Re: Long Term Effects of Mold

April 27, 2006

Sorry to say, the effects are permanent. When you walk into a house or building

with mold, you will smell it immedeately. You may experience a headache or your

lungs will tighten up. You may even get a tingling on your tounge. Your teeth

will be brittle. You may devlope other medical problems from skin rashing easily

now to intestineal pollups. You may have nasel problems at the drop of a hat. It

is different in everyone, but since your immune system was damaged, I suggest

very thourogh checkups regularly.

One of the good things about being out of the environment is that your

toenails eventually will turn pink from yellow ( one of my positive side effects

). You will smell everything better, and foods have taste again.

Good luck, and Thank God you are out of there!!!

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April 27, 2006

It would be interesting to have a physician who specializes in mold speak to

this question. I am wondering myself what percentage end up with permanent

sensitivity since not everyone with mold exposure and illness due to this, end

up with permanent problems.

My guess is what makes clarification of this issue more challenging is in the

multiple exposures people can experience and often do not even realize that

this is what is occurring. Though commonly those with prior exposures are

more sensitive to the smell and will often experience immediate reactions to a

moldy environment, this is not always the case. One cannot, nor should not count

on smelling mold within an environment to know it is there or not. In

addition, reactions to a moldy environment may not always be immediate.

In a message dated 4/27/06 8:33:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

thewelch_family@... writes:

> My family was exposed to high levels of Aspergillus for 6 to 7 months

> along with other molds and we are having a lot of health problems. We

> live in Colorado and all we keep hearing is mold does not grow in

> Colorado or you just have a viral infections (that never goes away).

> We have since moved out and we are feeling slightly better but new

> symptoms keep coming up especially in my husband and I. Our kids seem

> to be doing much better other than having chronic constipation and or

> diarrhea verses while we were still living there they were having

> nosebleeds, headaches, vomiting and difficulty breathing.

>

> My question is does anyone know how long the effects of mold can stick

> around? Any help on the mold subject would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks,

>

April 28, 2006

I think that the only good answer would be that the situation varies

quite a bit from person to person. There are no simplistic answers.

Also, as is the situation with alcoholics, I think that the most

dramatic and debilitating aspect of mold-related insults might not

show up much until a person hit their 50s or 60s, because when we are

younger, our brains have a lot of excess capacity that most of us

don't use.. So people with 'mild' brain injuries often deteriorate

much faster when they hit 65 or so.. these subtle issues often first

show up as word finding difficulties and coordination problems..

April 28, 2006

---I dont think it has anything to do with age. I think its soley

based on the amounts of mycotoxins you breath and for how long you

breath them and how much damage it does to your organs before you get

out. after you get out, weather you get proper medical help and find

a way to detox fast may help stop the toxins from doing more damage,

but your body also on its own will regain a certain amount of trying

to detox these toxins too, and how well it is able to do this

possably depends on the damage you have, and advoidence. can any of

you say that any herbs or medicenes have made you recover? I just

fell that my body has been through enough without adding a bunch of

other things to my system for my body to work hardier to rid. I may

try milk thisle,but I have to say that I worry about some people that

are trying so many things, aren't you worried about the extra stress

on your body to rid itself of these

things?

In ,

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

>

> I think that the only good answer would be that the situation varies

> quite a bit from person to person. There are no simplistic answers.

>

> Also, as is the situation with alcoholics, I think that the most

> dramatic and debilitating aspect of mold-related insults might not

> show up much until a person hit their 50s or 60s, because when we

are

> younger, our brains have a lot of excess capacity that most of us

> don't use.. So people with 'mild' brain injuries often deteriorate

> much faster when they hit 65 or so.. these subtle issues often first

> show up as word finding difficulties and coordination problems..

>

April 28, 2006

I do not have to smell mold to know that I have been exposed. My

nose will start running within a few minutes of exposure. If I can't

qet out of a building fast enough then I will experience a sore

throat and flu like symptoms for a couple of days. I have to be very

careful where I go now and stay out of places that I know are

problems for me. I live in a dry, dusty part of the country and

people tell me all the time they didn't know there would be mold

problems here. I get sick of hearing that, but I try to educate all

I can.

