Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 I wonder what genes these are? Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Linked to Three Genes http://www.medpagetoday.com/Neurology/GeneralNeurology/dh/3130 [Please visit the original website to view the whole article. - Mod.] By , MedPage Today Staff Writer Reviewed by Jasmer, MD; Assistant Professor of Medicine, University of California, San Francisco April 20, 2006 Also covered by: Forbes, LA Times, MSNBC, Washington Post MedPage Today Action Points * Explain to interested patients that this research effort has begun to clarify the biological basis of chromic fatigue syndrome. * Note that the studies link the syndrome with variations in genes that code for parts of the body's stress response mechanism. * Caution that the studies are still preliminary and will need to be replicated. Review ATLANTA, April 20 - Chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) has been linked to five mutations in three genes that are related to the body's ability to handle stress. " For the first time ever, we have documented that people with CFS have (variations in) certain genes that are related to those parts of brain activity that mediate the stress response, " said Reeves, M.D., director of CFS research at the CDC here. Also, people with the syndrome have differences in genetic activity levels that affect the way they respond to stress accumulated over a lifetime, Dr. Reeves said in a media telebriefing to announce 14 research papers arising from a CDC study in Wichita, Kan. The findings could lead to better diagnostic tools for the syndrome, which is often regarded as ill-defined, and to better treatments, including both cognitive and behavioral therapies and new drugs, Dr. Reeves said. .... The flurry of research papers arose from a longitudinal population-based study in Wichita, from 1997 to 2000. That study found 70 people classified as having CFS, and in 2002 and 2003, they were invited to take part in exhaustive two-day clinical and genetic evaluations. The researchers also included 55 matched controls for the 58 CFS patients who agreed to take part, as well as 59 people with fatigue symptoms who did not meet the full CFS criteria (dubbed ISF). Also, they included 55 people with either ISF or CFS and concurrent melancholic depression. The data gathered from the 227 participants, at a cost of about $2 million, included a full clinical evaluation, electrophysiologic measurements of sleep physiology, cognitive function, autonomic nervous system function, and detailed blood work that included DNA and gene activity analysis, Dr. Reeves said. .... It turned out that all four groups zeroed in on five single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) in three genes - those coding for the glucocorticoid receptor, for serotonin, and for tryptophan hydroxylase - which, she said, " are very important in the function of the HPA, which is the body's stress response system. " The effect of the variations, Dr. Reeves said, appears to be that people with them are less able to cope with stress. One of the research groups, he said, identified three distinct fatigued groups - those with extreme fatigue, those with symptoms such as heart-rate variability and cortisol disturbances, and a group that was primarily menopausal women. " The genes that Dr. Vernon mentioned distinguished the three fatigue groups from those that were not fatigued and two of those genes distinguished between the fatigue groups, " Dr. Reeves said. .... Dr. Reeves said the Wichita effort is being followed by a larger study in Georgia, which will attempt to replicate and expand on the results. = -- = -- = -- http://www.futuremedicine.com/toc/pgs/7/3 Table of Contents (Abstracts are available, full-text requires a subscription) Pharmacogenomics Apr 2006, Volume 7, Number 3 Perspective A public health approach to pharmacogenomics and gene-based diagnostic tests L , Muin J Khoury Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 331-337. Collaborative Study: chronic fatigue syndrome – Editorial The postgenomic era and complex disease J A Witkowski Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 341-343. Collaborative Study: chronic fatigue syndrome – Introduction to the study The challenge of integrating disparate high-content data: epidemiological, clinical and laboratory data collected during an in-hospital study of chronic fatigue syndrome Suzanne D Vernon, C Reeves Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 345-354. Collaborative Study: chronic fatigue syndrome – Research Report An empirical delineation of the heterogeneity of chronic unexplained fatigue in women Uté Vollmer-Conna, Aslakson, D White Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 355-364. The validity of an empirical delineation of heterogeneity in chronic unexplained fatigue Aslakson, Uté Vollmer-Conna, D White Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 365-373. Gene expression profile of empirically delineated