Re: Before Natural Perfumery, I....

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--- Anya <mccoy@...> wrote:

> Only used single note essential oils and thought

> they were " enough " ...

I did this too and I used some of them undiluted! Not

very safe but who knew?! I mixed them a little bit:

tried neroli and bergamot or patchouli, sandalwood and

vetiver. And I tried wearing plain vanilla extract!

I smelled like a cookie!

> Still visited department store counters to try to

> find something that was

> wearable....

I did this all the time and wasted a whole lot of

money thinking I could " get used to " harsh fragrances

that I sort of liked a little bit. Threw them all

away.

I also used to buy synthetic oil blends at the health

food store and the local herb shop because they were

marketed as " natural. " I liked them until I got

pregnant and then my nose got really sensitive and the

oils made me extremely nauseous! I'm grateful for

this now because I was wearing synthetic musks which I

believe are dangerous for pregnant women. I have

since written letters to some of these stores asking

them to market accurately.

I also used to think rose-scented products were just

awful! It was like a miracle to discover Bulgarian

rose absolute which smells much like the roses in my

garden. It was only synthetic rose oil that smelled

terrible to me.

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> believe are dangerous for pregnant women. I have

> since written letters to some of these stores asking

> them to market accurately.

>

>

> I also used to think rose-scented products were just

> awful! It was like a miracle to discover Bulgarian

> rose absolute which smells much like the roses in my

> garden. It was only synthetic rose oil that smelled

> terrible to me.

>

>

>

>

more people should write letters like yours....

thank you.

and rose has over 2000 chemical components, of which they can

synthesize only 50.

this makes sense to me, and makes me think how the chains, molecular

structure affects our nasal experience, as being harsh and rude

compared with soft and smooth.....

basically this is my theory that when you digest a scent and you are

dealing with nice natural moelcular chains, your body processes them

easily and with the synths you can see headaches and all kinds of

rude manifestations due to the chains being odd or incomplete.

this is just a theory as i am not a chemist

xoxoo

L

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> and rose has over 2000 chemical components, of which they can

> synthesize only 50.

>

> L

>

Libby, you are not alone in believing this, in fact it has become something of a

myth (and

the number keeps getting bigger!) but rose otto contains in the region of 300

constituents, a few of which have not yet been identified.

Tisserand

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> What's your story about your awareness before NP?

> > Only used single note essential oils and thought they

were " enough " ...

>Before I started using eo's I used to wear 'Beautiful' by Estee

Lauder and nothing else I got it as a present in my teens. Actually

I did use those scented oils from the body shop (they sort of hurt my

head though. I didn't find the beautiful perfume too bad. What was

really offensive were the 'body sprays'that everyone (teenagers)

used 'they were cool'. My mother never used perfume because it gave

her a headache and it was through her that I came across eo's, this was

towards the end of my teen years (14yrs ago) I got in lots of trouble

for raiding her cupboard.

At first I did not know that natural perfumery existed (I found this

out prob. 2 yrs ago) and I did not think about wearing the eo's I just

enjoyed the oils for that small amount of time especially in the bath.

In my twenties I coined the name Patchouli from my brother. I

would carry a bottle around with me and you know what patchouli is

like. I'm still working out how little to use in a perfume blend oh

my god less no even less even less jeeeepers.

I think my nose has gotten more sensitive to the wrong smells (is this

possible) especially cleaners and clothes detergents. I can get a

headache from smelling peoples clothes that use a heavily fragranced

detergent. Maybe after smelling the good stuff My nose has become a

snob.

> Didn't have four huge cabinets filled with aromatics, tinctures,

bottles,

> supplies, etc., lol.....

Oh my this sentence makes my heart quicken and my palms go clammy.

I've got a reasonable amount but oh it is not enough there is so much

that I have not smelled yet and the thought of that makes me salivate.

In time In time I've got atleast another 50 years left to dabble.

my apologies for the length but I had not thought of " before natural

perfumery I " and once started it is hard to stop. I could go on and

on and on.

see ya

> p.s I do love how after an eo bath the towel holds the scent of the

base oils

>>

>

>

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> What's your story about your awareness before NP?

> > Only used single note essential oils and thought they

were " enough " ...

>Before I started using eo's I used to wear 'Beautiful' by Estee

Lauder and nothing else I got it as a present in my teens. Actually

I did use those scented oils from the body shop (they sort of hurt my

head though. I didn't find the beautiful perfume too bad. What was

really offensive were the 'body sprays'that everyone (teenagers)

used 'they were cool'. My mother never used perfume because it gave

her a headache and it was through her that I came across eo's, this was

towards the end of my teen years (14yrs ago) I got in lots of trouble

for raiding her cupboard.

