Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 On 01/09/06, ambientgravity33 <tisserand@...> wrote: > I have seen " lican oil " offered on several websites, as an essential oil cold-pressed from a > herb. The botanical name is always given as " lichenperiata " . Surely there are no essential > oils that are cold-pressed from herbs, and all botanical names are binomial - there are > two words, not one. So I'm puzzled and confused. Does anyone know what this is? > > Tisserand Hi I searched for Lican oil and found a reference to CHHARILA(LICAN)OLEO so searched for CHHARILA OLEO. This lead me to Parmelia Perlata. http://www.rakeshin.com/prod05.htm Could this be the oil referred to? HTH LLx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 > I have seen " lican oil " offered on several websites, as an essential oil cold-pressed from a > herb. The botanical name is always given as " lichenperiata " . Surely there are no essential > oils that are cold-pressed from herbs, and all botanical names are binomial - there are > two words, not one. So I'm puzzled and confused. Does anyone know what this is? > > Tisserand Hi, I have this oil, smells very much like some kind of moss. I got it from New Directions. Have also wondered about this, so I emailed them a couple of weeks ago and they promised to chase it up with their supplier. Will post any reply I get from them here. Boris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Edited to correct top post..... > I have seen " lican oil " offered on several websites, as an essential oil cold-pressed from a > herb. The botanical name is always given as " lichenperiata " . Surely there are no essential > oils that are cold-pressed from herbs, and all botanical names are binomial - there are > two words, not one. So I'm puzzled and confused. Does anyone know what this is? > > Tisserand Hi, I have this oil, smells very much like some kind of moss. I got it from New Directions. Have also wondered about this, so I emailed them a couple of weeks ago and they promised to chase it up with their supplier. Will post any reply I get from them here. Boris I looked up Lichen periata, and found what seems to me(on a " scan " of the document) that it may be an Oak moss from Surrey (I don't know where that is ) If it truly is Lichen, then it is a moss of some kind. And since I know just enough to get me in to trouble I truly can't say if I m right or if I'm wrong, but on first glance I think I remember from Highschool Biology that anything with Lichen in the name is a type of moss (ish) entity growing on other plants and stuff for sustenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 At 04:06 AM 9/1/2006, you wrote: >Hi >I searched for Lican oil and found a reference to CHHARILA(LICAN)OLEO >so searched for CHHARILA OLEO. This lead me to Parmelia Perlata. > http://www.rakeshin.com/prod05.htm >Could this be the oil referred to? Liz, http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/aboutayurveda/cahp.htm Scroll down for Parmela peralta. Anya http://anyasgarden.com/perfumes.htm Parfums Natural http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://.com The Premier Natural Perfume Site Gateway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 All this lichen talk has me sentimental for a perfume oil I got in Berkeley in '72. It was in a little round bottle, maybe 5 ml, with a round paper tag label attached on a string around the neck. I still have a smidgen of " Alpine Lichen " . I believe the perfumer's name was something. It had two separate layers -- a titration. You had to shake it, of course, before use, and the light, slightly mossy, slightly woody/herbal oil had a sweet topnote that was very minty, smelled like spearmint. A lichen is a symbiotic relationship between an algae and a moss (botanist hat on) so at the time I truly believed it was a distilled lichen because of the titration. Still don't know if there was perfume " oil " in there -- it smells very natural. Oh, how I searched for more of it, never found it. Does the oil you got have two layers? Does it have a slight spearmint note? Anya http://anyasgarden.com/perfumes.htm Parfums Natural http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://.com The Premier Natural Perfume Site Gateway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 > > I have seen " lican oil " offered on several websites, as an essential > oil cold-pressed from a > > herb. The botanical name is always given as " lichenperiata " . Tisserand > > I have this oil, smells very much like some kind of moss. I got it from > New Directions. Boris > > I looked up Lichen periata, and found what seems to me(on a " scan " of the > document) that it may be an Oak moss from Surrey (I don't know where that is > ) If it truly is Lichen, then it is a moss of some kind. > >Hi >I searched for Lican oil and found a reference to CHHARILA(LICAN)OLEO >so searched for CHHARILA OLEO. This lead me to Parmelia