Re: A: SO much going on I don't know how to title this one

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I think that aconite would be a great remedy for her. However, I would

use it cautiously b/c it really works to open up doors to past trauma

and the patient must be ready to go there. When I have used it I use

high potency- 50LMK or so. I agree with Leni to gently nourish her, and

treat her adrenals, and address sleep. this may allow her the build up

the strength necessary to deal with the internal trauma.

Speaking from a shamanic viewpoint she would probably benefit from a

soul retrieval. If you want more info on that, let me know. I like the

idea of COPs and I wonder if you can check her neurotrans levels- most

likely she is all askew.

Hope this helps,

Lang, ND

Brattleboro, VT 05301

wrote:

> ,

>

> What an incredible history and so classic sycotic miasm. I look

> forward to seeing what our colleagues have to say. It is amazing what

> human beings can endure. Her entire body/mind seems so traumatized it

> makes me think she needs to encounter gentle energy. I think COP's and

> flower essences will be very important for her. That 40 pounds weight

> gain in one year is very disturbing and due to not understanding

> timeline can't comment on that except to want to know more. Oh, it

> seems that the weight gain was since the polyps were removed (both

> happened in past year). Very stuck and holding and inflamed. I think

> as you do that opening the emunctories and allowing her system to let

> go will clear up some of the trauma. If you are starting with basic

> drainage, I wonder about using 24 with it (re this " pain to light

> touch " ). Some time down the road when she feels nourished and

> nurtured by your therapies myofascial release may be very important to

> release her history from her connective tissue. She's lucky she found

> you. Oh, if the pain is bad, Jiye is very excellent with acupuncture

> for pain relief!

>

> Just chiming in.

> Best, , 925-838-8688

>

> At 11:55 AM 12/30/2005 -0800, you wrote:

>

>

>> Hi Everyone...

>>

>> A patient was recently reffered to me for some reflexology and Annual

>> Exam. She was referred because during a physical exam, she had very

>> severe pain with extremely light touch to her abdomen. The touch

>> caused her to double over and practically tear up. The pain was

>> " electric " in sensation and referred into her legs.

>>

>> So she comes in... I read over her chart... she has a history of

>> severe menorhagia for 5 months - scans normal, possible endometrial

>> hyperplasia. She is currently bleeding heavily again.

>> She has had ovarian cysts (age 13), hepatitis C, sinusitis, anxiety

>> and depression (although her mood seems pretty good during our

>> visits), she had some spider bites in '04 that led to open wounds

>> that would not heal; lymphadenitis, iron defiency anemia,

>> diverticulits, hiatal hernia/ GERD with Barrett's Esophagus. She is

>> 41years old and is has gained about 40 pounds in the past year.

>>

>> Then after taling a bit... I find out she has had 6 DNC's,

>> sacraneurectomy, she is a DES daughter, she was abused as a child,

>> kidnapped at age 5 - nightmares whole life - not sure what happened

>> during those 4 1/2 months. She has had 3 polyps removed - vaginal

>> bleeding since then - 1 year ago - also when the weight gain

>> started. She has a personal history of Chlamydia and Trich. Tx with

>> Flagyl. And for the clincher, and what I thought was the most

>> interesting part of her story.... her mom had Syphilis and Gonorrhea

>> when she was pregnant with her and was treated with PCN.

>>

>> She is currently on lots of supplements including progesterone, DHEA,

>> Aciphex, some Hpx for symtoms of abd cramping.

>>

>> I spoke with her about drainage and she is very excited to start.

>> Referring ND ok with this as well. I'm starting with the basics...

>> but I thought I'd put this out there and see what conversation and

>> thoughts come out of it.

>>

>> Thanks

>>

>> wendy r. abraham, l.p.n, n.d

>>

>> So needless to say, I have been trying to put all the miasm/ drainage

>> pieces together...

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> /In health & happiness//,/

>> / R. Abraham, L.P.N., N.D.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =

>> " urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office " />/

>> /~Naturopathic Physcian~Portland, Oregon/

>>

>>

>> for Good - Make a difference this year.

