Guest guest Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 Hi everyone, I hope you've all had a great week. I've got a question for Stasia, , and any other BFL'ers who are more geared toward building some visible muscle and definition vs. weight loss. I'm going into my second 12 week cycle on Monday, and one of my goals is to drop down to 18% body fat by November 21. I'm currently (at 5'6 " ) 133 lbs and 22.4% body fat (103 lbs of lean body mass). For those of you with more experience at this program than me, is my goal realistic? I did some calculations and figured that I'd have to drop 7 lbs of body fat while maintaining my 103 lbs of lean mass if I wanted to hit my body fat goal through fat loss only, or gain 6 lbs of muscle if I wanted to do it by maintaining my current scale weight but increasing muscle mass. Most likely, I'll get to my goal by doing something between these two extremes, but my preference would be to put on at least 3 lbs of lean muscle (Can a female gain that much in her arms? LOL...I still want those Bassett arms.) and let the fat loss take care of itself. Is this achievable in 12 weeks by just continuing to follow the BFL program (and pushing harder on upper body workouts) without any supplements like creatine or HMB? All I use is whey protein powder for convenience, a daily multivitamin with iron and calcium, and possibly flax oil in this next challenge. I suspect that it would be easier to lose the fat than to gain muscle, but I would like to balance myself out a bit more by getting my arm musculature on par with my legs. Thanks in advance for your advice! Maggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 and one of my goals > is to drop down to 18% body fat by November 21. I'm currently (at > 5'6 " ) 133 lbs and 22.4% body fat (103 lbs of lean body mass). For > those of you with more experience at this program than me, is my goal> I suspect that it would be easier to lose the fat than to gain muscle, > Maggie, I am not quite as experienced at or Stasia, but I was in the same place you were a couple of months ago. IMO, yes, you can do that. It should be really easy for you to loose that fat, especially from what I've seen of your photos. You seem dedicated to doing it whole-heartedly and staying clean. As far as how much muscle...well, let me tell you, since I finished my first challenge and started working on another goal (compete in figure competition in October) I have found that muscle gain is soooo hard. I think I've gained a couple of pounds of muscle, but there is no way to be sure. I can see it though, and everyone I know is complimenting me on my arms (hardest for me to build...so glad for tank top season...motivation!). What I've found to really help me is that when I do arms and shoulders (which I now work on a different day from chest and back) is to lift heavy. Heavy!!!! Don't do what you think you can do. Do more! You may surprise yourself. I know I did! And change up the exercises you are doing. I don't know wether or not it really does *shock* your body into doing more, but I found with a fresh set of exercises I wasn't bored, and I didn't have a mental block against going heavier. None of that... " well I've only ever been able to lift 20lbs, so that is my heaviest " . Keep working like you are, keep setting your goals, stay focused, think of having that hard body you want. You can do it! If I can do this (and I am the height of lazy) I know anybody can do this. You are really close to where you want to go, and I bet you can do even more than you think! Go girl!!!!! ----Mandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 According to my calculations you would need to gain 2-3 pounds of lean mass and lose 6-7 pounds of fat. That's a pretty realistic goal. Gaining lean mass gets harder the longer you lift but gaining another 1-3 pounds in 12 weeks is probably doable. The trick is to make sure your that your muscles are well fed and that your calorie deficit doesn't get too big. You barely need to lose half a pound of fat a week. So, nothing drastic calorie-wise. I would also eat before and after workouts if you're not doing that already. Don't do the empty stomach and wait an hour thing if your main goal is muscle. Also, since gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time is rather difficult. You might put more of an emphasis on muscle gain in your first 8 weeks (really heavy weights, high-quality food, lots of rest). Then tighten up the diet and let there be a slightly bigger calorie deficit in the last 4 weeks. That will insure that you lean out nicely for the next set of pictures. As far as your arms go, what Mandi said. You can't really pick where you want to put your new muscle, but you're more likely to have good gains in your arms if you're training them very heavy and constantly changing the routine. Reducing