Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 wrote: >Thank you for your input! I just read in the L'Oréal artical that some of the true ingredients are prohibited? and our forum archives only mention one other person >making this incense. I would like to discuss an Edfu formulation and ingredients (on or off forum-which ever is appropriate) to get further input. I don't want my > " project " to bore the group since it has been discussed already. I read the L'Oreal articles as well, and what I 'heard' was... " Blah, blah blah. Hype, conjecture, hype. Blah, blah, blah. " It's basically pre-juicing the public (who have demonstrated that it is possible to sell petrolium sludge byproducts) for a new product introduction. Most people have never heard of Kyphi, much less smelled it, so the product is sure to be a success! Two constituents do have some form of prohibition. Calamus and calamus extract are prohibited in the US from _inclusion in food products_. I believe this was done out of fear of promoting Wiccan- ism and having people suddenly take flight (calamus is sometimes referred to as a 'witches flying herb'). Nardostachys grandiflora (aka jatamansi - true spikenard) was listed as CITES level II in 1997 (endangered). So far, trade has continued 'under the radar' - mostly because customs officials have no idea what they're looking at. Lable it as 'Nardostachys grandiflora' and there's a chance it will be pulled by customs. Labeled as Jatamansi or Spikenard, it doesn't draw a second glance. Since it's not level I (prohibited trade), it is possible to legally import N. grandiflora - with reams of paperwork and the appropriate government-required bribes. Magdalene would be truly bummed... Aside from importing, I know of no prohibitions for using spikenard in products within the US. I think the L'Oreal rep's reference to prohibition was their way of saying, " It would be too much paperwork and way too expensive to make the real thing, so I cooked up something else that you'll just love! " I've made the Edfu & Dioscorides versions of Kyphi soft incense & it's a wonderful bedtime burn. There's much debate over some ingredients - onycha, for example, could be seashell, the operculum from snails, cloves, galbanum or even crystalized tar. Though not Jewish, I skipped the seashell/snail route because the ancient Hebrews also had incense referring to onycha in the recipe & I find it highly unlikely they would have used bottom dwellers in a religious preparation. I did try the EO recipe you posted for Kyphi & found too much cinnamon _for my personal taste_. In a burn, the cinnamon (cassia & true) seem to convert to a base rather than heart/head - apparent but not dominant. I _did_ skip the Davana in your recipe because I was preparing it for myself (male) - since it blends so nicely with cinnamon it might restore balance to a feminine asian scent (sorry, can't bring myself to say oriental anymore). I've tried several blends, but haven't hit on the right one for myself yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 -- Re: Re: Kyphi ingredients --- iel <nmuss77@...> wrote: > I'm extremely happy to have recieved the personal > emails from the group regarding this topic, so with > the moderators approval I will continue this thread. > I quickly found out that a mortar and > pestle isn't so easy to use if you lack technique! > Man my hand hurt after! Any advice about how to not > make this a tool of torture? LOL! ***************************************************** HI iel I'm going to respond to this thread with the rationalization that incense was the first " perfume " so it's not that far off-topic. God, I love a good rationalization! http://www.scents-of-earth.com/electric.html) and it's probably safer, but I have also used an EO burner with a metal bowl and votive candle instead of tealight, so you're incense mixture will get hot enough to release the fragrance. Cheers! Patty Hi. Please excuse me if I am telling Grandmothers how to suck eggs. You can buy charcoal disks specially for burning incense. The Word Perfume broken down & taken back to it's Latin origin means. " For smoke " as reputedly this was the way it was first used, Per = for. Fume = smoke. Love & light Gill. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 > > I'm extremely happy to have recieved the personal emails from the >group regarding this topic, so with the moderators approval I will >continue this thread. > ( - I now agree with you about the blend I originally posted. >It is too cinnamon heavy and should reflect some more lemon-mints. I >can say this now that I have made a " partial " powdered incense mix to >sample. Thank you to " cosiyak " for inspiring me with the Mummy >perfume thread.) For those of you that already have experience with >this mix, I would love to see your recipes if you're willing to share! >.....Aspalathos The ambiguous ingredient. I'm under the impression >that this is aroot of some sort. there are many recipes for kyphi that have come to us indirectly from the Greeks and other cultures, but i decided to go with the version (one of two) that was actually found in hieroglyphics at Edfu. i have posted this recipe in the Files area and which appears in a great book " Sacred Luxuries: Fragrance, Aromatherapy & Cosmetics in Ancient Egypt " , by Lise Manniche. This book seemed to sum up the research that i had done myself, and i was very happy to find it. i have made this recipe for the resin, as well as perfume oil using the oil versions of the ingredients, and i love it! Aspalathos is regarded to be Bois de Rose, or rosewood. Cyperus is Cyperus longus, or galangal. -linda The Perfumer's Apprentice www.perfumersapprentice.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 but I have also used an EO burner with > a metal bowl and votive candle instead of tealight, so > you're incense mixture will get hot enough to release > the fragrance. > I haven't made any incense for awhile but I think you > have inspired me to get back into it again. > > Cheers! > -Patty The EO burner sounds like a great idea! I never would have thought of it. iel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 > Hi. > Please excuse me if I am telling Grandmothers how to suck eggs. > You can buy charcoal disks specially for burning incense. > The Word Perfume broken down & taken back to it's Latin origin means. " For > smoke " as reputedly this was the way it was first used, > > Per = for. Fume = smoke. > Love & light Gill. I have always intended to burn this incense over charcoal. It seems more original, but I also like the idea of an EO burner as well! iel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 > > I'm extremely happy to have recieved the personal emails from the group