Mycotoxins and Ammonia

[Guest guest]

Hi. Does anyone have any articles on ammonia and mycotoxins; not in animal

feed or grains but more specifically for interior buildings and furnishings?

Thanks,

Rosie

[Guest guest]

healthier4all <Healthier4All@...> wrote: Hi. Does anyone have any

articles on ammonia and mycotoxins; not in animal

feed or grains but more specifically for interior buildings and furnishings?

Thanks,

Rosie

Hi Rosie,

I can only tell you of my experience with amonia.

My wife and I were both infected with mold mycotoxins.

My wife passed away last year from from the mycotoxins

that were in every organ of her body.

The very day of this a doctor told my neighbors to

not let me back into a trailer we were living in.

He is a doctor that has been in the mold field for

a long time and does research also.He told my neighbors

to make sure that I took L-Cystene 500 mg twice a

day, also he instructed me to take a bath every three days and add 3 cups of

amonia to my bath.

When the doctor and I had to go into the house ( protected in all the gear and

respirater )he had our

neighbor spray us down with a half and half mixture

of amonia once we came out.He also said to use 1 cup per wash load in any

clothes that I had and from now on.Clean with same on any furniture or hard

surface.

Test small area first.

The last time that I had seen him which was about three

months he said that I looked alot better than the first

time.After looking back at the whole experience and its

still going on I wished that I could have had his knowledge right when we were

exposed and maybe my wife would be alive.

I really dont care what others might say about what Im

doing because it has worked for me and I was exposed to the same toxins as my

wife. I only hope that you might try it and see for yourself. Oh and by the way

this

same Dr. tested the amonia on toxins and it showed

that it killed the toxins.

I wish you Luck and God Bless you.

moonshotbuck

[Guest guest]

thank you moon for your post. so sorry to hear about your wife.

this doctor sounds like the same one who I also consider to of been

my life saver. I didn't go into a lot of detail on my past post for

using ammonia, so Im glad you did. I was scared of some people

haveing a reaction to it from MCS although it didn't bother me after

it was watered down, just held my nose and breath while mixing. this

doctor, if were talking about the same one was very nice and careing

and took the time to answer my letter and contacted me. I was so lost

and he helped me alot by takeing time to answer my calls and share

his wisdom. did the l-cysteine make you have pain in your joints?,

I've tried it a few times but quit because of the pain, maybe I need

to stick with it longer. just tired of pain and it seems like my body

is so sensative to pain now, but it scared me because I did not know

why it was causeing this to happen. thinking its got something to do

with the toxins lodged in my glands, dont

know.

Hi. Does anyone have

any articles on ammonia and mycotoxins; not in animal

> feed or grains but more specifically for interior buildings and

furnishings?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Rosie

>

> Hi Rosie,

> I can only tell you of my experience with amonia.

> My wife and I were both infected with mold mycotoxins.

> My wife passed away last year from from the mycotoxins

> that were in every organ of her body.

> The very day of this a doctor told my neighbors to

> not let me back into a trailer we were living in.

> He is a doctor that has been in the mold field for

> a long time and does research also.He told my neighbors

> to make sure that I took L-Cystene 500 mg twice a

> day, also he instructed me to take a bath every three days and

add 3 cups of amonia to my bath.

> When the doctor and I had to go into the house ( protected in all

the gear and respirater )he had our

> neighbor spray us down with a half and half mixture

> of amonia once we came out.He also said to use 1 cup per wash

load in any clothes that I had and from now on.Clean with same on any

furniture or hard surface.

> Test small area first.

>

> The last time that I had seen him which was about three

> months he said that I looked alot better than the first

> time.After looking back at the whole experience and its

> still going on I wished that I could have had his knowledge right

when we were exposed and maybe my wife would be alive.

> I really dont care what others might say about what Im

> doing because it has worked for me and I was exposed to the same

toxins as my wife. I only hope that you might try it and see for

yourself. Oh and by the way this

> same Dr. tested the amonia on toxins and it showed

> that it killed the toxins.

> I wish you Luck and God Bless you.

> moonshotbuck

>

[Guest guest]

I have received conflicting recommendations from two different

scientists on this issue, but I have found ammonia to make nonporous

things that were highly reactive before the cleaning for me

non-reactive.

