Re: {Spam?} two media events

[Guest guest]

I am extremely concerned about the issues facing health visiting at the

present time. I am in the unpleasant situation this year of having 20

students due to complete the course in July, most of which will be without

jobs. This is unprecedented, and I would like to know if the CPHVA intends

to raise this with the government as I am sure that there are many other

soon to be qualified HVs in the same position. I am meeting with my students

to consider a way forward, but I feel that we need to raise public awareness

about the issue. I am glad that these media events are taking place, but

feel very let down by a government who has acknowledged the value of health

visiting in a range of documents. We are considering writing to local MPs

and organising some event at No. 10, but also feel that the CPHVA should be

taking a stronger lead on the issue. Well done , and hope it goes well.

Regards,

{Spam?} two media events

The CPHVA have just announced two media events:

Amicus/CPHVA Director, Reay and one of the UK's experts on health

visiting, Professor Cowley will be interviewed on BBC Four's You

and Yours programme between 12 noon -1.00pm tomorrow, (Wednesday, 17

May) on the crisis facing the health visiting profession.

Channel Four News tomorrow (Wednesday, 17 May) will be screening a

report on the potential takeover of a Derbyshire GP practice by an

American multi-national, which could have drastic implications for

Amicus Health members and the public at large.

[Guest guest]

Really saddened to hear your news , particularly for the students.

It is proving a real challenge to turn around the current very unhelpful

jugganaut but Amicus-CPHVA are certainly doing their best and I think were the

first union to raise the cuts publically last Summer. Have a look at our

website, health sector section on the right for an idea of the scale of the

activity. We have also now lobbied Parliament twice, last week with the RCN and

Unison but interestingly it didn't make the TV news! We have had many meetings

with MPs and the SoS's advisors. Yesterday I wrote to the Guardian re the

potential effects of the cuts on detecting PND and supporting families. We will

keep the pressure up until we see the results we need.

All evidence of cuts, frozen posts, reductions in student places etc is very

helpful so please share it if you can, place but no names necessary. MPs do

need to be lobbied, it can be powerful coming from local practitioners as in a

sense they have a 'duty of care' to you!

Do hope your appearance goes well .

Best wishes

Cheryll

________________________________

From: on behalf of Crome

Sent: Tue 16/05/2006 15:20

Cc: Cowley

Subject: Re: {Spam?} two media events

I am extremely concerned about the issues facing health visiting at the

present time. I am in the unpleasant situation this year of having 20

students due to complete the course in July, most of which will be without

jobs. This is unprecedented, and I would like to know if the CPHVA intends

to raise this with the government as I am sure that there are many other

soon to be qualified HVs in the same position. I am meeting with my students

to consider a way forward, but I feel that we need to raise public awareness

about the issue. I am glad that these media events are taking place, but

feel very let down by a government who has acknowledged the value of health

visiting in a range of documents. We are considering writing to local MPs

and organising some event at No. 10, but also feel that the CPHVA should be

taking a stronger lead on the issue. Well done , and hope it goes well.

Regards,

{Spam?} two media events

The CPHVA have just announced two media events:

Amicus/CPHVA Director, Reay and one of the UK's experts on health

visiting, Professor Cowley will be interviewed on BBC Four's You

and Yours programme between 12 noon -1.00pm tomorrow, (Wednesday, 17

May) on the crisis facing the health visiting profession.

Channel Four News tomorrow (Wednesday, 17 May) will be screening a

report on the potential takeover of a Derbyshire GP practice by an

American multi-national, which could have drastic implications for

Amicus Health members and the public at large.

[Guest guest]

This is so interesting - I have not time to put much on at present

but am told on good authority that the new Working Together has written

health visiting out although it still includes school nurisg.

Has anyone any info on this

Margaret

Re: {Spam?} two media events

I am extremely concerned about the issues facing health visiting at the

present time. I am in the unpleasant situation this year of having 20

students due to complete the course in July, most of which will be without

jobs. This is unprecedented, and I would like to know if the CPHVA intends

to raise this with the government as I am sure that there are many other

soon to be qualified HVs in the same position. I am meeting with my students

to consider a way forward, but I feel that we need to raise public awareness

about the issue. I am glad that these media events are taking place, but

feel very let down by a government who has acknowledged the value of health

visiting in a range of documents. We are considering writing to local MPs

and organising some event at No. 10, but also feel that the CPHVA should be

taking a stronger lead on the issue. Well done , and hope it goes well.