>>

<http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/charity/*http://brand./cybergi\

vingweek2005/>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone,

I have read the responses to this posting with great interest. I have often

wondered why more students don't post their ideas and questions--it's a

great way to learn to think things through with the input from other more

experienced minds!

Although I am still an ND student, I used to be a psychotherapist, and my

feeling on opening the doors to past trauma is that they open when they need

to. This often occurs in conjunction with other life changes, and most

frequently with the support of people that patients have learned to trust

over time. People NEED their defenses--that is why they are constructed in

the first place. I know that that is true psychologically and I can only

assume that the same is true physically, since a separation between the two

is nonexistent.

When I was a therapist, I was an " oddball " therapist who rarely tackled

problems head-on. I found that it was much more effective to raise the

general psychological health and knowledge of my patients through education

and a trusting partnership. Gradually, their " problems " began to fall away,

and the really great part was that new ones did not develop because change

had occurred at a fundamental level of their understanding of themselves and

how they relate to the world. Since I am a generalist, I can only hope and

assume that the same is true of the human organism at all levels and states.

If we directly approach something that is " holding " we are likely to

encounter resistance (think child holding a toy or adult holding an opinion

). If we approach other areas and improve the overall

vibration/energy/function of the entire organism, doesn't it follow that the

holding areas will relax in their own time?

When the organism is functioning better is a much more advantageous time to

aggressively reeducate it toward optimal physiology. It seems to me that

this is the area that is easy to miss and fail the patient on. Once the

symptoms go away it is so tempting to cut them loose, until their next

problem develops. You will never find the answer in the problem.

Perhaps all of this is obvious to all of you, but I find it is so easy in

our problem-and-answer focused society to reduce treatment to this fix-the-

problem paradigm. Unless we are totally conscious about what we are doing

we can fall into this mire. Since this group was constructed toward the aim

of doing things differently, I would love to see people tell us their

thought process a bit more when they give their input. As a student, that

would really help me, as sometimes things SEEM to get symptom focused, but

perhaps I am missing the points you all are making between the lines due to

my inexperience.

As pertains to this case specifically, I can't help but think that for

someone who has been violated at a young age (and interesting to notice that

the last time she was physically invaded--the polyp removal, seems to have

precipitated both the vaginal bleeding and the weight gain--a classic

defense), the aspects of treatment that will allow her to open up to the

world again will be crucial--ie anything having to do with the lungs, esp.

deep lung breathing. Any part of the treatment that helps her learn how to

care for herself (all the BTGs) will be therapeutic. Anything that builds

trust between doctor and patient will be huge. Learning to trust her own

knowledge of what is right for her, either physically or emotionally will

strengthen her on a deep level so that she can let go of any of the aspects

of her defenses that are no longer necessary. Of course the pain and

bleeding need to be addressed, but these seem like mere details of her

overall healing process. This overall process will likely be very lengthy,

but what a gift for her to be able to undertake it and you, , to

witness it!

I welcome any feedback--I am trying to learn as much as I can!

Warmly,

Christie Winkelman

ND3 NCNM

iCaduceus Software

503.830.0501

cwinkelman@...

Http://www.iCaduceus.com

On 1/3/06 12:36 PM, " "

< > wrote:

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> There is 1 message in this issue.

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> 1. Re: A: SO much going on I don't know how to title this one

> From: Lang <relang21@...>

>

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> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:47:43 -0500

> From: Lang <relang21@...>

> Subject: Re: A: SO much going on I don't know how to title this one

>

> Hi ,

> I think that aconite would be a great remedy for her. However, I would

> use it cautiously b/c it really works to open up doors to past trauma

> and the patient must be ready to go there. When I have used it I use

> high potency- 50LMK or so. I agree with Leni to gently nourish her, and

> treat her adrenals, and address sleep. this may allow her the build up

> the strength necessary to deal with the internal trauma.

>

> Speaking from a shamanic viewpoint she would probably benefit from a

> soul retrieval. If you want more info on that, let me know. I like the

> idea of COPs and I wonder if you can check her neurotrans levels- most

> likely she is all askew.