Important - I think its wise - no, better word - ESSENTIAL - to use

GLOVES when you are cleaning mold-contaminated items with any kind of

solution. Even if people may have told you to bathe in ammonia - bear

in mind that some mycotoxins are *extremely durable and pervasive

poisons*

They may have accumulated in unexpected places, as well.. better safe

than sorry.

I am almost done with my mold cleanup and so far I only had one bad

experience with it, (knock on wood) at the beginning when I made the

mistake of trying to clean some very mold-contaminated 'monster cable'

type speaker wires with 90% rubbing alcohol and no gloves on. I was

thinking that I could just wipe the mold off with a rag and keep the

black parts away from my skin.. it didn't work - I was totally not

thinking but I WON'T make that mistake again...

I have been staying away from the wires, I am going to do them all at

once, in a big barrel or something. yes, I think, with ammonia..and

then out in the sun to dry..

[Guest guest]

We found ammonia to be extremely helpful - but when using a 50/50

ammonia/water mix for spraying - use protection - not just a mask but

respirator that is rated for ammonia (for 3m respirators it's a 6004

cartridge - available thru Amazon). We were worried about cross

contaimination to our home from another source - we washed everything

that would fit in a washer with 2-3 cups ammonia in the water, sprayed

our whole house,car etc. Our son, who has MCS, did the spraying but

with FULL protection - respirator, white suit, gloves, etc. He said he

couldn't even smell the stuff & he has amazing powers of smell) His

MCS is bad enough that he can't go to high school (chemicals galore

and suspected mold) Our dog was outside for the day.

It clears out pretty quickly, doesn't leave a lasting odor. Use all

the fans you have, open all windows with fans blowing out.

We've worked with the same man the rest of you have spoken with about

the ammonia. My husband has kidney cancer (mycotoxins were found

inside the kidney tumor) and we didn't want him to come back from

surgery to a home cross contaiminated with mycotoxins. It took me

about 3 weeks to wash everything (I put the 'clean' items in plastic

bags & sealed them since we were spraying the house as the last step)

We spray the house (not the huge rewashing of everything) every few

weeks just for peace of mind. Use a paint sprayer (Home Depot about

$60-70 Ammonia, $1 for 1/2 gallon. Mycotoxin free home - priceless!)

It didn't ruin a thing - dry cleanables were sprayed inside & out. I

don't have any valuable antiques, paintings, books etc. so I don't

know how it would work on that stuff. I sprayed everything, if it

didn't ruin it great, if it did, too bad - I would have tossed

anything that couldn't be cleaned anyway. I don't have $$ to replace

anything lost, but when it's a 'thing' vs. fighting cancer - 'thing'

loses. If this didn't work, we'd be right out there living on our

driveway like so many others. You don't mess around with cancer.

If you're extremely reactive or don't feel comfortable with ammonia,

try getting a friend or relative to help you out. I've done if for

friends that can't do it or afford to do it.

For the money (less than $100) it's worth the try. There is research

out there that shows ammonia kills mycotoxins. We know from personal

experience that mycotoxins cause cancer. It's a no-brainer in my book.

" who " you're right about this guy - one of the most caring and

concerned individuals in this fight against mold. My husband didn't

have the reaction to L-cyctine that you described. But he had been on

it long before we meet the ammonia guy. I had read in one of the mold

research books how it had been effective (wish I could remember where)

We haven't all been able to do the supplements - we've both been out

of work since 2000, living on savings which are almost gone. My

husband's health was the worst, so we've focused our available funds

on getting him well. My son & I are going to start the same stuff

soon, I'll let you know how we do. He's got cns demylinating,CFS & MCS

& I've got CNS demylinating & FM. We'll pay attention to who feels what!

SW

In , " who " <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

>

> thank you moon for your post. so sorry to hear about your wife.

> this doctor sounds like the same one who I also consider to of been

> my life saver. I didn't go into a lot of detail on my past post for

> using ammonia, so Im glad you did. I was scared of some people

> haveing a reaction to it from MCS although it didn't bother me after

> it was watered down, just held my nose and breath while mixing. this

> doctor, if were talking about the same one was very nice and careing

> and took the time to answer my letter and contacted me. I was so lost

> and he helped me alot by takeing time to answer my calls and share

> his wisdom. did the l-cysteine make you have pain in your joints?,

> I've tried it a few times but quit because of the pain, maybe I need

> to stick with it longer. just tired of pain and it seems like my body

> is so sensative to pain now, but it scared me because I did not know

> why it was causeing this to happen. thinking its got something to do

> with the toxins lodged in my glands, dont

> know.

