Re: How many people have perfume shops?

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> One of the things that I was thinking for a business, was a small

> shop. But as I look around my area of North Carolina and Connecticutt

> I realize that I have never seen a natural perfumery.

>

Hi Rob,

I was wondering the same thing. I'm from Goldsboro North Carolina and

I know there isn't a natural perfume shop here and I have never seen

one in Greenville or Raleigh. If you find out anything please let me

know.

Christie

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From: " robarmenia1 " <crookkohler@...>

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:21:47 -0000

Subject: How many people have perfume shops?

One of the things that I was thinking for a business, was a small

shop. But as I look around my area of North Carolina and Connecticutt

I realize that I have never seen a natural perfumery. There was/is a

perfume shop selling all the standard perfumes in Chapel Hill but most

I believe are the commercial synth varieties. Is there a reason that

the natural perfumes don't have as many platforms for retail?

How many shops are there selling the natural perfumes?

Rob

My boutique sells both natural and combination fragrances.

Dorothy

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I used to work in a perfume shop that had natural oils for blending perfumes and

custom

scenting skin care and bath products. They custom blend perfume right in the

store as you

wait.

http://www.escential.net/

Escential does carry many synthetics, but there is a selection of natural oils.

Most of their

natural oils come from Aura Cacia.

Are you looking to start your own business??

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At 09:21 AM 10/30/2006, you wrote:

>Is there a reason that

>the natural perfumes don't have as many platforms for retail?

>

>How many shops are there selling the natural perfumes?

Hi Rob:

Maybe you aren't aware of the fact that natural perfumery as we know

it is only a few years old -- five at the most, and the increased

number of folks getting their products online has only blossomed in

the last year or two. Stores will follow, soon. Barneys in NYC

carries some, Bendels has Mandy's, there's JoAnne's store in La

Jolla, a's Passion Flower Perfume in Seattle, Dorothy with some

naturals in Pittsburgh. Don't know of any others. Anyone selling

naturals has to be educated as to the aesthetics and qualities of

naturals, since if they're schooled in selling synth perfumes, it's a

completely different animal. It'll come, but it's not there yet.

Anya McCoy

Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com

Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org

Natural Perfumers Chat Group

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" Maybe you aren't aware of the fact that natural perfumery as we

know it is only a few years old -- five at the most "

Dear Anya and All,

Please forgive my humble presumption to tell a bit more modern NP

history for those that may not be familiar....

Mandy is the one who brought the most public attention to our art

when she came out with her book 5 years ago. Perfumers, tradionally,

did not tell their " trade secrets " , whether or not they worked with

naturals.

There other bonafied natural perfumers out there who have been

legitimately working in this field for 20+ years. Degraff

and Francois Michel are two of them which I have had personal

experience with.

I saw a lecture/demo by Mr. Michel in 1989 in PA, USA. He was a

colorful speaker and had an interesting table top apparatus. He is

still working and teaching. I visited him at his place in PA a

couple of months ago and he made a lovely perfume for me. He will

teach in our ACT conference in May 2007 in Phialdelphia.

Ms. Degraff and I met in Turkey in 1997. She had studied NP at

Rutgers University in the 60's with Stefen Arctander(just about the

last time NP was taught at the college level in the US). I was so

taken with her NP knowledge and willingness to share information,

that I created teaching platforms for her in 1997 and 1998. Indeed,

at least a couple of the people on this list studied with us in

Natural Perfumery 1 and 2, in Scranton, PA. In '98 we were told we

could not go back to the Monastary where the course was held,

because we were too rowdy a group for the priests in training. Soon

after that, our family became involved with Division 1A American

football recruiting for our youngest son. He required 3 big

surgeries (2 football related) within 2 years and my 5 day perfumery

courses with got put on the back burner...

I give Mandy enormous credit for bringing NP to the public eye in a

big way. Anything that gets the information out there, so it can be

carried on, is to be greatly commended.

Best,

Debbie

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We are open by appointment right now, and have been

for two (almost three) years, for custom blending and

our Body Basics Natural Skin care line., of Spa

Quality gift boxes.

