Doctor who thinks what we are experiencing is stress.

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I have made a new friend who I have been communicating with. He is a

doctor who studies how stress impacts workers. He is a very nice man. His

approach is to look at mind, body and spiritual well being in understanding

illness.

However, he does not understand the brain fog brought on by excessive

mold exposure. I have been trying to explain to him that one of the most

stressful aspects we deal with, are doctors who keep trying to chalk our

illnesses

up to stress.

Could any of you take a minute and write how this approach by doctors has

effected you? Be nice. Because I am going to forward your response on.

Thanks,

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Yes. Of course stress can increase the effects of illness. But, what I am

really looking for is HOW some's stress was increased by doctors who wanted

to chalk their illness up solely to stress. In others words, those who were

told that mold does not cause brain fog by their doctors, how did that impact

your health?

Thanks,

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Hey Jeanine,

Don't knock yourself out over it. It's just a casual correspondance with

a nice doctor from ACOEM - who doesn't understand that mold really does

cause cognitive dysfuction. And why would he given what he is being told by

ACOEM?

He is pretty set in his opinion. But, he is willing to listen. Just a

short note or whatever is easy for you to write would be good.

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Thank you. And I agree with everything you are saying. But that is not what

I am asking.

Here is what I am asking:

HOW someone's stress was increased by doctors who wanted to chalk their

illness up solely to stress. In others words, those who were told that mold

does

not cause brain fog by their doctors. How did that impact your health?

Thanks,

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Actually, the two are additive. When you are under stress, the body

produces corticosteroids which, as we all know, make you more

suceptible to many mold-related issues. And of course, losing ones

job, spouse, home, or life due to mold related illness are extremely

stressful.

The point that I am trying to make is that we need a new way of

looking at serious insults to one's health, legally. Each of these

insults, in a sense, 'steals' some of your life. There is no denying

that they in every way, 'age' you. When I was a teenager I saw a movie

about a futuristic society where youth was fetishized and a punishment

for transgressions was being 'aged' (which stole some of your life)

A good friend of mine who is on this list is fighting for legal

representation in the face of a situation in which it is pretty clear

that someone actually DIED from mold. If they cannot find a lawyer in

such a CLEAR situation, something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the system.

When I grew up and learned about the legal system, the way legal torts

was explained to me was that they should be a deterrent to wrongdoers

by being large enough to make up for the large percentage of those who

did not sue. But now, that percentage is so large and the awards so

pathetically low as to make that deterrent increasingly meaningless

and unthreatening to those who would poison us with impunity.

We do this at our peril.

Yes, work and life events do cause stress. Yes, mycotoxins kill. Lots

of other things can contribute to pushing us over that cliff. Does the

existence of one mean that the committers of the other injuries should

get off scot free? NO.

Who does not have stress in their lives?

[Guest guest]

OMG, Sharon, I am very sorry.. Mold is making me snappy..

I honestly think that mold toxins and stress DO add up to make a

LETHAL combination for the brain and therest of the body.

Increasingly, all work is brain work. (non-brain work is better done

by machines) so to lose one's clear thinking ability means to lose

ones job. This for most of us means a swift spiral into poverty. (It

did for me. Twice.)

(Unless one is a member of what our Glorious Leader calls the

" Investor Class " which basically means you are rich enough not to have

to work.)

What could be more stressful than that?

[Guest guest]

--- dang sharon, I wrote a letter for you but I took to long and when I

went to post it I'm not sure it went through. wish my brain would work

right, I knew I could have this problem and should have saved it first.

how soon do you need them, maybe I will rewrite it. lol's if you got it

and it wasn't nice enough let me know so I can try to be nicer on the

next

one.

In , snk1955@... wrote:

>

> Yes. Of course stress can increase the effects of illness. But,

what I am

> really looking for is HOW some's stress was increased by doctors who

wanted

> to chalk their illness up solely to stress. In others words, those

who were

> told that mold does not cause brain fog by their doctors, how did

that impact

> your health?

>

> Thanks,

> Sharon

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think that ultimately, people who are finding a brick wall need to

demand treatment and get a paper trail going so that if doctors

continue to do this they can sue them and the insurance companies.