Regards,

{Spam?} two media events

The CPHVA have just announced two media events:

Amicus/CPHVA Director, Reay and one of the UK's experts on health

visiting, Professor Cowley will be interviewed on BBC Four's You

and Yours programme between 12 noon -1.00pm tomorrow, (Wednesday, 17

May) on the crisis facing the health visiting profession.

Channel Four News tomorrow (Wednesday, 17 May) will be screening a

report on the potential takeover of a Derbyshire GP practice by an

American multi-national, which could have drastic implications for

Amicus Health members and the public at large.

[Guest guest]

This is certainly bad news, . Like Cheryll, I would encourage you

and your students to lobby local MPs, and agree that CPHVA should help

and support with this. I expect they would be delighted to get the

information to feed into the campaign they are currently running. In

January, I met with Simon Burns, the local Chelmsford MP, as part of the

parliamentary lobby that Cheryll mentioned. He is on the health select

committee, and was very clued in about local services and the NHS

generally, although not about health visiting in particular, and did

seem genuinely interested to hear about what was happening. I only had

personal 'lay' experience (sometimes the best for MPs) of where I lived,

so it would be good to get in there armed with facts and figures.

Two hints. First, if the MP is in opposition, they want ammunition to

fire at the government, so they are always pleased to hear about

problems they can lay at the door of ministers, but information needs to

stand up to scrutiny and be completely accurate; if the MP is in

government, they want you to know about government policies and

intentions, and to believe you are trying to support their overall

plans/vision, if only it wasn't for the particular problem you want them

to change

Second, it is always better to talk about services than professions; you

can talk about the foolishness of students qualifying and not having

jobs as a primary concern (it is, of course, a personal tragedy), but

put it in the context of one in five health visitors nationally are over

the retirement age of 55 years, find out local numbers, services being

reduced because insufficient to provide the support that is needed etc;

and then you can sock it to them about this nonsense and waste of

students not being employed!

Forgive me if I am 'teaching grannies to suck eggs,' as it were: we all

know about the 'influence on policies affecting health' as one of our

primary principles and maybe we all need to get out there and do our

bit. Good luck, , and best wishes to your students at this

difficult time.

Crome wrote:

>I am extremely concerned about the issues facing health visiting at the

>present time. I am in the unpleasant situation this year of having 20

>students due to complete the course in July, most of which will be without

>jobs. This is unprecedented, and I would like to know if the CPHVA intends

>to raise this with the government as I am sure that there are many other

>soon to be qualified HVs in the same position. I am meeting with my students

>to consider a way forward, but I feel that we need to raise public awareness

>about the issue. I am glad that these media events are taking place, but

>feel very let down by a government who has acknowledged the value of health

>visiting in a range of documents. We are considering writing to local MPs

>and organising some event at No. 10, but also feel that the CPHVA should be

>taking a stronger lead on the issue. Well done , and hope it goes well.

>

>Regards,

>

>

> {Spam?} two media events

>

>

>The CPHVA have just announced two media events:

>

>Amicus/CPHVA Director, Reay and one of the UK's experts on health

>visiting, Professor Cowley will be interviewed on BBC Four's You

>and Yours programme between 12 noon -1.00pm tomorrow, (Wednesday, 17

>May) on the crisis facing the health visiting profession.

>

>Channel Four News tomorrow (Wednesday, 17 May) will be screening a

>report on the potential takeover of a Derbyshire GP practice by an

>American multi-national, which could have drastic implications for

>Amicus Health members and the public at large.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Margaret, I think your informant may have been referring the 'health'

section of the every child matters website, which (I think) shows a

very limited view of what constitutes 'health,' but it is presumably

meant to mean 'activities that schools and the health sector

collaborate on'.

http://www.everychildmatters.gov.uk/health/

There are separate links/pages for six topics: healthy schools,

substance misuse, teenage pregnancy, national health service, obesity

and school nurses. best wishes

Margaret

Buttigieg wrote

This is so interesting - I have not time to put much on at present

but am told on good authority that the new Working Together has written

health visiting out although it still includes school nurisg.

