Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 > Hey folks, > > I've babbled a bit with a couple of you about the > scent I'm trying to > make, and Libby suggested I make it a general > discussion, so here goes... > > The scent I'm working on formulating is supposed to > capture the > essence of the West Coast of Canada, so I'm looking > for a nautical > character, *maybe* a little salty or saltwatery, but > with Cedar as a > basenote, and perhaps some pine needle in it for > that real British > Columbia aroma. I've been told that stuff like > Calone or maritima are > good for a seaweed-like note, but I think those are > synthetic, no? > > And as I said to Libby yesterday, I'm looking for > fresh and maritime > more than rotting fish, so I'm willing to forego the > salt. I remember > smelling a great nautical perfume a bunch of years > ago that was just > kind of fresh smelling rather than a whiff of > saltwater, but it still > seemed really ocean-y... So I'm willing to go either > way if I can make > it work. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Jes Hi Jes, I've never made a marine fragrance before, but I'm just taking a stab at this here. I was working with seaweed absolute not too long ago, and directly out of the bottle it reminded me of various other things I like - oakmoss, green tea absolute, and gotu kola absolute. But no matter what I did, when I put it in a formula, that dead fish thing came flying off the top at first sniff. Yuck. So my thinking is, would one of those other three things possibly make a good substitute for the seaweed without the yucky dead fish smell? I'll be very interested in other group members suggestions. The marine scent seems very elusive. -Patty __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Japanese use seafoam in diffusers Live close to an ocean? --- West <tribalpatty@...> wrote: > > Hey folks, > > > > I've babbled a bit with a couple of you about the > > scent I'm trying to > > make, and Libby suggested I make it a general > > discussion, so here goes... > > > > The scent I'm working on formulating is supposed > to > > capture the > > essence of the West Coast of Canada, so I'm > looking > > for a nautical > > character, *maybe* a little salty or saltwatery, > but > > with Cedar as a > > basenote, and perhaps some pine needle in it for > > that real British > > Columbia aroma. I've been told that stuff like > > Calone or maritima are > > good for a seaweed-like note, but I think those > are > > synthetic, no? > > > > And as I said to Libby yesterday, I'm looking for > > fresh and maritime > > more than rotting fish, so I'm willing to forego > the > > salt. I remember > > smelling a great nautical perfume a bunch of years > > ago that was just > > kind of fresh smelling rather than a whiff of > > saltwater, but it still > > seemed really ocean-y... So I'm willing to go > either > > way if I can make > > it work. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > Jes > > > Hi Jes, > > I've never made a marine fragrance before, but I'm > just taking a stab at this here. > > I was working with seaweed absolute not too long > ago, > and directly out of the bottle it reminded me of > various other things I like - oakmoss, green tea > absolute, and gotu kola absolute. But no matter what > I > did, when I put it in a formula, that dead fish > thing > came flying off the top at first sniff. Yuck. > > So my thinking is, would one of those other three > things possibly make a good substitute for the > seaweed > without the yucky dead fish smell? > > I'll be very interested in other group members > suggestions. The marine scent seems very elusive. > > -Patty > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Edited to correct top post and trimmed..... On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, West wrote: >> Hey folks, >> >> I've babbled a bit with a couple of you about the >> scent I'm trying to >> make, and Libby suggested I make it a general >> discussion, so here goes... >> >> The scent I'm working on formulating is supposed to >> capture the >> essence of the West Coast of Canada, so I'm looking >> for a nautical >> character, *maybe* a little salty or saltwatery, but >> with Cedar as a >> basenote, and perhaps some pine needle in it for >> that real British >> Columbia aroma. I've been told that stuff like >> Calone or maritima are >> good for a seaweed-like note, but I think those are >> synthetic, no? <Snip> >> Thanks, >> Jes What about trying sea grass. It is marine, but a true plant, not an algae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 > Live close to an ocean? My store in La Jolla is 2 blocks from the ocean. The smell changes.....high tide ......low tide.......low, low tide.. rotting fish, salt, seaweed.........a wet stone smell.... There is sand, stones, decomposing of many things including wood......plants....shells...garbage....! I have used seaweed absolute...that