Perhaps what is needed is a way they can document their symptoms

themselves, independent of doctors or lawyers or politicians or

corporate whores.

[Guest guest]

Sharon, I posted my letter, but I want to add something to it before

you foward it, didn't say anything about the stress caused by lack of

dignoses and treatment.

- In , snk1955@... wrote:

>

> Thank you. And I agree with everything you are saying. But that

is not what

> I am asking.

>

> Here is what I am asking:

>

> HOW someone's stress was increased by doctors who wanted to chalk

their

> illness up solely to stress. In others words, those who were told

that mold does

> not cause brain fog by their doctors. How did that impact your

health?

>

> Thanks,

> Sharon

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

Just a quick word about doctors blaming mold illness on stress. I

was not stressed or depressed before I got ill. In fact, I was

experiencing one of the happiest times of my life. The first doctor

that I went to when I got ill told me that there was nothing wrong

with me. He told me to get a brown paper bag and to breathe in it.

I should mention he didn't even examine me. I am not sure what

doctors are thinking when they tell patients this, but what I get

from the experience is that they do not know what is wrong with me,

they are not interested in finding out, and to cover themselves

legally they come up with a diagnosis that can be applied to every

single person in the world. Think about it, Who doesn't have

stress? I remember trying to explain that I wasn't stressed and

thinking to myself `this man isn't listening to me'. I came to the

realization that the more time I took trying to convince him that my

illness wasn't `stressed-related' the more stressed I sounded.

Logically, stress can't cause my illness. Why is it that I can

figure this out and the doctors can't. Stress doesn't cause my

brain to swell, stress doesn't cause immediate joint inflammation,

it doesn't make me forget how to drive to a house that I have lived

at for 6 years, stress doesn't cause two hospitalizations in a one

month period. And if it does, then there should be many more people

in the hospital. If you really thought someone was stressed

wouldn't the compassionate thing be to order some blood and other

diagnostic tests to ease your patient's mind.

How did this impact my health… Well, it certainly didn't make me

any better. I had to take every ounce of energy, which wasn't very

much, to find a competent doctor. I wonder if I would be better now

if that 1st doctor had listened. I would have gotten out of my

house a year earlier, started CSM earlier and avoided a lot of

mental pain and anguish.

[Guest guest]

Sharon ,

the fusteration and fear of being ill and haveing test come back

negative when you have pains that say you have, lets say, kidney

infection, is just that for me. fusteration and fear. haveing a

doctor treat you like you have a stress problem or look at you with

disbelief when you tell him for the 3rd or 4th time that you have

pain in your kidney area, or smiles at you and ignore your

complaints, makes me angry and fusterated. I was dignosed with

anixity and depression 4 years into my mold exposure, 4 years later

it was dignosed by the same doctor as progressed to PTSD. my mold

exposure was not known.this same doctor stated in his report that

based on certain test and interviews with me, that I was a level

headed person and did not blow things out of purportion. I have

always been one who deals with my fellings by doing something about

it or blowing it off. yes, these fellings caused me stress and and no

dought more anixity, but mostly anger because my word was not being

taken seriously.I see that as a lack of respect. that in turn can

cause fellings of dought in yourself, causeing a internal strugle

within your self to remain strong and steadfast in your beliefs.

after all they are the doctor, you are the patient. now, looking back

on the years of pain I suffered with no relief, the misdignoses and

what appears to be a general lack of careing by my family doctor to

even try to find answers, plus additional doctors that also failed to

have answers or provide me with relief and did not take my statements

of pain as being as bad as it was, leaves me with nothing but anger.

Im angry while just writeing this, but I do not fell what I consider

stress. only anger. anger because I suffered, anger because I now

have lost my health and 4 years out of the mold and its looking like

I will have some serious problems that I will have to deal with the

rest of my life. fear because I hate canser and Im worried that my

stomach has suffered so much that this may be whats to come from it.

anger and sadness because i have spent 12 years dealing with pain and

it took me away from my family and continues to do this because of

MCS, and the other problems I suffer from. anger because I am the mom

and dad to my daughters and gma and gpa to my beautiful 5 grandsons

and 1 granddaughter and I cant be there for them the way I want to

be. anger because of the loss of time that I could have been injoying

life to the fullest and that has been taken from me. adjusting to try

to live life to the fullest that it can possably be with this illness

is very, very hard. and being pushed into poverty level by this

diffently causes stress when you strugle to get by month to

month.

