Bad news Re: Natural fixative?

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>

> >I have been interested in this product as well, just have not had the

> >time to explore it further yet.

> >Z..............

>

> Hi to everyone who replied to this thread, and a big thanks to the

perfume

> chemist who replied to me privately. Bad news, folks:

>

> Hi Anya,

> This fixative may have interesting properties, but it's not natural.

If

> it is derived from glucose, then I suppose it isn't a petrochemical

> (derived from crude oil), although some of the chemicals used to

produce it

> may be derived from oil. But for a compound to be considered

natural in

> perfumery would mean that it is extracted from a botanical material

without

> any chemical reaction. However, there are at least two chemical

reaction

> steps to make this compound which indicates it must be classified as a

> synthetic chemical. This is not even a " natural-identical " product

since

> nothing like it appears in nature.

>

> The patent for this compound is here:

http://xrint.com/patents/us/4264478

>

> Here is the process by which it is made. This is definitely synthetic

> chemistry.

>

>

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>

RE: Here is another one.

NATURAL FIXATIVE/BOOSTER

If anyone wants to check this out. I have had it bookmarked but not

much else.

http://www.tokosbv.nl/Engelse%20pagina's/perboos.htm

Z.........

Zz's Petals, Parfume Moderne

http://www.zzspetals.com

[Guest guest]

At 10:03 AM 7/3/2006, you wrote:

> >

>RE: Here is another one.

>NATURAL FIXATIVE/BOOSTER

>If anyone wants to check this out. I have had it bookmarked but not

>much else.

>http://www.tokosbv.nl/Engelse%20pagina's/perboos.htm

HI ZZ

It's been a long time since I visited that site, the graphics and offerings

are unforgettable, lol. I wrote him after your post, and he quickly

replied, yet did not divulge the ingredients in his claimed " natural "

fixatives, as I asked. He did honestly reply his " booster " has synths:

>Dear Anya,

>

>The boosters we offer on our site are only partly natural, so not suitable

>for your products.

>

>Our fixative FIXADURE 4004.426 at Euro 199,96 per kilo is the natural

>fixative we sell most. Our Fixadure 4002.166 at Euro 110,50 and Fixadure

>4002.124 at Euro 105,28 (both also 100% natural) are in good demand by

>various customers.

>

>General: Tokos B.V. is only a small company and the 100% natural compounds

>we make are practically all specially designed for our customers. In short

>we can not offer them to others.

>Our best selling natural compound is Rose 4005.508 at Euro 79,90 per kilo

>in 1 kilo and Euro 64,90 per kilo in 25 kilo packing. It is 100% natural (

>but does not contain rose oil) and from this " free " compound we sell about

>1/2 T per year, in various packing to various customers. As you can see,

>we are really small !

>

>Pls. let me know if you need samples ?

>Thank you for the interest in our products,

>kind regards,

>

>TOKOS B.V.

>Bert van Kooten.

I will write him back and ask again what's in the fixatives. If he wants to

keep a trade secret, that's fine, but I won't buy from him. It's his

prerogative to keep his ingredients secret, and mine to move on, since I'm

very happy with the natural fixatives (the base oils and absolutes) that I use.

Anya

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