Debbie

>

> It would be interesting to have a physician who specializes in mold

speak to

> this question. I am wondering myself what percentage end up with

permanent

> sensitivity since not everyone with mold exposure and illness due

to this, end

> up with permanent problems.

>

> My guess is what makes clarification of this issue more challenging

is in the

> multiple exposures people can experience and often do not even

realize that

> this is what is occurring. Though commonly those with prior

exposures are

> more sensitive to the smell and will often experience immediate

reactions to a

> moldy environment, this is not always the case. One cannot, nor

should not count

> on smelling mold within an environment to know it is there or not.

In

> addition, reactions to a moldy environment may not always be

immediate.

>

> In a message dated 4/27/06 8:33:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> thewelch_family@... writes:

>

> > My family was exposed to high levels of Aspergillus for 6 to 7

months

> > along with other molds and we are having a lot of health

problems. We

> > live in Colorado and all we keep hearing is mold does not grow in

> > Colorado or you just have a viral infections (that never goes

away).

> > We have since moved out and we are feeling slightly better but

new

> > symptoms keep coming up especially in my husband and I. Our kids

seem

> > to be doing much better other than having chronic constipation

and or

> > diarrhea verses while we were still living there they were having

> > nosebleeds, headaches, vomiting and difficulty breathing.

> >

> > My question is does anyone know how long the effects of mold can

stick

> > around? Any help on the mold subject would be greatly

appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

>

April 28, 2006

I am sorry if I was being ambiguous, I was specifically talking about

loss of brain cells, and how 'mild' brain injuries in one's life can

dramatically influence how long people can live on their own without

being completely unable to work, needing nursing home care, diapers,

feeding, etc.

Just look at our President, who was an alcoholic for a good chunk of

his younger life. Look at how hard it is for him to find words and

come back to questions posed to him.

He's paying a price for those years, in a big way. Neurotoxins have a

similar effect.

He's very, very lucky that he (now) has lifetime health insurance.. If

we could all be so lucky, it wouldn't matter so much. But a bill is

winding its way through Congress that would require that health

insurers get paid first out of any damage awards in personal injury

lawsuits, even if the bill would swallow up the entire award (not

uncommon) so all of us with mold-related health issues need to think

long and hard about the situation and PLAN AHEAD... Jobs might not

always be as plentiful as they are now...in fact, its pretty much a

given that they won't.

(Look up " 's Law " for one of the biggest reasons WHY)

April 28, 2006

Actually, alcohol IS a neurotoxin, a significant one, so I must NOT

have been thinking when I said this here.

>

> He's paying a price for those years, in a big way. Neurotoxins have a

> similar effect.

>

April 28, 2006

LiveSimply,

Neurotoxins or biotoxins, whichever term fits you. You sure about

that? I don't believe it is the alcohol that are causing the cognative

problems.Remember when he was governor of Texas? The mansion was shut

down due to mold contamination, because employees and tourists were

getting sick. I think they spent 1.8 million in remediation.

KC

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Actually, alcohol IS a neurotoxin, a significant one, so I must NOT

> have been thinking when I said this here.

>

> >

> > He's paying a price for those years, in a big way. Neurotoxins

have a

> > similar effect.

> >

>

April 28, 2006

I'm sorry, I will have to disagree with this statement (the effects

are permanent.) We are still not 100% sure what ailments/illnesses

are permanent. Try to be optimistic, even though these conditions

may feel permenant at this time, it still may be too early to give

such a broad statment. We try and leave this part of it up to the

specialists and physicians. How many times have they been proven

wrong when they've said something is permenant? Or that you have

only a certain amount of time on this planet and they (patients) end

up living another 20-30 years. Everyone is different and everyone

has a fighting chance. No matter how crummy you may feel. Example,

my wife had 9 years of " fibro " pain and after 2 months on CSM that

part of her condition seems to have diminished immensely.