> Hope this helps,

> Lang, ND

> Brattleboro, VT 05301

>

> wrote:

>

>> ,

>>

>> What an incredible history and so classic sycotic miasm. I look

>> forward to seeing what our colleagues have to say. It is amazing what

>> human beings can endure. Her entire body/mind seems so traumatized it

>> makes me think she needs to encounter gentle energy. I think COP's and

>> flower essences will be very important for her. That 40 pounds weight

>> gain in one year is very disturbing and due to not understanding

>> timeline can't comment on that except to want to know more. Oh, it

>> seems that the weight gain was since the polyps were removed (both

>> happened in past year). Very stuck and holding and inflamed. I think

>> as you do that opening the emunctories and allowing her system to let

>> go will clear up some of the trauma. If you are starting with basic

>> drainage, I wonder about using 24 with it (re this " pain to light

>> touch " ). Some time down the road when she feels nourished and

>> nurtured by your therapies myofascial release may be very important to

>> release her history from her connective tissue. She's lucky she found

>> you. Oh, if the pain is bad, Jiye is very excellent with acupuncture

>> for pain relief!

>>

>> Just chiming in.

>> Best, , 925-838-8688

>>

>> At 11:55 AM 12/30/2005 -0800, you wrote:

>>

>>

>>> Hi Everyone...

>>>

>>> A patient was recently reffered to me for some reflexology and Annual

>>> Exam. She was referred because during a physical exam, she had very

>>> severe pain with extremely light touch to her abdomen. The touch

>>> caused her to double over and practically tear up. The pain was

>>> " electric " in sensation and referred into her legs.

>>>

>>> So she comes in... I read over her chart... she has a history of

>>> severe menorhagia for 5 months - scans normal, possible endometrial

>>> hyperplasia. She is currently bleeding heavily again.

>>> She has had ovarian cysts (age 13), hepatitis C, sinusitis, anxiety

>>> and depression (although her mood seems pretty good during our

>>> visits), she had some spider bites in '04 that led to open wounds

>>> that would not heal; lymphadenitis, iron defiency anemia,

>>> diverticulits, hiatal hernia/ GERD with Barrett's Esophagus. She is

>>> 41years old and is has gained about 40 pounds in the past year.

>>>

>>> Then after taling a bit... I find out she has had 6 DNC's,

>>> sacraneurectomy, she is a DES daughter, she was abused as a child,

>>> kidnapped at age 5 - nightmares whole life - not sure what happened

>>> during those 4 1/2 months. She has had 3 polyps removed - vaginal

>>> bleeding since then - 1 year ago - also when the weight gain

>>> started. She has a personal history of Chlamydia and Trich. Tx with

>>> Flagyl. And for the clincher, and what I thought was the most

>>> interesting part of her story.... her mom had Syphilis and Gonorrhea

>>> when she was pregnant with her and was treated with PCN.

>>>

>>> She is currently on lots of supplements including progesterone, DHEA,

>>> Aciphex, some Hpx for symtoms of abd cramping.

>>>

>>> I spoke with her about drainage and she is very excited to start.

>>> Referring ND ok with this as well. I'm starting with the basics...

>>> but I thought I'd put this out there and see what conversation and

>>> thoughts come out of it.

>>>

>>> Thanks

>>>

>>> wendy r. abraham, l.p.n, n.d

>>>

>>> So needless to say, I have been trying to put all the miasm/ drainage

>>> pieces together...

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> /In health & happiness//,/

>>> / R. Abraham, L.P.N., N.D.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =

>>> " urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office " />/

>>> /~Naturopathic Physcian~Portland, Oregon/

>>>

>>>

>>> for Good - Make a difference this year.

>>> <http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/charity/*http://brand./cyb

>>> ergivingweek2005/>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Christie, very insightful and well articulated. I am sure your perspective

will benefit me with my clients. Thank you.

, 925-838-8688, Los Gatos/San Ramon/Danville.

At 05:34 PM 1/4/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi Everyone,

>

>I have read the responses to this posting with great interest. I have often

>wondered why more students don't post their ideas and questions--it's a

>great way to learn to think things through with the input from other more

>experienced minds!