Hopefully by the end of November we will have our

permanent boutique (in our home) finished (a bit of

remodeling) and will be open three days pr week,.

selling the Zz's Petals Natural Perfumes, and other

fragrant items, including Body Basics, and our amber

soaps and candles.

All of our perfumery and natural care lines including

Zz's Petals, Body Basics and fusionne' parfume are

sold under our main company Peace Angel Farm, our

family business of organic heirloom garlics and

seasonal berries and herbs, which has been open to the

public, throughout the growing season, for many

years..

As we ready the boutique for walk in retail, we are

also adding some of our most popular spa boxes from

the Body Basics line to the zz's petals website.

We are located in Morrow Ohio, just a bit north east

of Cincinnati, on M ontgomery Road.

Best, Zz Zorn / Owner Zz's Petals

Peace Angel Farm

http://www.peaceangelfarm.com

Zz's Petals, Natural Perfumery....

http://www.zzspetals.com

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On Oct 31, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Zz's Petals wrote:

> We are open by appointment right now, and have been

> for two (almost three) years, for custom blending and

> our Body Basics Natural Skin care line., of Spa

> Quality gift boxes.

>

>

I am also open only by appt, in west oakland, California a 1000 sq ft

space.

i have been playing store sort of...for about three years.

it is just my wholesale shipping area and blending area fancied up.

since i make aphrodisiacs, i also sell some lingerie, jewelry and

other outside vendors, in addition to my natural high end perfumes

that are not on my websites, and all my aromatherapy products.

Morrow ohio brings back memories.....i am from NE Ohio, and have

friends in the whole Cinti/Dayton/Troy/YellowSprings area....and I

sell my aphrodisiacs to Hustler store...they must be in Morrow, eh?

xoxoxo

L

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>

> > We are open by appointment right now, and have been

> > for two (almost three) years, for custom blending and

> > our Body Basics Natural Skin care line., of Spa

> > Quality gift boxes.

> >

> >

>

>

> I am also open only by appt, in west oakland, California a 1000 sq ft

> space.

>

> i have been playing store sort of...for about three years.

>

> it is just my wholesale shipping area and blending area fancied up.

> since i make aphrodisiacs, i also sell some lingerie, jewelry and

> other outside vendors, in addition to my natural high end perfumes

> that are not on my websites, and all my aromatherapy products.

>

> Morrow ohio brings back memories.....i am from NE Ohio, and have

> friends in the whole Cinti/Dayton/Troy/YellowSprings area....and I

> sell my aphrodisiacs to Hustler store...they must be in Morrow, eh?

>

> xoxoxo

>

> L

>

That is a hoot....I think that there is a Hustler store in Downtown

cincy. I know the moral police have been trying to close them down

ever since the daythey opened.. It's funny because this area,

including Northern Kentucky used to be wide open..Within a few miles

of me are an historic house once a famous brothel, and a

resturant/brothel/roadhouse, still in business, just the restaurant

though.

We kinda sit in the middle of Cincy, Dayton and Yellow Springs. I

love Yellow Springs, possibly the most progressive town in the eastern

US.. The home of Antioch College.. and the kick ars Winds Cafe....

Have not been up there in a long time.

I also have some specialty perfumes that I do not sell online. Some

very old Hungarian aphrodisiac blends , and potions.

Eye of newt and that sort of thing (just kidding)

Zz.........

http://www.zzspetals.com

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snip snip snip snip snip, Libby ;-)

>> On Oct 31, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Zz's Petals wrote:

> I also have some specialty perfumes that I do not sell online. Some

> very old Hungarian aphrodisiac blends , and potions.

> Eye of newt and that sort of thing (just kidding)

> Zz.........