is just a beginning....green and fish smell. I used to live in Bellevue, Washington in the Seattle area for 10 years.....the water smelled differently there.....Puget Sound had a smell and then when I would go boating or sailing in the ocean it was a different thing altogether. I raced in the Swiftsure - the 30 mile off shore classic between the Canadians and the Americans. Used to sail in British Columbia and Canada in general...Desolation Sound, the Gulf Islands, and Sunshine Coast. Every area we would go hiking, maybe clamming....we got local oysters, shell fish, and whatever was available. Think about plant life, shells, local fish...crab traps... wet lines...wood types..all this is suggestive of walking the beach at the ocean....being out on the water. I think of ocean and sailing or surfing....I love to boogie board....The ocean is a water smell but there is an oxygen smell that can be sweet also....and fresh.....try peppermint... Hope that helped..... See you at sunset....at 8 pm Pacific JoAnne Le Bijou, a natural perfume boutique http://www.JoAnneBassett.com Bassett Aromatherapy products http://www.AromaWorld.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 > > Hey folks, > > I've babbled a bit with a couple of you about the scent I'm trying to > make, and Libby suggested I make it a general discussion, so here goes... > > The scent I'm working on formulating is supposed to capture the > essence of the West Coast of Canada, so I'm looking for a nautical > character, *maybe* a little salty or saltwatery, but with Cedar as a > basenote, and perhaps some pine needle in it for that real British > Columbia aroma. I've been told that stuff like Calone or maritima are > good for a seaweed-like note, but I think those are synthetic, no? > > And as I said to Libby yesterday, I'm looking for fresh and maritime > more than rotting fish, so I'm willing to forego the salt. I remember > smelling a great nautical perfume a bunch of years ago that was just > kind of fresh smelling rather than a whiff of saltwater, but it still > seemed really ocean-y... So I'm willing to go either way if I can make > it work. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Jes > Hi Jes, Like others I am taking a stab at this. I don't have much experience but I will share something which may be of help to you. I live near the sea on the west coast of Ireland. I am often on the beach, the other day when I was walking along the shore I was picking up little shells and interesting stones as one tends to do. I was with my one year old daughter at the time. I began smelling everything I picked up and then letting my little girl have a smell too. I noticed that certain shells, especially the mother of pearl types or the well weathered ones had a very sweet, clean and fresh air type smell. I thought about collecting them and grinding them to a powder to tincture. I imagine that they would have to be prepared very quickly after collecting. I don't know, it's a bit of a crazy thought but I do intend to try it as soon as I find the time. TTFN Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Edited to correct top post and trimmed..... > Hi Jes, > > Like others I am taking a stab at this. I don't have > much experience > but I will share something which may be of help to > you. I live near > the sea on the west coast of Ireland. I am often on > the beach, the > other day when I was walking along the shore I was > picking up little > shells and interesting stones as one tends to do. I > was with my one > year old daughter at the time. I began smelling > everything I picked up > and then letting my little girl have a smell too. I > noticed that > certain shells, especially the mother of pearl types > or the well > weathered ones had a very sweet, clean and fresh air > type smell. I > thought about collecting them and grinding them to a > powder to > tincture. I imagine that they would have to be > prepared very quickly > after collecting. I don't know, it's a bit of a > crazy thought but I do > intend to try it as soon as I find the time. > > TTFN > Ruth > slainte Ruth DO that the Japanese do even I think the burn the shell a little first then make the tinc/inf to sue ion medicine. Bb Thig crioch air an t-saoghal ach mairidh ceol agus gaol. The world will come to an end, but music and love will endure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 > > Hey folks, > > > And as I said to Libby yesterday, I'm looking for fresh and maritime > more than rotting fish, so I'm willing to forego the salt. I remember > smelling a great nautical perfume a bunch of years ago that was just > kind of fresh smelling rather than a whiff of saltwater, but it still > seemed really ocean-y... So I'm willing to go either way if I can make > it work. