took two long thick sets of wires I

> had which had gotten very black from something (it was not direct mold

> growth, because these wires were insulated, I think it was particularly

> greasy and thick though because they had not been cleaned in a while..they

> were behind furniture...) It was in a room which I had found to be the most

> reactive room for me at that time..

>

> Anyway, I swabbed some rubbing alcohol on several big pieces of cotton and

> used that to clean the black stuff off the wires, wearing gloves for the

> first part of the process, but then something happened (phone call, I

> think?)

>

> and I am pretty sure I ended up absentmindedly handling the cotton with my

> bare hands, because my ears started ringing, then my hands first developed

> red spots where the veins go through them on the back, and then turned

> *completely* red not long afterward, and that night I woke up and both hands

> were completely numb, although I could still move them.

>

> Since then my left arm has been completely screwed up...

>

> Does this sound like an allergic reaction, or something else?

>

[Guest guest]

Re: topic of skin and toxic reactions

The rash that I have had off and on is a burning rash. I wonder if

there is a connection to neurotoxins? Of course there can be a

connection between neurotoxins and liver trouble. Is that where the

neurotoxin affect comes from-it's effect on the liver? Most of the

rash is gone now but it's left before and then comes back. The

backs of both hands are itching, burning and red right now. It's

been a puzzle to figure out. It started when I was put on Nystatin.

I never suspected the Nystatin so I took the whole six months of

Nystatin (from beginning to end of last summer), had my forearms

wrapped up most of the time thinking it was poison ivy I was getting

from pet fur. End of summer and end of Nystatin, rash cleared.

Thought the poison ivy outside had died. Then I went on

concentrated garlic tablets. Since poison ivy season was over I

suspected the tablets since they were something new, stopped the

tablets and rash went away. Then I took ALA and got it back.

Stopped the ALA and rash went away. Then I started to take Tylenol

every day for some pain and rash came back, also nausea, appetite

loss and other symptoms of liver trouble. Stopped Tylenol, rash

went away. So I'm being really careful of what I eat and take but

little rash coming back again anyway, on backs of my hands. Just

can't figure it out. Fear of toxic liver started me back on CSM,

more than I have taken before, since it should help to detoxify

liver I guess (?). I figued I was more afraid of toxic liver than

throwing up. I hope this isn't from that, the CSM. I have tried so

hard to take this. I guess I will stop it for a couple days to see

if that helps. I don't want it back full blown. It is very

painful, burning rash. It itches in the beginning, but when it is

fully there, it is painful and burning, more than itchy. Anyone

have any ideas?? I've been thinking liver trouble but then I would

think the CSM would help. I'm stumped again. I am lined up for a

catscan on the 6th, and waiting for blood test results but I read

this weekend that if it is 'drug induced' liver trouble, that it

doesn't show up in liver blood tests/liver function tests.

--- In , " kl_clayton " <kl_clayton@...>

wrote:

>

> It sounds to me like toxin reaction. You remember how many of

these toxins have

> neurotoxic effects? Like causing burning and numbness.

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

This burning rash you mentioned, I won't say Sharon had the same

thing, but very similiar. I can't say without seeing pictures. You

can go to www.aspergillus.man.ac.uk/ and they do have several

pictures of rashes and hives. The rash that they show and I do not

have the exact link at this moment, is blood red, about the size of

a pea. Sharon got these when she was still being exposed, they were

located at the back of the knee about a dozen and then more up the

back of the leg and lower buttocks. She would feel the burning from

within before they even appeared and then until they went away. They

went away on their own, but at that time we didn't know what they

were or caused by. When they disappeared they left marks, like

someone took a cigarette to her skin and these scars remained. They

also reappeared several times after re-exposure and if I remember

correctly the cause of these were either from fusarium or

aspergillus. The pictured they showed on the aspergillus website was

identical.

KC

> >

> > It sounds to me like toxin reaction. You remember how many of

> these toxins have

> > neurotoxic effects? Like causing burning and numbness.

> >

>