Many symptoms do disappear once out of the toxic environment, some

have recovered very quickly and others seemed to have taken a little

longer and many have not recovered at all. The ones that have not

recovered, are these symptoms permenant? I don't think anybody can

answer that question. Of course, some organs could be permanently

damaged, so in this situation you can not expect a full recovery or

gain your health back to where it once was even on CSM. Again, CSM

is not the whole treatment, it is only the first step to help

overcome this condition.

We have been told, like many others, that my wife has permanent

brain damage, yes this is very hard to swollow and to accept. But

this doesn't mean we are giving up and the cognitive issues aren't

going to get better over time. We have to still keep striving for

the best.

There have been many instantances where several family members have

almost recovered or regained their health and others have not. Can

this be explained? Nobody knows for sure. We all have to continue

being active and helping to move the science forward.

KC

>

> Sorry to say, the effects are permanent. When you walk into a

house or building with mold, you will smell it immedeately. You may

experience a headache or your lungs will tighten up. You may even

get a tingling on your tounge. Your teeth will be brittle. You may

devlope other medical problems from skin rashing easily now to

intestineal pollups. You may have nasel problems at the drop of a

hat. It is different in everyone, but since your immune system was

damaged, I suggest very thourogh checkups regularly.

> One of the good things about being out of the environment is

that your toenails eventually will turn pink from yellow ( one of my

positive side effects ). You will smell everything better, and foods

have taste again.

> Good luck, and Thank God you are out of there!!!

>

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April 28, 2006

Well, both of you are right, IMO. I see any illness as compared to

cancer...I am only using cancer as an example to make my point...but

we see cancer patients who totally heal from terminal cancer, we see

some who heal slowly. Some never heal.

Same way with mold posioning..the illness affects people

differently. I am better now than I was 2 months ago. It has been 4

years now and it has been a tough battle but I am feeling much

better. At one point about a year ago, I thought I was only going to

get worse. Will I ever totally recover? I have no idea, time will

tell. I do know that if I had went into the house I went into today

a year ago, I would be in bed right now feeling like death!

By the way, I went digging for rocks last Sunday at a place called

Diamond Hill, Anterville, SC..Goggle it, it is an amazing

place...this is the first time since before my mold posioning 4

years ago that I have been able to get out and actually do something

that I use to enjoy! I did not even get sick the next day! I was

kinda concern i would be ill all week after digging around in all

that mud in the deep of the woods! But I feel great!

> >

> > Sorry to say, the effects are permanent. When you walk into a

> house or building with mold, you will smell it immedeately. You

may

> experience a headache or your lungs will tighten up. You may even

> get a tingling on your tounge. Your teeth will be brittle. You may

> devlope other medical problems from skin rashing easily now to

> intestineal pollups. You may have nasel problems at the drop of a

> hat. It is different in everyone, but since your immune system was

> damaged, I suggest very thourogh checkups regularly.

> > One of the good things about being out of the environment is

> that your toenails eventually will turn pink from yellow ( one of

my

> positive side effects ). You will smell everything better, and

foods

> have taste again.

> > Good luck, and Thank God you are out of there!!!

> >

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April 28, 2006

Really? Well, that would explain it too.. But I had heard that it was

who was the one that suffered most from the mold..

I also remember all the stories about him at Yale.. like the NYT coat

hangers and naked pledges story..

On 4/27/06, tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote:

> LiveSimply,

>

> Neurotoxins or biotoxins, whichever term fits you. You sure about

> that? I don't believe it is the alcohol that are causing the cognative

> problems.Remember when he was governor of Texas? The mansion was shut

> down due to mold contamination, because employees and tourists were

> getting sick. I think they spent 1.8 million in remediation.

>

> KC

>

> >

> > Actually, alcohol IS a neurotoxin, a significant one, so I must NOT

> > have been thinking when I said this here.

> >

> > >

> > > He's paying a price for those years, in a big way. Neurotoxins

> have a

> > > similar effect.

> > >

> >

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

April 28, 2006

Have people who have 'brain fog' from mold (like me) tried piracetam,

vinpocetine, etc.? (i.e. nootropics) Esp. combined with choline..

They help me a lot. Without them, I am in much worse shape.. I can

barely function..