classes of unexplained chronic fatigue Liran Carmel, Sol Efroni, D White, Aslakson, Ute Vollmer-Conna, Mangalathu S Rajeevan Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 375-386. Polymorphisms in genes regulating the HPA axis associated with empirically delineated classes of unexplained chronic fatigue K , D White, Aslakson, Ute Vollmer-Conna, Mangalathu S Rajeevan Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 387-394. Gene expression correlates of unexplained fatigue Toni Whistler, , R Cameron Craddock, Gordon Broderick, Klimas, R Unger Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 395-405. Identifying illness parameters in fatiguing syndromes using classical projection methods Gordon Broderick, R Cameron Craddock, Toni Whistler, , Klimas, R Unger Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 407-419. Exploration of statistical dependence between illness parameters using the entropy correlation coefficient R Cameron Craddock, , Gordon Broderick, Toni Whistler, Klimas, R Unger Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 421-428. Gene expression profile exploration of a large dataset on chronic fatigue syndrome Hong Fang, Qian Xie, Roumiana Boneva, Fostel, Perkins, Weida Tong Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 429-440. Exploration of the gene expression correlates of chronic unexplained fatigue using factor analysis Fostel, Roumiana Boneva, Lloyd Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 441-454. Linear data mining the Wichita clinical matrix suggests sleep and allostatic load involvement in chronic fatigue syndrome M Gurbaxani, F , N Goertzel, M Maloney Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 455-465. Chronic fatigue syndrome and high allostatic load M Maloney, M Gurbaxani, F , Lucio de Souza Coelho, Cassio Pennachin, N Goertzel Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 467-473. Combinations of single nucleotide polymorphisms in neuroendocrine effector and receptor genes predict chronic fatigue syndrome N Goertzel, Cassio Pennachin, Lucio de Souza Coelho, Gurbaxani, M Maloney, F Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 475-483. Allostatic load is associated with symptoms in chronic fatigue syndrome patients N Goertzel, Cassio Pennachin, Lucio de Souza Coelho, M Maloney, F , Gurbaxani Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 485-494. Improved prediction of treatment response using microarrays and existing biological knowledge Simon M Lin, Jyothi Devakumar, Warren A Kibbe Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 495-501. Collaborative Study: chronic fatigue syndrome – Review Interpreter of maladies: redescription mining applied to biomedical data analysis Waltman, Pearlman, Bud Mishra Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 503-509. Statistical challenges with gene expression studies Shoemaker Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 511-519. Collaborative Study: chronic fatigue syndrome – Perspective Clinical methodology and its implications for the study of therapeutic interventions for chronic fatigue syndrome: a commentary Mark A Demitrack Pharmacogenomics, Apr 2006, Vol. 7, No. 3, Pages 521-528. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Excellent evaluation of the matter! These are the same concerns that came to my mind, too. (Although I don't think I could have written it so eloquently). Besides this aspect, one thing that set off an alarm in my mind was all the media outlets in which this story ran. Forbes, Washington Post, Med-which ever. Whenever one sees a medical article in that many and those particular outlets at the same time, there is usually a PR firm with an industry friendly slant, somewhere in the equation. The message: Anything - but an origin that could be indicative of liability - is the cause of illness. Sharon In a message dated 4/21/2006 6:51:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, quackadillian@... writes: I think that plasma cortisol levels (i.e. stress) and genetics clearly do have a role in the etiology of CFS. But environmental (fungal, for example) toxins clearly do too, and I don't see anything in this story that indicates that steps were taken to rule that factor out. Perhaps thats the hidden side of this story. Otherwise, its another case of 'blame the victim' where the implications of doing so mean that a major environmental cause of illness could easily go unaddressed for another decade or two, with an ugly potential that millions of people (those who have proven to be 'genetically succeptible' and their offspring/relatives) become marginalized in the future due to inability to get insurance or employment. ( Important bit of context here: Its my and many others opinion that genetic testing is - for reasons of adverse selection - incompatible with private insurance in many ways - Insurers are already complaining about " asymmetrical information " and pushing for laws that will give them access to all stored health information that