Has anyone any info on this

Margaret

[Guest guest]

No it would not have been - she is a designated nurse for child proteciton and was referring to the new Working Together document and commenting on how it had changed following the consultation and was no longer so clear about the role of the health visitor - this is comeone who has worked in child prteciton for over 10 years and has seen how in the DH documents the role and perception of what HVs do has changed a lot. It is important to them as they have to work with the HV and ensure management sees their role.

Margaret

Re: {Spam?} two media events

Margaret, I think your informant may have been referring the 'health' section of the every child matters website, which (I think) shows a very limited view of what constitutes 'health,' but it is presumably meant to mean 'activities that schools and the health sector collaborate on'.http://www.everychildmatters.gov.uk/health/There are separate links/pages for six topics: healthy schools, substance misuse, teenage pregnancy, national health service, obesity and school nurses. best wishes <>Margaret Buttigieg wrote<> This is so interesting - I have not time to put much on at present

but am told on good authority that the new Working Together has written

health visiting out although it still includes school nurisg.

Has anyone any info on this

Margaret

[Guest guest]

No it would not have been - she is a designated nurse for child proteciton and was referring to the new Working Together document and commenting on how it had changed following the consultation and was no longer so clear about the role of the health visitor - this is comeone who has worked in child prteciton for over 10 years and has seen how in the DH documents the role and perception of what HVs do has changed a lot. It is important to them as they have to work with the HV and ensure management sees their role.

Margaret

Re: {Spam?} two media events

Margaret, I think your informant may have been referring the 'health' section of the every child matters website, which (I think) shows a very limited view of what constitutes 'health,' but it is presumably meant to mean 'activities that schools and the health sector collaborate on'.http://www.everychildmatters.gov.uk/health/There are separate links/pages for six topics: healthy schools, substance misuse, teenage pregnancy, national health service, obesity and school nurses. best wishes <>Margaret Buttigieg wrote<> This is so interesting - I have not time to put much on at present

but am told on good authority that the new Working Together has written

health visiting out although it still includes school nurisg.

Has anyone any info on this

Margaret

[Guest guest]

I agree with her there, Margaret, but of course that is a legislative

issue. Wherever the term 'health visitor' used to be used with a

specific meaning (ie, someone on the old health visting register) they

are now having to just refer to nurses. There is no longer an official

health visiting qualification in law, so it is not possible to specfy

very closely, or at all in legal documents.

Margaret Buttigieg wrote:

No it would not have been - she is a designated nurse for child

proteciton and was referring to the new Working Together document and

commenting on how it had changed following the consultation and was no

longer so clear about the role of the health visitor - this is comeone

who has worked in child prteciton for over 10 years and has seen how in

the DH documents the role and perception of what HVs do has changed a

lot. It is important to them as they have to work with the HV and

ensure management sees their role.

Margaret

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Original Message -----

From:

Cowley

To:

Sent:

Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:43 AM

Subject:

Re: {Spam?} two media events

Margaret, I think your informant may have been referring the 'health'

section of the every child matters website, which (I think) shows a

very limited view of what constitutes 'health,' but it is presumably

meant to mean 'activities that schools and the health sector

collaborate on'.

http://www.everychildmatters.gov.uk/health/

There are separate links/pages for six topics: healthy schools,

substance misuse, teenage pregnancy, national health service, obesity

and school nurses. best wishes

<>Margaret Buttigieg wrote<>

This is so interesting - I have not time to put much on at present

but am told on good authority that the new Working Together has written

health visiting out although it still includes school nurisg.

Has anyone any info on this

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret,

I have been through the new Working Together Guidance

(2006) and would support what your colleague is

saying, as the health visitor role has been subsumed

under a section subtitled 'Universal services –

General Practitioner, the Primary Health Care Team,

practice employed staff and school nurses'. There is

also a small mention of HVs work with families during

pregnancy under the section on 'maternity services'.

While school nurses’ skills and knowledge of child

health and development are highlighted, this revised

document no longer explicitly states that health

visitors provide a universal service, nor mentions HVs

expertise in assessing and monitoring child health and

development, and in supporting families.

There is an update on this new guidance in the

forthcoming edition of Community Practitioner (June)

and these points have been raised.

