Re: Systemic Fungal Infections

[Guest guest]

yes I have the white coated tongue and systematic fungal disease.

Don't know what GERD is but have trouble with my tummy.

>

> I posted this to another group to but hopefully, not too many of same

> members. If you have a systemic fungal infection do you have white

> coated tongue like one has with Candidas infection? I have all the

> symptoms and they flare up when I add carbs to my diet but no white

> coated tongue. Also did 'you' have GERD along with it? I apparently

> have developed GERD all of a sudden. thanks

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I posted this to another group to but hopefully, not too many of same

> members. If you have a systemic fungal infection do you have white

> coated tongue like one has with Candidas infection? I have all the

> symptoms and they flare up when I add carbs to my diet but no white

> coated tongue. Also did 'you' have GERD along with it? I apparently

> have developed GERD all of a sudden. thanks

>

Not my tongue. And I do have some GI symptoms from time to time. Sometime

reflux, an

ulcer for awhile, and IBS for awhile, general disbiosys (not digesting foods),

food allergies

worsening, sinus. All of it went in reverse with the diflucan and some

supplements.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathlyn, this is exactly my experience. I took a test that

revealed I have very low levels of beneficial bacteria in my GI

tract, very low lactobaccilus. Those help to maintain healthy gut

and break down of food into nutrients. However I had been taking

lactobacillus, buttermilk, yogurt. Only explanation that was

logical to me was that territory they normally would be growing was

taken over by pathogenic bacteria or fungus. I still have not been

able to get anyone to treat me. Maybe I will travel overseas and

treat myself. I've been working on this for a year and a half.

Doctors look at everything but fungus, saying I wouldn't get a

fungal infection unless I had AIDS or was Chemo patient. Apparently

medical school doesn't train them to use their brains. You have to

be the classic textbook subject to get diagnosed right and even then

they get it wrong frequently in my experience. (A little rant by

me). I'm just checking out of a hotel for the night as I stayed

over night to see if I felt better in the morning some place else

than my home and I do, so things still not clean enough at home. It

does't have to be mold though as I am allergic to almost everything

now, it could be dustmites or pollen (I live a half yard from a

forested area). Using their computer before I check out.

Regarding above test of GI test, I paid for that test myself, noone

ordered it, from Great Smokies or Great Plains, I get those two

confused.

--- In , " kl_clayton " <kl_clayton@...>

wrote:

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> Not my tongue. And I do have some GI symptoms from time to time.

Sometime reflux, an

> ulcer for awhile, and IBS for awhile, general disbiosys (not

digesting foods), food allergies

> worsening, sinus. All of it went in reverse with the diflucan and

some supplements.

>

[Guest guest]

, you may have Candidas and also other fungal infection at same

time. That is possible.

--- In , " ldelp84227 " <ldelp84227@...>

wrote:

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> yes I have the white coated tongue and systematic fungal disease.

> Don't know what GERD is but have trouble with my tummy.

>

[Guest guest]

P.S. to my own post. Test of my GI microbs that said beneficial

bacteria like lactobaccilus was low, said possible pathogen was

yeast/Candida as it was slightly elevated. However it did not test

for fungus. Surprise!!!

>

> Thanks Kathlyn, this is exactly my experience. I took a test that

> revealed I have very low levels of beneficial bacteria in my GI

> tract, very low lactobaccilus. Those help to maintain healthy gut

> and break down of food into nutrients. However I had been taking

> lactobacillus, buttermilk, yogurt. Only explanation that was

> logical to me was that territory they normally would be growing

[Guest guest]

You don't have to go overseas. You could try herbal remedies. But you have to be

smart

about it, becasue if you take an antifungal, you have to be careful about the

die off of the

fungus/candida. It's a killer, and you have to be prepared to deal with it,

whether it's a

drug or herb.

I know that Oreganol brand oregano oil is a sworn by antifungal (by moms) that

works.

Tea tree oil has antifungal properties, coconut oil also does.

In my case, all the probiotics in the world didn't do the trick because the

fungal

overgrowth was too much. Only after the diflucan killed off some of it, did the

stuff start to

work. I took the Garden of Life Brand probiotic, it seemed to work better than

plain

acidophilous.