regarding this topic, so with the moderators approval I will continue this thread. <snipped> Not withstanding the diligent rock turning of L'Oreal's researchers, there's a remarkable amount of information out there concerning Kyphi. A natural incense group discussed it a while back (few years) as well as the published accounts (Dioscorides, Galen & modern) & heiroglyphic record. I pulled my notes together while on the road this weekend & was going to post it. It was over three pages long...and I figured those less interested may develop carpal tunnel scrolling past it. I put it all together along with a really 'ginchy' photo I took & posted it as a PDF to the group's file space (Kyphi_recipe.pdf). I also spent some time reading all of the wonderful posts this morning. Agreed on the 'self-lighting' charcoal with saltpeter. If I use it, I light it outside & let it burn there a while. Once it is completely ashy gray and the smell of ammonia is gone, I bring it back into the house. Bamboo charcoal is great, but the ones I have are a little small. I most prefer to make a 'boat' out of tinfoil, drop in a ball of Kyphi & suspend it over a votive candle. You could set the same foil over an electric EO warmer. When done, allow the sticky residue to cool on the foil, make sure there are no sparks & toss into the garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 At 03:24 PM 10/21/2006, you wrote: >i have made this recipe for the resin, as well as perfume oil using >the oil versions of the ingredients, and i love it! >Aspalathos is regarded to be Bois de Rose, or rosewood. >Cyperus is Cyperus longus, or galangal. Hi cyperus nagarmotha is the very fragrant nagarmotha. Cyperus papyrus is, well, papyrus. Galangal is Alpina galanga and several variations thereon, very different plant. Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Chat Group / ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 At 03:40 PM 10/21/2006, you wrote: >but I have also used an EO burner with > > a metal bowl and votive candle instead of tealight, so > > you're incense mixture will get hot enough to release > > the fragrance. > > I haven't made any incense for awhile but I think you > > have inspired me to get back into it again. > > > > Cheers! > > -Patty > >The EO burner sounds like a great idea! I never would have thought of >it. >iel Sometimes someone (Patty) comes in with an idea so simple! That sure sounds reasonable, and like iel, I never thought of it. Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Chat Group / ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 10/20/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 > I pulled my notes together while on the road this weekend <snip> I > put it all together along with a really 'ginchy' photo I took & > posted it as a PDF to the group's file space (Kyphi_recipe.pdf). Wow ! This is terrific! Great article, with some really fine humor. And, of course, the :ginchy " photo -- it really is the ginchiest! I sure wish I had the fun paraphernalia that you have. Where did you find it? Off to contemplate how I can justify spending the next month in a pseudo-religious trance, producing kyphi... (and wondering where to locate date wine) Andrine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 > Off to contemplate how I can justify spending the next month in a > pseudo-religious trance, producing kyphi... (and wondering where to > locate date wine) > > Andrine > Paraphenalia: Let's see...The 'incense spoon' was from eBay, but you may be able to find one in an Indian grocery that carries religious supplies. It is my standard 'part' when making incense. The cool little raku bowl & tiny spoon is from my Asian caligraphy set. The bowl is full of common incense - incense, Myrrh & Ceylon Cinnamon. The ingredients scattered around are , Myrrh, and Black Cardamom - I think this is referred to as Grains of Paradise as opposed to typical Cardamom which is much smaller & greenish white. The same Indian grocery has them - if you're in the Atlanta area, there's a great one at the back of the Global Mall at 85 & Jimmy Blvd. (simple 'plug' for really nice people & decent selection & a whole lot of stuff I can't read - I have no connection other than shopping there). The censer is a modern reproduction of a Chinese 9-dragon. I know I bought it online several years ago, but don't remember where. I'm sure several places still offer them. The creepy fireplace in the background is...my home. Several years ago, I completely lost my mind & bought a 1896 'fixer upper' - but it does have some delightful details like really creepy fireplace grates & scorched firebrick. It is not available online... Date Wine: Don't know where to get it, and I used a nice red wine. Seems like date wine would pack a real whallop with all of that sugar - much closer to undistilled rum than wine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 > > >i have made this recipe for the resin, as well as perfume oil using > >the oil versions of the ingredients, and i love it! > >Aspalathos is regarded to be Bois de Rose, or rosewood. > >Cyperus is Cyperus longus, or galangal. > > Hi > cyperus nagarmotha is the very fragrant nagarmotha. Cyperus papyrus > is, well, papyrus. Galangal is Alpina galanga and several variations > thereon, very different plant. > i went back to the book i quoted and checked. the reference is to " cyperus longus " the common name is galingale - i had thought that this was just an alternate spelling of galangal. but the word galangal (greater and lesser) refers to the Alpina variations, as you found. i will correct the spelling in the file i posted. -linda The Perfumer's Apprentice www.perfumersapprentice.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 > > cyperus nagarmotha is the very fragrant nagarmotha. Cyperus papyrus > > is, well, papyrus. Galangal is Alpina galanga and several variations > > thereon, very different plant. > > > > i went back to the book i quoted and checked. > the reference is to " cyperus longus " > the common name is galingale - > i had thought that this was just an alternate spelling > of galangal. but the word galangal (greater and lesser) refers > to the Alpina variations, as you found. > > i will correct the spelling in the file i posted. I have found that various species of " cyperus " are refered to as Galingale (note the spelling), where as " Alpina galanga " is called Galangal. iel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 , The file you posted was WICKED AWESOME! THANK YOU FOR SHARING!! I see that I will have to make a few variations on this recipe after I conquer the Edfu!! iel --------------------------------- Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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