Kind regards,

Jane.

--- Margaret Buttigieg

<margaret@...> wrote:

> No it would not have been - she is a designated

> nurse for child proteciton and was referring to the

> new Working Together document and commenting on how

> it had changed following the consultation and was no

> longer so clear about the role of the health visitor

> - this is comeone who has worked in child prteciton

> for over 10 years and has seen how in the DH

> documents the role and perception of what HVs do has

> changed a lot. It is important to them as they have

> to work with the HV and ensure management sees their

> role.

>

> Margaret

> Re: {Spam?} two media

> events

>

>

> Margaret, I think your informant may have been

> referring the 'health' section of the every child

> matters website, which (I think) shows a very

> limited view of what constitutes 'health,' but it

> is presumably meant to mean 'activities that schools

> and the health sector collaborate on'.

>

> http://www.everychildmatters.gov.uk/health/

>

> There are separate links/pages for six topics:

> healthy schools, substance misuse, teenage

> pregnancy, national health service, obesity and

> school nurses. best wishes

>

>

>

> <>Margaret Buttigieg wrote<>

> This is so interesting - I have not time to

> put much on at present

> but am told on good authority that the new Working

> Together has written

> health visiting out although it still includes

> school nurisg.

>

> Has anyone any info on this

>

> Margaret

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jane - I am going to email Maddie Blackburn at the Health Commission

who I expect you know leads on the children services agenda, and see if I

can meet with her to discuss some of this as I am finding the expectaion on

helath visitors and school nurses in practice is very skewed to child

proteciton at present and I think we need policy suppoprt for soem of what

is expected.

Look forward to seeing the article.

Margaret

Re: {Spam?} two media

>> events

>>

>>

>> Margaret, I think your informant may have been

>> referring the 'health' section of the every child

>> matters website, which (I think) shows a very

>> limited view of what constitutes 'health,' but it

>> is presumably meant to mean 'activities that schools

>> and the health sector collaborate on'.

>>

>> http://www.everychildmatters.gov.uk/health/

>>

>> There are separate links/pages for six topics:

>> healthy schools, substance misuse, teenage

>> pregnancy, national health service, obesity and

>> school nurses. best wishes

>>

>>

>>

>> <>Margaret Buttigieg wrote<>

>> This is so interesting - I have not time to

>> put much on at present

>> but am told on good authority that the new Working

>> Together has written

>> health visiting out although it still includes

>> school nurisg.

>>

>> Has anyone any info on this

>>

>> Margaret

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jane; do you mean the points have been raised in the article

(look forward to reading it), or have been raised with policy

makers/those who wrote the guidance? Interesting to speculate whether

the omissions are conspiracy or c___-up!

jane appleton wrote:

Hi Margaret,

I have been through the new Working Together Guidance

(2006) and would support what your colleague is

saying, as the health visitor role has been subsumed

under a section subtitled 'Universal services –

General Practitioner, the Primary Health Care Team,

practice employed staff and school nurses'. There is

also a small mention of HVs work with families during

pregnancy under the section on 'maternity services'.

While school nurses’ skills and knowledge of child

health and development are highlighted, this revised

document no longer explicitly states that health

visitors provide a universal service, nor mentions HVs

expertise in assessing and monitoring child health and

development, and in supporting families.

There is an update on this new guidance in the

forthcoming edition of Community Practitioner (June)

and these points have been raised.

Kind regards,

Jane. --- Margaret Buttigieg

<margaret@...> wrote:

No it would not have been - she is a designated

nurse for child proteciton and was referring to the

new Working Together document and commenting on how

it had changed following the consultation and was no

longer so clear about the role of the health visitor

- this is comeone who has worked in child prteciton

for over 10 years and has seen how in the DH

documents the role and perception of what HVs do has

changed a lot. It is important to them as they have

to work with the HV and ensure management sees their

role.

Margaret

Re: {Spam?} two media

events

Margaret, I think your informant may have been

referring the 'health' section of the every child

matters website, which (I think) shows a very

limited view of what constitutes 'health,' but it

is presumably meant to mean 'activities that schools

and the health sector collaborate on'.

http://www.everychildmatters.gov.uk/health/

There are separate links/pages for six topics: healthy schools, substance misuse, teenage

pregnancy, national health service, obesity and

school nurses. best wishes

<>Margaret Buttigieg wrote<> This is so interesting - I have not time to

put much on at present

but am told on good authority that the new Working

Together has written

health visiting out although it still includes

school nurisg.