>

>Although I am still an ND student, I used to be a psychotherapist, and my

>feeling on opening the doors to past trauma is that they open when they need

>to. This often occurs in conjunction with other life changes, and most

>frequently with the support of people that patients have learned to trust

>over time. People NEED their defenses--that is why they are constructed in

>the first place. I know that that is true psychologically and I can only

>assume that the same is true physically, since a separation between the two

>is nonexistent.

>

>When I was a therapist, I was an " oddball " therapist who rarely tackled

>problems head-on. I found that it was much more effective to raise the

>general psychological health and knowledge of my patients through education

>and a trusting partnership. Gradually, their " problems " began to fall away,

>and the really great part was that new ones did not develop because change

>had occurred at a fundamental level of their understanding of themselves and

>how they relate to the world. Since I am a generalist, I can only hope and

>assume that the same is true of the human organism at all levels and states.

>If we directly approach something that is " holding " we are likely to

>encounter resistance (think child holding a toy or adult holding an opinion

>). If we approach other areas and improve the overall

>vibration/energy/function of the entire organism, doesn't it follow that the

>holding areas will relax in their own time?

>

> When the organism is functioning better is a much more advantageous time to

>aggressively reeducate it toward optimal physiology. It seems to me that

>this is the area that is easy to miss and fail the patient on. Once the

>symptoms go away it is so tempting to cut them loose, until their next

>problem develops. You will never find the answer in the problem.

>

>Perhaps all of this is obvious to all of you, but I find it is so easy in

>our problem-and-answer focused society to reduce treatment to this fix-the-

>problem paradigm. Unless we are totally conscious about what we are doing

>we can fall into this mire. Since this group was constructed toward the aim

>of doing things differently, I would love to see people tell us their

>thought process a bit more when they give their input. As a student, that

>would really help me, as sometimes things SEEM to get symptom focused, but

>perhaps I am missing the points you all are making between the lines due to

>my inexperience.

>

>As pertains to this case specifically, I can't help but think that for

>someone who has been violated at a young age (and interesting to notice that

>the last time she was physically invaded--the polyp removal, seems to have

>precipitated both the vaginal bleeding and the weight gain--a classic

>defense), the aspects of treatment that will allow her to open up to the

>world again will be crucial--ie anything having to do with the lungs, esp.

>deep lung breathing. Any part of the treatment that helps her learn how to

>care for herself (all the BTGs) will be therapeutic. Anything that builds

>trust between doctor and patient will be huge. Learning to trust her own

>knowledge of what is right for her, either physically or emotionally will

>strengthen her on a deep level so that she can let go of any of the aspects

>of her defenses that are no longer necessary. Of course the pain and

>bleeding need to be addressed, but these seem like mere details of her

>overall healing process. This overall process will likely be very lengthy,

>but what a gift for her to be able to undertake it and you, , to

>witness it!

>

>I welcome any feedback--I am trying to learn as much as I can!

>

>Warmly,

>Christie Winkelman

>ND3 NCNM

>iCaduceus Software

>503.830.0501

>cwinkelman@...

>Http://www.iCaduceus.com

>

>

>

>

>

>On 1/3/06 12:36 PM, " "

>< > wrote:

>

> >

> > There is 1 message in this issue.

> >

> > Topics in this digest:

> >

> > 1. Re: A: SO much going on I don't know how to title this one

> > From: Lang <relang21@...>

> >

> >

> > ________________________________________________________________________

> > ________________________________________________________________________

> >

> > Message: 1

> > Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:47:43 -0500

> > From: Lang <relang21@...>

> > Subject: Re: A: SO much going on I don't know how to title this one

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I think that aconite would be a great remedy for her. However, I would

> > use it cautiously b/c it really works to open up doors to past trauma

> > and the patient must be ready to go there. When I have used it I use

> > high potency- 50LMK or so. I agree with Leni to gently nourish her, and

> > treat her adrenals, and address sleep. this may allow her the build up

> > the strength necessary to deal with the internal trauma.