Perlata. > http://www.rakeshin.com/prod05.htm >Could this be the oil referred to? Liz, http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/aboutayurveda/cahp.htm Scroll down for Parmelia perlata. Anya OK, so the plant is called Parmelia perlata, also known as stone flower, or lican. Like oakmoss it is a lichen, not a moss, and the essential oil smells mossy. It was coming out of Australia, but is now coming from Surrey, in England, but that quality is not very good. Boris, does the sample you have seem like an absolute or a distilled oil? Tisserand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ambientgravity33 Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: Lican oil I have seen " lican oil " offered on several websites, as an essential oil cold-pressed from a herb. The botanical name is always given as " lichenperiata " . Surely there are no essential oils that are cold-pressed from herbs, and all botanical names are binomial - there are two words, not one. So I'm puzzled and confused. Does anyone know what this is? Tisserand Good morning , others interested, Parmelia periata (known commonly as lichenperiata, cherela (Charila in Hindi) or yellow lichin, is found in many E. Indian Ayurvedic tonic health formulas such as Lububaat, a long-term sex problem preparation. I have only seen it as a dried herb. It could be an infused oil that these sites are referring to. Be Well, Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com " Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from Nigeria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Anya Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 7:36 AM Subject: Re: Lican oil All this lichen talk has me sentimental for a perfume oil I got in Berkeley in '72. It was in a little round bottle, maybe 5 ml, with a round paper tag label attached on a string around the neck. I still have a smidgen of " Alpine Lichen " . I believe the perfumer's name was something. Hi Anya, , Liz, I've long wanted to learn more about the wonderful lichen and mosses here in the PNW and I've been able to find a bit of time for some experimenting with bryophytes here in the PNW rainforest to see what I might tincture for aromatics . . . Nothing earth-shaking to report yet, but I will share samples when I think we've got something good. Meanwhile, I think I've also located a neighboring non-neutered goat herd to approach for some musky experiments. :-) Be Well, Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com " Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from Nigeria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 > Boris, does the sample you have seem like an absolute or a distilled oil? > > Tisserand > Boris, does the sample you have seem like an absolute or a distilled oil? > > Tisserand Hello and the rest of the sleuths, I have no idea, to be honest. However, my gut feeling is that it is NOT distilled. I have compared the following that I have: 1. Lican oil from New Directions 2. Evernia Prunastri resinoid 50% from a Swedish supplier 3. Evernia Prunastri absolute from Essential Oil University I have dabbed a little of each on a piece of paper and you can hopefully see the difference in consistency and texture - I just had access to my mobile phone camera, so the photo is as good as it gets. I have uploaded a photo here: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=231388063 & size=o <http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=231388063 & size=o> Lican is very light in colour, and more subtle in fragrance than the other two, but still very similar to them. It is thicker than the absolute I have, almost the same consistency as the resinoid. It does have somewhat of a " spearmint note " as Anya suggested. I am not sure about the two layers, as I can not see through the bottle due to the label being stuck all around it. Surely with so many questions, New Directions must get to the bottom of this soon. All the best, Boris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 At 07:55 PM 9/1/2006, you wrote: >I have uploaded a photo here: > >http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=231388063 & size=o ><http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=231388063 & size=o> > >Lican is very light in colour, and more subtle in fragrance than the >other two, but still very similar to them. It is thicker than the >absolute I have, almost the same consistency as the resinoid. It does >have somewhat of a " spearmint note " as Anya suggested. I am not sure >about the two layers, as I can not see through the bottle due to the >label being stuck all around it. Ah...ah...ah.....must have! Pour it into another bottle so you can see! I beseech you...ah...ah..ah. This may be the holy grail I've been looking for for over 30 years. Yes, it had a thick consistency, and the spearmint note. Next, somebody will find me the Ferula sumbul EO. Be still my heart. > Anya http://anyasgarden.com/perfumes.htm Parfums Natural http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://.com The Premier Natural Perfume Site Gateway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 > Ah...ah...ah.....must have! Pour it into another bottle so you can see! I > beseech you...ah...ah..ah. This may be the holy grail I've been looking > for for over 30 years. Yes, it had a thick consistency, and the spearmint note. > > Next, somebody will find me the Ferula sumbul EO. > > Be still my heart.