Re: how much rose plant material to make EO/Absolute

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I read the list articles. But still am a little foggy as I am thinking

of planting some rare rose bushes. So how much rose petals, material

would I need to create an absolute. (Butch says roses dont make a good

EO?)

thanks, Rory

Hi Rory,

When I first learned of the existence of attar of roses (many, many

years ago), in the 1970s I think, I was very intrigued to learn that

it took 100 lbs of rose petals to make one ounce. Now, I have not had

that proven to me, but that has stuck with me all these years. And no

wonder the stuff is so precious and costly. Also, maybe " modern

technology " has improved on the process so that there is a higher

yield. The technique that I learned about for the attar had the rose

petals soaking in water, and the oil or attar would float to the top

of the water, where it was then skimmed off. Interesting.... : )

Andrine

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Maior wrote:

>

> I read the list articles. But still am a little foggy as I am thinking

> of planting some rare rose bushes. So how much rose petals, material

> would I need to create an absolute. (Butch says roses dont make a good

> EO?)

Hi...

Not sure what you mean by Butch saying roses don't make a good EO....

Turkish Rose Otto is Butch's specialty...that and the Oreganos...

Finer than frog's hair, as he might put it..

Rose Otto is what I would consider a *great* EO.....but maybe there's a

technical difference which which I'm ignoring....? Rose Otto is a

distilled essence....as opposed to an absolute, which is solvent

extract...therefore I think of it as an EO...

Distilled with skill and cohabitation..... the Turkish Rose Otto is

quite possibly one of the *finest* essences I've ever come across...

Puts most any Rose absolute I've ever run across to shame...

And...though expensive, you can invest in it and age it...

In using it, NP focus....usually requires a fair amount of dilution...

An absolute it another matter...there's a number of steps with the

solvent procedure, wax removal, etc, and the further rendering to the

final absolute...

Where it gets interesting, is how much rose material actually goes into

the production of a Rose Otto....or, an absolute for that matter...

The numbers are daunting.....

BUTCH!.....info from yer archives time, methinks is due...

I have tinctured rose petal (dried) from our local Co-op here in

Milwaukee....

After much time, and several recharges, I did wind up with a 95% alcohol

perfume base slightly tinted with Odor de Rose...

It's been aging for a couple of years now, and each year the alcohol

sting has lessened...

Regards...

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

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> Rose Otto is what I would consider a *great* EO.....Distilled with skill and

cohabitation..... the Turkish Rose Otto is quite possibly one of the *finest*

essences I've

ever come across...

>

> W. Bourbonais

> L'Hermite Aromatique

>

Cohabitation! Love it! I'm with you . Well, what I mean is, I agree with you

that

cohabitation with essential oils is a groovy thing. Something we all have in

common I

guess. Cohobation, on the other hand (weird word admittedly) is the process of

repeating

distillation to capture as many aromatic molecules as possible. Cohabitation

much more

fun though.

Tisserand

Your friendly but slightly pain-in-the-ass editor

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>Cohabitation! Love it! I'm with you . Well, what I mean is, I agree with

you that

>cohabitation with essential oils is a groovy thing. Something we all have in

common I

>guess.

ROTFLMAO !!!! made my evening. Now I can go to sleep with a smile.

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Tisserand wrote:

>

> > Rose Otto is what I would consider a *great* EO.....Distilled with skill and

> > cohabitation..... the Turkish Rose Otto is quite possibly one of the

*finest* > > essences I've ever come across...

> >

> Cohabitation! Love it! I'm with you . Well, what I mean is, I agree with

you that

> cohabitation with essential oils is a groovy thing. Something we all have in

common I

> guess. Cohobation, on the other hand (weird word admittedly) is the process of

> repeating distillation to capture as many aromatic molecules as possible. >

Cohabitation much more fun though.

OK...OK....!

Mea Culpa...

DUH......!

Cohobation is the correct term...of course...in distillations, at any

rate....

Happens when I don't check my refs, before I post...and pop off from

memory...

Other things on my mind too...<G>...!

She has the prettiest female eyes on the planet, you see....and she's in

Dallas until tomorrow afternoon...

You know what I meant, though...

On the other hand....

Isn't that what's kind of happening in the process....<G>....?

In no way am I implying what goes on in a rose distillery....is other

than distilling...and cohobation...

But then again....with all of that permeating the atmosphere....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

[Guest guest]

>

> I read the list articles. But still am a little

> foggy as I am thinking

> of planting some rare rose bushes. So how much rose

> petals, material would I need to create an

absolute. (Butch says

> roses dont make a good

I read that the petals of 30 cabbage roses equals one

drop of Rose Absolute

Bb

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Maior <rory12001@...> wrote: I read the list articles. But still am a

little foggy as I am thinking

of planting some rare rose bushes. So how much rose petals, material

would I need to create an absolute. (Butch says roses dont make a good

EO?)

thanks, Rory

Albas, Centifolias, Bourbans, Mosses, Damasks, ............. love the roses

janita

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" Distilled with skill and cohabitation..... the Turkish Rose Otto is

quite possibly one of the *finest* essences I've ever come across... "

Hi ,

I am right there with you regarding the Turkish rose essences. The

Turkish people love their roses and have some of the sweetest rose

plantations and distillation facilities. There is a really nice farm

called Sebat Ticaret, google them for the web site, they are very

hospitalble to visitors during the harvest and, Hasan, the youngest

son speaks good English. They also have the world's largest rose

absolute processing facility. Rose otto and absolute are availabe

for purchase, but must be procured at least, by the kilo, and the

money wire transfered to their bank. Turkey is a magnificent country

and has so much to offer. Then next time I go back, I am going to

visit the temple of Artemis before going to see the roses again.

