Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 At 04:49 PM 10/13/2006, you wrote: >I have some rosewood oil which is troubling me. It is extremely >fruity and floral without a >hint of woodiness and it just doesn't smell like rosewood to me. I >bought it from >Snowdrift a long time ago before I was aware of the environmental >concerns. It is >plantation grown and I have heard that this type can be very >different from wildcrafted >rosewood. So my question is: can it smell like candy and still be >real rosewood? Is >rosewood often adulterated? I'm not sure I have a use for it either >way but I still would like >to know what I have. > Hi You may have gottten the FO by mistake -- they do sell the FO, I believe, as they are very popular with some soapers. It should NOT smell fruity and floral. It should be woody and astringent with a hint of floral. I wouldn't use it since there is a big question mark about it. Snowdrift does have great EOs, but I think you wandered into the " other side " ;-) where NPers dare not go, lol. -- Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Chat Group / ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/474 - Release Date: 10/13/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 On 13/10/06, juliaglazermail <juliaglazermail@...> wrote: > I have some rosewood oil which is troubling me. It is extremely fruity and floral without a > hint of woodiness and it just doesn't smell like rosewood to me. I bought it from > Snowdrift a long time ago before I was aware of the environmental concerns. It is > plantation grown and I have heard that this type can be very different from wildcrafted > rosewood. So my question is: can it smell like candy and still be real rosewood? Is > rosewood often adulterated? I'm not sure I have a use for it either way but I still would like > to know what I have. > Hi In 5 years searching I have not yet found a Rosewood " plantation " ready to go into production cutting and processing heartwood. That's not to say there isn't one, but the Brazilian embassy, IBAMA (the environmental agency) FSC (Forest Stewardship Council) and various University (Brazilian) conservation departments couldn't point me in the direction of one...so....? There are " Rosewood Projects " (or " programs " ) these tend to look at the viability of local production by the community with sustainability and eduction the main focus. Have a look at this article I did (well out dated now!) for an idea of what one such program does. http://www.ifparoma.org/trade/html/trade2.html There has been some experimental work on processing leaf and twigs to produce oil - and (I understand) some of this did get onto the market as " rosewood " a couple of years ago. It has a lemony/ maybe sherbet, kind of smell (long time since I got a chance to smell it). So maybe you inadvertently got some of this? (*Wild-crafted* - in this case - simply means taken from the forest, most often illegally as at last count legal RW distilleries were down to around 8 and no way could they produce the volume of oil sold on the market today.) HTH LLx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 --- Anya <mccoy@...> wrote > > Hi > > You may have gottten the FO by mistake -- they do > sell the FO, I > believe, as they are very popular with some soapers. > > It should NOT smell fruity and floral. It should be > woody and > astringent with a hint of floral. I wouldn't use it > since there is a > big question mark about it. Snowdrift does have > great EOs, but I > think you wandered into the " other side " ;-) where > NPers dare not go, lol. > I think you are right, Anya. Maybe something got into the wrong bottle. I have compared it to other rosewoods and while there is a hint of rosewood to it, I just can't believe that it is real. I really do still wonder what it is though. I looked at the FOs on the Snowdrift site and they sell mostly perfume knockoff type FOs like " Pink Sugar " and " Body Shop Satsuma. " As far as I can tell, they don't carry a rosewood FO so I'm still confused about it. But I will take your advice and I won't use it. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 --- Liz <liztams@...> wrote: > On 13/10/06, juliaglazermail > <juliaglazermail@...> wrote: I bought it from > > Snowdrift a long time ago before I was aware of > the environmental concerns. > Hi > In 5 years searching I have not yet found a Rosewood > " plantation " > ready to go into production cutting and processing > heartwood. That's > not to say there isn't one, but the Brazilian > embassy, IBAMA (the > environmental agency) FSC (Forest Stewardship > Council) and various > University (Brazilian) conservation departments > couldn't point me in > the direction of one...so....? > There are " Rosewood Projects " (or " programs " ) these > tend to look at > the viability of local production by the community > with sustainability > and eduction the main focus. Have a look at this > article I did (well > out dated now!) for an idea of what one such program > does. > http://www.ifparoma.org/trade/html/trade2.html > There has been some experimental work on processing > leaf and twigs to > produce oil - and (I understand) some of this did > get onto the market > as " rosewood " a couple of years ago. It has a > lemony/ maybe sherbet, > kind of smell (long time since I got a chance to > smell it). So maybe > you inadvertently got some of this? > (*Wild-crafted* - in this case - simply means taken > from the forest, > most often illegally as at last count legal RW > distilleries were down > to around 8 and no way could they produce the volume > of oil sold on > the market today.) > HTH > LLx > Thanks for this post. I should