Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Hi I have just joined the group. I have been fiddling with essential oils in alcohol,vodka actually for about 9 months or so. I've been meaning to get the grain alcohol for a while. I love it 'natural perfumery' and I just wanted to say hello. I think it might take me a while to find my way around this group. I was reading today that benzoin is a skin sensitiser mainly due to allergens that can be contained in the resin. It was reccommended not to use benzoin for this reason. I made a 2.5% eo spray for a friend who had a reaction where her head went fuzzy, she could not use the spray. She had previously used another spray and had no reaction, the recipe was only slightly different containing bergamot rose ylang ylang and benzoin as the differences. It was one big drop of benzoin in the 125ml bottle and I reckon that is what gave her the reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 On Sep 10, 2006, at 5:41 AM, trulywildbeauty wrote: > Hi I have just joined the group. I have been fiddling with essential > oils in alcohol,vodka actually for about 9 months or so. > I've been meaning to get the grain alcohol for a while. > I love it 'natural perfumery' and I just wanted to say hello. I think > it might take me a while to find my way around this group. > I was reading today that benzoin is a skin sensitiser mainly due to > allergens that can be contained in the resin. It was reccommended not > to use benzoin for this reason. I made a 2.5% eo spray for a friend > who had a reaction where her head went fuzzy, she could not use the > spray. She had previously used another spray and had no reaction, the > recipe was only slightly different containing bergamot rose ylang > ylang and benzoin as the differences. It was one big drop of benzoin > in the 125ml bottle and I reckon that is what gave her the reaction. > > > personally i have used benzoin for many mnay years...oh ...say....at least 15 years no problems. smells like a warm honey and is used in my heart chakra blend along with many others no complaints, evah! xoxox L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 On Sep 10, 2006, at 5:41 AM, trulywildbeauty wrote: > > I was reading today that benzoin is a skin sensitiser mainly due to On 9/10/06, Libby <libby@...> wrote: > > personally i have used benzoin for many mnay years...oh ...say....at > least 15 years > > no problems. > smells like a warm honey and is used in my heart chakra blend along > with many others > > no complaints, evah! > --- I have a coworker who loves one of my formulas that I wear for myself quite a bit, so we were talking about my interest in perfumery and in natural perfumery. She happened to mention that she recently had a nasty reaction to Benzoin, which is apparently also used in the medical world in conjunction with some types of surgeries (I would question this in any other person, but this young lady is a very competent engineer, while having a great deal of common sense). I really like Benzoin and find it a nice compliment to other notes. Now, I am concerned about using it. It must be a rare person that has a problem with it because you are not the only person I've heard mention using it for years, but I think that when I finally decide to go commercial I may indicate somehow on products that contains Benzoin. I might never run into another person with this allergy, but I would be horrified if someone used what I hope will be a wonderful, artisan perfume (when I reach that level) and then have a horrible reaction. Alycia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 trulywildbeauty <jyapes@...> wrote: Hi I have just joined the group. I have been fiddling with essential oils in alcohol,vodka actually for about 9 months or so. I've been meaning to get the grain alcohol for a while>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of alcohol have you been using .? Janita --------------------------------- Copy addresses and emails from any email account to - quick, easy and free. Do it now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 -> --- > > I have a coworker who loves one of my formulas that I wear for myself quite > a bit, so we were talking about my interest in perfumery and in natural > perfumery. She happened to mention that she recently had a nasty reaction > to Benzoin, which is apparently also used in the medical world in > conjunction with some types of surgeries (I would question this in any other > person, but this young lady is a very competent engineer, while having a > great deal of common sense). I really like Benzoin and find it a nice > compliment to other notes. Now, I am concerned about using it. It must be > a rare person that has a problem with it because you are not the only person > I've heard mention using it for years, but I think that when I finally > decide to go commercial I may indicate somehow on products that contains > Benzoin. I might never run into another person with this allergy, but I > would be horrified if someone used what I hope will be a