Rose water can be made with a home still as it takes many, many

roses to make the otto. The farmer's wife made us some rose petal

jam, in her kitchen. If I can figure out how to send this group some

pics of that, I will.

Best,

Debbie

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bourbonais

Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:13 PM

Subject: Re: Re: how much rose plant material to make

EO/Absolute

But then again....with all of that permeating the atmosphere....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

(Deep throaty chuckle) . . . All that permeating and penetrating, we

might(see eyelashes flutter coyly) say???? Let's face it, scent will always

connote sexuality . . .from Ectocarpene to Zazel (maybe even including

Gaydar for all I know).

Can't help ourselves, Anya, I'm afraid discussions here are occasionally

going to head, errr, South.

<Big Grin>

Be Well,

Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com

" Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from

Nigeria

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Marcia Elston <samara@...> wrote:

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But then again....with all of that permeating the atmosphere....

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

(Deep throaty chuckle) . . . All that permeating and penetrating, we

might(see eyelashes flutter coyly) say???? Let's face it, scent will always

connote sexuality . . .from Ectocarpene to Zazel (maybe even including

Gaydar for all I know).

Can't help ourselves, Anya, I'm afraid discussions here are occasionally

going to head, errr, South

>>>>>>>>>>

Dear NP

I can't help wonder , chuckle , laugh, insight at all of you all.... Your

generosity of spirit, education, humour is quite extraordiinary..... I have

worked with some wonderful musicians and I can't help placing this spirit in a

class of its own....

a great privilege and a pleasure....... mes amies.....from all of worlds

compass

janita

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[Guest guest]

Soo what's the bottom line, folks?

30 roses = 1 drop essential oil?

100lb = 1oz essential oil?

And how does this compare to the absolute?

As much as the conversation about roses fascinate me, I am eager to

get these facts sorted out!

Thanks,

Ayala

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Ayala Moriel Parfums

http://www.AyalaMoriel.com/

My SmellyBlog: http://SmellyBlog.com/

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--- Ayala Sender <ayala@...> wrote:

> Soo what's the bottom line, folks?

> 30 roses = 1 drop essential oil?

> Thanks,

>

> Ayala

Sorry I said 30 cabage roses equals 1 drop of

absotlute

if I said EO I was wrong this figure was about

absolutes

Bb

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[Guest guest]

" Soo what's the bottom line, folks?

30 roses = 1 drop essential oil?

100lb = 1oz essential oil? "

Hi, all I can tell you is is this.

when we filled copper stills in Isparta we used

500 kilos of roses to 1500 kilos water

and that yielded approx. 3.3 ounces or rose otto.

soooo.....

1 kilo of rose petals would yield approximately

0.165 of a drop. Low yeild equals high cost of

rose otto.

Best,

Debbie

[Guest guest]

> Soo what's the bottom line, folks?

> 30 roses = 1 drop essential oil?

> 100lb = 1oz essential oil?

>

> Thanks,

> Ayala

>

I don't know about yield from absolute, but I believe the yield from otto is

about 0.02%, so

5,000 lb of blossoms to produce 1 lb of oil, or 300 lb to produce 1 oz. The low

yield is

one reason for the high price of the otto.

I'm sure Butch knows more than I on this.

Tisserand

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________________________________

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lynn

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:28 AM

Subject: Re: how much rose plant material to make

EO/Absolute

Well Anya, I have to say, in this group the old addage 'You learn

something new everyday' applies in spades. Although I understood the

portmanteau of Gaydar, I had to go to the dictionary for the

others....Algae, and interesting movies.

Thanks Marcia for the enlightenment!

Lynn

Lynn, I just hope your mother doesn't call me up one day and accuse me of

corrupting you!! :-) And, I must admit I haven't actually seen the movie I

referenced . . . Think I'd rather see " Perfume " first.

Be Well,

Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com

" Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from

Nigeria

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>

> Lynn, I just hope your mother doesn't call me up one day and accuse

me of

> corrupting you!! :-) And, I must admit I haven't actually seen the

movie I

> referenced . . . Think I'd rather see " Perfume " first.

>

> Be Well,

> Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com

> " Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from

> Nigeria

>

Don't worry, she stopped having concerns over corruption 20 yrs ago.

Now she just worries over my health...whether I took my vitamins, and

are my kids treating me well. And oh yes, how soon I'll get another

batch of her favorite Scented lotion to her. Speaking of which I just

put my order in with Butch for his hydrosol, among others. Going to

mix it up for mom a bit this fall.

I too want to see Perfume, but probably won't til it comes out in

video, not fond of movie theaters.