RE: Unda Group: Q: GBS and second pregnancy

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Hello and I would suggest speaking to a midwife, someone older who is not necessarily attached to a conventional practice. This came up with a patient recently and I called Ann Frye who lives in Portland Oregon and who is a lay midwife and who is the author of midwifery text books. She can answer your questions but I have learned that this antibiotic treatment is not really necessary, that the bacterium can be a part of normal flora. An ND I work with, who specializes in pediatrics, confirmed this as well. Call Ann, she is the expert and she is listed in the phone book. Regards. White, ND, CT

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Sawhill, N.D.Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: Unda Group: Q: GBS and second pregnancy

Hello group,

I have a patient who is pregnant second time around. The first pregnancy she had GBS (group beta strep) and was given 3 I.V. antibiotic doses during delivery. Her newborn ended up with thrush and they were both sick for awhile. Does anyone have any experience with GBS in the second pregnancy? She wants to avoid the i.v. antibiotics.

She and her daughter have been on HMF since she's been seeing me (2 years) as well as other immune building protocols. She is very healthy and has a healthy lifestyle with good food choices, exercise, etc.

I plan to help her build the immune system to prevent any infections but would also appreciate other ppl's take on this. Any experience, insight or info? The pregnancy info on the web is all "bad news".

Thanks!

Sawhill, ND

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I believe you are correct about treatment of GBS , however, IV antibiotics in labor is the "standard of care" for a mom who is currently or has in the past tested positive for GBS. The trick is to find a midwife/OB who won't automatically prescribe the antibiotics, which may be difficult if she is planning a hospital birth. If she were to test negative this pregnancy and they didn't have the labwork from the previous pregnancy, she should be fine. However, this could be difficult if she is using the same clinician/hospital etc. where there is easy access to previous labs. Essentially, she needs to work something out with the person who is doing her birth.

I spoke with my preceptor Zieman, ND, LM, who teaches OB at NCNM. Dr Zieman would be willing to see her if she is interested in a home birth, and she would put her on a protocol (which it sounds like you have already done ) to make sure she would come up negative for GBS and therefore not need the antibiotics. Zieman's contact information is:

503-665-9111

119 NE 3rd St

Gresham, OR 97030

Hope this helps.

Jill

5th year ND/Midwifery student at NCNM

-------------- Original message -------------- From: " White" <nancywhitend@...>

Hello and I would suggest speaking to a midwife, someone older who is not necessarily attached to a conventional practice. This came up with a patient recently and I called Ann Frye who lives in Portland Oregon and who is a lay midwife and who is the author of midwifery text books. She can answer your questions but I have learned that this antibiotic treatment is not really necessary, that the bacterium can be a part of normal flora. An ND I work with, who specializes in pediatrics, confirmed this as well. Call Ann, she is the expert and she is listed in the phone book. Regards. White, ND, CT

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Sawhill, N.D.Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: Unda Group: Q: GBS and second pregnancy

Hello group,

I have a patient who is pregnant second time around. The first pregnancy she had GBS (group beta strep) and was given 3 I.V. antibiotic doses during delivery. Her newborn ended up with thrush and they were both sick for awhile. Does anyone have any experience with GBS in the second pregnancy? She wants to avoid the i.v. antibiotics.

She and her daughter have been on HMF since she's been seeing me (2 years) as well as other immune building protocols. She is very healthy and has a healthy lifestyle with good food choices, exercise, etc.

I plan to help her build the immune system to prevent any infections but would also appreciate other ppl's take on this. Any experience, insight or info? The pregnancy info on the web is all "bad news".

Thanks!

Sawhill, ND

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, Allimax would be an excellent treatment protocol for this woman. It is an excellent antimicrobial that is strong, effective and safe in pregnancy. Email or call me for further info. (503) 319-1449jilledwardsnd@... wrote: I believe you are correct about treatment of GBS , however, IV antibiotics in labor is the "standard of care" for a mom who is currently or has in

the past tested positive for GBS. The trick is to find a midwife/OB who won't automatically prescribe the antibiotics, which may be difficult if she is planning a hospital birth. If she were to test negative this pregnancy and they didn't have the labwork from the previous pregnancy, she should be fine. However, this could be difficult if she is using the same clinician/hospital etc. where there is easy access to previous labs. Essentially, she needs to work something out with the person who is doing her birth. I spoke with my preceptor Zieman, ND, LM, who teaches OB at NCNM. Dr Zieman would be willing to see her if she is interested in a home birth, and she would put her on a protocol (which it sounds like you have already done ) to make sure she would come up negative for GBS and therefore not need the antibiotics. Zieman's contact

information is: 503-665-9111 119 NE 3rd St Gresham, OR 97030 Hope this helps. Jill 5th year ND/Midwifery student at NCNM -------------- Original message -------------- From: " White" <nancywhitendcomcast (DOT) net> Hello and I would suggest speaking to a midwife, someone older who is not necessarily attached to a conventional practice. This came up with a patient recently and I called Ann Frye who lives in Portland Oregon and who is a lay midwife and who is the author of midwifery text books. She can answer your questions but I have learned that this antibiotic treatment is not really necessary, that the bacterium can be a part of

normal flora. An ND I work with, who specializes in pediatrics, confirmed this as well. Call Ann, she is the expert and she is listed in the phone book. Regards. White, ND, CT -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Sawhill, N.D.Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: Unda Group: Q: GBS and second pregnancy Hello group, I have a patient who is pregnant second time around. The first pregnancy she had GBS (group beta strep) and was given 3 I.V. antibiotic doses during delivery. Her newborn ended up with thrush and they were both sick for awhile. Does

anyone have any experience with GBS in the second pregnancy? She wants to avoid the i.v. antibiotics. She and her daughter have been on HMF since she's been seeing me (2 years) as well as other immune building protocols. She is very healthy and has a healthy lifestyle with good food choices, exercise, etc. I plan to help her build the immune system to prevent any infections but would also appreciate other ppl's take on this. Any experience, insight or info? The pregnancy info on the web is all "bad news". Thanks! Sawhill, ND Dr. McCool, N.D. Synergy Health Center 1715 East Burnside Street Portland, OR 97214 (503) 234-4622

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