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Jes Jes - I don't have an actual suggestion for you, but I just wanted to mention a discovery I made just yesterday that is sorta pertinent: it's actually a face wash by Alba Organics, called their Sea Mineral cleansing gel. It smells very oceanic indeed, in a very fresh way. It has some algaes and kelp products in it, plus of course the " botanical fragrance " which is their proprietary blend. However that would suggest it is natural, and though we cannot answer which essences they use it would point to there being a natural solution! You might want to get some and if your nose is very good you may be able to figure out what's in it. I myself cannot quite place the notes - it smells much like a spa to me. Hope this helps a little... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 > Hey folks, > > I've babbled a bit with a couple of you about the > scent I'm trying to > make, and Libby suggested I make it a general > discussion, so here goes... > > The scent I'm working on formulating is supposed to > capture the > essence of the West Coast of Canada, so I'm looking > for a nautical > character, *maybe* a little salty or saltwatery, but > with Cedar as a > basenote, and perhaps some pine needle in it for > that real British > Columbia aroma. I've been told that stuff like > Calone or maritima are > good for a seaweed-like note, but I think those are > synthetic, no? > > And as I said to Libby yesterday, I'm looking for > fresh and maritime > more than rotting fish, so I'm willing to forego the > salt. I remember > smelling a great nautical perfume a bunch of years > ago that was just > kind of fresh smelling rather than a whiff of > saltwater, but it still > seemed really ocean-y... So I'm willing to go either > way if I can make > it work. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Jes **************************************************** Hi Jes, Just today I received a sample of olive leaf absolute from White Lotus Aromatics. To my nose, it smells somewhat marine, like seashells. Maybe you could try a sample and see what you think. Also, in my last post, I neglected to mention Choya Nakh, which I bought from Aftelier. It is burned distilled seashells and you can definitely smell the seashell in there, but it's also smoky, so that may not be what you want. -Patty __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 I'm following this thread with interest, and as a natural perfumer, I only want to add a bit: 1. I'm quite happy with either the seaweed/salty scent of green oakmoss, seaweed absolute and tinctured sea veggies. A bit of rosemary also evokes the sea for me. As Pattie wrote, the choya nakh adds more smoke than sea, but there is a touch of it there. 2. I believe the original poster was referring to the ozonic/marine scents that are so popular now, especially since they referenced Calone. These scents only came into being a few years ago due to synthetics like Calone. I doubt we'll ever be able to replicate them with naturals, and I, for one, don't mind, since I find them horrid to my nose. Don't mean to offend anyone that uses them, but they are sharp and very artificially chemically to my nose, and I can't stand to be around anyone wearing them. I think I may be allergic to them also, since they tend to give me some respiratory problems. Anya http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://.com The premier site on Natural Perfume / Biggest, most dynamic natural perfumery chat group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Anya, > 1. I'm quite happy with either the seaweed/salty scent of green oakmoss, > seaweed absolute and tinctured sea veggies. A bit of rosemary also evokes > the sea for me. As Pattie wrote, the choya nakh adds more smoke than sea, > but there is a touch of it there. Yeah, I'm definitely thinking of trying out a few of these. I have to admit that they seem more exciting to me than the synthetics I saw suggested elsewhere. I mean, I try to eat natural as much as possible, so why would I want to slather a bunch of chemical componds on someone's skin? And as for the sharpness and respiratory problems, it's a good thing you mentioned that, as I'm quite asthmatic. Thanks for the heads-up... Jes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Thanks for all the great suggestions, folks. I'm going to order or run out and buy a few of these and try them out. I guarantee I'll have a tonne of questions, of course, but I think that some of these will be great. By the way, I've seen some places that say the base/middle/top notes should be at a ratio of 2:2:1. others say 3:2:1, then yesterday I say a site that said it should be 1:2:3. I'm of half a mind to just ignore all of them and try stuff out, because I'm assuming that the potency of the oils will mean more, in the end, than the theory. But is the re a general rule to start from? I mean *aside* from the contradictory rules I keep finding on-line? Jes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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