Re: On goat hair tincture and human pheromones.. and bee goo and ambergris, etc.

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At 01:00 AM 9/18/2006, you wrote:

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><To come to a conclusion it seems strange that on one side the

>civilized person washes away his animal scent but prefers perfumes

>that contains Castoreum or Civet as an endeavours to appropriate an

>animal scent. >

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>I have been wondering why with all the " unusual tincturing " going

>on, nobody has mentioned human excretion. Be it sweat, hair or other.

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>The answer to that, is also the answer to what you wrote. In my

>personal oppinion, it has much to do with " civilized psychology " -

>sexual issues, are still taboo. Funny when it's all so out there,

>and everywhere. But even that is born out of taboo. A very

>profitable rebellion of sorts, that many fall for that have issues

>with this subject. If everyone had a healthy attitude,things would

>look quite differently I'm sure.

Well, " healthy attitude " taken into account, for the most part, humans

don't like the idea of a perfumer or cook adding a little " sumpin extra "

from the outhouse to the mix. That's my take on it, at least. Re: the

recent E.coli/spinach scare here in the US - I think we have more of an

awareness that human-transmitted microbes can harm us.

I just wrote a rather humorous (well, at least I think it's humorous) post

on my blog about animal scents, with a little eyeopener about the oils you

buy if they're not Kosher, something we haven't touched upon much lately. I

provided a link to Salaam's great page on ambergris, if members aren't

aware of it. He's a valued member of the group who has done more to educate

us on animal scents than anyone I know. Here's the Blog, and the post is:

A bee's gotta do what a bee's gotta do, a whale's gotta do what a whale's

gotta do....

http://anyasgarden.blogspot.com/ I wove Jimmy Swaggert, bee poop and Kosher

all into the same post, lol.

Anya

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>Well, " healthy attitude " taken into account, for the most part, humans

don't like the idea of a perfumer or cook adding a little " sumpin

extra "

from the outhouse to the mix. That's my take on it, at least......

No, Salaam didn't write the part of human scents, I have to take

responsibility for that. BUT, I didn't mean the stuff from

the " outhouse " either.

I even have a hard time wraping my brain around using extracts derived

from animals. Maybe I spent too much time cleaning up after them LOL

I have friends raising goats for example, and as curious as I am about

the Goat hair tincture, I can't do it, knowing it involves their

urination process. Just as a side note to show where I stand on this -

working on accepting that on a perfumery level though...

However, I really do think, that there are unexplored possibilities

on " signature scents " since ones chemistry does affect the scents.

Like finger prining a scent. In other words, not the cook spitting in

the soup, but the one that's going to eat it.

Different moods also produce different chemicals in ones body -so what

if someone would take a skin swap when really happy -as an exapmle,

use the tincture in an appropriate blend, and this could be worn when

that state is needed.

Or think of newborns' scents (hold the slight sour note, unless that's

desired LOL -moms know, that's the little spit up that seems

everpresent?. That is such a wonderful scent. If we could bottle that,

it would be a most precious memory.

I'm not an expert, I only have crazy ideas, and since tincturing cat

pee hasn't caused a riot, my mind spun it further.

But maybe I should have kept this one to myself, or explained it more

LOL. Sorry about the confusion

ne

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--- sblessinghww <sblessinghww@...> wrote:

> Or think of newborns' scents . That is such a

wonderful scent. If we

> could bottle that,

> it would be a most precious memory.

ne,

I know what you mean. I have often wished I could

bottle the scent of my three-year-old son's hair.

Also my daughter, Stella, who is nine, says she would

like to make a perfume of our puppy, , who she

says smells like " honey, hay, fritos, and fresh guinea

pig. " (If anyone wants to try this combo, you have our

permission LOL.)

But, these are the smells of love and I don't believe

they can ever be bottled.

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sblessinghww

if someone would take a skin swap when really happy -as an exapmle,

use the tincture in an appropriate blend, and this could be worn when

that state is needed.

> >>>this is getting into the realms of Suskinds 'perfume' / grin>>>

Or think of newborns' scents (hold the slight sour note, unless that's

desired LOL -moms know, that's the little spit up that seems

everpresent?. That is such a wonderful scent. If we could bottle that,

it would be a most precious memory.