Yes, that is what happened to me too, and they didn't care that I was dying. In

thier

twisted mind, I was doing it to myself, and needed prozac. of course that would

stop the

throat from swelling up and killing me, wouldn't it? No. But it sounds like you

have a very

good idea of what might be the problem, and what you can do about it.

You could try to find an alternative doctor, like maybe a chiropractor or

herbalist to give

you help with the dosage and detox, and supplement support if you need it.

Candida is

enough like the other fungus that they may not need to understand about the

whole

fungal infection idea, they may be able to help you just by understanding about

the

candida part of it.

You could ask your doctor, that if you did take diflucan or something like that,

would it be

contraindicated by some other meds you have to take, or by your condition. " I

know, you

are not going to give it to me, but if you did, just suppose, then what would

happen? "

Maybe you could get some info that way. You could even call more than one of

your docs,

if you have them.

And you can look up all the meds in the handbook (Physicians Desk Reference, or

PDR) at

the pharmacy. They should have a huge reference book that covers every drug.

They are

listed, and all the info is in there about which meds can't be taken to gether,

or foods that

interact. It is in technical terms, but on a good day you should be able to sort

out

something.

Another reference book that is good for that is a Nurses Drug Reference(name?),

it gets

updated every year. It is smaller, almost fits in a pocket, and just gives

brief info on that.

If you want, I could call my doctor, you could go there. He treats people from

all over the

country, from what I hear.

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> > Not my tongue. And I do have some GI symptoms from time to time.

> Sometime reflux, an

> > ulcer for awhile, and IBS for awhile, general disbiosys (not

> digesting foods), food allergies

> > worsening, sinus. All of it went in reverse with the diflucan and

> some supplements.

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>

[Guest guest]

definition of GERD---gastroesophageal reflex disease. (heartburn)

victoria

[] Re: Systemic Fungal Infections

> yes I have the white coated tongue and systematic fungal disease.

> Don't know what GERD is but have trouble with my tummy.

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>> I posted this to another group to but hopefully, not too many of same

>> members. If you have a systemic fungal infection do you have white

>> coated tongue like one has with Candidas infection? I have all the

>> symptoms and they flare up when I add carbs to my diet but no white

>> coated tongue. Also did 'you' have GERD along with it? I apparently

>> have developed GERD all of a sudden. thanks

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[Guest guest]

I have white coated tongue right now but all

testing including OAT and amino acid and stool

testing is negative for yeast.

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf

Of kl_clayton

Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:19 PM

Subject: [] Re: Systemic Fungal

Infections

>

> I posted this to another group to but hopefully,

not too many of same

> members. If you have a systemic fungal

infection do you have white

> coated tongue like one has with Candidas

infection? rest snipped

[Guest guest]

I had same test done 2 weeks ago from both Great

Smokies (Genova) and Great Plains (Oat and Amino

Acid) and both showed among other things low

levels of beneficial bacteria in my GI despite

heavy doses of lactobacillus, probiotics, goat

milk. I am okay. You are right that no one wants

to test for fungus and ID clinic said exact to me.

No aids so no way could this be fungus and we

won't do anything about your MSRA situation..no

point. Just protect patients, notify docs if they

treat you..GREAT..

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf

Of barb1283

Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:48 AM

Subject: [] Re: Systemic Fungal

Infections

Thanks Kathlyn, this is exactly my experience. I

took a test that

revealed I have very low levels of beneficial

bacteria in my GI

tract, very low lactobaccilus. Those help to

maintain healthy gut

and break down of food into nutrients. However I

had been taking

lactobacillus, buttermilk, yogurt. Only

explanation that was

logical to me was that territory they normally

would be growing was

taken over by pathogenic bacteria or fungus. I

still have not been

able to get anyone to treat me. Maybe I will

travel overseas and

treat myself. I've been working on this for a

year and a half.

