Re: Kidney Stones, mold??

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie, I cant tell you if it causes stones, but I had these

severe infections with my exposure. test came back negitive on

bladder and kidney infections, but I had all the symptoms. the

infection in my back was so bad that I couldn't bend or hardly walk

it was mostly in my lower back and my kidneys fell like they have had

damage. the two glands in my lower back would often swell up and my

whole back was stiff and hot and it would go down my legs and up my

back and into my arms.this was described at one point as mechanical

back pain, EMTs(where they poke your muscles with a neddle and mesure

responce) showed extreme pain with just trying to do this. at one

point I was given steroid shots.only had one and it made me very ill.

was supposed to get 3, but because just sticking the neddle in my

lower back caused so much pain, the doctor refused to finish. he said

he had never had that happen before. slowly after getting out, this

has gotten better but can be instantly be reacted by anything

aggervateing these glands in my lower back or and other glands.this

was thought to be fibromyalgia by one doctor but test came back

negitive. sinus infections bring this condition back if it gets out

of control. also if I get a cold or flu. but when I think about what

exposure puts your kidneys and bladder through, I'd say about

anything is possible. the infections in this part of my body lead to

a hisderictomy.so I know theres is damage to my other organs. and my

stomach and colon suffered to. basicly, all my organs suffered, but I

still dont know if any test will show this. I cant afford to get to a

expert either, and my family doctor had a conflict of interest when

it came to helping me so I basically was left to try and figure out

what was happening to me and didnt know enough at the time to of

experts to go to. I may be wrong but I've read that a CT scan,and

MRI might show some damage that has accured to the organs. I cant

even find a doctor that will take me on as a patient. I thought about

not bringing up the mold exposure, but I've allready been through to

many misdignoses and given to many med's that I had a bad reaction

to. just cant deal with another doctor treating me like Im crazy and

putting me through that again. wish you the best on your exam. take

care.

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In , " jackiebreeze " <jackiebreeze@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi,

> I know this might be a dumb question but I am blond so it probably

is

> dumb. Can mold exposure cause kidney stones? For several months I

> had some slight pain in my lower belly and lower back. For the

past

> 2 weeks the pain has gotten close to the pain of giving birth and

has

> spread from my right side to all over my lower and upper belly to

my

> upper and lower back. I have seen 3 doctors and they have not done

> much of any thing except one said I had a bladder infection...then

> another suggested kidney stones...today my gastrologist (SP?) said

I

> did not have a bladder infection that the test the other doctor

read

> the test as an infection because showed blood in my urine. I am

set

> for extensive testing on Monday...if I can endure the pain that

long!

> I was exposed to a horrible mold problem in a home I lived in 3

years

> ago. I moved and got over the sleeping for 20 hours a day but I am

> still not normal. Since then, I have been terribly ill with

various

> issues...even down to losing my back teeth.

> I can't afford to see the doctors you all suggest and this is at a

> very frustrating point. I just need to be well and normal again

> because this is not a life.

> But anyway, I was wondering if mold had anything to do with the

> development of stones...it seems like mold causes everything else

> unhealthy! Thanks in advance for any suggestions or answers!

> Jackie

>

[Guest guest]

There are a number of serious kidney (and liver) diseases that may be

caused by mold/mycotoxin exposure, like PKD. They can be

life-threatening.

You need to see a ***mold-aware*** doctor.

Regardless of whether you have insurance or not.

[Guest guest]