>>>> or the back of the neck or top of the

head............ooooh................................janita>>>>>>>>>

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I love this topic. It is something I have been thinking about myself lately,

especially with the

movie 'Perfume' being released soon. It is interesting I think that over the

years I have noticed

that a mans' natural smell would be my indicator of how much I liked or didn't

like him. When

intimately involved with a male the way they smell, or rather the way I react to

their smell is

everything to me. I suffer from a common female syndrome the " wake up one

morning and

I'm gone off you " syndrome. I have to say that smell was alway the number one

indicator for

me. The syndrome usually kicks in with me within the first one to six months and

if it doesn't

happen during this time then it doesn't happen at all, so my husband is safe!!!

Its funny but

when you really are in love with someone, be it your baby or your lover, you

love their smell,

even their 'unwashed' (I didn't want to be too descriptive) smell.

I have been searching on the net and saw a lot of stuff about human pheromones,

does

anyone know where that stuff comes from. Can it be used in natural perfume?

Although I

don't know if I truly like the idea. Like I can't imagine or rather don't want

to imagine how

they collect the stuff, EEEYEW!

Ruth

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Re: On goat hair tincture and human pheromones..

and bee goo and ambergris, etc.

It is interesting I think that over the years I have noticed

that a mans' natural smell would be my indicator of how much I liked or didn't

like him.

Ruth

I'm so glad to read your message! I'm not so strange after all. A person's

natural smell means a lot to me. I find that I cannot date a man if I don't

like the way he smells. I can tell almost immediately if I could ever be with

this person for a long term.

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--- In , " " <jlynn2@...> >

> I'm so glad to read your message! I'm not so strange after all.

A person's natural smell means a lot to me. I find that I cannot

date a man if I don't like the way he smells. I can tell almost

immediately if I could ever be with this person for a long term.

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>

This is so interesting. When my husband and I were dating (after a

20-year break from each other) he often smelled faintly of

raspberries -- not because of any products he used, but just because

that's how he smelled. I love raspberries. And I remember that all

those years ago (when we dated in the 80s), I was very attracted to

the way he smelled. Unfortunately, now that we've been married for

a couple of years, he no longer smells of raspberries. I've always

wondered if it's because he changed his diet and stopped smoking.

Not that I can STAND being around a smoker, but.... I just wonder if

that contributed to his unique and pleasant aroma. Or maybe it's

because his triglycerides were sky-high (he's pre-diabetic). I've

read that diabetics can have a sweet odor about them at times.

And I dated a man years ago becuase he pursued me relentlessly (in a

romantic way, at the time) , even though the first time I met him I

almost passed out from his odor (not in a good way). Needless to

say, he is a thing of my past, known now only as The Psycho. What

ever was I thinking to give in to his romantic ploy? The nose

knows! I should have listened to it!

Andrine

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--- " Andrine C. Olson-Kirschenman "

<midvale808@...> wrote:

> --- In , " "

> <jlynn2@...> >

> > I'm so glad to read your message! I'm not so

> strange after all.

> A person's natural smell means a lot to me. I find

> that I cannot

> date a man if I don't like the way he smells.

> Andrine

>

This reminded me that when my daughter was in

preschool, she told me that she picked her friends

according to their smell. She said that she couldn't

be friends with a kid named because,

although he was nice, he had a bad smell. Her best

friend, Mira, had a good smell. I thought this was

just terrible at the time and told her not to judge

people so unfairly (they were just so little). But

maybe she was doing the natural thing. When I think

about it, I can remember the exact, wonderful smells

of each person I have loved.

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>

> I have been searching on the net and saw a lot of stuff about human

pheromones, does

> anyone know where that stuff comes from. Can it be used in natural

perfume? Although I

> don't know if I truly like the idea. Like I can't imagine or rather

don't want to imagine how

> they collect the stuff, EEEYEW!

>

> Ruth

>

Ruth, I so agree with everything you wrote (I had a hard time deciding

what to snip LOL)

To the above quote, I keep hearing about it, but never did extensive

research on it. I thought a lot about it, along with animal based

substances, and it seems to me, to work with each own's chemistry would

be the best choice (regardless of prefered source...)

As many attested, smell is a very instinctive base reaction, we can't

overrule easily. In Germany we have sayings like " can't smell a person "

in literal translation, the equal here being " can't stand someone " or if

something upsets someone, they phrase is " this stinks to me " -come to

think of it, english also has that expression, shortened to " this

stinks " -even though there is no scent.