has genetic implications, with few protections. The GOP-controlled Congress and Senate is itching to do so as well. This will give rise to massive genetic discrimination in employment and elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 I think that plasma cortisol levels (i.e. stress) and genetics clearly do have a role in the etiology of CFS. But environmental (fungal, for example) toxins clearly do too, and I don't see anything in this story that indicates that steps were taken to rule that factor out. Perhaps thats the hidden side of this story. Otherwise, its another case of 'blame the victim' where the implications of doing so mean that a major environmental cause of illness could easily go unaddressed for another decade or two, with an ugly potential that millions of people (those who have proven to be 'genetically succeptible' and their offspring/relatives) become marginalized in the future due to inability to get insurance or employment. ( Important bit of context here: Its my and many others opinion that genetic testing is - for reasons of adverse selection - incompatible with private insurance in many ways - Insurers are already complaining about " asymmetrical information " and pushing for laws that will give them access to all stored health information that has genetic implications, with few protections. The GOP-controlled Congress and Senate is itching to do so as well. This will give rise to massive genetic discrimination in employment and elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 <quackadillian@...> wrote: > > I think that plasma cortisol levels (i.e. stress) and genetics clearly do have a role in the etiology of CFS. But environmental (fungal, for example) toxins clearly do too, and I don't see anything in this story that indicates that steps were taken to rule that factor out. > Perhaps thats the hidden side of this story. Otherwise, its another case of 'blame the victim' where the implications of doing so mean that a major environmental cause of illness could easily go unaddressed for another decade or two, with an ugly potential that millions of people (those who have proven to be 'genetically succeptible' and their offspring/relatives) become marginalized in the future due to inability to get insurance or employment. < Yes. you are right, that is the hidden side of this story. Despite my requests, no steps were taken to rule out fungal toxins. You might consider reading the chapter in Mold Warriors that addresses this: " Mold at Ground Zero for CFS " . - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:09:54 +0000, you wrote: > I think that plasma cortisol levels (i.e. stress) and genetics >clearly do have a role in the etiology of CFS. > But environmental >(fungal, for example) toxins clearly do too, and I don't see >anything in this story that indicates that steps were taken to rule >that factor out. It's called bait and switch. >> > Perhaps thats the hidden side of this story. Otherwise, its another >case of 'blame the victim' where the implications of doing so mean >that a major environmental cause of illness could easily go >unaddressed for another decade or two, That is the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Christ wrote: > It's called bait and switch. > > Perhaps thats the hidden side of this story. Otherwise, its another case of 'blame the victim' where the implications of doing so mean that a major environmental cause of illness could easily go unaddressed for another decade or two,<< > That is the plan. > To be fair, it should be noted that oblivious mold sufferers have fought mold survivors trying to warn them about mold illness even harder than oblivious doctors fought to stay oblivious of mold illness. In '98 I told Rick that my experience was an objective confirmation of his paper: " Trichothecene Mycotoxicosis may be indistinguishable from CFS " . I was surprised when he had no interest in pursuing the matter. But then he explained that he had approached various groups and had been stomped on by sick people and CFS groups just as hard as from medical professionals and he did not intend to waste any more effort trying to help people who had literally thrown his incredibly accurate information in the trash. I told Rick that it wouldn't be so easy to dismiss my experience as a CFS prototype and ampligen program participant who proved the concept by literally walking out of a death sentence from doctors and recovering to the point of mountain climbing through a strategy of extreme mycotoxin avoidance. As I told Rick, I thought that it would be virtually impossible for anyone seriously interested in finding something that helps to be disinterested, but the reality has been that people tell me that if I recovered, my experience does not apply. If I say that I have information about mold and the very origins of CFS as an Incline Village CFS " original " then I'm an arrogant name dropper. And if I say Dr Shoemaker has examined my genetics and concerted strategy of