Doctors look at everything but fungus, saying I

wouldn't get a

fungal infection unless I had AIDS or was Chemo

patient. Apparently

medical school doesn't train them to use their

brains. You have to

be the classic textbook subject to get diagnosed

right and even then

they get it wrong frequently in my experience. (A

little rant by

me). I'm just checking out of a hotel for the

night as I stayed

over night to see if I felt better in the morning

some place else

than my home and I do, so things still not clean

enough at home. It

does't have to be mold though as I am allergic to

almost everything

now, it could be dustmites or pollen (I live a

half yard from a

forested area). Using their computer before I

check out.

Regarding above test of GI test, I paid for that

test myself, noone

ordered it, from Great Smokies or Great Plains, I

get those two

confused.

--- In , " kl_clayton "

<kl_clayton@...>

wrote:

>> >

>

> Not my tongue. And I do have some GI symptoms

from time to time.

Sometime reflux, an

> ulcer for awhile, and IBS for awhile, general

disbiosys (not

digesting foods), food allergies

> worsening, sinus. All of it went in reverse with

the diflucan and

some supplements.

>

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[Guest guest]

on your toungue use a paste of hydrogen peroxide and baking sods. I move ot

arounf. Then I gargle with the hydrogen peroxide. Seems better every time I go

to the doctors. She told me about it as I had to stop sporanox due to high

levels in my liver.

Janet

[Guest guest]

, Are you on a low carb/no sugar diet? If so it can interfer

with positive test since fungus including Candida go dormate in low

blood sugar environment. Then I would think you wouldn't have white

coated tongue though, so not sure why that would be. It could come

and go depending on how disciplined you are being about your diet.

I've read you should not be tested on days you are not symptomatic as

it can come and go. For example if you eat more carb laden diet for

several days, i.e. break your low carb diet, yeast or fungus could

become active and your tongue coated. Then you go back on diet and

eat properly and you still have yeast or fungal overgrowth but they

are inactive. If you get tested on those days, you can test negative

even though yeast and fungus is a problem. I hate that since I don't

want to deliberately get sick for test, eat carbs in advance of test

but if you aren't eating carbs, you might as well not get the test or

it will be negative. I mean I don't eat any grains, starchy

vegetables, fruit juice, certainly no sugar or sweets. All I have to

do is add a bowl of cereal back to my diet daily and a teaspoon of

honey to my tea every day and I become symptomatic again, agitated,

don't sleep well, sore throat, itchy ears, etc.

...., what is OAT test though?

>

> I have white coated tongue right now but all

> testing including OAT and amino acid and stool

> testing is negative for yeast.

[Guest guest]

A doctor who puts out a line of chronic fatigue syndrome products and

wrote a book on it, " From Fatigued to Fantastic " , said he had Chronic

Fatigue Syndrome and his protocol, besides over the counter (and his

brand) of supplements includes antifungals. That is how he got better

and he didn't have AIDS, nor was he being treated for cancer with

CHEMO. Those are the two things they point to that can cause an

overgrowth of fungus, but here is this doctor who didn't have either

one but got over his chronic fatigue by taking antifungals. It's like

you are talking to morons or something. What if they stopped treating

people with CHEMO and wiped out AIDS, would we have a population

totally free of fungal infections? Does that make sense to ANY

thinking person? NO, it doesn't. Don't doctors THINK? It's become

apparent that they follow the general 'guidelines' given all doctors

as customary tests and treatments given them by health care industy

and it doesn't matter how much sense you make, they aren't going to do

anything " different " than those narrow parameters. It's lazy is what

it is. There is no reward in it for them. After all if you get

better, what is in it for them? Nada.

>

> I had same test done 2 weeks ago from both Great

> Smokies (Genova) and Great Plains (Oat and Amino

> Acid) and both showed among other things low

> levels of beneficial bacteria in my GI despit

[Guest guest]

, Are you on a low carb/no sugar diet?

I am intolerant to most carbs except rice so not

intentionally but I don't think I get enough carbs

into my diet. I am allergic to sugar although I

can have certain things like agave nectar for

example but in general I don't eat a lot of carbs

and sugar.But when they did the first gut test

immunosccience some 18 months ago, I was eating

normal carbs and they did a stool test negative

for yeast and the current OAT and amino acid test

done with urine were based on 18 months of

following my eating program which probably is very

light ob carbs and sugar. Doc commented on my

white coated tongue yesterday and so did ENT when

I saw him a few weeks ago..