body fat question: Increasing muscle vs. losing body fat? Hi everyone, I hope you've all had a great week. I've got a question for Stasia, , and any other BFL'ers who are more geared toward building some visible muscle and definition vs. weight loss. I'm going into my second 12 week cycle on Monday, and one of my goals is to drop down to 18% body fat by November 21. I'm currently (at 5'6 " ) 133 lbs and 22.4% body fat (103 lbs of lean body mass). For those of you with more experience at this program than me, is my goal realistic? I did some calculations and figured that I'd have to drop 7 lbs of body fat while maintaining my 103 lbs of lean mass if I wanted to hit my body fat goal through fat loss only, or gain 6 lbs of muscle if I wanted to do it by maintaining my current scale weight but increasing muscle mass. Most likely, I'll get to my goal by doing something between these two extremes, but my preference would be to put on at least 3 lbs of lean muscle (Can a female gain that much in her arms? LOL...I still want those Bassett arms.) and let the fat loss take care of itself. Is this achievable in 12 weeks by just continuing to follow the BFL program (and pushing harder on upper body workouts) without any supplements like creatine or HMB? All I use is whey protein powder for convenience, a daily multivitamin with iron and calcium, and possibly flax oil in this next challenge. I suspect that it would be easier to lose the fat than to gain muscle, but I would like to balance myself out a bit more by getting my arm musculature on par with my legs. Thanks in advance for your advice! Maggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 and Mandi, Thanks so much for the advice. I just *knew* it would be tougher to build muscle than to lose fat as a gal. :-\ For the first 8 weeks of this cycle, I'm switching my eating schedule to include a half protein shake before and half after my weight training workouts, keeping my average between 1500-1600 (1300-1400 low cal days alternated with 1700-1800 higher cal days) for an average daily deficit of -250 calories and yes, pushing for higher weights. Heh...I'm sure not going to amaze anyone with dramatic weight loss! Well, when all is said and done, I'd rather have bigger arm muscles anyhow. In my last six weeks I'll cut the calories back down to the 1300-1400 range, go back to doing my UBWO and LBWO on an empty stomach and waiting at least 30 minutes to eat afterwards, and, as my little sister puts it, go turbo on the cardio. This is going to be a fun couple of months! Woohoo! Maggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 Are you going to do specific days 1300-1400, 1500-1600 and 1700- 1800? Like Monday and Tues, 1300-1400, Wed and Thur 1500-1600, etc? I am a bit confused on how to go about zig zagging. Thanks! > and Mandi, > > Thanks so much for the advice. I just *knew* it would be tougher to > build muscle than to lose fat as a gal. :-\ > > For the first 8 weeks of this cycle, I'm switching my eating schedule > to include a half protein shake before and half after my weight > training workouts, keeping my average between 1500-1600 (1300-1400 low > cal days alternated with 1700-1800 higher cal days) for an average > daily deficit of -250 calories and yes, pushing for higher weights. > Heh...I'm sure not going to amaze anyone with dramatic weight loss! > Well, when all is said and done, I'd rather have bigger arm muscles > anyhow. > > In my last six weeks I'll cut the calories back down to the 1300- 1400 > range, go back to doing my UBWO and LBWO on an empty stomach and > waiting at least 30 minutes to eat afterwards, and, as my little > sister puts it, go turbo on the cardio. > > This is going to be a fun couple of months! > > Woohoo! > > Maggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 Actually, I'm only doing 1300-1400 and 1700-1800 days. The 1500-1600 is what all of those other days will hopefully average out to over the course of a week. I'm planning on M-W-F 1300-1400 calories, and T-TH-Su for 1700- 1800 calories. Saturday I take as free day. I tend to be hungrier on my cardio days, so those are going to be my high calorie days. I haven't done this before, so I'm still winging it, too. I tried my plan last week during my week off, though, and I noticed that it really takes the desperate edge off of free day. Free day just isn't as big a deal when I get to have two extra chocolate peanut butter banana shakes every other day! (That's how I'm bumping up my calories.) Maggie Re: Reducing body fat question: Increasing muscle vs. losing body fat? Are you going to do specific days 1300-1400, 1500-1600 and 1700- 1800? Like Monday and Tues, 1300-1400, Wed and Thur 1500-1600, etc? I am a bit confused on how to go about zig zagging. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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