avoidance, and found my story to be worthy of inclusion in Mold Warriors, why then I'm a narcissistic self-glorifier with delusions of grandeur for nothing other than the happenstance of being selected as an example in Dr Shoemakers book. When all the doctors and researchers rejected my story, I really thought that they must have some incredibly criminal intent for their inexplicable behavior. But the even MORE fierce rejection and opposition from mold sufferers themselves has forced me to reach a different conclusion. Rick told me what I was in for, and he was exactly right! (again) - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 PLEASE could someone send me a copy of this paper: " Trichothecene Mycotoxicosis may be indistinguishable from CFS " And/or does anyone have contact information for the author? Or any other resources on the effects of trichothecenes or other stachybotrys toxins, or testing for them, or detecting trichothecenes in homes - that they might be willing to send me. (attachments are fine) This is exactly the point I have been trying to make to somebody important in my life right now. Just because a space does not have much 'visible mold' at one point in time, does NOT mean that it does not have mycotoxins, esp. when there has been serious stachy in the building. What about trichothecenes in house dust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Murtaugh wrote: > > , That is unfortuate that sufferers/patients are fighting each other and researchers. We have even seen it on this board.....people fighting each other over what is true. The reality is, the scope of this disease so immense that one person's symptoms could be totally different from the next. > So true! The scope and variability of this illness is so complex that dealing with it requires an individualized strategy tailored to your own personal requirements. People not only have different symptoms from each other, they also have different symptoms and levels of reactivity in themselves over time- which dictates the need for the PIR so that people can communicate a bit more effectively on " where they are in the illness " . But it's counterproductive to say " we are all completely different and you cannot project your experience upon others " when the fact is that in some fundamental ways - we are very much the same. We all have an extraordinary reactivity to mold. We have to learn how to deal with it as best we can. Staying away from mold is better than not. If someone is steadily " losing it " due to exposure beyond their tolerance - and all accessible therapies have failed to stop the decline - a more concerted effort at avoidance is literally all they have left to try. When one is dealing with an exposure level that results in inexorable decline, taking measures sooner gives people a better chance at survival than waiting until they hit PIR 6. I feel pretty safe in saying that this applies to everyone who is a mold responder. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:49:58 +0000, you wrote: > To be fair, it should be noted that oblivious mold sufferers have >fought mold survivors trying to warn them about mold illness even >harder than oblivious doctors fought to stay oblivious of mold >illness. > I hear what your saying, an individual Dr has even more of a disadvantage in that they believe the institutions they get their information from are generally on the up and up. But they are the institutions, without them their is no institution, so you have to ask yourself are they not responsible for this conspiracy to hide the truth about mold illness at least partially. To hide the truth from the American people From those who suffer so horribly From those that will suffer From those that stand to loose property From those property and business owners that are the defendants in law suites From the insurers that have to bare the burden of the cost of inadequate and unnecessary medical treatment From the government that has to support these people that become so disabled, UNESASARY DISABLED! Clearly institutions with billions of dollars at their disposal can do more than write the papers that do so much damage to us. One of the most fundamental things you do in science when someone makes a claim is you try to reproduce it. Clearly they haven't done this or they would know that it is in fact reproducible. If someone doesn't voice their complaints how are Dr's going to know how to fix it? If I don't object to the fraud going on how are Dr's going to know? If they knew do you think they would stand for it? If they can't rely on these institutions how can they do their jobs? These institutions are nothing but tobacco lawyers for everyone ironically but big tobacco. Didn't you know tobacco companies kill and maim people? Chemical, pesticide, depleted uranium and breast implant manufactures never do this and their's no such thing as Toxic MOLD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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