Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 --- Ruth Ruane <ruth@...> wrote: I sat down yeterday to begin > building a fragrance around coco absolute, I > got a small sample from Butch Owen. After two tries > I have only enough left for one more go, > (I blend in 4mls of jojoba using a total of twenty > drops, 3 of which are coco. > > I used vanilla abs, tonka abs, ambrette, turkish > rose abs, boronia abs, cardomom abs, some > really nice tangerine, and sweet orange, a wee bit > of frangipani wax (in the second) ( as I am > blending a solid perfume formula) tiny drop of > rosewood, the may chang in the second and > rose otto in the first, oh and a scant drop of > aniseed in the second. > > The first one I dumped. I added too much rose otto, > by too much I mean 2 drops instead of > 1, it would never be right. Blah! Ok next one I > thought I had something, then I added the > tiniest drop of May Chang, big mistake, too lemony, > too sharp, not round enough. As I said I > have enough for one more go! Anybody have any ideas? > Ruth **************************************************** Hi Ruth It looks like you're after a foody-floral blend, which sounds yummy. Cocoa goes great with florals.You're also adding in a spicy aspect with your tonka,cardomon and aniseed which goes along with the foody deal. For your next blend you might consider eliminating some of the essences (hard to let go, I know). It will simplify your blending as well as your subsequent evaluation of the blend. For instance, maybe eliminate vanilla since tonka (a great choice here!) already has a vanilla thing going. Frangipani has a pretty low odor intensity and probably isn't contributing a whole lot. Not sure you need Ambrette either. The cocoa probably has enought earthiness to ground it. By the way, if you are lucky enough to have it, Pink Lotus is divine with cocoa. It sounds like you are on your way to creating a truly delicious perfume. So timely for the holidays. I want some! Cheers! -Patty ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Low, Low, Low Rates! Check out Messenger's cheap PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 -- Ruth Ruane <ruth@... <ruth%40whitewitch.ie>> wrote: >As I said I have enough for one more go! Anybody have any ideas? > Ruth Hello Ruth! This sounds like an interesting (and tasty) project! Can't wait to hear what you come up with. Sometimes when I'm feeling a bit stumped I like to get inspiration from reading... Perhaps you'd like to settle back with a cup of tea (or hot chocolate!) and peruse this edition of White Lotus Aromatics Newsletter, if you haven't already: http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com//newsletters/cocoa.html Happy blending! Carryh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2006 Report Share Posted November 2, 2006 At 03:26 PM 11/1/2006, you wrote: >--- Ruth Ruane <ruth@...> wrote: > >I sat down yeterday to begin > > building a fragrance around coco absolute, I > > got a small sample from Butch Owen. After two tries > > I have only enough left for one more go, > > (I blend in 4mls of jojoba using a total of twenty > > drops, 3 of which are coco. > > > > I used vanilla abs, tonka abs, ambrette, turkish > > rose abs, boronia abs, cardomom abs, some > > really nice tangerine, and sweet orange, a wee bit > > of frangipani wax (in the second) ( as I am > > blending a solid perfume formula) tiny drop of > > rosewood, the may chang in the second and > > rose otto in the first, oh and a scant drop of > > aniseed in the second. > > > > The first one I dumped. I added too much rose otto, > > by too much I mean 2 drops instead of > > 1, it would never be right. Blah! Ok next one I > > thought I had something, then I added the > > tiniest drop of May Chang, big mistake, too lemony, > > too sharp, not round enough. As I said I > > have enough for one more go! Anybody have any ideas? > > Ruth >**************************************************** > >Hi Ruth > >It looks like you're after a foody-floral blend, which >sounds yummy. Cocoa goes great with florals.You're >also adding in a spicy aspect with your tonka,cardomon >and aniseed which goes along with the foody deal. > >For your next blend you might consider eliminating >some of the essences (hard to let go, I know). It will >simplify your blending as well as your subsequent >evaluation of the blend. For instance, maybe eliminate >vanilla since tonka (a great choice here!) already has >a vanilla thing going. Frangipani has a pretty low >odor intensity and probably isn't contributing a whole >lot. Not sure you need Ambrette either. The cocoa >probably has enought earthiness to ground it. > >By the