> Hi. Does anyone have

> any articles on ammonia and mycotoxins; not in animal

> > feed or grains but more specifically for interior buildings and

> furnishings?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Rosie

> >

> > Hi Rosie,

> > I can only tell you of my experience with amonia.

> > My wife and I were both infected with mold mycotoxins.

> > My wife passed away last year from from the mycotoxins

> > that were in every organ of her body.

> > The very day of this a doctor told my neighbors to

> > not let me back into a trailer we were living in.

> > He is a doctor that has been in the mold field for

> > a long time and does research also.He told my neighbors

> > to make sure that I took L-Cystene 500 mg twice a

> > day, also he instructed me to take a bath every three days and

> add 3 cups of amonia to my bath.

> > When the doctor and I had to go into the house ( protected in all

> the gear and respirater )he had our

> > neighbor spray us down with a half and half mixture

> > of amonia once we came out.He also said to use 1 cup per wash

> load in any clothes that I had and from now on.Clean with same on any

> furniture or hard surface.

> > Test small area first.

> >

> > The last time that I had seen him which was about three

> > months he said that I looked alot better than the first

> > time.After looking back at the whole experience and its

> > still going on I wished that I could have had his knowledge right

> when we were exposed and maybe my wife would be alive.

> > I really dont care what others might say about what Im

> > doing because it has worked for me and I was exposed to the same

> toxins as my wife. I only hope that you might try it and see for

> yourself. Oh and by the way this

> > same Dr. tested the amonia on toxins and it showed

> > that it killed the toxins.

> > I wish you Luck and God Bless you.

> > moonshotbuck

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I've also found ammonia to be useful.

When you say 'the supplements' ? Are you talking about the particular

brand he mentioned to me? If so, I would not assume that they are the

only nutrients you can find that will help. I've found that I can buy

most of the nutrients I take in larger quantities, singly, and I save

lots of money that way. Check out vitacost.com, beyond-a-century.com,

etc.

ALA, NAC, etc. are cheap.. if you buy them in large bottles.. (300

caps seems to be the biggest Ive seen..)

I've heard you can also buy them direct from vitamin manufacturers..

(wholesale - by the kilo) then the price can get very, very low..

Please don't criticize me for naming these companies by name.. I am

not affiliated with either of them, (i wish - I could rejoin the ranks

of the employed..!) just trying to help these people out since they

(and I) can't afford 'vitamin retail' prices..

[Guest guest]

-thanks for your post. yes, this guy has spent most of his life

dealing with this and I think he's great. and if we are talking about

the same one, he has recently had his urine test reconized by the CDC

and that stachy (trichathecene mycotoxins) can cause illnesses and

death. him and I had a good laugh when I told him about my adventure

at the post office when sending him my pee through the mail, and how

everyone waiting in line had a good laugh. I had to tell them it was

a liquid, than because of safety reasons had to tell them what kind

of liquid it was. everyone was nice about it. but just hadn't ever

heard of sending pee in the mail before. I have not met him

personally yet, but he's great at returning calls and sometimes calls

just to see how I'm

doing.

-- In , " wiedb "

<wiedb@...> wrote:

>

> We found ammonia to be extremely helpful - but when using a 50/50

> ammonia/water mix for spraying - use protection - not just a mask

but

> respirator that is rated for ammonia (for 3m respirators it's a 6004

> cartridge - available thru Amazon). We were worried about cross

> contaimination to our home from another source - we washed

everything

> that would fit in a washer with 2-3 cups ammonia in the water,

sprayed

> our whole house,car etc. Our son, who has MCS, did the spraying but

> with FULL protection - respirator, white suit, gloves, etc. He said

he

> couldn't even smell the stuff & he has amazing powers of smell) His

> MCS is bad enough that he can't go to high school (chemicals galore

> and suspected mold) Our dog was outside for the day.

> It clears out pretty quickly, doesn't leave a lasting odor. Use all

> the fans you have, open all windows with fans blowing out.

