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UNDA 13, 22, 243

gammadyn Li

gemmos acer campeste + lonicera nigra 50 drops of each bid

nervinum vagum 4 CH 10 drops bid

aroma 23 10 drops bid added to water

Dick Thom

Beaverton, OR

cancer, endocrine, Business of Health

Hello Group!

The patient is a 17 year old girl with a history of anxiety ("she has always

been sensitive"). She began Celexa 1 year ago as it became intense (fearing

crowds, profuse sweating). It became worse this year and she was put on

Klonopin. She immediately came down with the worst headache she'e ever had

for  the next 10 days. The neurologist discontinued the drug abruptly

(contraindicated). Now she has a "buzzing"in her head...a "static"...no

sound but a serious haze. It is so severe that she has not been to school x

1 month as she cannot concentrate. She is also having intense leg pain

(non-localized but all tissue layers, so bone, muscle, and joint) with

greatly increased superficial sensitivity. Also jaw pain. All MRIs of head

and sacral region are negative.

Other pertinent hx:

--father is bipolar and has anxiety.

--She had her gallbladder removed this spring because it had "septations"=

folds preventing bile flow and leading to stomach pain. At the same time

they did a "sympathectomy", which was to prevent her from having sweaty

palms. No complications to the surgery.

--She had a virus this past fall that had her down for 2 weeks with very

swollen lymph glands and body aches (she has not been tested for Lyme, no

legions noted)

--Lifelong constipation

--This week she was also put on Seroquel, which is also processed through

the CYP450 system.

She had started seeing me initially for acupuncture, not knowing anything

about naturopathy, and there hasn't been alot of enthusiasm for getting on

board with ND stuff...

So we have done alot of acupuncture...also, Flax seeds, cod liver oil (which

she said further constipated her, I would have thought diarrhea), COP. So

far no dent on the leg pain and only marginal improvement of the buzzing.

Now she can at least read.

My assessment is that she has a fragile CNS and the Klonopin was too toxic.

Additionally because of her poor GI health and elimination she is having

trouble metabolizing it and getting it out

She (her mother) is now finally willing to get on the ND train--its the UNDA

piece that I'd like your help with...I am vacillating between liver and

nervous system. It could look like #9-30-258, or #22 for the intense

anxiety. Or #1 to really aid the liver. Any suggestions?

(Additionally, a green powder, AI diet, B-vitamins,VeryBerry, Vit E, and Mg)

Any help, specifically about the UNDAs would be welcome!

Saccomanno ND (the license arrived yesterday!) LAc

Wholistic Health

Portland, OR

_________________________________________________________________

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acer - chronic anxiety

lonicera- CNS support + chronic spleen/ GI problems

Dick Thom

Beaverton, OR

cancer, endocrine, Business of Health

Why Acer and Lonicera?

I'm using Gemmos - with  good results, but still have soooo much to learn.

Amy

Amy E Chadwick, ND

Palmer Naturopathic Medical Center

440A W Evergreen Ave

Palmer, AK 99645

amycnd@...

907.745.8500

Re: Klonopin withdrawl -A

UNDA 13, 22, 243

gammadyn Li

gemmos acer campeste + lonicera nigra          50 drops of each bid

nervinum vagum 4 CH                              10 drops bid

aroma 23                                             10 drops bid added to water

Dick Thom

Beaverton, OR

cancer, endocrine, Business of Health

Hello Group!

The patient is a 17 year old girl with a history of anxiety ("she has always

been sensitive"). She began Celexa 1 year ago as it became intense (fearing

crowds, profuse sweating). It became worse this year and she was put on

Klonopin. She immediately came down with the worst headache she'e ever had

for  the next 10 days. The neurologist discontinued the drug abruptly

(contraindicated) . Now she has a "buzzing"in her head...a "static"...no

sound but a serious haze. It is so severe that she has not been to school x

1 month as she cannot concentrate. She is also having intense leg pain

(non-localized but all tissue layers, so bone, muscle, and joint) with

greatly increased superficial sensitivity. Also jaw pain. All MRIs of head

and sacral region are negative.

