Re: Infusing a Datura Brugmansia/a hallucinagen?

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--- a <grodrig2@...>

wrote:

> Hi,

> I want to infuse some yellow datura flowers that are

> growing in my garden.

Not only Toxic but a hallucinagen I have read. Yours

is the tall one from Africa, yes? The one from Mexico

that is more vine like is part of Don 's

hallucinagenic mixture. Be careful and check first please.

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[Guest guest]

> Hi,

> I want to infuse some yellow datura flowers that are

> growing in my garden.

Not only Toxic but a hallucinagen I have read. Yours

is the tall one from Africa, yes? The one from Mexico

that is more vine like is part of Don 's

hallucinagenic mixture. Be careful and check first please.

from: BB

a

Hello a , just one question, I know that Datura is really toxic, we

have some in our garden, I love him so much when it is smelling at night, ,

so gorgeaous, but we never ever touch them directly with our hands,

Do you know if there is no problem making and using infusions of Datura ?

wI know that pefumers use it, Serge Lutens for instance, in his hite Datura,

but who knows if it is not synthetic fragrance ? Maybe not, I wonder if

there is a concentration for your infusion to know to avoid problems, sorry

for my English, not my native lenguage, but this subjetct is interesting

!!!!!!

Best,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well, I am aware that this plant is toxic, how much I do not know. I thought it

was only dangerous if the plant parts (leaves) were ingested. It is a plant

that is common here is San Francisco, I see it in lots of gardens. I have also

seen the yellow, white, pink, and even a white with purple edging for sale at

various nurseries here. All of these are similar in that they are growing like

trees or large shrubs with the flowers hanging down instead of like other

daturas that have flowers facing upward and are more shrub like and much

smaller. I have never seen one growing like a vine. I have no idea what the

differences would be between them. My husband and I have pruned a white and

yellow datura tree before without using gloves or any other type of protection

and we did not get any skin reactions to it. I frequently take off any

yellowing leaves and spent flowers. We have three growing in the garden, two

white and one yellow and I want the other colors too. I have one close to my

kitchen window that in the evening sends a wonderful scent inside.

Does anyone know if it would still be toxic if only the flowers are infused? All

I want to do is make a scented oil. Would it be better to do a tincture? Or

even to distill the flowers, but that would make an essential oil and I don't

have the equipment to do that. But if the flowers are toxic, then I will not

make it. There are other flowers and plants that smell good too.

I think 's question about the concentration is important, does anyone out

there know?

Again, thanks in advance for any responses.

a

[Guest guest]

> Hi,

> I want to infuse some yellow datura flowers that are

> growing in my garden.

Not only Toxic but a hallucinagen I have read. Yours

is the tall one from Africa, yes? The one from Mexico

that is more vine like is part of Don 's

hallucinagenic mixture. Be careful and check first please.

from: BB

a

Hello a , just one question, I know that Datura is really toxic, we

have some in our garden, I love him so much when it is smelling at night, ,

so gorgeaous, but we never ever touch them directly with our hands,

Do you know if there is no problem making and using infusions of Datura ?

wI know that pefumers use it, Serge Lutens for instance, in his hite Datura,

but who knows if it is not synthetic fragrance ? Maybe not, I wonder if

there is a concentration for your infusion to know to avoid problems, sorry

for my English, not my native lenguage, but this subjetct is interesting

!!!!!!

Best,

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well, I am aware that this plant is toxic, how much I do not know. I thought it

was only dangerous if the plant parts (leaves) were ingested. It is a plant

that is common here is San Francisco, I see it in lots of gardens. I have also

seen the yellow, white, pink, and even a white with purple edging for sale at

various nurseries here. All of these are similar in that they are growing like

trees or large shrubs with the flowers hanging down instead of like other

daturas that have flowers facing upward and are more shrub like and much

smaller. I have never seen one growing like a vine. I have no idea what the

differences would be between them. My husband and I have pruned a white and

yellow datura tree before without using gloves or any other type of protection

and we did not get any skin reactions to it. I frequently take off any

yellowing leaves and spent flowers. We have three growing in the garden, two

white and one yellow and I want the other colors too. I have one close to my

kitchen window that in the evening sends a wonderful scent inside.

Does anyone know if it would still be toxic if only the flowers are infused? All

I want to do is make a scented oil. Would it be better to do a tincture? Or

even to distill the flowers, but that would make an essential oil and I don't

have the equipment to do that. But if the flowers are toxic, then I will not

make it. There are other flowers and plants that smell good too.

I think 's question about the concentration is important, does anyone out

there know?

Again, thanks in advance for any responses.

a

[Guest guest]

At 01:50 PM 7/18/2006, you wrote:

>Do you know if there is no problem making and using infusions of Datura ?

>wI know that pefumers use it, Serge Lutens for instance, in his hite Datura,

>but who knows if it is not synthetic fragrance ? Maybe not, I wonder if

>there is a concentration for your infusion to know to avoid problems, sorry

>for my English, not my native lenguage, but this subjetct is interesting

Often perfumers, especially those who use synths, or have a vision of a

scent, use synths, of course, or blend other essences to mimic the

unobtainable (like Datura essence.)

SL Datura smells nothing like datura flowers to me.

>Does anyone know if it would still be toxic if only the flowers are

>infused? All I want to do is make a scented oil. Would it be better to do

>a tincture? Or even to distill the flowers, but that would make an

>essential oil and I don't have the equipment to do that. But if the

>flowers are toxic, then I will not make it. There are other flowers and

>plants that smell good too.

It's the inhalation and ingestion that can be harmful (snipped the part

about the gardening, where you just touch them.) I grow it myself. I have

seen someone, who, against my warnings, kept sticking her nose into the

flowers I had harvested for a table bouquet, became quite ill.

Don't make it. Don't take the chance. We've discussed tobacco and tomato

leaf extracts here before, and they're dangerous to make at home. When

produced by manufacturers, they know how to extract the poisonous

alkaloids, so we do have tobacco and tomato available to us.

Anya

http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild

http://.com The premier site on Natural Perfume

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[Guest guest]

At 01:50 PM 7/18/2006, you wrote:

>Do you know if there is no problem making and using infusions of Datura ?

>wI know that pefumers use it, Serge Lutens for instance, in his hite Datura,

>but who knows if it is not synthetic fragrance ? Maybe not, I wonder if

>there is a concentration for your infusion to know to avoid problems, sorry

>for my English, not my native lenguage, but this subjetct is interesting

Often perfumers, especially those who use synths, or have a vision of a

scent, use synths, of course, or blend other essences to mimic the

unobtainable (like Datura essence.)

SL Datura smells nothing like datura flowers to me.

>Does anyone know if it would still be toxic if only the flowers are

>infused? All I want to do is make a scented oil. Would it be better to do

>a tincture? Or even to distill the flowers, but that would make an

>essential oil and I don't have the equipment to do that. But if the

>flowers are toxic, then I will not make it. There are other flowers and

>plants that smell good too.

It's the inhalation and ingestion that can be harmful (snipped the part

about the gardening, where you just touch them.) I grow it myself. I have

seen someone, who, against my warnings, kept sticking her nose into the

flowers I had harvested for a table bouquet, became quite ill.

Don't make it. Don't take the chance. We've discussed tobacco and tomato

leaf extracts here before, and they're dangerous to make at home. When

produced by manufacturers, they know how to extract the poisonous

alkaloids, so we do have tobacco and tomato available to us.

Anya

http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild

http://.com The premier site on Natural Perfume

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Biggest, most dynamic natural perfumery chat group