have clarified that I won't be buying more rosewood, " plantation grown " or otherwise. I have been reading up on the subject and realized that there was no sustainable production happening. I just wanted to know if the rosewood I already have is actual rosewood and I believe now that it isn't. Maybe I did get the one that is made from leaves and twigs. It really doesn't have a smell that I would want to use in my perfumes. I love the smell of true rosewood and will miss it! __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Maybe I did get the one that is made from > leaves and twigs. It really doesn't have a smell that > I would want to use in my perfumes. I love the smell > of true rosewood and will miss it! > > ++++++++++++++++++++++ , You may wish to check out Linaloe wood oil (Bursera delpechiana) for your blends because it is almost identical in chemistry and fragrance to rosewood. My supplier recommended I should change over to this nearly 15 years ago, and I am really glad I did now that the situation with rosewood has deteriorated so much. Just a thought. Bev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Glazer <juliaglazermail@...> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>non text portions etc .. I love the smell of true rosewood and will miss it! Hi Liz , >I know what you mean it is a lovely aroma...... Have you tried Japanes Ho Wood? It is of course not exactly like rosewood but it does have similar properties in its smell which may be useful as an alternative. regards Janita --------------------------------- All New – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 At 05:55 PM 10/13/2006, you wrote: >There has been some experimental work on processing leaf and twigs to >produce oil - and (I understand) some of this did get onto the market >as " rosewood " a couple of years ago. It has a lemony/ maybe sherbet, >kind of smell (long time since I got a chance to smell it). So maybe >you inadvertently got some of this? Never knew about that, Liz, maybe that is what she got. So glad I've never liked the scent of rosewood, it's easier to not use it in my perfumes! I posted something on a perfume blog today about this kind of issue (restricted materials #3 statement). You can view it here: It's under " What's Up? and you need to click on comments -- I'm number 5 http://whatwedoissecret.org/madebyblog/category/made-by-blog/between-rounds/ -- Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Chat Group / ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 10/14/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 This may not mean much to this group, but Rosewood isn't just used for perfumery, or for it's oil. Brazilian Rosewood is a prized tonewood for stringed instruments. Indian Rosewood is also used, and more common in lesser expensive instruments. But coming from a musician as well as perfumer, I have several rosewood guitars. I am more interested in finding rare vintage models when I can, but know that most of the designer guitars like the Clapton (made famous after his unplugged success on MTV) is a Brazilian rosewood guitar. Everytime a celebrity musician comes out with a custom instrument like that, a ton of folks will just have to have one for themselves. I am sure that there are many other uses for this and other woods, that lead to over harvesting. The truth is that not only our greed has led to this, but our ingenuity as well. The only difference though, when it comes to the way people look at it in relation to the oil or the tonewood. The musician is more likely to see themselves as getting something very special, sacred even. I am not sure that one thinks in those terms when purchasing a bottle of oil.. Peace Angel Farm http://www.peaceangelfarm.com Zz's Petals, Natural Perfumery.... http://www.zzspetals.com __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 > > > This may not mean much to this group, but Rosewood > > > isn't just used for perfumery, or for it's oil. > > > Brazilian Rosewood is a prized tonewood for stringed > > > instruments. > > > >Hi > >The tree used to make musical instruments is Dalbergia nigra, common > >name Brazilian Rosewood. It is also endangered, but not used at all in > >EO production. > >Dalbergia latifolia (also used for musical instruments) is commonly > >known as Indian rosewood. > >Aniba roseodora (from Brazil) is taken exclusively for essential oil > >production, which involves the distruction of the whole tree - roots > >are said to contain a high % of oil. > > Wow, Liz, that's an eye-opener. That's why it's always good to know > the botanical names. Doesn't really mean much then does it. Botanical name or not... If both are in danger of extinction. Z........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Actually it's all very unreliable, since there is a rosewood oil called Brazilian Rosewood Oil that is used in conditioning other woods and making wood stains. coming from the fallen seeds of the Oticica Tree: Family ceae: Licania rigida. This wood oil or seed oil is also used in south america as a medicinal oil, and could very easily be considered by the native peoples as what we call aromatherapy oils here.... A ten minute search will net you several different rosewoods, if you consider the botanical names. To say that all rosewood oil or essential oil comes from one source is to have a lot of faith in the manufacturers of rosewood oil, which is one of the most adulterated of all essential oils. Peace Angel Farm http://www.peaceangelfarm.com Zz's Petals, Natural Perfumery.... http://www.zzspetals.com __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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