way, if you are lucky enough to have it, Pink >Lotus is divine with cocoa. > >It sounds like you are on your way to creating a truly >delicious perfume. So timely for the holidays. I want >some! Cheers! > >-Patty I agree with Patty that the spices can be booted up, and the fragi can be lost -- boronia, too! You have any nutmeg butter? It's luscious, waxy, cheap from liberty. I need to get some more Pink lotus, thanks for the reminder, patty -- there goes my bank account again! I use lemon myrtle now all the time for a round, sweet lemon note. I also tend to dilute my strong intensity essences, from galbanum to lemon myrtle. It really helps with the control. To me, constraint and patience are the biggest aids to perfumery. Mandy gives a good example of this in her book with oakmoss. Six months after making a blend, she discovered it had overpowered the entire blend. I tincture lots of stuff down to 10-20%, blend, wait, observe. You can always add more, but can't delete. I adore solid perfumes, and love the scented body care stuff you sent, so I want to smell the final product, too! Anya McCoy Anya's Garden of Natural Perfume http://anyasgarden.com Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://artisannaturalperfumers.org Natural Perfumers Chat Group / ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.23/513 - Release Date: 11/2/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 Thanks you guys for your advice, I was so inspired I had to sit down in my studio this morning and begin again. Here is what I came up with, I feel like sharing the formula because first of all it's a work in progress, we might all learn something. I can't say for sure how it is going to turn out as I am waiting for the marraige to happen, but it smells promising, very promising, I also want to share because I got some really great advice so I feel as if half the work was done for me... I lowered the concentration of coco, partly because I wanted to keep a drop of the amazing sample but mostly because I felt like it was the best thing to do, so I started with coco abs, 2 drops (precious) then I added just 1 drop of tonka, I knew I would come back to that one, then I thought about the NP post re ambergris and chocolate, so I took down my ambergris tincture and for the first time I used it, just 1 drop ( a tiny one) then back to the tonka, 1 more I felt would give the base enough strenght of character. Then on to the heart. Turkish rose absolute, just 1 drop to start, then I tentatively add 1 drop of cardamom absolute, I was brave, so it was a good drop. Then the pink lotus abs, 1 drop first, smell, ah yes I could see where this was going, 1 more, then (Flowing) back to the turkish rose 1 more drop, then the nutmeg, (I had no nutmeg butter) I felt like a nice drop would comlpment the cardamom, so 1 drop of nutmeg abs, what a heart. Then the top, I had sweet orange out to add, but I knew that was all wrong, too sweet, sticky even, I took down the wild orange (thanks Butch Owen) first I added 2 tangerine, really nice, then the wild orange, 1 smell, 2 smell, 3 smell, ah wow! then the anise, I was brave, 2 anise, then back to the tangerine, 2 more drops, what a balance. so what I have is really promising, tangerine, wild orange and anise TOP, turkish rose, cardamom, pink lotus, nutmeg HEART, and tonka, coco, ambergris BASE. I will let you know how it develops I just put a bit on my wrist, strange citrus notes, then followed by a flood of flowers almondy chocolate, the tonka is coming in very soon , but is it upsetting the heart? I think so, but wait it is lifting....tune in tomorrow for another episode of ........coco absolute. I am going to make it into a solid now and contain it, things can change with beeswax, lets see. Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 > Here is what I came up with, >I can't say for sure how it is going to turn out as I am waiting for the marraige > to happen, but it smells promising, very promising, > I will let you know how it develops > I just put a bit on my wrist, strange citrus notes, then followed by a flood of flowers > almondy chocolate, the tonka is coming in very soon , but is it upsetting the heart? I >think so, but wait it is lifting....tune in tomorrow for another episode of ........coco absolute. I am going to make it into a solid now and contain it, things can change with beeswax, lets see. > > Ruth > OK You guys didn't even have to wait till tomorrow and needless to say neither did I, NO NO NO I say! Ater only a few hours we have what could best be desribed as Terry's Chocolate Orange! Not exactly what I was going for! Coco is strong! Good job I have still 1 drop left for another go, I don't think the old credit card can stretch any further. I started again, I won't bore you with the details till I find out if it's good! I will just tell you it's totally different! Now I have got to make some food for my family! Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 --- Ruth Ruane <ruth@...> wrote: > Coco is strong! Good job I have still 1 > drop left for another go, I don't think the old > credit card can stretch any further. > > I started again, I won't bore you with the details > till I find out if it's good! I will just tell you > it's totally different! > > Now I have got to make some food for my family! > > Ruth > > Hi Ruth, I don't know if other people have had this experience but in my experiences with cocoa, it has grown a little bit over time and become very strong. My feeling is that I need to tone the chocolate way down when I try again to make chocolate perfumes. I wanted something much more subtle than what I came up with on my first tries. I have also been wondering if I just have the wrong cocoa absolute. I have one from Liberty and I'm not sure it's delicious enough. ________________________________________________________________________________\ __________ Check out the New - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents./mailbeta) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 > Hi Ruth, > I don't know if other people have had this experience > but in my experiences with cocoa, it has grown a > little bit over time and become very strong. My > feeling is that I need to tone the chocolate way down > when I try again to make chocolate perfumes. I wanted > something much more subtle than what I came up with on > my first tries. I have also been wondering if I just > have the wrong cocoa absolute. I have one from > Liberty and I'm not sure it's delicious enough. > > ************************************************************ Hi You raise a good point. There are in fact at least two " types " of cocoa absolute that I have smelled. The one I use in my lip balm line (in case anyone is interested) is from Essential Oil University, and it has that sweet warm chocolatey smell like you just walked into a chocolate factory. The other one I smelled (I think it was from Liberty but can't be sure) was less sweet and more, er, earthy, for lack of a better word. Depending on the effect you're going for, one might work better than the other. I have made some perfume blends using the sweet EOU stuff, and I haven't noticed it dominating the blend or growing stronger over time. Cheers! -Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 > > > Hi Ruth, > > I don't know if other people have had this experience > > but in my experiences with cocoa, it has grown a > > little bit over time and become very strong. My > > feeling is that I need to tone the chocolate way down > > when I try again to make chocolate perfumes. I wanted > > something much more subtle than what I came up with on > > my first tries. I have also been wondering if I just > > have the wrong cocoa absolute. I have one from > > Liberty and I'm not sure it's delicious enough. > > > > > ************************************************************ > > Hi > > You raise a good point. There are in fact at least two " types " of > cocoa absolute that I have smelled. The one I use in my lip balm > line (in case anyone is interested) is from Essential Oil > University, and it has that sweet warm chocolatey smell like you > just walked into a chocolate factory. The other one I smelled (I > think it was from Liberty but can't be sure) was less sweet and > more, er, earthy, for lack of a better word. Depending on the effect > you're going for, one might work better than the other. I have made > some perfume blends using the sweet EOU stuff, and I haven't noticed > it dominating the blend or growing stronger over time. > > Cheers! > > -Patty > Patty, are either of those coco absolutes soluble in oil? I have a rich, sweet one from White Lotus, which is soluble in water, not in oil, and poorly in alcohol. T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 > > I started again, I won't bore you with the details till I find out if it's good! I will just tell you > it's totally different! > > Now I have got to make some food for my family! > > Ruth > Hi Ruth, Just to let you know, I really enjoyed your description -you managed to create real suspense<G> A thought to the coco - it seems to be overpowering your creation. If I'm working with something that tends to be too strong, sometimes it helps to create everything else, then dip a toothpick lightly in the essence of choice, and stir the rest with it. This