> http://www.zzspetals.com

ah, yes, good ol' hippie winds cafe!!!!!

do you know international sculptor jon hudson?

his mom was mayor of yellow springs for years?

heheheh, he and i had a thang, back in 1975, heheheh

he is still a good friend and i am sure he and his wife would love

what you do.

i'll have to pass this along.

i dated a guy in urbana for a brief while in 82...hehehehe

oh my, the memories.

eye of newt? heheh, how appropriate for halloween!!!!!!!

me....i am dressed up in cowboy boots that are pony fur, and some

sleeve warmers, a camouflage mini skirt, tights and a rabbit fur

poncho...over a tank top. trying not to turn on the heat in here! 56

degrees in the house when i wake up..these days, and i am cooking

with acorn squashes and chicken and lovely amazing spices and such.

hehehe: about larry's problem in cinti...ah, he'll probably win out

in the end, but i think my stuff is the store closer to you.

they have one in kentucky too. i went to UC for a year in 1978 and

still maintain some friendships there.

let me know if you wanna trade so we each have some of the other's

perfumes in our *stores* for holiday.

are u planning any special events? I always have a couple open houses

so ppl can do holiday shopping early.

such as first two weekends in dec. champagne and chocolates flow for

everyone.

xoxoxoxxo

L

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Lots of snipping .......

zzspetals1 <zzspetals1@...> wrote:

We kinda sit in the middle of Cincy, Dayton and Yellow Springs. I

love Yellow Springs, possibly the most progressive town in the eastern

US.. The home of Antioch College.. and the kick ars Winds Cafe....

Have not been up there in a long time.

I also have some specialty perfumes that I do not sell online. Some

very old Hungarian aphrodisiac blends , and potions.

Eye of newt and that sort of thing (just kidding)

Zz.........

http://www.zzspetals.com

I spent most of my childhood in Yellow Springs in the 60s. Was too young to be

a hippie but I loved Glen Helen.

I'll have to get back that way sometime and visit.

Hungarian aphrodisiac blends sound very interesting. I'm assuming the blends are

very old, not the Hungarians .

Elise

http://www.tambela.com

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At 09:24 AM 10/31/2006, you wrote:

> " Maybe you aren't aware of the fact that natural perfumery as we

>know it is only a few years old -- five at the most "

>

>Dear Anya and All,

>

>Please forgive my humble presumption to tell a bit more modern NP

>history for those that may not be familiar....

>

>Mandy is the one who brought the most public attention to our art

>when she came out with her book 5 years ago. Perfumers, tradionally,

>did not tell their " trade secrets " , whether or not they worked with

>naturals.

>

>There other bonafied natural perfumers out there who have been

>legitimately working in this field for 20+ years. Degraff

>and Francois Michel are two of them which I have had personal

>experience with.

>

>I saw a lecture/demo by Mr. Michel in 1989 in PA, USA. He was a

>colorful speaker and had an interesting table top apparatus. He is

>still working and teaching. I visited him at his place in PA a

>couple of months ago and he made a lovely perfume for me. He will

>teach in our ACT conference in May 2007 in Phialdelphia.

Hi Debbie:

I know of Degraff's history in the field. Does she have

perfumes for sale? I would love to sample some. I spoke with Mr.

Michel a few years ago over the phone, and I believe he was a

consultant to the industry, but did not produce perfumes. Am I correct in this?

>Ms. Degraff and I met in Turkey in 1997. She had studied NP at

>Rutgers University in the 60's with Stefen Arctander(just about the

>last time NP was taught at the college level in the US). I was so

>taken with her NP knowledge and willingness to share information,

>that I created teaching platforms for her in 1997 and 1998. Indeed,

>at least a couple of the people on this list studied with us in

>Natural Perfumery 1 and 2, in Scranton, PA. In '98 we were told we

>could not go back to the Monastary where the course was held,

>because we were too rowdy a group for the priests in training.

Rowdy perfumers, reminds me of Jeanne Rose's last class in SF, from

what I've heard ;-) Can't forget Jeanne!

It would be so interesting to have access to all of the teaching

modules (my term) that all the NP teachers offer. I know Mandy has

been training her Level 2 and 3 students to teach Level l. The big

picture, at least for me, when I originally wrote " as we know it "

encompasses the huge upswing in the people who now want to become

natural perfumers. I have been tuned into the AT scene since the late

80's and never, ever found anything from any of the aforementioned

folks that would have led me over to NP. I just stumbled into it in

the early 90's when I declared myself a perfumer and used only

natural ingredients. Slapdash as it was, I'm pretty sure many who

were trying to create perfumes at that time were making sophisticated

aromatherapy blends.