speaking for myself, there is nothing I'd like to do more, however I

cant get half way across the state to see Dr. Shoemaker. its great that

he now has the spectorscope and can test the damage to the brain, I;d

have to still get with someone that could deturmine the effect this has

had on the rest of my organs. without haveing a doctor to write

prescriptions to have CT's, MRI's, and SPECT scans done(which would

possibly show another misdignoses of MS) how am I supposed to get this

done. I thought of going and checking myself into the hospital and no

dought would be suffering a MCS attack by the time I got there, but

doctors are not going to just do the test I ask them to do and if I

bring up the mold exposure, they will just treat me like a nut. and I

have medicad and medicare, because I was put on disability for post

stress syndrome while in the moldy home but it was not known at the

time that this is what caused it. 12 years now of dealing with this has

caused me to lose my career, sold all my antiques to servive, and I

cant even afford tires for my car. its easy to say get to a specialest

but a little harder to do when your broke. even at this point if I

managed to find a doctor in my state, if he's very far away, I'd have a

problem getting there, or going very often. Im tring to figure out a

way to get CT's done and SPECT scan at a hospital close to me without

haveing a doctor prescribe it. even if I go in when Im haveing

multiple symptoms and very ill, they aren't going to listen to me and

do the test I ask for. chances are, they are going to throw antibiotics

at me, do a urine test or two and tell me they didn't find anything.

and send me home.

>

> There are a number of serious kidney (and liver) diseases that may be

> caused by mold/mycotoxin exposure, like PKD. They can be

> life-threatening.

>

> You need to see a ***mold-aware*** doctor.

>

> Regardless of whether you have insurance or not.

>

[Guest guest]

I am very aware of this fact but without the money, I can't. For those

of you with money to get treatment, this is easier said than can be

done.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> There are a number of serious kidney (and liver) diseases that may be

> caused by mold/mycotoxin exposure, like PKD. They can be

> life-threatening.

>

> You need to see a ***mold-aware*** doctor.

>

> Regardless of whether you have insurance or not.

>

[Guest guest]

HI

I have been interviewing a couple of mold patients and I was

surprised to find out that every one of them has got kidney stones?

10 people from 10 different homes.

What type of mold did you have?

In this 10 homes aspergillus was dominant.

-mygla

Iceland

>

> Hi,

> I know this might be a dumb question but I am blond so it probably

is

> dumb. Can mold exposure cause kidney stones? For several months

I

> had some slight pain in my lower belly and lower back. For the

past

> 2 weeks the pain has gotten close to the pain of giving birth and

has

> spread from my right side to all over my lower and upper belly to

my

> upper and lower back. I have seen 3 doctors and they have not

done

> much of any thing except one said I had a bladder infection...then

> another suggested kidney stones...today my gastrologist (SP?) said

I

> did not have a bladder infection that the test the other doctor

read

> the test as an infection because showed blood in my urine. I am

set

> for extensive testing on Monday...if I can endure the pain that

long!

> I was exposed to a horrible mold problem in a home I lived in 3

years

> ago. I moved and got over the sleeping for 20 hours a day but I

am

> still not normal. Since then, I have been terribly ill with

various

> issues...even down to losing my back teeth.

> I can't afford to see the doctors you all suggest and this is at a

> very frustrating point. I just need to be well and normal again

> because this is not a life.

> But anyway, I was wondering if mold had anything to do with the

> development of stones...it seems like mold causes everything else

> unhealthy! Thanks in advance for any suggestions or answers!

> Jackie

>

[Guest guest]

I have no idea what kind of mold it was. It was determined by an

insurance adjuster (the insurance did not cover mold damage), a

contractor and the city building inspector, that the house did have a

mold problem. I was told practically the whole house needed to be

ripped out. The odd thing, besides the black mold that would collect

in the bathroom that I cleaned constantly, I saw no other mold until

one day right out of our freshly painted wall a weird thing grew out.

Later the building inspector said it was mushroom. The mold was

pretty much hidden and grew in the walls and such. We had a 5 year

drought, we moved in this house during a very dry spell. When the

rain came a big pond formed under the house...this was discovered by

a electrician who was going to do some work.

I started having breating problems, developed sleep apea (I was thin

then too) and I would sleep approx 19 hours a day. I started having

tooth aches and many, many issues. I have not been well since...it

never stops...so the answer to your question, I have no idea what

kind of mold it was....I just know it was there.