They can't repair brain damage, but they can and do help you make the

most of what you have still got.. And without exception, they are

extremely safe and for the most part, relatively affordable..

The one thing they don't help much with is short term memory, though,

it seems..

But they do help long term memory..

April 28, 2006

your story inspires me. I have been sick for three years and still doing bad.

I am so glad for you....

Janet

April 28, 2006

As a scientist studying microbiology and involved in molecular science over

the past 20 years, I will respect your ability to think or believe anything

you wish to, but as a scientist I will tell you based upon the prevailing

scientific evidence aging is the " primary " degenerating genetic and

metabolic factor behind illnesses inwhich decomposing pathogenic micro fungi

and their excreted mycotoxins are involved. Your hypothesis might be more

correct in illnesses inwhich invading gram-negative bacteria and pathogenic

viruses are involved. However, because micro fungi biochemically operate as

a reactive consequence of genetic change and are " the " primary decomposers

and work much more subtly than the other organisms mentioned, I differ with

your assessments. The other implications of pathogenic micro fungi in

disrupting activity within the human biosphere is that our immune system is

very closely related to similarity to fungus as opposed to our own human

cells. As the human body begins to age genetically and chemically metabolism

begins to change and slow down, and in effect weaken as aging progresses.

Here is a question to ponder. Why is it that micro fungi are the primary

pathogens on the scene shortly after death and how fast do they begin the

decomposing process thereafter? What is it that prevents these primary

decomposers from doing the same thing while we are still living? And as we

are weakening physically and chemically with age, are these microbes not at

work in this same decomposing process, but subject to the protective

activities of the body? The answers to these questions are already available

in the " new frontier " of molecular science. Remember, from the foods you eat

to the drinks you drink, and the perfumes you wear and the cleaning products

you clean with-- and the air you breathe, molds and yeasts, many varients

that are pathogenic have constantly entered and been excreted daily from

your body. The saving grace in all of this is that these microbes do not

become decomposers until your body chemically indicates that you are ready

for their " opportunistic " activity. Remember also that all of disease is a

reaction to some form of intrusion.

Thank you.

Respectfully,

Doug Haney

>From: " who " <jeaninem660@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [] Re: Long Term Effects of Mold

>Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:51:30 -0000

>

>---I dont think it has anything to do with age. I think its soley

>based on the amounts of mycotoxins you breath and for how long you

>breath them and how much damage it does to your organs before you get

>out. after you get out, weather you get proper medical help and find

>a way to detox fast may help stop the toxins from doing more damage,

>but your body also on its own will regain a certain amount of trying

>to detox these toxins too, and how well it is able to do this

>possably depends on the damage you have, and advoidence. can any of

>you say that any herbs or medicenes have made you recover? I just

>fell that my body has been through enough without adding a bunch of

>other things to my system for my body to work hardier to rid. I may

>try milk thisle,but I have to say that I worry about some people that

>are trying so many things, aren't you worried about the extra stress

>on your body to rid itself of these

>things?

>

> In ,

>LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

> >

> > I think that the only good answer would be that the situation varies

> > quite a bit from person to person. There are no simplistic answers.

> >

> > Also, as is the situation with alcoholics, I think that the most

> > dramatic and debilitating aspect of mold-related insults might not

> > show up much until a person hit their 50s or 60s, because when we

>are

> > younger, our brains have a lot of excess capacity that most of us

> > don't use.. So people with 'mild' brain injuries often deteriorate

> > much faster when they hit 65 or so.. these subtle issues often first

> > show up as word finding difficulties and coordination problems..

> >

>

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April 29, 2006

We had a guy out yesterday to insulate some duct

work for us. I was telling him about mold, and how

dangerous it was, and that it might make you sick, etc..

He laughed and said, " Yeah, we used to clean out

cooling towers for power plants. We'd go in with

snow shovels and shovel out mold three feet thick ! "

My goodness, I said. Did you get sick?

" Sickern hell " , he replied, " We'd go home

and sweat and throw up. "

He said this in the tone of someone fondly

remenissing about their frat party hazeing.

The guy was mid 40's, and just bursting with

energy. Some people are truely amazing.