Other pertinent hx:

--father is bipolar and has anxiety.

--She had her gallbladder removed this spring because it had "septations" =

folds preventing bile flow and leading to stomach pain. At the same time

they did a "sympathectomy" , which was to prevent her from having sweaty

palms. No complications to the surgery.

--She had a virus this past fall that had her down for 2 weeks with very

swollen lymph glands and body aches (she has not been tested for Lyme, no

legions noted)

--Lifelong constipation

--This week she was also put on Seroquel, which is also processed through

the CYP450 system.

She had started seeing me initially for acupuncture, not knowing anything

about naturopathy, and there hasn't been alot of enthusiasm for getting on

board with ND stuff...

So we have done alot of acupuncture. ..also, Flax seeds, cod liver oil (which

she said further constipated her, I would have thought diarrhea), COP. So

far no dent on the leg pain and only marginal improvement of the buzzing.

Now she can at least read.

My assessment is that she has a fragile CNS and the Klonopin was too toxic.

Additionally because of her poor GI health and elimination she is having

trouble metabolizing it and getting it out

She (her mother) is now finally willing to get on the ND train--its the UNDA

piece that I'd like your help with...I am vacillating between liver and

nervous system. It could look like #9-30-258, or #22 for the intense

anxiety. Or #1 to really aid the liver. Any suggestions?

(Additionally, a green powder, AI diet, B-vitamins,VeryBerr y, Vit E, and Mg)

Any help, specifically about the UNDAs would be welcome!

Saccomanno ND (the license arrived yesterday!) LAc

Wholistic Health

Portland, OR

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ________

Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series.  Who will win?

http://clk.atdmt. com/MSN/go/ msnnkwsp00700000 01msn/direct/ 01/?href= http://davevscar l.spaces. live.com/ ?icid=T001MSN38C 07001

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Why Acer and Lonicera?I'm using Gemmos - with good results, but still have soooo much to learn. AmyAmy E Chadwick, NDPalmer Naturopathic Medical Center440A W Evergreen AvePalmer, AK 99645amycnd@...907.745.8500 Re: Klonopin withdrawl -A

UNDA 13, 22, 243

gammadyn Li

gemmos acer campeste + lonicera nigra 50 drops of each bid

nervinum vagum 4 CH 10 drops bid

aroma 23 10 drops bid added to water

Dick Thom

Beaverton, OR

cancer, endocrine, Business of Health

Hello Group!

The patient is a 17 year old girl with a history of anxiety ("she has always

been sensitive"). She began Celexa 1 year ago as it became intense (fearing

crowds, profuse sweating). It became worse this year and she was put on

Klonopin. She immediately came down with the worst headache she'e ever had

for the next 10 days. The neurologist discontinued the drug abruptly

(contraindicated) . Now she has a "buzzing"in her head...a "static"...no

sound but a serious haze. It is so severe that she has not been to school x

1 month as she cannot concentrate. She is also having intense leg pain

(non-localized but all tissue layers, so bone, muscle, and joint) with

greatly increased superficial sensitivity. Also jaw pain. All MRIs of head

and sacral region are negative.

Other pertinent hx:

--father is bipolar and has anxiety.

--She had her gallbladder removed this spring because it had "septations" =

folds preventing bile flow and leading to stomach pain. At the same time

they did a "sympathectomy" , which was to prevent her from having sweaty

palms. No complications to the surgery.

--She had a virus this past fall that had her down for 2 weeks with very

swollen lymph glands and body aches (she has not been tested for Lyme, no

legions noted)

--Lifelong constipation

--This week she was also put on Seroquel, which is also processed through

the CYP450 system.

She had started seeing me initially for acupuncture, not knowing anything

about naturopathy, and there hasn't been alot of enthusiasm for getting on

board with ND stuff...

So we have done alot of acupuncture. ..also, Flax seeds, cod liver oil (which

she said further constipated her, I would have thought diarrhea), COP. So

far no dent on the leg pain and only marginal improvement of the buzzing.