wonderful, artisan > perfume (when I reach that level) and then have a horrible reaction. > > Alycia > Dear Alycia, Here is a scary link which talks about benzoin! > http://www.aromamedical.com/articles/benzoin.html Makes you think doesn't it. I am inclined to think that its a bit of scare mongering though to scare of small beauty and cosmetics manufacturers. Especially in the light of what one reads elsewhere about the dangers and long term side effects of chemicals in cosmetics. What about their insurance companies...what about the risks to unborn children being exposed to phythlates? The way I look on it is this: You are always going to get people who are allergic or have bad reactions to natural products. This doesn't mean they are bad products. If everything contained in the product is listed on the label, and the person is aware if their sensitivities then they will use a different product. Lots of people are allergic to milk, but if a company writes milk as an ingredient in one of their bread products and a person has a reaction, you cannot say that the company who made the product is to blame! Can you? It is an entirely different senario when big cosmetic companies put stuff in their products and DON " T list them. That includes a long list of known TOXINS. So the bottom line is if you are going to use benzoin, good, just list it on the label and advice a patch test if desired. Covered! Ruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 > > Makes you think doesn't it. I am inclined to think that its a bit > of scare mongering though > to scare of small beauty and cosmetics manufacturers. Especially in > the light of what one > reads elsewhere about the dangers and long term side effects of > chemicals in cosmetics. > What about their insurance companies...what about the risks to > unborn children being > exposed to phythlates? > > The way I look on it is this: You are always going to get people > who are allergic or have > bad reactions to natural products. This doesn't mean they are bad > products. If everything > contained in the product is listed on the label, and the person is > aware if their sensitivities > then they will use a different product. > Lots of people are allergic to milk, but if a company writes milk > as an ingredient in one of > their bread products and a person has a reaction, you cannot say > that the company who > made the product is to blame! Can you? > It is an entirely different senario when big cosmetic companies put > stuff in their products > and DON " T list them. That includes a long list of known TOXINS. > > So the bottom line is if you are going to use benzoin, good, just > list it on the label and > advice a patch test if desired. Covered! > > Ruth > ^^^^^^^^i agree with Ruth....the way i am using the benzoin is in oils and such, so it is diluted quite a bit. so, i feel fine ....with my intuition guiding me i mean, they outlawed comfrey....and i have used that plant successfully since a small girl. these things are much of the time political in nature and i have never had a bad reaction reported, just the opposite, benzoin adds life and heart and soul to everything i have ever added it to... i agree that everyone has their own sensitivities, but let's put this into perspective and like Ruth said, it is no where near any crazy chemicals that they sell at the grocery store for house cleaning and those go down through the skin and penetrate into our livers and doa ll kinds of damage. that said, thank you to all who posted, we need to be up on anything dangerous peace, L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 > Here is a scary link which talks about benzoin! > > > http://www.aromamedical.com/articles/benzoin.html > > Makes you think doesn't it. I am inclined to think that its a bit of scare mongering though > to scare of small beauty and cosmetics manufacturers. Especially in the light of what one > reads elsewhere about the dangers and long term side effects of chemicals in cosmetics. > What about their insurance companies...what about the risks to unborn children being > exposed to phythlates? > > The way I look on it is this: You are always going to get people who are allergic or have > bad reactions to natural products. This doesn't mean they are bad products. If everything > contained in the product is listed on the label, and the person is aware if their sensitivities > then they will use a different product. > Lots of people are allergic to milk, but if a company writes milk as an ingredient in one of > their bread products and a person has a reaction, you cannot say that the company who > made the product is to blame! Can you? > It is an entirely different senario when big cosmetic companies put stuff in their products > and DON " T list them. That includes a long list of known TOXINS. > > So the bottom line is if you are going to use benzoin, good, just list it on the label and > advice a patch test if desired. Covered! > > Ruth > I think listing benzoin on labels is *very* sensible advice, though I would not recommend patch