At first I did not know that natural perfumery existed (I found this

out prob. 2 yrs ago) and I did not think about wearing the eo's I just

enjoyed the oils for that small amount of time especially in the bath.

In my twenties I coined the name Patchouli from my brother. I

would carry a bottle around with me and you know what patchouli is

like. I'm still working out how little to use in a perfume blend oh

my god less no even less even less jeeeepers.

I think my nose has gotten more sensitive to the wrong smells (is this

possible) especially cleaners and clothes detergents. I can get a

headache from smelling peoples clothes that use a heavily fragranced

detergent. Maybe after smelling the good stuff My nose has become a

snob.

> Didn't have four huge cabinets filled with aromatics, tinctures,

bottles,

> supplies, etc., lol.....

Oh my this sentence makes my heart quicken and my palms go clammy.

I've got a reasonable amount but oh it is not enough there is so much

that I have not smelled yet and the thought of that makes me salivate.

In time In time I've got atleast another 50 years left to dabble.

my apologies for the length but I had not thought of " before natural

perfumery I " and once started it is hard to stop. I could go on and

on and on.

see ya

> p.s I do love how after an eo bath the towel holds the scent of the

base oils

>>

>

>

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>

> > What's your story about your awareness before NP?

I am terribly sorry but

before natural perfumery I always enjoyed my nose

there was always freshly cut grass, gentle rain on hot ashphalt, my

boyfriends underarms, flowers, cakes a baking, a storm coming in,

the musky smell that kangaroos leave behind in the bush, cuddles with

grandma, fresh air, clean sheets especially when they have been on

the line for 2 days and have been rained on, why use a fragrance in

the clothes detergent when you can have that clean oh so clean smell.

Oh anya you have got me going thankyou for the question.

I reckon our sense of smell is a protection thing for our bodies. If

it smells yuck don't touch.

cheers

>

>

>

>

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Anya I love this topic, reminds me of how essays used to start off in

school!

Before Natural Perfumery I was wandering around around like a lost

soul trying to find my path in life. In a way I had been walking it

all along but not seeing the woods for the trees so to speak. Even

when I was a kid I loved mixing and blending, making concoctions and

experiments. I remember any perfumes I have ever come into contact

with by name and if I close my eyes I can still smell them. However I

didn't like most of the sickly sweet sythetic stuff my friends doused

themselves in. I liked 4711 (which it turns out is all natural as far

as I am aware). I liked a perfume my sister always wore, Chloe, she

passed away 10 years ago and I remember I kept one of her cotton

nighties, it smelled of her perfume for a long time:(

I always used to put a few drops of neroli on my cuffs or my collar

before I went out. I remembered reading about an Italian queen who

also favoured neroli and I felt queenly whe I wore the oil. I read the

book 'Perfume' about 10 years ago, I devoured actually but never

thought of becoming a perfumer. I have the most sensitive nose of

anyone I know, but still I could not see my path. I have always hated

anything that's not natural, I remember years ago, I was only 16 years

old and I gave my first serious boyfriend a hand painted certificate

that had my name at the top, it said: " Ruth Ruane, all natural, made

without any artifical colors, flavors or preservatives. " I gave it to

him as a gift, in other words giving myself to him, symbolically, if

you get my drift

I stumbled on natural perfumery when I started White Witch. I thought

that I would love to get a signature perfume made and I found Ayala

Senders website when I did a google search. I corresponded with her a

couple of times, I described the type of perfume I wanted her to

create for me. As I was describing it, I was smelling it in my head, I

began to think that I would love to learn how to make natural perfumes

myself. Thats when I found Mandy Aftel's website and I began her

course. I fell in love and here I am!

Ruth

http://www.whitewitch.ie

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I also used to buy synthetic oil blends at the health

food store and the local herb shop because they were

marketed as " natural. " I liked them until I got

pregnant and then my nose got really sensitive and the

oils made me extremely nauseous! I'm grateful for

this now because I was wearing synthetic musks which I

believe are dangerous for pregnant women. I have

since written letters to some of these stores asking

them to market accurately.>

Me too. Now I cant' stand them either. They just smell like cheap, fake " hippie "

oils to me(no offense the the crunchy granola members of our group). You would

think that natural places would sell, well....natural fragrances. Most of the

fragrances where I work(Whole Foods Market) are synthetic. We've had

discussions about that in this group before.