Now, in the early 21st Century, NP is truly moving into its own. It

would be great if folks like you, or Degraff or Michel would write on

the process they came through in this field. It's part of our

history, and it may be lost if not written down and shared. If you

have contact with them, maybe you could encourage them, if it

wouldn't be too forward?

>I give Mandy enormous credit for bringing NP to the public eye in a

>big way. Anything that gets the information out there, so it can be

>carried on, is to be greatly commended.

Very true. Can you share more of what your classes were like? It

would be fascinating for us all to read, I'm sure!

Anya McCoy

Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com

Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org

Natural Perfumers Chat Group

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" It would be so interesting to have access to all of the teaching

modules (my term) that all the NP teachers offer. I know Mandy has

been training her Level 2 and 3 students to teach Level l. The big

picture, at least for me, when I originally wrote " as we know it "

encompasses the huge upswing in the people who now want to become

natural perfumers. I have been tuned into the AT scene since the late

80's and never, ever found anything from any of the aforementioned

folks that would have led me over to NP...

Now, in the early 21st Century, NP is truly moving into its own. It

would be great if folks like you, or Degraff or Michel would write on

the process they came through in this field. It's part of our

history, and it may be lost if not written down and shared. If you

have contact with them, maybe you could encourage them, if it

wouldn't be too forward?

Can you share more of what your classes were like? It

would be fascinating for us all to read, I'm sure! "

Hi Anya and All,

Sure, I will call Mr. Michel and Ms. Degraff and invite them to join

this group. I have no idea if they will be inclined to do so. It

won't hurt to ask. Both are busy, but, do private consults.

has her perfume called " Wine and Roses. " Once, many years

ago when we were scouting out AT stores on Long Island and smelling

various scented products, she gave this perfume to me on a smell

strip, without me knowing it was hers, and asked for my opinion. I

had been turning up my nose at synths, as they make my nose twinge,

and my stomach churn. This perfume gently held my attention. The

roundness and fresh, spicey rosiness of it caught me. I saw colors

of pink, maroon and yellow when I smelled it. She just smiled and

said " this one is mine " . It was then I decided to study NP in

earnest. I wanted to learn how to combine the essences I had grown

to love, into pleasing, harmonious, unified, scents.

My serendipitous meeting with her in Turkey and the subsequent

classes taught by her for me, were, I suppose, destined to happen.

As a nurse, I had come into Aromatherapy through the therapeutic

door in 1984-5, and couldn't blend worth a fig. I decided to tackle

it like I did when I learned pharmacy or the central nervous system;

systematically and progressively from less difficult to more so.

Once I had my scientific foundation relatively down, I felt ready to

step off into the creativity and magic of it all.

Our two 5 day natural perfumery courses covered the basics of scent

combining, lots and lots of hands on, nose on practice, record

keeping and Q and A time with . Chrissie Wildwood, Dr.

Wilde, my chemist husband, and others, were some of the additional

teachers we had participate. A lot of work for me, and as I look

back on it, definately worth it. My work these days straddles

between science and spirit. Kind of like when I was a chemo nurse;

making sure patients got the right meds at the right time depending

on lab work, etc, as well as tending to their fears, concerns and

spiritual needs.

This is all I have time to write at the moment, will travel most of

the rest of this month and will check in here from time to time.

Best,

Debbie

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At 09:09 AM 11/1/2006, you wrote:

>Our two 5 day natural perfumery courses covered the basics of scent

>combining, lots and lots of hands on, nose on practice, record

>keeping and Q and A time with . Chrissie Wildwood, Dr.

>Wilde, my chemist husband, and others, were some of the additional

>teachers we had participate.

Hi Debbie, all:

I've just remembered to include Malcolm. Some have

mentioned her in the past as their teacher. I believe she is in the

USA SW area. Anyone have information on her, her classes, perfume?

Anya McCoy

Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com

Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org

Natural Perfumers Chat Group

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