I can't break my low carbs diet because then I

can't walk...it isn't a diet. I simply don't eat

these foods that I am IgE or IgG positive to plus

I am celiac positive.....and for now, I can walk

pretty good. I do eat some starchy veggies.anyway

I'm not going to pay for more tests. These were

over $200 each and probably not going to be

covered by my insurance.

OAT is organic acid test done by Great Plains

Lab... Amino Acid test was done by Genova formerly

known as Great Smokies Diagnostic

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf

Of barb1283

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:43 PM

Subject: [] Re: Systemic Fungal

Infections

, Are you on a low carb/no sugar diet? If so

it can interfer

with positive test since fungus including Candida

go dormate in low

blood sugar environment. Then I would think you

wouldn't have white

coated tongue though, so not sure why that would

be. It could come

and go depending on how disciplined you are being

about your diet.

I've read you should not be tested on days you are

not symptomatic as

it can come and go. For example if you eat more

carb laden diet for

several days, i.e. break your low carb diet, yeast

or fungus could

become active and your tongue coated. Then you go

back on diet and

eat properly and you still have yeast or fungal

overgrowth but they

are inactive. If you get tested on those days,

you can test negative

even though yeast and fungus is a problem. I hate

that since I don't

want to deliberately get sick for test, eat carbs

in advance of test

but if you aren't eating carbs, you might as well

not get the test or

it will be negative. I mean I don't eat any

grains, starchy

vegetables, fruit juice, certainly no sugar or

sweets. All I have to

do is add a bowl of cereal back to my diet daily

and a teaspoon of

honey to my tea every day and I become symptomatic

again, agitated,

don't sleep well, sore throat, itchy ears, etc.

...., what is OAT test though?

>

> I have white coated tongue right now but all

> testing including OAT and amino acid and stool

> testing is negative for yeast.

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[Guest guest]

, I hear you about expense.

Do you learn anything from the organic acid test?

> OAT is organic acid test done by Great Plains

> Lab... Amino Acid test was done by Genova formerly

> known as Great Smokies Diagnostic

[Guest guest]

Low on this high on that, looked it all up. Each

contradicts the other but all confirm I am very

low in magnesium which we already knew (but can't

do mag sulfate injections) and currently doing

transdermal form of mag citrate and mag malate

Waiting to review with doctor to see if he has

more insight. Lots of abnormalities but don't

follow specific patterns and much confirm what we

already knew. Need more selenium , vita C, vita E,

which I'm already doing but had to be off all

supps for 4 days before test. Also seem to show

same gut permeability issues and malabsorbtion

which were showing in the other tests that were

done. Again, waiting for doc to sit down with me

and review. Appt coming up in few weeks..

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf

Of barb1283

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:10 PM

Subject: [] Re: Systemic Fungal

Infections

, I hear you about expense.

Do you learn anything from the organic acid test?

> OAT is organic acid test done by Great Plains

> Lab... Amino Acid test was done by Genova

formerly

> known as Great Smokies Diagnostic

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[Guest guest]

, It could be some work getting started but if you do green

vegetable juicing, you would get alot of natural magnesium. I have an

article on it I could forward to you. Chlorophyll is a molecule with

magnesium as it's core component, like hemoglobin has iron. I tried

taking magnesium but had not much of effect and some gave me the runs

taking it orally but juicing I got the effects of magnesium very

obviously. It's an abundant source. Most easy to get from Lacinato

Kale. It's kale that is a spear shaped leaf that goes into juicers

easily. Some people juice spinach. I found the kale produces more

and better juice.

>

> Low on this high on that, looked it all up. Each

> contradicts the other but all confirm I am very

> low in magnesium which we already knew (bu

[Guest guest]

I eat kale and spinach and similar dark greens in

copious amounts at each meal but cooked. I haven't

done juicing yet...