That being said I do still like some commercial perfumes, but they are once in

a blue moon kind of thing. Right now I'm really feeling Gucci por Homme. It's

totally amber, and I'm sure I'm wrong, but it smells like its full of naturals

to me, in fact, it smells like some things I've blended myself!

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I just wanted to add, in addition to my other post, that I used to think stuff

like " lilac " , " orchid " , " strawberry " , " apple " etc, were actually naturally

derived scents from the plants themselves! Boy, was I ignorant!

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At 01:19 PM 9/28/2006, you wrote:

>--- Anya <mccoy@...> wrote:

>

> > Only used single note essential oils and thought

> > they were " enough " ...

>

>I did this too and I used some of them undiluted! Not

>very safe but who knew?! I mixed them a little bit:

>tried neroli and bergamot or patchouli, sandalwood and

>vetiver. And I tried wearing plain vanilla extract!

>I smelled like a cookie!

I did all the above, too!

> > Still visited department store counters to try to

> > find something that was

> > wearable....

>

>I did this all the time and wasted a whole lot of

>money thinking I could " get used to " harsh fragrances

>that I sort of liked a little bit. Threw them all

>away.

I just stopped buying perfume, and I wasn't even trying to be " all natural "

at the time. I just knew the mainstream stuff was disappointing and turned

sour quickly.

>I also used to buy synthetic oil blends at the health

>food store and the local herb shop because they were

>marketed as " natural. "

They're still selling that junk, it's a shame.

>I also used to think rose-scented products were just

>awful! It was like a miracle to discover Bulgarian

>rose absolute which smells much like the roses in my

>garden. It was only synthetic rose oil that smelled

>terrible to me.

I bought my first Turkish rose otto in 89 and never looked back! I still

have some of that purchase, and it's as nice today as it was then.

Anya

http://anyasgarden.com/perfumes.htm Parfums Natural

http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild

http://.com The Premier Natural Perfume Site Gateway

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At 02:11 PM 9/28/2006, you wrote:

>this makes sense to me, and makes me think how the chains, molecular

>structure affects our nasal experience, as being harsh and rude

>compared with soft and smooth.....

>

>

>basically this is my theory that when you digest a scent and you are

>dealing with nice natural moelcular chains, your body processes them

>easily and with the synths you can see headaches and all kinds of

>rude manifestations due to the chains being odd or incomplete.

>

>this is just a theory as i am not a chemist

Never thought about it this way, that the " chains being odd or incomplete "

caused the problem. It makes sense.

Anya

http://anyasgarden.com/perfumes.htm Parfums Natural

http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild

http://.com The Premier Natural Perfume Site Gateway

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At 11:49 PM 9/28/2006, you wrote:

>Me too. Now I cant' stand them either. They just smell like cheap, fake

> " hippie " oils to me(no offense the the crunchy granola members of our

>group). You would think that natural places would sell, well....natural

>fragrances. Most of the fragrances where I work(Whole Foods Market) are

>synthetic. We've had discussions about that in this group before.

So many folks who shop there, and want good stuff think that stuff *is* the

good stuff because WF sells it. That's a shame.

Anya

http://anyasgarden.com/perfumes.htm Parfums Natural

http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild

http://.com The Premier Natural Perfume Site Gateway

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--- Anya <mccoy@...> wrote:

You would think that natural places would

> sell, well....natural

> >fragrances. Most of the fragrances where I

> work(Whole Foods Market) are

> >synthetic. We've had discussions about that in

> this group before.

>

> So many folks who shop there, and want good stuff

> think that stuff *is* the

> good stuff because WF sells it. That's a shame.

I think I'll write one of my letters to Whole Foods

asking them to at least inform people that these are

synthetic fragrances. I don't see why stores that

won't sell artificially flavored products have no

problem selling artificial fragrance. It would be

nice if they would educate their customers about what

they are buying.

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<Edited to correct top posting!>

what patchouli is > >like. I'm still working out how little to use >

Down, down, down with the patch, . It " grows " in a blend after

mixing, > so you have to age it and reassess it.

> yes I have made blends before that smelt balanced at first but then

after aging the beautiful patchouli gobbled everything up and took

over

> > > >>

> I've been doing it for 30 years +, so you still have time. I've

always made > rose and other flower and herb infusions and tinctures,

collected EOs, > attars and absolutes, and since it's a business --

whoo! the exploding > cabinetry theory is made reality. Need more

space!

> hmmm! maybe get a house just for natural perfumery

>

> Anya

> http://anyasgarden.com/perfumes.htm Parfums Natural

> http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers

Guild

> http://.com The Premier Natural Perfume Site Gateway

>

thanks anya