> >

> > Speaking from a shamanic viewpoint she would probably benefit from a

> > soul retrieval. If you want more info on that, let me know. I like the

> > idea of COPs and I wonder if you can check her neurotrans levels- most

> > likely she is all askew.

> > Hope this helps,

> > Lang, ND

> > Brattleboro, VT 05301

> >

> > wrote:

> >

> >> ,

> >>

> >> What an incredible history and so classic sycotic miasm. I look

> >> forward to seeing what our colleagues have to say. It is amazing what

> >> human beings can endure. Her entire body/mind seems so traumatized it

> >> makes me think she needs to encounter gentle energy. I think COP's and

> >> flower essences will be very important for her. That 40 pounds weight

> >> gain in one year is very disturbing and due to not understanding

> >> timeline can't comment on that except to want to know more. Oh, it

> >> seems that the weight gain was since the polyps were removed (both

> >> happened in past year). Very stuck and holding and inflamed. I think

> >> as you do that opening the emunctories and allowing her system to let

> >> go will clear up some of the trauma. If you are starting with basic

> >> drainage, I wonder about using 24 with it (re this " pain to light

> >> touch " ). Some time down the road when she feels nourished and

> >> nurtured by your therapies myofascial release may be very important to

> >> release her history from her connective tissue. She's lucky she found

> >> you. Oh, if the pain is bad, Jiye is very excellent with acupuncture

> >> for pain relief!

> >>

> >> Just chiming in.

> >> Best, , 925-838-8688

> >>

> >> At 11:55 AM 12/30/2005 -0800, you wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>> Hi Everyone...

> >>>

> >>> A patient was recently reffered to me for some reflexology and Annual

> >>> Exam. She was referred because during a physical exam, she had very

> >>> severe pain with extremely light touch to her abdomen. The touch

> >>> caused her to double over and practically tear up. The pain was

> >>> " electric " in sensation and referred into her legs.

> >>>

> >>> So she comes in... I read over her chart... she has a history of

> >>> severe menorhagia for 5 months - scans normal, possible endometrial

> >>> hyperplasia. She is currently bleeding heavily again.

> >>> She has had ovarian cysts (age 13), hepatitis C, sinusitis, anxiety

> >>> and depression (although her mood seems pretty good during our

> >>> visits), she had some spider bites in '04 that led to open wounds

> >>> that would not heal; lymphadenitis, iron defiency anemia,

> >>> diverticulits, hiatal hernia/ GERD with Barrett's Esophagus. She is

> >>> 41years old and is has gained about 40 pounds in the past year.

> >>>

> >>> Then after taling a bit... I find out she has had 6 DNC's,

> >>> sacraneurectomy, she is a DES daughter, she was abused as a child,

> >>> kidnapped at age 5 - nightmares whole life - not sure what happened

> >>> during those 4 1/2 months. She has had 3 polyps removed - vaginal

> >>> bleeding since then - 1 year ago - also when the weight gain

> >>> started. She has a personal history of Chlamydia and Trich. Tx with

> >>> Flagyl. And for the clincher, and what I thought was the most

> >>> interesting part of her story.... her mom had Syphilis and Gonorrhea

> >>> when she was pregnant with her and was treated with PCN.

> >>>

> >>> She is currently on lots of supplements including progesterone, DHEA,

> >>> Aciphex, some Hpx for symtoms of abd cramping.

> >>>

> >>> I spoke with her about drainage and she is very excited to start.

> >>> Referring ND ok with this as well. I'm starting with the basics...

> >>> but I thought I'd put this out there and see what conversation and

> >>> thoughts come out of it.

> >>>

> >>> Thanks

> >>>

> >>> wendy r. abraham, l.p.n, n.d

> >>>

> >>> So needless to say, I have been trying to put all the miasm/ drainage

> >>> pieces together...

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> /In health & happiness//,/

> >>> / R. Abraham, L.P.N., N.D.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =

> >>> " urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office " />/

> >>> /~Naturopathic Physcian~Portland, Oregon/

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> for Good - Make a difference this year.

> >>>

>

<http://us.rd./mail_us/taglines/charity/*http://brand./cyb>>>

> ergivingweek2005/>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>