Now she can at least read.

My assessment is that she has a fragile CNS and the Klonopin was too toxic.

Additionally because of her poor GI health and elimination she is having

trouble metabolizing it and getting it out

She (her mother) is now finally willing to get on the ND train--its the UNDA

piece that I'd like your help with...I am vacillating between liver and

nervous system. It could look like #9-30-258, or #22 for the intense

anxiety. Or #1 to really aid the liver. Any suggestions?

(Additionally, a green powder, AI diet, B-vitamins,VeryBerr y, Vit E, and Mg)

Any help, specifically about the UNDAs would be welcome!

Saccomanno ND (the license arrived yesterday!) LAc

Wholistic Health

Portland, OR

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ________

Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series. Who will win?

http://clk.atdmt. com/MSN/go/ msnnkwsp00700000 01msn/direct/ 01/?href= http://davevscar l.spaces. live.com/ ?icid=T001MSN38C 07001

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Hi , Wow, what a pt! DT's protocol looks great, let us know what you ultimatel use and how it goes. And be sure to use magneleuvers as the anxiety and h/as sound like the all to common mag deficiency (especially in a teenage). Simple, but the BTGs, fully, and the energetics of DTs ideas should be tremendous if not curiative and their is not something else going on. Brad West, ND Santa Cruz, Ca Detox, homeopathy, GPDrdwthom@... wrote: UNDA 13, 22, 243gammadyn Ligemmos acer campeste + lonicera nigra 50 drops of each bidnervinum vagum 4 CH 10 drops bidaroma 23 10 drops bid added to waterDick ThomBeaverton, ORcancer, endocrine, Business of Health Hello Group!The patient is a 17 year old girl with a history of anxiety ("she has alwaysbeen sensitive"). She began Celexa 1 year ago as it became intense (fearingcrowds, profuse sweating). It became worse this year and she was put onKlonopin. She immediately came down with the worst headache she'e ever hadfor the next 10 days. The neurologist discontinued the drug abruptly(contraindicated). Now she has a "buzzing"in her head...a "static"...nosound but a serious haze. It is so severe that she has not been to school x1 month as she cannot concentrate. She is also having intense leg pain(non-localized but all tissue layers, so bone, muscle, and joint) withgreatly increased superficial sensitivity. Also jaw pain. All MRIs of headand sacral region are negative.Other pertinent hx:--father is bipolar and has anxiety.--She had her gallbladder removed this spring because it had

"septations"=folds preventing bile flow and leading to stomach pain. At the same timethey did a "sympathectomy", which was to prevent her from having sweatypalms. No complications to the surgery.--She had a virus this past fall that had her down for 2 weeks with veryswollen lymph glands and body aches (she has not been tested for Lyme, nolegions noted)--Lifelong constipation--This week she was also put on Seroquel, which is also processed throughthe CYP450 system.She had started seeing me initially for acupuncture, not knowing anythingabout naturopathy, and there hasn't been alot of enthusiasm for getting onboard with ND stuff...So we have done alot of acupuncture...also, Flax seeds, cod liver oil (whichshe said further constipated her, I would have thought diarrhea), COP. Sofar no dent on the leg pain and only marginal improvement of the buzzing.Now she can at least read.My

assessment is that she has a fragile CNS and the Klonopin was too toxic.Additionally because of her poor GI health and elimination she is havingtrouble metabolizing it and getting it outShe (her mother) is now finally willing to get on the ND train--its the UNDApiece that I'd like your help with...I am vacillating between liver andnervous system. It could look like #9-30-258, or #22 for the intenseanxiety. Or #1 to really aid the liver. Any suggestions?(Additionally, a green powder, AI diet, B-vitamins,VeryBerry, Vit E, and Mg)Any help, specifically about the UNDAs would be welcome! Saccomanno ND (the license arrived yesterday!) LAcWholistic HealthPortland, OR_________________________________________________________________Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series. Who will

win?http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://davevscarl.spaces.live.com/?icid=T001MSN38C07001

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