Has anyone any info on this

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Raised i.e. pointed out in the article.

Bw,

Jane.

--- Cowley <sarah@...>

wrote:

> Thanks Jane; do you mean the points have been raised

> in the article

> (look forward to reading it), or have been raised

> with policy

> makers/those who wrote the guidance? Interesting to

> speculate whether

> the omissions are conspiracy or c___-up!

>

> jane appleton wrote:

>

> >Hi Margaret,

> >I have been through the new Working Together

> Guidance

> >(2006) and would support what your colleague is

> >saying, as the health visitor role has been

> subsumed

> >under a section subtitled 'Universal services -

> >General Practitioner, the Primary Health Care Team,

> >practice employed staff and school nurses'. There

> is

> >also a small mention of HVs work with families

> during

> >pregnancy under the section on 'maternity

> services'.

> >While school nurses' skills and knowledge of child

> >health and development are highlighted, this

> revised

> >document no longer explicitly states that health

> >visitors provide a universal service, nor mentions

> HVs

> >expertise in assessing and monitoring child health

> and

> >development, and in supporting families.

> >There is an update on this new guidance in the

> >forthcoming edition of Community Practitioner

> (June)

> >and these points have been raised.

> >

> >Kind regards,

> >

> >Jane.

> >

> >--- Margaret Buttigieg

> ><margaret@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >>No it would not have been - she is a designated

> >>nurse for child proteciton and was referring to

> the

> >>new Working Together document and commenting on

> how

> >>it had changed following the consultation and was

> no

> >>longer so clear about the role of the health

> visitor

> >>- this is comeone who has worked in child

> prteciton

> >>for over 10 years and has seen how in the DH

> >>documents the role and perception of what HVs do

> has

> >>changed a lot. It is important to them as they

> have

> >>to work with the HV and ensure management sees

> their

> >>role.

> >>

> >>Margaret

> >> Re: {Spam?} two media

> >>events

> >>

> >>

> >> Margaret, I think your informant may have been

> >>referring the 'health' section of the every child

> >>matters website, which (I think) shows a very

> >>limited view of what constitutes 'health,' but it

> >>is presumably meant to mean 'activities that

> schools

> >>and the health sector collaborate on'.

> >>

> >> http://www.everychildmatters.gov.uk/health/

> >>

> >> There are separate links/pages for six topics:

> >>healthy schools, substance misuse, teenage

> >>pregnancy, national health service, obesity and

> >>school nurses. best wishes

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> <>Margaret Buttigieg wrote<>

> >>This is so interesting - I have not time to

> >>put much on at present

> >>but am told on good authority that the new Working

> >>Together has written

> >>health visiting out although it still includes

> >>school nurisg.

> >>

> >>Has anyone any info on this

> >>

> >>Margaret

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

What is the CPHVA going to do about this. If they have really rediscovered

the interests of their members let us see what they do to reverse this. mary

Re: {Spam?} two media

>> events

>>

>>

>> Margaret, I think your informant may have been

>> referring the 'health' section of the every child

>> matters website, which (I think) shows a very

>> limited view of what constitutes 'health,' but it

>> is presumably meant to mean 'activities that schools

>> and the health sector collaborate on'.

>>

>> http://www.everychildmatters.gov.uk/health/

>>

>> There are separate links/pages for six topics:

>> healthy schools, substance misuse, teenage

>> pregnancy, national health service, obesity and

>> school nurses. best wishes

>>

>>

>>

>> <>Margaret Buttigieg wrote<>

>> This is so interesting - I have not time to

>> put much on at present

>> but am told on good authority that the new Working

>> Together has written

>> health visiting out although it still includes

>> school nurisg.

>>

>> Has anyone any info on this

>>

>> Margaret

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jane. best wishes

jane appleton wrote:

Raised i.e. pointed out in the article.

Bw,

Jane.