Zippy

April 29, 2006

---Hi doug haney, always nice to hear your views. I should not have

said that age has nothing to do with it, as I do realize that

molds/mycotoxins would effect you more if you are older or even

younger,as in a child. and if your already sickly ,immune

compromized. I also realize that as I age the effects of what this

exposure has done will no dought effect me. I also realize from

seeing with my own eyes, a older friend with lung canser drop to the

floor as the mold in my home attacked him instantly. if thats a sign

of how irritants will effect me when Im older,and sicker, it wont be

fun, thats for sure.

sorry quackadillin, I think what i was thinking about was that in

comparision to being exposed, and during exposure, at what ever age,

and how I was at the point that I thought I was dying, could not

possably compare with the effects of being out of exposure in my

older age. I hope this is true, because I never want to have to deal

with that kind of pain again. I really dont even want to think about

it now. you are right about acoholics in that when theri older, theri

drinking catches up with them. I guess I really dont want to think

that toxin exposure will cause this with me, and it wasn't even fun

at the

time.

In , "

Haney " <_Haney52@...> wrote:

>

> As a scientist studying microbiology and involved in molecular

science over

> the past 20 years, I will respect your ability to think or believe

anything

> you wish to, but as a scientist I will tell you based upon the

prevailing

> scientific evidence aging is the " primary " degenerating genetic and

> metabolic factor behind illnesses inwhich decomposing pathogenic

micro fungi

> and their excreted mycotoxins are involved. Your hypothesis might

be more

> correct in illnesses inwhich invading gram-negative bacteria and

pathogenic

> viruses are involved. However, because micro fungi biochemically

operate as

> a reactive consequence of genetic change and are " the " primary

decomposers

> and work much more subtly than the other organisms mentioned, I

differ with

> your assessments. The other implications of pathogenic micro fungi

in

> disrupting activity within the human biosphere is that our immune

system is

> very closely related to similarity to fungus as opposed to our own

human

> cells. As the human body begins to age genetically and chemically

metabolism

> begins to change and slow down, and in effect weaken as aging

progresses.

> Here is a question to ponder. Why is it that micro fungi are the

primary

> pathogens on the scene shortly after death and how fast do they

begin the

> decomposing process thereafter? What is it that prevents these

primary

> decomposers from doing the same thing while we are still living?

And as we

> are weakening physically and chemically with age, are these

microbes not at

> work in this same decomposing process, but subject to the

protective

> activities of the body? The answers to these questions are already

available

> in the " new frontier " of molecular science. Remember, from the

foods you eat

> to the drinks you drink, and the perfumes you wear and the cleaning

products

> you clean with-- and the air you breathe, molds and yeasts, many

varients

> that are pathogenic have constantly entered and been excreted daily

from

> your body. The saving grace in all of this is that these microbes

do not

> become decomposers until your body chemically indicates that you

are ready

> for their " opportunistic " activity. Remember also that all of

disease is a

> reaction to some form of intrusion.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Respectfully,

>

> Doug Haney

>

> >From: " who " <jeaninem660@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: [] Re: Long Term Effects of Mold

> >Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:51:30 -0000

> >

> >---I dont think it has anything to do with age. I think its soley

> >based on the amounts of mycotoxins you breath and for how long you

> >breath them and how much damage it does to your organs before you

get

> >out. after you get out, weather you get proper medical help and

find

> >a way to detox fast may help stop the toxins from doing more

damage,

> >but your body also on its own will regain a certain amount of

trying

> >to detox these toxins too, and how well it is able to do this

> >possably depends on the damage you have, and advoidence. can any of

> >you say that any herbs or medicenes have made you recover? I just

> >fell that my body has been through enough without adding a bunch of

> >other things to my system for my body to work hardier to rid. I may

> >try milk thisle,but I have to say that I worry about some people

that

> >are trying so many things, aren't you worried about the extra

stress

> >on your body to rid itself of these

> >things?

> >

> > In ,

> >LiveSimply <quackadillian@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I think that the only good answer would be that the situation

varies

> > > quite a bit from person to person. There are no simplistic

answers.