>

> We've worked with the same man the rest of you have spoken with

about

> the ammonia. My husband has kidney cancer (mycotoxins were found

> inside the kidney tumor) and we didn't want him to come back from

> surgery to a home cross contaiminated with mycotoxins. It took me

> about 3 weeks to wash everything (I put the 'clean' items in plastic

> bags & sealed them since we were spraying the house as the last

step)

> We spray the house (not the huge rewashing of everything) every few

> weeks just for peace of mind. Use a paint sprayer (Home Depot about

> $60-70 Ammonia, $1 for 1/2 gallon. Mycotoxin free home - priceless!)

> It didn't ruin a thing - dry cleanables were sprayed inside & out. I

> don't have any valuable antiques, paintings, books etc. so I don't

> know how it would work on that stuff. I sprayed everything, if it

> didn't ruin it great, if it did, too bad - I would have tossed

> anything that couldn't be cleaned anyway. I don't have $$ to replace

> anything lost, but when it's a 'thing' vs. fighting cancer - 'thing'

> loses. If this didn't work, we'd be right out there living on our

> driveway like so many others. You don't mess around with cancer.

>

> If you're extremely reactive or don't feel comfortable with ammonia,

> try getting a friend or relative to help you out. I've done if for

> friends that can't do it or afford to do it.

>

> For the money (less than $100) it's worth the try. There is research

> out there that shows ammonia kills mycotoxins. We know from personal

> experience that mycotoxins cause cancer. It's a no-brainer in my

book.

>

> " who " you're right about this guy - one of the most caring and

> concerned individuals in this fight against mold. My husband didn't

> have the reaction to L-cyctine that you described. But he had been

on

> it long before we meet the ammonia guy. I had read in one of the

mold

> research books how it had been effective (wish I could remember

where)

> We haven't all been able to do the supplements - we've both been out

> of work since 2000, living on savings which are almost gone. My

> husband's health was the worst, so we've focused our available funds

> on getting him well. My son & I are going to start the same stuff

> soon, I'll let you know how we do. He's got cns demylinating,CFS &

MCS

> & I've got CNS demylinating & FM. We'll pay attention to who feels

what!

> SW

>

> In , " who " <jeaninem660@> wrote:

> >

> > thank you moon for your post. so sorry to hear about your wife.

> > this doctor sounds like the same one who I also consider to of

been

> > my life saver. I didn't go into a lot of detail on my past post

for

> > using ammonia, so Im glad you did. I was scared of some people

> > haveing a reaction to it from MCS although it didn't bother me

after

> > it was watered down, just held my nose and breath while mixing.

this

> > doctor, if were talking about the same one was very nice and

careing

> > and took the time to answer my letter and contacted me. I was so

lost

> > and he helped me alot by takeing time to answer my calls and

share

> > his wisdom. did the l-cysteine make you have pain in your

joints?,

> > I've tried it a few times but quit because of the pain, maybe I

need

> > to stick with it longer. just tired of pain and it seems like my

body

> > is so sensative to pain now, but it scared me because I did not

know

> > why it was causeing this to happen. thinking its got something to

do

> > with the toxins lodged in my glands, dont

> >

know.

> > Hi. Does anyone have

> > any articles on ammonia and mycotoxins; not in animal

> > > feed or grains but more specifically for interior buildings and

> > furnishings?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Rosie

> > >

> > > Hi Rosie,

> > > I can only tell you of my experience with amonia.

> > > My wife and I were both infected with mold mycotoxins.

> > > My wife passed away last year from from the mycotoxins

> > > that were in every organ of her body.

> > > The very day of this a doctor told my neighbors to

> > > not let me back into a trailer we were living in.

> > > He is a doctor that has been in the mold field for

> > > a long time and does research also.He told my neighbors

> > > to make sure that I took L-Cystene 500 mg twice a

> > > day, also he instructed me to take a bath every three days

and

> > add 3 cups of amonia to my bath.

> > > When the doctor and I had to go into the house ( protected in

all

> > the gear and respirater )he had our

> > > neighbor spray us down with a half and half mixture

> > > of amonia once we came out.He also said to use 1 cup per wash

> > load in any clothes that I had and from now on.Clean with same on

any

> > furniture or hard surface.

> > > Test small area first.

> > >

> > > The last time that I had seen him which was about three

> > > months he said that I looked alot better than the first

> > > time.After looking back at the whole experience and its

> > > still going on I wished that I could have had his knowledge

right

> > when we were exposed and maybe my wife would be alive.