I can't see how someone elses pheromones would do quite the same as ones

own. I could be wrong, but I can imagine, like someone else mentioned,

all kinds of " cats " could be following you home, which one would not

normally attract..... LOL I liked that statement

Regarding the scents of love - I loved reading the various posts about

this. I have this crazy idea, that it would be so wonderful, if they

could be indeed preserved. These scents, are afterall caused by natural

chemical reactions, designed to serve a purpose.

Think of the incredible cuteness of little ones -babies, toddlers, and

even puppies. It's all about survival, and yet we can react to someone

elses baby's cuteness as well as our own (even if our own are the cutest

and smell the best LOL).

Photography and home video aren't all that old, before that, capturing

these angels were a luxury only the rich could afford, by hiring a

-hopefully-talented painter.

Much that we take for granted today was unthinkable, even laughed at -so

why not think, that it really is possible to create scent memories, we

can put with the picture album LOL

I only know about the movie perfume, what has been discussed here, and

I'm not sure I find it intriguing enough to want to explore it further,

but I have thought for a long time that scent creations -a different

level of aromatherapy maybe..- could have severe psychological impact

possibilities. I'm sure everyone had the phrase " the scent of fear " -it

follows, there has to be scents of peace, happienes..... I could go on

forever, it's been on my mind for so long. Too crazy to talk about, and

when it came up here, I managed to initially get it out all wrong LOL

-again sorry about that. Hope all this makes sense.

I'm trying to condense a lot of thought and theory in a fairly short

version, knowing I won't be the one, genius enough to pull it off, but

maybe someone here could. Seems like a good idea. Maybe the next step

would be scentography, and smells with TV... LOL . Count me in as a

customer.

If nothing else, it's a nice thought.

I throughly enjoyed the discussion about " femme " as well. Especially the

blog info on its creation. Seems the most wonderful creations are born

out of distruction and decay - on many levels. Always good to get

confirmation that it all makes sense in the end.

Thanks, ne

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When I think

about it, I can remember the exact, wonderful smells

of each person I have loved.

Hi

> These smells permeate through to clothing........ how often I have heard say

'I love it because it smells of you'............children take tshirts or

something of their loved ones as a comfort or security if one parent is away

from home.... married couples who have lost their loved one taken articles of

their clothing to bed as the smell on their clothing remind them of their

beloved.. Even in some children their own 'blankie' or special 'soft toy' is

not allowed to be washed for that pure reason of smell..... they recognise their

own smell on it and it is a comfort, a security.

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Maybe the next step would be scentography, and smells with TV...

LOL . Count me in as a customer.

Thanks, ne

ne,

Funny that you mentioned that. Just for the campy fun of it -- have

you seen the 1981 Waters movie, Polyester, which states that it

was filmed in " Odorama " ? For those who are wondering, upon entering

the theater, each film-goer received a Scratch-n-sniff card with

several numbered odor spots on it. Each of the card's odor spots

had a number. At various times during the film, there was a visibly

odoriferous occurrence. At that time, a number would flash on the

screen. The viewers then scratched and sniffed the scent patch with

that number on their Odorama card, which corresponded with the

occurrence in the film. I thought it was a total hoot -- but then

I'm a Waters fan. Of course, all the smells were cheap and

gimmicky, but it was still fun. Has anyone else out there seen this

movie? (Certainly a very far cry from the likes of " Perfume " ...)

<grin>

Andrine

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These smells permeate through to clothing........ how often I have

heard say 'I love it because it smells of you'............

When I was travelling to the opposite coast to teach in Toronto and

Montreal, I would take one of my husband's worn cashmere sweaters with

me. I would " dress " the other pillow on the bed in this sweater, thus

trying to trick my subconscious nose into thinking he was there next

to me so that I could sleep at night. Funny that we in America call

them " sweaters " . Hmmm.....

Andrine

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--- " Andrine C. Olson-Kirschenman "

<midvale808@...> wrote:

Has anyone else out

> there seen this

> movie? (Certainly a very far cry from the likes of

> " Perfume " ...)

> <grin>

>

> Andrine

>

Of course! I come from Baltimore!

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