way you're only introducing a trace of scent ( and stretches the drop). If I were in your situation, I would most likely dillute the drop a little as well (carefully, but at least a little). Best of luck, and I'd love to hear how this story ends ne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2006 Report Share Posted November 3, 2006 > Patty, are either of those coco absolutes soluble in > oil? I have a rich, sweet one from White > Lotus, which is soluble in water, not in oil, and > poorly in alcohol. > > T. ************************************************** Hmmm. That seems odd. You might want to ask about that. The one from Liberty or wherever wasn't mine so I can't say what it was soluble in. But the one I have from EOU is easily soluble in alcohol and oil. -Patty ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to (http://) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 > > > > > Patty, are either of those coco absolutes soluble in > > oil? I have a rich, sweet one from White > > Lotus, which is soluble in water, not in oil, and > > poorly in alcohol. > > > > T. > ************************************************** > > Hmmm. That seems odd. You might want to ask > about that. The one from Liberty or > wherever wasn't mine so I can't say what it was > soluble in. But the one I have from EOU is easily > soluble in alcohol and oil. > > -Patty Hi Patty and , I dissagree, Patty. I have the EOU Cocoa absolute and it is definately not soluble in oil. I just tested it, just to be sure, in Jojoba and Fract. Coconut and it separates from both. It is mostly soluble in alcohol but some dark color sinks to the bottom like a hazy sludge. I'm assuming that is what means by poorly soluble. I do agree that it is fantastic and ever so yummy however! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 > > > Patty, are either of those coco absolutes > soluble in oil? > > > T. > > ************************************************** But the one I have from EOU is easily > > soluble in alcohol and oil. -Patty > > Hi Patty and , > I dissagree, Patty. I have the EOU Cocoa absolute > and it is definately not soluble in oil. I > just tested it, just to be sure, in Jojoba and > Fract. Coconut and it separates from both. It was my perception that in this case you just let it steep in the oil or infuse if you would for at least 2 weeks then use a coffee filter or some such thing to strain out the unused or unmixed EO or in this case why not absolute? BB PS teachers complain this type of thinking is " Leaping " ________________________________________________________________________________\ __________ Check out the New - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. (http://advision.webevents./mailbeta) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 -----Original Message----- >> Patty, are either of those coco absolutes soluble in >> oil? I have a rich, sweet one from White >> Lotus, which is soluble in water, not in oil, and >> poorly in alcohol. >> T. ************************************************** >Hmmm. That seems odd. You might want to ask > about that. The one from Liberty or >wherever wasn't mine so I can't say what it was >soluble in. But the one I have from EOU is easily >soluble in alcohol and oil. >-Patty Not so odd actually ... the Cocoa Absolute I have isn't oil soluble. Actually, to date I've personally not come across an oil soluble one. *Smile* Chris Make Your Own Artisan Natural Perfumed Soaps For The Holidays Handmade Bar & Liquid Castile Soap Bases - Ready To Use http://www.alittleolfactory.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2006 Report Share Posted November 4, 2006 > > Hi Patty and , > I dissagree, Patty. I have the EOU Cocoa absolute > and it is definately not soluble in oil. I > just tested it, just to be sure, in Jojoba and > Fract. Coconut and it separates from both. It is > mostly soluble in alcohol but some dark color sinks > to the bottom like a hazy sludge. I'm > assuming that is what means by poorly > soluble. I do agree that it is fantastic and > ever so yummy however! ************************************************ I stand corrected. When I went and put some in jojoba oil it didn't dissolve. I guess I thought it did because I use it in the lip balm, but there you've got waxes and things so the cocoa particles can remain kind of suspended-like. But it seemed to dissolve pretty completely in alcohol. So I can't exlain our differing results there. Go figure. -Patty ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business (http://smallbusiness.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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