> > Anya However, my gut feeling is that it is NOT > distilled. All the best, > Boris > Nice pic Boris! I first noticed Lican oil on the Well, Naturally site (was it only yesterday?) - Anya, you probably know these folks.. They say (as do others) that lican is cold-pressed, so maybe it is a very aromatic fatty oil. Boris - does it feel greasy? I hope this is indeed your holy grail Anya - maybe will go well with goat hair : ) Tisserand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 >A lichen is a symbiotic relationship between an algae and a moss Ok - I can't keep from butting in, and sorry for doing so merely in correcting what was probably just a typo, given your botanical training. This one falls squarely into my area of expertise, being a former mycologist. LIchens are actually formed when a FUNGUS and an alga form a mutualistic symbiosis. The fungus is often a type of " cup fungus " or discomycete. The fungi and the plants (and as in this case, the algae) often pair up like this to their mutual benefit - mycorrhizal relationships in forests, mosses pair up with certain mushrooms, and, of course, the lichens. I use a little trick to help my students remember this, a story which basically boils down to Freddy Fungus and Alice Alga taking a LICHEN (ha ha) to each other. No, I didn't coin this one. Now, back to perfume: what is intiguing about the various oakmoss/treemoss, etc. oils is their fungal origin - not many perfume raw materials coming from fungi, are there? I mean, there are the porcini or cepes extractions, probably someone has used some truffle oils of some kind, and then the various lichens. Can anyone think of any other aromatic preparations from fungi? I don't recall with agarwood - is it a fungus or a bacterium that's involved? I seem to recall that a mycologist ( Blanchette?) has been working on inducing agarwood formation, so I am guessing it is a fungus. In the mushroom lab, we always used odor as a characteristic when identifying certain groups of fungi (we even had one of those wine odor wheel classification systems to help us be bit less subjective in our description of aromas). There are fungi that smell like chlorine, cream-of-wheat, shrimp, almond oil, patchouli/cinnamon (matsutake), and a number of far less pleasant things I prefer not to mention. I think the fungus kingdom has been under-utilized in aromatic creations (the fungi probably aren't complaining) so I have to give the Evernia and other lichens a " fungal high five " when the chance to educate presents itself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 I think the fungus kingdom has been under-utilized in aromatic creations (the fungi probably aren't complaining) so I have to give the Evernia and other lichens a " fungal high five " when the chance to educate presents itself! Do you think it's because well (some of the " not so nice " smells they carry)? I mean yes there is a place for Scatological smells in perfumery, but Me being highly allergic to most (wood fungus/molds) would have a hard time using anything that has been expressed/tinctured/distilled from some of the more " pungent " woods/fungi/molds and I think that " fungi " have gotten a bad wrap pretty much outside of the food market, and the illicit drug market. I think that the the distillers/pressers should look into it though, because what smells more like earth than some of the wondrous fungi and think of how that would open the natural perfume market to a new world of opportunities, and how awesome would that be as a note in a perfume... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 > > > > > <There are fungi that smell like > chlorine, cream-of-wheat, shrimp, almond oil, patchouli/cinnamon (matsutake), and a > number of far less pleasant things I prefer not to mention.> > > That's interesting because I've always thought that the common button mushrooms that you buy in supermarkets smell " fishy " when they go bad. That one that smells like patchouli/cinnamon sounds intrigueing. If you don't want to say it, I will(I have a knack for saying what people are thinking but dont want to say-I " go there " ), some mushrooms smell like body funk! Especially truffles. The first time I smelled/tasted a truffle product(I've never actually had an actual truffle), I was like " ooohhh, hmmm, whoa, my god this reminds me of... " . Okay, so maybe I won't quite go there after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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