> > > I really dont care what others might say about what Im

> > > doing because it has worked for me and I was exposed to the

same

> > toxins as my wife. I only hope that you might try it and see for

> > yourself. Oh and by the way this

> > > same Dr. tested the amonia on toxins and it showed

> > > that it killed the toxins.

> > > I wish you Luck and God Bless you.

> > > moonshotbuck

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I had the same experience. And the advice on ammonia is proving to be

very helpful.

I just said that about buying supplements in bulk because I hate to

see people not doing something which might possibly help them -

because of cost.

This world is not a zero sum game. We improve our own situation by

helping others, it doesn't hurt us to have other people thrive - in

the long run, it helps us - i.e. peace and health is synergistic.

[Guest guest]

LiveSimply, You said it was helpful on nonporoused surfaced, so you

don't think it helps clothes? You just throw those away?

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> I have received conflicting recommendations from two different

> scientists on this issue, but I have found ammonia to make nonporous

> things that were highly reactive before the cleaning for me

> non-reactive.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Have you sent sample more than one time to him in order to

see if amount of toxins in urine have gone down? I only had test one

time. A friend who has done much to free herself of mold and toxins

gets retested now and then and amount didn't reduce much.

> the same one, he has recently had his urine test reconized by the

CDC

> and that stachy (trichathecene mycotoxins) can cause illnesses and

> death. him and I had a good laugh when I told him about my adventure

> at

[Guest guest]

--yes, it works for cloths, bedding and use it to wash your pillows

too. anything you can wash.- In

, " barb1283 " <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> LiveSimply, You said it was helpful on nonporoused surfaced, so you

> don't think it helps clothes? You just throw those away?

>

>

> >

> > I have received conflicting recommendations from two different

> > scientists on this issue, but I have found ammonia to make nonporous

> > things that were highly reactive before the cleaning for me

> > non-reactive.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, thanks for all the info from this doctor. I can't image taking

a bath in ammonia though. I thought it was dangerous to breath the

fumes though. Your skin is very poroused and that would mean ammonia

would get into your blood if you soaked for very long. Was idea to

clean your skin and bath short? Did you wear a mask to prevent

breathing it? Any chemicals you breath go right to your head along

with oxygen. Thanks barbb1283

--- In , Leonard <moonshotbuck@...>

wrote:

He told my neighbors

> to make sure that I took L-Cystene 500 mg twice a

> day, also he instructed me to take a bath every three days and add

3 cups of amonia to my bath.

[Guest guest]

-no, I have not been

retested.

-- In , " barb1283 "

<barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Have you sent sample more than one time to him in order to

> see if amount of toxins in urine have gone down? I only had test one

> time. A friend who has done much to free herself of mold and toxins

> gets retested now and then and amount didn't reduce much.

>

>

> > the same one, he has recently had his urine test reconized by the

> CDC

> > and that stachy (trichathecene mycotoxins) can cause illnesses and

> > death. him and I had a good laugh when I told him about my

adventure

> > at

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you everyone for responding to my question about using ammonia.

I react badly too ammonia; I remember over 20 years ago I had my first

serious reaction to ammonia and haven't had it in the home since them.

However after response and all others, I decided to try it again.

Bought some and decided to try outside. I have a little pond and the pretty

concrete statue through which the water flows from the pumps is totally

covered with algae and other green/black stuff. Turned everything off, put

on my respirator, gloves and masks and sprayed it with the 50/50 solution.

Next morning took a look at it really works.

We also have major drain system which we had to have built in our back

yard to keep the water from flowing into our home (happened after tropical

storm in 2001). I have 12x12 " metal grates that cover the drain

openings which grew black mold and sprayed those as well and used a metal

brush to clean them. They look new. Previously I had used white vinegar

which did ok but not as well as this.

Then I decided to get really courageous. No I'm not ready for an ammonia

bath (lol would have to wear the respirator and goggles). Instead of the

full bath I thought I'd try a foot bath. Took about 1/4 cup of ammonia and

put that into a foot bath container. Soaked my feet and soon felt very

sleep. Had a good night's sleep.

So, thanks everyone for sharing your experiences.