--- Cowley <sarah@...>

wrote:

Thanks Jane; do you mean the points have been raised

in the article (look forward to reading it), or have been raised

with policy makers/those who wrote the guidance? Interesting to

speculate whether the omissions are conspiracy or c___-up!

jane appleton wrote:

Hi Margaret,

I have been through the new Working Together

Guidance

(2006) and would support what your colleague is

saying, as the health visitor role has been

subsumed

under a section subtitled 'Universal services -

General Practitioner, the Primary Health Care Team,

practice employed staff and school nurses'. There

is

also a small mention of HVs work with families

during

pregnancy under the section on 'maternity

services'.

While school nurses' skills and knowledge of child

health and development are highlighted, this

revised

document no longer explicitly states that health

visitors provide a universal service, nor mentions

HVs

expertise in assessing and monitoring child health

and

development, and in supporting families.

There is an update on this new guidance in the

forthcoming edition of Community Practitioner

(June)

and these points have been raised.

Kind regards,

Jane. --- Margaret Buttigieg

<margaret@...> wrote:

No it would not have been - she is a designated

nurse for child proteciton and was referring to

the

new Working Together document and commenting on

how

it had changed following the consultation and was

no

longer so clear about the role of the health

visitor

- this is comeone who has worked in child

prteciton

for over 10 years and has seen how in the DH

documents the role and perception of what HVs do

has

changed a lot. It is important to them as they

have

to work with the HV and ensure management sees

their

role.

Margaret

Re: {Spam?} two media

events

Margaret, I think your informant may have been

referring the 'health' section of the every child

matters website, which (I think) shows a very

limited view of what constitutes 'health,' but it

is presumably meant to mean 'activities that

schools

and the health sector collaborate on'.

http://www.everychildmatters.gov.uk/health/

There are separate links/pages for six topics: healthy schools, substance misuse, teenage

pregnancy, national health service, obesity and

school nurses. best wishes

<>Margaret Buttigieg wrote<> This is so interesting - I have not time to

put much on at present

but am told on good authority that the new Working

Together has written

health visiting out although it still includes

school nurisg.

Has anyone any info on this

Margaret

[Guest guest]

We have in Oxfordshire a reduced number of HV students this year(6) and none next year... all that is offered to our students is a band 5, probably the same as a newly qualified staff nurse. We have rigid vacancy control here, and the students feel abandoned, has anyone any ideas?

Caroline (Oxfordshire CPHVA)

{Spam?} two media eventsThe CPHVA have just announced two media events:Amicus/CPHVA Director, Reay and one of the UK's experts on healthvisiting, Professor Cowley will be interviewed on BBC Four's Youand Yours programme between 12 noon -1.00pm tomorrow, (Wednesday, 17May) on the crisis facing the health visiting profession.Channel Four News tomorrow (Wednesday, 17 May) will be screening areport on the potential takeover of a Derbyshire GP practice by anAmerican multi-national, which could have drastic implications forAmicus Health members and the public at large.

[Guest guest]

I try not to wear my CPHVA hat on Sennate but...

's students wrote to us at CPHVA and to Tony Blair

Press releases have gone out, Look East took it up and they were on local news tonight

CPHVA are campaigning about reduction in jobs, training places and more

I have no illusions that that will make it all better but we need to keep up the momentum but this is difficult when we have few hard facts.

A phone call may give us part of the jigsaw which we can use . I am sure the other professional organisations/ unions are l likely to take a similar view

Do phone in number is in the journal and ask for one of the professional officers

Val Thurtle

{Spam?} two media eventsThe CPHVA have just announced two media events:Amicus/CPHVA Director, Reay and one of the UK's experts on healthvisiting, Professor Cowley will be interviewed on BBC Four's Youand Yours programme between 12 noon -1.00pm tomorrow, (Wednesday, 17May) on the crisis facing the health visiting profession.Channel Four News tomorrow (Wednesday, 17 May) will be screening areport on the potential takeover of a Derbyshire GP practice by anAmerican multi-national, which could have drastic implications forAmicus Health members and the public at large.

[Guest guest]

I have a piece of evidence that may help the CPHVA which I was going to talk to Cheryl about-I haven't done so yet as I am trying to track down the social worker who made the comment to see if she would be happy to have her comments in the public domain.

