Re: CSM made me very sick, no longer taking -

[Guest guest]

,

I have never taken CSM, but I was just wondering about

your statement " exposure exceeds detoxification. " In

that case, are there any other medicines that an

individual can take?

Barb

--- erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...>

wrote:

>

> > What is it about some of us that the standard

> methods for trying to

> bind and flush various kinds of toxins don't work

> for us and make us

> even sicker?

> >

>

> In 2001 I knowingly moved into an exposure

> situation that was greater

> than my metabolic capacity to compensate.

> I tried CSM to " take up the slack " , and although it

> seemed to help a

> bit - my condition progressively deteriorated and I

> suffered

> intestinal effects from the CSM which forced me to

> stop.

> Dr Shoemaker describes this limitation of CSM in

> Desperation

> Medicine, in which the ability of the anion organic

> transport system

> to detoxify, even when aided by CSM is outstripped

> by the levels of

> exposure.

> CSM is no magic bullet, just a part of a strategy.

>

> Treatment failure with CSM doesn't necessarily imply

> that the concept

> is flawed - only that it is insufficient to address

> situations in

> which exposure exceeds detoxification.

> -

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Or in my example, I have been removing potential

exposures for more than 3 years and don't feel at

this time that exposures continue to exceed

detoxification. I do feel that I may have exposure

and detox limitations that are harming my ability

to detox what is left but it has been multiple

years in safe housing and still plagued with

continuing issues.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf

Of Barbara

Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:56 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: CSM made me very

sick, no longer taking -

,

I have never taken CSM, but I was just wondering

about

your statement " exposure exceeds detoxification. "

In

that case, are there any other medicines that an

individual can take?

Barb

--- erikmoldwarrior

<erikmoldwarrior@...>

wrote:

>

> > What is it about some of us that the standard

> methods for trying to

> bind and flush various kinds of toxins don't

work

> for us and make us

> even sicker?

> >

>

> In 2001 I knowingly moved into an exposure

> situation that was greater

> than my metabolic capacity to compensate.

> I tried CSM to " take up the slack " , and

although it

> seemed to help a

> bit - my condition progressively deteriorated

and I

> suffered

> intestinal effects from the CSM which forced me

to

> stop.

> Dr Shoemaker describes this limitation of CSM

in

> Desperation

> Medicine, in which the ability of the anion

organic

> transport system

> to detoxify, even when aided by CSM is

outstripped

> by the levels of

> exposure.

> CSM is no magic bullet, just a part of a

strategy.

>

> Treatment failure with CSM doesn't necessarily

imply

> that the concept

> is flawed - only that it is insufficient to

address

> situations in

> which exposure exceeds detoxification.

> -

>

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> ,

I have never taken CSM, but I was just wondering about your

statement " exposure exceeds detoxification. "

In that case, are there any other medicines that an individual can

take? Barb

>

I haven't seen any that have demonstrable efficacy yet, but I'm

looking forward to hearing about it when it does come along.

Charcoal and bentonite lack the specific electrostatic charge, and

chitosan would work, except that it is destroyed by stomach acid.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't use them, only that I have,

and they didn't really help as much as it seems that they should.

The peculiarity that virtually all stories of mold illness has in

coommon, is that people don't recognize it until it hits a certain

level. It was certainly having an effect, yet it was not really

felt or treated as a serious threat.

The precursor state, does not to be sufficiently noticeable to

arouse peoples suspicions enough consistently recognizable - as

evidenced by the people who fail to notice and do not connect mold

or SBS to their illness until they are extremely ill.

As we discussed recently, chemical exposure have the capicity to

induce a " masking " or " blocking response " in which the chemical is

still doing its damage - yet the body mysteriously shuts off the

response.

As we see so often, in the stories of people who didn't realize how

much trouble they were in until they went somewhere else.

People in the midst of chronic damaging exposure are almost

universally unaware of it. The only real exception is the class of

people who finally become SO ill that they connect the illness to

their location even without experiencing " The Relative Shift " .

Going to a pristine location " unmasks " the " masking response " and

what was felt to be a tolerable exposure is suddenly unveiled as a

source of toxicity, that although not overwhelming - is still a

driving force and a hindrance to recovery.