testing, which is a pandora's box you don't want to open. There is a low risk of skin reactions from benzoin, but there is equally a low risk from many other substances, some that we use and some we don't. The higher the concentration of any potential skin sensitizer, the greater the risk. If we could quantify this, it might turn out that one in 20,000 people would react to a product containing 2.5% of benzoin, or one in 10,000 to a product containing 5%. These are not actual figures, because we don't have that kind of information for benzoin. But there are two things we know - one, the lower the concentration you use, the less the risk and two, if you're a small manufacturer, and not very many people are using your stuff anyway, you won't see too many reactions. Probably none, though that in itself it not proof that benzoin cannot cause reactions. Tisserand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 --- > > > > trulywildbeauty <jyapes@...> wrote: Hi I have just joined the group. I have been fiddling with essential > oils in alcohol,vodka actually for about 9 months or so. > I've been meaning to get the grain alcohol while>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > What kind of alcohol have you been using .? > Janita > > I have been using vodka it was very easy to access. I heard you need to let the blend sit longer when vodkas involved? I am in Australia any ideas on where to get the grain alcohol? Also my name is . Just been reading my first lot of mail. This is great so exciting, isn't modern technology wonderful. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Copy addresses and emails from any email account to - quick, easy and free. Do it now... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 trulywildbeauty <jyapes@...> wrote: --- > > > >. > I've been meaning to get the grain alcohol while>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > What kind of alcohol have you been using .? > Janita >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am in Australia any ideas on where to get the grain alcohol? Hi I don't know anywhere in Australia...... do you know of any herbal company that makes their own herbal tinctures for sale? If you do they will probably have a holding for grain alcohol ..... and providing you pay full whack on the alcohol (including taxes) you should be able to get some there. But to be safe contact your Custom and Excise department to check that Australia allows that. kind regards Janita haan ascent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Edited to correct top post.... <I am in <Australia any ideas on where to get the grain alcohol? Hi ......In order to purchase grain alcohol in Australia, you must be a registered and approved business. Then... you are requred to purchase an alcohol license...for the use of alcohol in the manufacture of your products. This will cost you tens of thousands of dollars in Aust. I too...would like to purchase alcohol...for perfumery making.....however, it is cost prohibitive, UNLESS, you are prepared to spend thousands .....and.. comply with all the VERY strict guidelines governing the purchase of alcohol. Blessings and (((Hugs))) Halina in Australia " Do what you can, for who you can, with what you have, and where you are. " www.halinasheaven.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 >> > <I am in > <Australia any ideas on where to get the grain > alcohol? Dear , I too am in Australia, as a registered herbalist I have a therapeutic goods act (TGA) license and can obtain ethanol from my local chemist by showing my license. It may be worth checking out these people http://www.ahimsaoils.com.au/ I have never bought anything from them but have had excellant reports from others on their products. They do a alcohol perfume base with benzoin in, they might be worth talking to. It costs $20AU per litre. Warm regards Steena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Halina Ffrench <hffrench@...> wrote: Edited to correct top post.... Hi ......In order to purchase grain alcohol in Australia, you must be a registered and approved business. Then... you are requred to purchase an alcohol license...for the use of alcohol in the manufacture of your products. This will cost you tens of thousands of dollars in Aust. I too...would like to purchase alcohol...for perfumery making.....however, it is cost prohibitive, UNLESS, you are prepared to spend thousands .....and.. comply with all the VERY strict guidelines governing the purchase of alcohol. .. ................................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aloha both Quite right about obtaining a license........ when applying you need to estimate how much alcohol you think you will use at one given year. The license will stipulate that when it is sent to you. But there are loop holes as that is only for denatured alcohol..... However check again as all those thousands of dollars are for businessess who are going to have grain alcohol in vast quantities in what is known as a secure holding, not for the smaller perfumer. Talk to your Customs and Excise ..........they really do try and help if they can as long as you are up front and honest... ask about purchasing alcohol and paying full duty...... but you still have the problem of fnding a business that has a secure holding.... Like I say it took me a long frustrating four years.......... As far as a registered business..... well you have to do that with the tax man anyway if you are setting up. It would help to talk to or have a professional person look over your setup to see you are doing everything correctly to the best of your ability.... mine was a Professor of Botany and Chrissie Wildwood. It can give peace of mind.............. hope this helps and good luck with your search kind regards Janita haan ascent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 At 05:10 AM 9/11/2006, you wrote: >Hi ......In order to purchase grain alcohol in Australia, you must be >a registered and approved business. >Then... you are requred to purchase an alcohol license...for the use of >alcohol in the manufacture of your products. Hi Halina Is this for undenatured (preferred) or denatured? Perhaps they are a bit more lenient with the denatured? We try to avoid denatured, but if it is a block to business because of strict government regs, the poor NPers must have an alternative. Anya http://anyasgarden.com/perfumes.htm Parfums Natural http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://.com The Premier Natural Perfume Site Gateway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 At 06:14 AM 9/11/2006, you wrote: > >> > > <I am in > > <Australia any ideas on where to get the grain > > alcohol? > >Dear , >I too am in Australia, as a registered herbalist I >have a therapeutic goods act (TGA) license and can >obtain ethanol from my local chemist by showing my >license. >It may be worth checking out these people >http://www.ahimsaoils.com.au/ >I have never bought anything from them but have had >excellant reports from others on their products. They >do a alcohol perfume base with benzoin in, they might >be worth talking to. It costs $20AU per litre. >Warm regards >Steena Steena, thanks so much for this information -- it's the first inkling we've gotten in the four years of this group's existence that itis possible to get alcohol in AU at a reasonable price, either through the license (hope it isn't thousands of dollars) or for those who don't mind working with the benzoin as a denaturant, the stuff from ahimsaoils. Anya http://anyasgarden.com/perfumes.htm Parfums Natural http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://.com The Premier Natural Perfume Site Gateway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Edited to trim.... Hi . I am not disputing what you are saying. But up to 10 years ago Australia had the same way of doing things as the UK. Yes you need a License for alcohol but you tell the relevant government body s it is for perfume making, & is Hobby craft. The reason I know this is my Brother has been in Australia for 30 years. 10 years ago he did just that & got his license. Their was a restriction on the amount of Alcohol you can hold If my Memory serves me correctly. It was one gallon per 3 months. Love & Light. Gill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 > > Steena, thanks so much for this information -- it's > the first inkling we've > gotten in the four years of this group's existence > that itis possible to > get alcohol in AU at a reasonable price, either > through the license (hope > it isn't thousands of dollars) or for those who > don't mind working with the > benzoin as a denaturant, the stuff from ahimsaoils. Dear Anya, The license didn`t cost anything except several years hard work at Uni to become a herbalist. I have it because I am in a professional herbalist assocation and prescribe herbal medicines in a tincture form. Warm regards Steena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Anya " <mccoy@...>Hi Halina Is this for undenatured (preferred) or denatured? Perhaps they are a bit more lenient with the denatured? We try to avoid denatured, but if it is a block to business because of strict government regs, the poor NPers must have an alternative. Anya http://anyasgarden.com/perfumes.htm Parfums Natural http://artisannaturalperfumers.com The Artisan Natural Perfumers Guild http://.com The Premier Natural Perfume Site Gateway .................................................................................\ ............................................................................ Hi Anya.....I am referring to use UNDENATURED alcohol. There are very strict guidelines in Aus. for the purchase of alcohol. It is because of all the illegal drug labs...we have a growing drug problem here in Aus. It is easier to obtain denatured alcohol....but I prefer to not use this. (((HUGS))) Halina in Australia " Do what you can, for who you can, with what you have, and where you are. " www.halinasheaven.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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