The gist of it is that every quarter all the agencies and the named nurse examine the child protection abstracts to identify trends and in one part of the county where they have made big cuts in the HV service the number of children on the CP register have shot up. This social worker attributed the rise as a direct result to the cuts in the HV service as HV's where not out there supporting or monitoring families.

Evidence like this from other professions is very powerful and could be key in helping to fight the cuts. It's gratifying to know that other services are beginning to feel the effects of the cuts in the HV service as that is evidence of the hard work that HV's do which is often difficult to prove. If this trend is being noticed in Hampshire I'm sure it must be beginning to be felt in other parts of the country where HV services have been decimated.

I am still trying to get a name of this Social worker I know which office she works in-I am on the case.

Hope this is useful

Best wishes

Maggie

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Yippee, thanks for that. Can I also introduce you to Dr 's paper for the Adlerian Society Year Book which actively acknowledges health visitors' contribution to the mental health of children and young people in tackling social inclusion. Robyn Pound M.Rigler@... wrote: Dear Maggie Further evidence of the value of Health Visitors. BMJ VOLUME 332 24 June 2006 page 1476Effects of Sure Start local programmes on children and families.Research report jointly

from Institute for the Study of Children,Families and Social Issues ,Birkbeck University of London and MRC Social and Public Health Sciences Unit, University of GLasgow. Some quotes from the paper: ""Programmes led by health services seem to be more effective than programmes led by other agencies, probably because of better access to children and established health visitor networks"."Community participation is central to the mission of these programmes". "Health led programmes resulted in greater involvement of fathers of children aged 9 months than local authority led programmes". Of great interest one reads:"Children from relatively more socially deprived families ( teenage mother, lone parents, workless households ) were adversely affected by living in programme areas" i.e. a key argument for universal service. However the overall conclusion of the paper read:

"....the study indicates that health visitor led SSLPs (sure start local programmes) appear more effectivethan those led by other agencies, and that improving parenting is one of the mechanisms by which SSLPs promote child wellbeing". The research was funded by The Dept for Education and Skills (DfES).Remember :"You read this first on SENATE" Best wishes,Malcolm Dr Malcolm Rigler GP with Special Interest in Public Healthm.rigler@... On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:53 , Maggie Fisher <mfisher2241@...> sent: I have a piece of evidence that may help the CPHVA which I was going to talk to Cheryl about-I haven't done so yet as I am trying to track down the social worker who made the

comment to see if she would be happy to have her comments in the public domain. The gist of it is that every quarter all the agencies and the named nurse examine the child protection abstracts to identify trends and in one part of the county where they have made big cuts in the HV service the number of children on the CP register have shot up. This social worker attributed the rise as a direct result to the cuts in the HV service as HV's where not out there supporting or monitoring families. Evidence like this from other professions is very powerful and could be key in helping to fight the cuts. It's gratifying to know that other services are beginning to feel the effects of the cuts in the HV service as that is evidence of the hard work that HV's do which is often difficult to prove. If this trend is

being noticed in Hampshire I'm sure it must be beginning to be felt in other parts of the country where HV services have been decimated. I am still trying to get a name of this Social worker I know which office she works in-I am on the case. Hope this is useful Best wishes Maggie {Spam?}

two media eventsThe CPHVA have just announced two media events:Amicus/CPHVA Director, Reay and one of the UK's experts on healthvisiting, Professor Cowley will be interviewed on BBC Four's Youand Yours programme between 12 noon -1.00pm tomorrow, (Wednesday, 17May) on the crisis facing the health visiting profession.Channel Four News tomorrow (Wednesday, 17 May) will be screening areport on the potential takeover of a Derbyshire GP practice by anAmerican multi-national, which could have drastic implications forAmicus Health members and the public at large.

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Many thanks for this Malcolm it all helps in the fight to try and retain our services within PCT's and in the wider public arena.

Best wishes

Maggie

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>>> M.Rigler@... 06/25/06 11:52 am >>>

Dear Maggie

Further evidence of the value of Health Visitors.

BMJ VOLUME 332 24 June 2006 page 1476

Effects of Sure Start local programmes on children and families.

Research report jointly from Institute for the Study of

Children,Families and Social Issues ,

Birkbeck University of London and MRC Social and Public Health

Sciences Unit, University of GLasgow.