> >

> > Hi,

> > I know this might be a dumb question but I am blond so it

probably

> is

> > dumb. Can mold exposure cause kidney stones? For several months

> I

> > had some slight pain in my lower belly and lower back. For the

> past

> > 2 weeks the pain has gotten close to the pain of giving birth and

> has

> > spread from my right side to all over my lower and upper belly to

> my

> > upper and lower back. I have seen 3 doctors and they have not

> done

> > much of any thing except one said I had a bladder

infection...then

> > another suggested kidney stones...today my gastrologist (SP?)

said

> I

> > did not have a bladder infection that the test the other doctor

> read

> > the test as an infection because showed blood in my urine. I am

> set

> > for extensive testing on Monday...if I can endure the pain that

> long!

> > I was exposed to a horrible mold problem in a home I lived in 3

> years

> > ago. I moved and got over the sleeping for 20 hours a day but I

> am

> > still not normal. Since then, I have been terribly ill with

> various

> > issues...even down to losing my back teeth.

> > I can't afford to see the doctors you all suggest and this is at

a

> > very frustrating point. I just need to be well and normal again

> > because this is not a life.

> > But anyway, I was wondering if mold had anything to do with the

> > development of stones...it seems like mold causes everything else

> > unhealthy! Thanks in advance for any suggestions or answers!

> > Jackie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

The same question has come up several times in discussion with other

researchers, even though I can't give all the indepth details and

the reasoning why, apparently there is some sort of a link. I had

spoken to a physician last year that did ultra sounds and I had

asked him several questions about fungal infections, swelling of the

organs, etc., if he has or was able to observe any type

abnormalities due to this type of infection. His answer was

shocking, he said no, but he did not realize how serious kidney

fungal infections were. Because he had just lost his dad to it. I

gave him my card with several websites on it and ran into him a

couple of hours later and he couldn't thank me enough. The shocking

part was when he said we lose over 300 patients a year to this type

of illness and a high percentage of the time, like his dad

experienced was due to aspergillus fumigatus. It was definately an

eye opener. But yet they continue to suppress the informaton. Who do

they think they are fooling, us or themselves?

KC

>

> Hi,

> I know this might be a dumb question but I am blond so it probably

is

> dumb. Can mold exposure cause kidney stones? For several months

I

> had some slight pain in my lower belly and lower back. For the

past

> 2 weeks the pain has gotten close to the pain of giving birth and

has

> spread from my right side to all over my lower and upper belly to

my

> upper and lower back. I have seen 3 doctors and they have not

done

> much of any thing except one said I had a bladder infection...then

> another suggested kidney stones...today my gastrologist (SP?) said

I

> did not have a bladder infection that the test the other doctor

read

> the test as an infection because showed blood in my urine. I am

set

> for extensive testing on Monday...if I can endure the pain that

long!

> I was exposed to a horrible mold problem in a home I lived in 3

years

> ago. I moved and got over the sleeping for 20 hours a day but I

am

> still not normal. Since then, I have been terribly ill with

various

> issues...even down to losing my back teeth.

> I can't afford to see the doctors you all suggest and this is at a

> very frustrating point. I just need to be well and normal again

> because this is not a life.

> But anyway, I was wondering if mold had anything to do with the

> development of stones...it seems like mold causes everything else

> unhealthy! Thanks in advance for any suggestions or answers!

> Jackie

>

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

I am NOT saying that supplements of any kind will cure anything but my

own recovery, in retrospect, has been helped by several nutritional

supplements several of which you can - if you look around, find in

bulk, so they can end up being very inexpensive. They are alpha-lipoic

acid, n-acetyl cysteine, acytyl-l-carnitine and piracetam

If you have kidney issues, you should ask a doctor about milk thistle

extract, too.

Hint, doctors may be avoiding having you as a patient because you seem

dangerous to them.

You need to be pro-active about your own recovery and don't expect

others to do it for you.

Once you get better, after a certain point, you will hopefully become

more articulate at finding help and then, at that point, it may become

less frustrating.

You are not alone.. Reaching out (like you are doing here) is an

important first step.

Get medical help if you can, it sounds like you really do need it.

Don't be afraid to give doctors information you have found. Get

familiar with pubmed.gov and you will find a lot of stuff that may

help you.