Rosie

[Guest guest]

No, just haven't tried it yet. (Only heard about this recently)

On 4/9/06, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

> LiveSimply, You said it was helpful on nonporoused surfaced, so you

> don't think it helps clothes? You just throw those away?

>

>

> >

> > I have received conflicting recommendations from two different

> > scientists on this issue, but I have found ammonia to make nonporous

> > things that were highly reactive before the cleaning for me

> > non-reactive.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone tried this at a laundromat? (Just curious) We don't have

our own washer/dryer, being apartment dwellers..

[Guest guest]

LiveSimply wrote:

> Has anyone tried this at a laundromat? (Just curious) We don't have

> our own washer/dryer, being apartment dwellers..

I " Ammoniated " the heck out of everything five years ago when I was

forced to move back into a mold exposure situation. If there were any

benefits, we couldn't tell because we were now forced out by ammonia.

When the clothes were re-plumed, it's just start-over time, so

drenching them in chemicals only had limited potential for serving any

purpose.

If a laundromat was " bad " - all this did was make our clothes

unusable - ammonia - soap - tea tree oil - bleach, or not.

After testing all the local laundromats for tolerability, we wound up

driving twelve miles to the closest " good one " we could find.

We didn't make any friends in the laundromats while we were trying

to " chemical " our way out of this mess.

I now use an only an absolute minimum of soap.

For moderately contaminated clothing, nothing more seems to be

necessary for me.

The thing that concerns me is that our society has been educated to

resort to chemicals as solutions. This is so deeply ingrained that

many people actually think that plug in " air fresheners " create

healthier air.

If everyone who has a mold problem duplicates our experiments in

trying to eradicate mold with chemicals, this will be another toxic

assault on our environment that will just damage it even further.

-

[Guest guest]

>>On Behalf Of barb1283

, thanks for all the info from this doctor. I can't image taking

a bath in ammonia though. I thought it was dangerous to breath the

fumes though. Your skin is very poroused and that would mean ammonia

would get into your blood if you soaked for very long. Was idea to

clean your skin and bath short? Did you wear a mask to prevent

breathing it? Any chemicals you breath go right to your head along

with oxygen. Thanks barbb1283>>

Thanks again for sharing so much. I'm with Barb; with my sensitivity

to ammonia there is no way I could manage a bath unless I had full

protective head gear on with a full canister respirator.

Lol I'll keep trying my foot bath and see what happens.

Barb I think they point of taking the ammonia bath is for it to penetrate

past the skin layers into the body. I don't think my body could handle this

but then we are all different. I'm just pleased something is helping .

How do manage to tolerate the ammonia fumes ?.

Rosie

[Guest guest]

Any comments?

Here's a thought for those of you enamored with using laundry ammonia to rid

the environment of mycotoxins. I have no idea if this will work but based on

your e-mails, some of you might find this helpful. It could obviously be

dangerous (contact with the eyes can cause blindness and exposure to laundry

or gaseous ammonia is extremely irritating!) and I am only mentioning it

because some of you are already “brave” enough to use strong ammonia

solutions.

Years ago there was a story about a wood finisher who found out on Friday

that he didn't stain the oak in a new French bank dark enough and the bank

was to open the following Monday. He placed dishes of ammonia out in the

bank and the gas diffused into the wood and darkened it; then he aired the

bank out and by Monday, the bank was ready to open.

Such " fumigation " with ammonia can probably also be used to get rid of the

vomit smell from butyric acid in contaminated ceiling tiles.

Who knows, since it is so alkaline, it might work with some allergens and

mycotoxins. It might be worth testing in one " toxic " room. Just remember

that ammonia gas might darken some woods and change the color of some dyes.

The nice thing is that pure ammonia is a gas and eventually must dissipate

completely.

The ammonia you buy in a store is a solution of ammonia gas dissolved in

water. When you leave the dish open, some of the gas evaporates into the

air. Just fumigating a room (sealed of course) with a gas is a lot easier

than washing everything down with a solution, and the process might be just

as effective.