>

> Thank you. And I agree with everything you are saying. But that

is not what

> I am asking.

>

> Here is what I am asking:

>

> HOW someone's stress was increased by doctors who wanted to chalk

their

> illness up solely to stress. In others words, those who were told

that mold does

> not cause brain fog by their doctors. How did that impact your

health?

>

> Thanks,

> Sharon

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

stress is, of course, involved in some sense in maybe most diseases,

it is hard though to decide what is cause and what is effect.

Stress is not always the so-called social stress, when you try to do

too much to fast with too little influence over your situation etc.

There is also something called toxic stress, when various poisonous

substances affect, for instance, the immune and/or hormone systems.

Those substances could be environmental toxins of all sorts, say,

mercury, dioxins, mold and glucans ...

So, it is a complex picture. The problem as I see it is that far too

many doctors use this stress syndrome as an excuse when they don't

understand diseases such as CFS, fibromyalgia, mercury poisoning from

dental amalgams, and of course from molds.

I published a couple of articles about this a few years ago. Mold is

not explicitly mentioned here but they deal more generally with the

somatization diagnose as a sort of fits-all diagnose. One of the

articles was written by a Swedish psychiatrist who got tired of many

of his colleagues and their eagerness to put the label of

somatization, stress syndrome or psychosomatic on various conditions

with an obscure ethiology. If it is so obscure, how come they can be

so sure the cause is psychosomatic?

See

http://art-bin.com/art/dalen_en.html

and http://art-bin.com/art/canaries_en.html

/Karl- Tallmo

>Hi All,

>

> I have made a new friend who I have been communicating with. He is a

>doctor who studies how stress impacts workers. He is a very nice man. His

>approach is to look at mind, body and spiritual well being in understanding

>illness.

>

> However, he does not understand the brain fog brought on by excessive

>mold exposure. I have been trying to explain to him that one of the most

>stressful aspects we deal with, are doctors who keep trying to chalk

>our illnesses

>up to stress.

>

> Could any of you take a minute and write how this approach by doctors has

>effected you? Be nice. Because I am going to forward your response on.

>

>Thanks,

>Sharon

>

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years. Tallmo has written six books. He has participated as

an expert in governmental investigations on new media and been

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[Guest guest]

Well all we have to do is fine a place that mold is so bad and make him and

offer to live there himself as we all know? Talk is so cheep and this person is

only fooling him or her self.

Let's make the challenge see if he takes it Katrina left many great places where

we can send this doubter.

Practice what you preach Take the challenge.

Elvira

Re: [] Re: Doctor who thinks what we are experiencing is

stress.

Hey Jeanine,

Don't knock yourself out over it. It's just a casual correspondance with

a nice doctor from ACOEM - who doesn't understand that mold really does

cause cognitive dysfuction. And why would he given what he is being told by

ACOEM?

He is pretty set in his opinion. But, he is willing to listen. Just a

short note or whatever is easy for you to write would be good.

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Yes it can be very stressfull. I lost it about two years ago. I now see a

very understanding pschchiatrist who understands and beieves me. Im on some

" chill pills " as I call them. Nothuing strong.

Janet

[Guest guest]

It can certainly create frustration which can

lead to a sense of futility and bring on

depression, is one example...

-Haley

--- snk1955@... wrote:

> Thank you. And I agree with everything you are

> saying. But that is not what

> I am asking.

>

> Here is what I am asking:

>

> HOW someone's stress was increased by doctors

> who wanted to chalk their

> illness up solely to stress. In others words,

> those who were told that mold does

> not cause brain fog by their doctors. How did

> that impact your health?

>

> Thanks,

> Sharon

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

for all of you who sent a response. thank you. I can't say that this

particular doctor has " seen the light " . but I can tell he is thinking. and

rethinking.