> > >

> > > Also, as is the situation with alcoholics, I think that the most

> > > dramatic and debilitating aspect of mold-related insults might

not

> > > show up much until a person hit their 50s or 60s, because when

we

> >are

> > > younger, our brains have a lot of excess capacity that most of

us

> > > don't use.. So people with 'mild' brain injuries often

deteriorate

> > > much faster when they hit 65 or so.. these subtle issues often

first

> > > show up as word finding difficulties and coordination problems..

> > >

> >

>

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April 29, 2006

This is what comedian Bill Maher always quots from Louie Pasteur

(?), that he agrees with, that disease has to do with the terrain,

not the microbe.

I can believe that. My immune system was suppressed by some

medicine I was on and same year my immune system took a hit from

inhaling some lead paint dust while using an electric sander on lead

paint, and then the mold in the house. But now that I am sick, do I

just have to die?, or is there something I can do?

I had a 'bit' of cancer that was caught early and surgically

removed. The very same month that was discovered, I tested positive

to Epstein Barr virus. I've tested positive for the third time to

EBV, so I've had it for two years.

All my relation lived to 90 or over. I'm only half way there and

have all this. As for your point, I lived in this somewhat moldy

house since 1990 without any problem until I was put on the Rx

drug.

I'm taking ALA now to try to detox from lead and also neurotoxins

which were found in my urine, and making improvements in the house

and my body health.

However on the other hand, isn't the terrain affected by the

environment?

>>

> As a scientist studying microbiology and involved in molecular

science over

> the past 20 years, I will respect your ability to think or believe

anything

> you wish to,

April 30, 2006

I think that as we age, there is a process called glycation that in

essence, results in the creation of unwanted chemical bonds all around

your body in something resembling carmelization or 'cooking' of your

'meat'. This increases the intrinsic level of inflammation in your

body and its one of the reasons people increasingly 'look old'. (loss

of skin elasticity and glycation)

It also makes your arteries stiff (increasing blood pressure) and your

eyes less flexible (requiring many people to wear bifocals)

Its my understanding that one of the many mechanisms by which many

toxins, including mycotoxins work is by generation of reactive oxygen

species, which acellerates this process.

Anything we can do to reduce systemic inflammantion is good, and prolongs life.

April 30, 2006

This reminds me is anyone on Lipitor to reduce inflamation? This is

an off lable use of medicine I believe. If so, email me off list to

discuss.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Anything we can do to reduce systemic inflammantion is good, and

prolongs life.

>

April 30, 2006

I am on trental to reduce inflammation btw..

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf

Of barb1283

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 11:58 AM

Subject: [] Re: Long Term Effects of

Mold

* This reminds me is anyone on Lipitor to

reduce inflamation? This is

an off lable use of medicine I believe. If so,

email me off list to

discuss.

--- In , LiveSimply

<quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Anything we can do to reduce systemic

inflammantion is good, and

prolongs life.

>

_____

April 30, 2006

Good post. Sadly, that was exactly what I took away from

reading the Life Extension's articles on glycation.

When you start to get a little inflammation, like arthritis,

it really scares the **** out of you to think that this is

true get older.

Somebody bring me a plate of stem cells.... Please.

Zippy

---------------------------------------------------------

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> I think that as we age, there is a process called glycation that in

> essence, results in the creation of unwanted chemical bonds all

around

> your body in something resembling carmelization or 'cooking' of your

> 'meat'. This increases the intrinsic level of inflammation in your

> body and its one of the reasons people increasingly 'look old'.

(loss

> of skin elasticity and glycation)

>

> It also makes your arteries stiff (increasing blood pressure) and

your

> eyes less flexible (requiring many people to wear bifocals)

>

> Its my understanding that one of the many mechanisms by which many

> toxins, including mycotoxins work is by generation of reactive

oxygen

> species, which acellerates this process.

>

> Anything we can do to reduce systemic inflammantion is good, and

prolongs life.

>

May 13, 2006

,

Where in Colorado are you? I'm a consultant in Denver and may be able

to help with some info upfront without cost.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

720-272-1023

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