Will accept any recipes of course...just nervous ,

scared of the taste??? I am allergic to so many

foods but not any of the green veggies except

legumes

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf

Of barb1283

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:30 PM

Subject: [] Re: Systemic Fungal

Infections

, It could be some work getting started but

if you do green

vegetable juicing, you would get alot of natural

magnesium. I have an

article on it I could forward to you. Chlorophyll

is a molecule with

magnesium as it's core component, like hemoglobin

has iron. I tried

taking magnesium but had not much of effect and

some gave me the runs

taking it orally but juicing I got the effects of

magnesium very

obviously. It's an abundant source. Most easy to

get from Lacinato

Kale. It's kale that is a spear shaped leaf that

goes into juicers

easily. Some people juice spinach. I found the

kale produces more

and better juice.

>

> Low on this high on that, looked it all up. Each

> contradicts the other but all confirm I am very

> low in magnesium which we already knew (bu

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[Guest guest]

,

You put carrot juice or apple juice mixed in to mildly sweeten the

taste. It is really very tasty. You get more nutrition from the

veggie juice since it is from raw veggy and it hasn't lost any of

it's water content. When water is lost, much of the mineral content

goes with it. I love it. If someone else would prepare it I'd

drink it all day long.

I advocate rinsing veggies off with something like vinegar and water

like we talked about here a week ago to make them as clean as

possible since you aren't cooking them and your immune system

probably is weakened by your current illness.

Tomorrow I'll send you some info I have on it directly to your email

address. It really made me feel good. Second to putting the fresh

air intake in my house, green veggie juicing has done the most for

me.

>

> I eat kale and spinach and similar dark greens in

> copious amounts at each meal but cooked. I haven't

> done juicing yet...

>

> Will accept any recipes of course...just nervous ,

> scared of the taste??? I am allergic to so many

> foods but not any of the green veggies except

> legumes

[Guest guest]

,

I love juicing. I had been doing it for years, prior to my mold

exposure. I did not like the chopping,the fact that I did not get

alot of juice from the products and that my juicers would burn out

because I used it alot... When I brought the Jack Lalanne Juicer, it

solved all of my concerns. Do you have one?

Available at Target and Walmart for less than $100.00. Check out

both sites for the best price and what acessories are included with

the juicer. You will get a recipe book with it.

I use only organic vegetables and I juice everyday once to twice a

day. Here are some of my favorite recipes:

1. Celery and carrots (use a couple of carrots because they are high

in sugar)

2. romaine lettuce,celery,carrots and cabbage (use a very small

amount, otherwise it will be very overpowering)

instead of lettuce, use kale

or do all green vegetables and no carrots

3. broccolli and carrots (use the entire brocolli or use the head

for cooking and the bottom for juicing)

If you don't have a juicer, use a blender. Spinach works great in

the blender. You will have to add liquid to it.

Did you gained weight and can't exercise? Juicing or blending

vegetables will help you to lose weight. I have lost 10 pounds in 3

weeks by juicing once or twice a day. I usually drink at least 2

cups of juice which fills me up.

I am doing a version of the www.yeastconnection.com diet, avoiding

glutens and dairy products for about 3 months. I drink PLENTY of

WATER!!!! I am juicing vegetable juice only and eating raw nuts,

salmon and yams. With my spinach/salmon salad, I make my own salad

dressing out of olive oil with garlic pepper, herbs, and seasoning

salt.

I am also taking my vitamins and nutritional supplements,

calcium,magnesium, milk thistle.

I use colloidal silver in my ears, nose, and throat. I had no ear

infections since I starting taking it. Don't take it for more than

10 days in a row.

I also use Bentonite psyllium husks and detox for removing the

toxins, as well as charcoal pills, which I just started using due to

my recent exposure.

I use the Bentonite psyllium husks and detox, mixed with organic

noni juice or promogranate on an empty stomach. Note: Organic Noni

Juice/Promogranate Juice is available at Sam's Club for less than

anywhere else. It is a new product for them.

I know that it is helping with my bacteria/infections in my body,

because my recurrent yeast infections are completely gone. It has

helped with some of the symptoms of Chronic fatigue syndrome and

Fibromyalgia as well. I am still suffering from what my neurologist

called " ill-defined neuralgia " in my legs.

Please feel free to email me privately. I know that everyone reacts

differently from products and should always consult a physician

doing any of this. I am providing this as information only and not

to be use as a treatment/diagnosis of an illness.

Letitia s

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