Nobody is as motivated to solve YOUR medical issues as YOU are..

[Guest guest]

ok, now its my turn to ask a dumb question, and because I was never

sick before this, I never felt the need to educate myself any of

these illnesses. because I had some very painful episodes with the

pain and dierrhia ,and kidney stone never even accured to me, but now

Im realy wondering. and I used to be able to deal with a lot of pain.

example: a cyropractor that documented the infection in my back and

the effects of this when it first started happening, said he couldn't

believe I was still trying to work with this condiction, as most

people would not. it later caused me to get to that point. but Im

just wondering now, if there is evidence left in your kidneys of

previous stones that may of been passed and if so, what kind of test

would show this? a CT

scan?

> >

> > There are a number of serious kidney (and liver) diseases that

may be

> > caused by mold/mycotoxin exposure, like PKD. They can be

> > life-threatening.

> >

> > You need to see a ***mold-aware*** doctor.

> >

> > Regardless of whether you have insurance or not.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>>>On Behalf Of who

but Im

just wondering now, if there is evidence left in your kidneys of

previous stones that may of been passed and if so, what kind of test

would show this? a CT scan? >>

No, once the stone(s) passed you would not be able to see evidence of them

unless you still have some. Also, there are many causes of pain, not just

kidney stones.

Rosie

[Guest guest]

thanks rosie, I just thought they might leave scaring. and yes, I

think my kidney pain was mostly from not being able to rid the toxins

while I was in the mold. and now both my bladder and kidneys just

aren't up to par. dont know if any test would show anything, but

wondering about fibrosis in several of my organs.sence tissues from

my overies showed cystic and smooth muscle growth, Im thinking other

organs were affected the same way. wondering about fibrosis. the

problem I had with the extra pain and larger amounts of blood with

the dieerhia, may of been some kind of blood pocket type thing from

infection and the sore in my stomach. could have just had a hard

subtance from food build up around this sore/cist thing and I never

really was told what it actually was. report is vage to, but he said

it was like a

grorder. ??

>

> >>>On Behalf Of who

> but Im

> just wondering now, if there is evidence left in your kidneys of

> previous stones that may of been passed and if so, what kind of

test

> would show this? a CT scan? >>

> No, once the stone(s) passed you would not be able to see evidence

of them

> unless you still have some. Also, there are many causes of pain,

not just

> kidney stones.

> Rosie

>

[Guest guest]

HI Jackie--all I can say is that I also have that HORRID back pain from time

to time, & the pain intermittently goes up my shoulder blades (scapulas).

My docs have found NOTHING wrong, except a bladder infection......yet the

pain persists, after antibiotics.

KC on here suggested I try milk thistle, which I did..... & now the pain is

GONE. Anytime I start in with the pain again, I take the milk thistle, &

don't have a big episode at all.....

Hope that helps....

[] Kidney Stones, mold??

> Hi,

> I know this might be a dumb question but I am blond so it probably is

> dumb. Can mold exposure cause kidney stones? For several months I

> had some slight pain in my lower belly and lower back. For the past

> 2 weeks the pain has gotten close to the pain of giving birth and has

> spread from my right side to all over my lower and upper belly to my

> upper and lower back. I have seen 3 doctors and they have not done

> much of any thing except one said I had a bladder infection...then

> another suggested kidney stones...today my gastrologist (SP?) said I

> did not have a bladder infection that the test the other doctor read

> the test as an infection because showed blood in my urine. I am set

> for extensive testing on Monday...if I can endure the pain that long!

> I was exposed to a horrible mold problem in a home I lived in 3 years

> ago. I moved and got over the sleeping for 20 hours a day but I am

> still not normal. Since then, I have been terribly ill with various

> issues...even down to losing my back teeth.

> I can't afford to see the doctors you all suggest and this is at a

> very frustrating point. I just need to be well and normal again

> because this is not a life.

> But anyway, I was wondering if mold had anything to do with the

> development of stones...it seems like mold causes everything else

> unhealthy! Thanks in advance for any suggestions or answers!

> Jackie

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