Everyone I've seen who has returned from " getting clear " is

surprised that sources of exposure they thought to be negligible

were far more significant than they had previously perceived.

That's why I say that I pay attention to subtle exposures.

-

[Guest guest]

-So true . so many things can interfer with how you percieve what

is happening to you while exposed, 1. the effect it has on

consentration. 2. a doctor treating you like your crazy can cause

doughts in yourself and being dignosed with PTSD doesn't help.short

term memory loss doesn't help. 3. if its a long term exposure to

lower amounts and your getting worse along with the mold getting

worse, some symptoms sneak up on you before theri reconized over more

painful symptoms.and with so many symptoms and illnesses going on its

impositable to seperate(masked) and yes after removel from sorse and

some symptoms get better or go away, your overall illnesses seperate

(unmask)and your detection sences dont seem to kick in good until

your have practiced advoidence, this also makes you seem to have

worse reactions when exposed, but may just be a highten sence of

awareness, and also some illnesses continue to worsen without benifit

of detox, dignoses, and lack of information to help you. not knowing

that oyu need to get free of irritants of any kind(exspecially if you

have MCS and dont know it) and the fact that many rentel apartments

that can keep your symptoms aggervated, can also delay you felling

better and getting a grip on whats happening to you. being out 4

years and only getting relief in the last year was maining based on

my lack of knowledge and lack of expert advice and dignoses. even

though some symptoms went away after getting out my MCS seemed to

take over and lack of consentration played a big role in continued

suffering. only after I made contact with a expert and started

getting advice did I start realizeing that my enviroment was keeping

my illnesses aggervated. only after some testing and dignoses of food

allergies did I get relief to my stomach. even though I had read up

on molds/mycotoxins a year before this and knew I had MCS before it

was dignosed. I didn't soak much of that info. in to my brain. and at

that time thought advoidence just meant getting out of the moldy

home. what I read only confermed to me that toxic molds had caused my

illnesses and symptoms. it was even longer before I started

realizeing exactly when my exposure began and why, because I had been

condictioned by my the belief that doctors know best, and the way my

family doctor had treated me, and misdignosed me, had a definete

effect on my way of

thinking.

-- In , " erikmoldwarrior "

<erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

>

>

> > ,

> I have never taken CSM, but I was just wondering about your

> statement " exposure exceeds detoxification. "

> In that case, are there any other medicines that an individual can

> take? Barb

> >

>

>

> I haven't seen any that have demonstrable efficacy yet, but I'm

> looking forward to hearing about it when it does come along.

> Charcoal and bentonite lack the specific electrostatic charge, and

> chitosan would work, except that it is destroyed by stomach acid.

> I'm not saying that people shouldn't use them, only that I have,

> and they didn't really help as much as it seems that they should.

>

> The peculiarity that virtually all stories of mold illness has in

> coommon, is that people don't recognize it until it hits a certain

> level. It was certainly having an effect, yet it was not really

> felt or treated as a serious threat.

> The precursor state, does not to be sufficiently noticeable to

> arouse peoples suspicions enough consistently recognizable - as

> evidenced by the people who fail to notice and do not connect mold

> or SBS to their illness until they are extremely ill.

> As we discussed recently, chemical exposure have the capicity to

> induce a " masking " or " blocking response " in which the chemical is

> still doing its damage - yet the body mysteriously shuts off the

> response.

> As we see so often, in the stories of people who didn't realize

how

> much trouble they were in until they went somewhere else.

> People in the midst of chronic damaging exposure are almost

> universally unaware of it. The only real exception is the class of

> people who finally become SO ill that they connect the illness to

> their location even without experiencing " The Relative Shift " .

> Going to a pristine location " unmasks " the " masking response " and

> what was felt to be a tolerable exposure is suddenly unveiled as a

> source of toxicity, that although not overwhelming - is still a

> driving force and a hindrance to recovery.

> Everyone I've seen who has returned from " getting clear " is

> surprised that sources of exposure they thought to be negligible

> were far more significant than they had previously perceived.

> That's why I say that I pay attention to subtle exposures.

> -

>