Some quotes from the paper:

" " Programmes led by health services seem to be more effective than

programmes led by other agencies, probably because of better access to

children and established health visitor networks " .

" Community participation is central to the mission of these

programmes " .

" Health led programmes resulted in greater involvement of fathers of

children aged 9 months than local authority led programmes " .

Of great interest one reads:

" Children from relatively more socially deprived families ( teenage

mother, lone parents, workless households ) were adversely affected by

living in programme areas " i.e. a key argument for universal service.

However the overall conclusion of the paper read:

" ....the study indicates that health visitor led SSLPs (sure start

local programmes) appear more effective

than those led by other agencies, and that improving parenting is one

of the mechanisms by which SSLPs promote child wellbeing " .

The research was funded by The Dept for Education and Skills (DfES).

Remember :

" You read this first on SENATE "

Best wishes,

Malcolm

Dr Malcolm Rigler GP with Special Interest in Public Health

m.rigler@...

On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:53 , Maggie Fisher <mfisher2241@...>

sent:

I have a piece of evidence that may help the CPHVA which I was going to

talk to Cheryl about-I haven't done so yet as I am trying to track

down the social worker who made the comment to see if she would be happy

to have her comments in the public domain.

The gist of it is that every quarter all the agencies and the named

nurse examine the child protection abstracts to identify trends and in

one part of the county where they have made big cuts in the HV service

the number of children on the CP register have shot up. This social

worker attributed the rise as a direct result to the cuts in the HV

service as HV's where not out there supporting or monitoring families.

Evidence like this from other professions is very powerful and could be

key in helping to fight the cuts. It's gratifying to know that other

services are beginning to feel the effects of the cuts in the HV service

as that is evidence of the hard work that HV's do which is often

difficult to prove. If this trend is being noticed in Hampshire I'm sure

it must be beginning to be felt in other parts of the country where HV

services have been decimated.

I am still trying to get a name of this Social worker I know which

office she works in-I am on the case.

Hope this is useful

Best wishes

Maggie

{Spam?} two media events

The CPHVA have just announced two media events:

Amicus/CPHVA Director, Reay and one of the UK's experts on

health

visiting, Professor Cowley will be interviewed on BBC Four's You

and Yours programme between 12 noon -1.00pm tomorrow, (Wednesday, 17

May) on the crisis facing the health visiting profession.

Channel Four News tomorrow (Wednesday, 17 May) will be screening a

report on the potential takeover of a Derbyshire GP practice by an

American multi-national, which could have drastic implications for

Amicus Health members and the public at large.

[Guest guest]

In Enfield we are not being allowed to employ our 3 students due to

qualify in July. This will lwave us with 7 vacancies (we have also just

appointed 4 Team Managers for SN/HV all from HV team, post not being

re-filled). As local Amicus rep I tried to get the Trust to realise

they were setting these managers up to fail (Iam one of them). They

want us to be changing the way we work, set up teams of HV/SN in line

with local authority partnerships, which could be exciting, but too

much pressure on staff will mean we are managing staff sickness. Things

are more than desperate!!!!! Kathy Soderquist

Re: {Spam?} two media events

I try not to wear my CPHVA hat on Sennate but...

's students wrote to us at CPHVA and to Tony Blair

Press releases have gone out, Look East took it up and they were on

local news tonight

CPHVA are campaigning about reduction in jobs, training places and

more

I have no illusions that that will make it all better but we need to

keep up the momentum but this is difficult when we have few hard facts.

A phone call may give us part of the jigsaw which we can use . I am

sure the other professional organisations/ unions are l likely to take

a similar view

Do phone in number is in the journal and ask for one of the

professional officers

Val Thurtle

{Spam?} two media events

The CPHVA have just announced two media events:

Amicus/CPHVA Director, Reay and one of the UK's experts on health

visiting, Professor Cowley will be interviewed on BBC Four's You

and Yours programme between 12 noon -1.00pm tomorrow, (Wednesday, 17

May) on the crisis facing the health visiting profession.

Channel Four News tomorrow (Wednesday, 17 May) will be screening a

report on the potential takeover of a Derbyshire GP practice by an

American multi-national, which could have drastic implications for

Amicus Health members and the public at large.