You could even fumigate a single piece of furniture by placing it in a

plastic enclosure along with a dish of ammonia. I used this type of

" fumigation " method successfully to rid a rug of pests: I just found a

covered plastic trash barrel large enough to contain the loosely coiled rug

(standing up on edge around an empty plastic bucket at the bottom). I then

placed some alcohol in the bucket at the center and left the loosely-covered

assembly in a garage for a few days. Some of the alcohol evaporated onto the

barrel and the vapor saturated the rug. Alcohol is toxic to all living

things, so voila. Then I just aired the rug out well. Since no liquid

alcohol entered the rug, there were no stains or color changes. (You can’t

“fumigate” a space with alcohol because the air/vapor mixture is explosive.)

Obviously, you will have to take significant personal protection steps to

enter a room full of ammonia fumes and I would avoid this if possible; try

to set up the room so that you do not have to enter when it is time to air

the space out (i.e. set it up so that you can open the windows from the

outside). Ammonia gas is very irritating to the skin and lungs. You must not

get pure laundry ammonia on the skin or breathe in the fumes.

C. May

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

1522 Cambridge Street

Cambridge, MA 02139

617-354-1055

www.mayindoorair.com

www.myhouseiskillingme.com

[Guest guest]

We used a laundromat when time became a factor. We had to look around

for one that wasn't moldy. We used 2 cups/ large load - there wasn't

much in fumes. Keep the bottle closed. Keep the doors open.

When spraying your apt or home - USE PROPER PROTECTION. Not just any

respirator - but one that is RATED FOR AMMONIA or has a replacement

cartridge you can get that's rated for ammonia. Otherwise you can trap

the fumes inside your respirator! Read the enclosed safety data sheet

that comes with the respirator. Protective suits are available from

Home Depot. Protective gloves & goggles. No one is saying one shoud

use this stuff unprotected.

We have rid our home, environment & food of chemicals years ago. We've

used only natural cleaning methods for over 8 yrs. Now we are faced

with an aggressive cancer from mycotoxin exposure. We've gone from

feeling horrible with chronic illness from mold to a life or death

situation from mold. It's not in our home, never was - but the

possiblility of cross contamination was probable. We've been away from

the direct mold source since 12/02 - the cancer just diagnosed 1/06.

" All natural " processes/products are our first choice - but sometimes

they just don't work fast enough. I haven't heard of anything else

that can work against mycotoxins in the home. We don't have the luxury

of time to see if something 'might' work. If anyone knows of something

else that's effective, we'd love to know - we're fighting for our lives.

SW

In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

>

> Has anyone tried this at a laundromat? (Just curious) We don't have

> our own washer/dryer, being apartment dwellers..

>

[Guest guest]

-So sorry to hear that your going through this SW, and scary for me

to read too. that C word is so scary and damn it pisses me off that

our illness is so unreconized that we are suffering through this,

it's a disgrace. I raised my daughters alone and my 6 grandkids and

daughters need me, and this illness has took me away from them in so

many

ways.

-- In , " wiedb "

<wiedb@...> wrote:

>

> We used a laundromat when time became a factor. We had to look

around

> for one that wasn't moldy. We used 2 cups/ large load - there wasn't

> much in fumes. Keep the bottle closed. Keep the doors open.

>

> When spraying your apt or home - USE PROPER PROTECTION. Not just any

> respirator - but one that is RATED FOR AMMONIA or has a replacement

> cartridge you can get that's rated for ammonia. Otherwise you can

trap

> the fumes inside your respirator! Read the enclosed safety data

sheet

> that comes with the respirator. Protective suits are available from

> Home Depot. Protective gloves & goggles. No one is saying one shoud

> use this stuff unprotected.

>

> We have rid our home, environment & food of chemicals years ago.

We've

> used only natural cleaning methods for over 8 yrs. Now we are faced

> with an aggressive cancer from mycotoxin exposure. We've gone from

> feeling horrible with chronic illness from mold to a life or death

> situation from mold. It's not in our home, never was - but the

> possiblility of cross contamination was probable. We've been away

from

> the direct mold source since 12/02 - the cancer just diagnosed 1/06.

> " All natural " processes/products are our first choice - but

sometimes

> they just don't work fast enough. I haven't heard of anything else

> that can work against mycotoxins in the home. We don't have the

luxury

> of time to see if something 'might' work. If anyone knows of

something

> else that's effective, we'd love to know - we're fighting for our

lives.

> SW

>

>

> In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@> wrote:

> >

> > Has anyone tried this at a laundromat? (Just curious) We don't

have

> > our own washer/dryer, being apartment dwellers..

> >

>