Re: Fractionated Coconut Oil VS. Jojoba Oil

[Guest guest]

I was wondering if any of you have

> used both fractionated coconut oil and jojoba oil for your

> natural perfumes and which you prefer and why? I like the

> feel of the fractionated coconut oil...it dries on the skin quickly,

> plus it has an unlimited shelf life and no smell. But I am

> concerned that maybe the scent of the essential oils, when

> added to it, will not hold up as well as it may in jojoba oil.

I would also like to ask a question re: jojoba vs. coconut oils as

carriers. First, is fractionated coconut oil considered " natural " or has

it gone through too many processes? Here is a quote from the Nature's

Gift site, which made me wonder:

However, Shirley Price points out that fractionated (or refined) coconut

oil is produced by heat, rather than cold pressing, and is usually

deodorized since it's natural odor is overwhelming, and asks if we

really want to use a fractionated oil in aromatherapy, since it is not a

complete product.

My *personal* opinion on the above is " it depends. " I vastly prefer a

" natural " oil, and yet under some conditions the use of a 'totally

natural' carrier can compound the problem.

Second, it seems to me that organic coconut oil has a very heavy coconut

smell and that would make it unsuitable for natural perfumery (unless

you wanted a scent to have that scent along with it).

What do you think? I have been using organic jojoba oil, and it's not

bad but it does have a smell of its own and I have to overcome that. My

Holy Grail would be to find something which is odorless and organic.

-Fabienne

[Guest guest]

On Jun 18, 2006, at 2:36 PM, fabienne301 wrote:

>

>

> I was wondering if any of you have

> > used both fractionated coconut oil and jojoba oil for your

> > natural perfumes and which you prefer and why? I like the

> > feel of the fractionated coconut oil...it dries on the skin quickly,

> > plus it has an unlimited shelf life and no smell. But I am

> > concerned that maybe the scent of the essential oils, when

> > added to it, will not hold up as well as it may in jojoba oil.

>

> I would also like to ask a question re: jojoba vs. coconut oils as

> carriers. First, is fractionated coconut oil considered " natural "

> or has

> it gone through too many processes? Here is a quote from the Nature's

> Gift site, which made me wonder:

>

> However, Shirley Price points out that fractionated (or refined)

> coconut

> oil is produced by heat, rather than cold pressing, and is usually

> deodorized since it's natural odor is overwhelming, and asks if we

> really want to use a fractionated oil in aromatherapy, since it is

> not a

> complete product.

> My *personal* opinion on the above is " it depends. " I vastly prefer a

> " natural " oil, and yet under some conditions the use of a 'totally

> natural' carrier can compound the problem.

>

> Second, it seems to me that organic coconut oil has a very heavy

> coconut

> smell and that would make it unsuitable for natural perfumery (unless

> you wanted a scent to have that scent along with it).

>

> What do you think? I have been using organic jojoba oil, and it's not

> bad but it does have a smell of its own and I have to overcome

> that. My

> Holy Grail would be to find something which is odorless and organic.

>

> -Fabienne

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have learned from the Essential Oil University website that fractionated

coconut oil is from a natural process, so I have been assuming that it is a

good oil to use for perfumery. I am mainly wondering how it compares with

Jojoba oil in the use of perfumes...which medium the essential oils will hold

up better in and smell best in. If anyone has tried both I would love to hear

about it.

If interested, the webpage that I was referring to that has the info about

fractionated

coconut oil is.... http://www.essentialoils.org/frac__coconut.htm

If the processing of this oil has changed and my source of info is

wrong please let me know.

Thank you!

Frohnauer

Natural Family Botanicals

Aromatherapy Bath & Body Products

http://www.nfbotanicals.com

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of @ NFBotanicals

Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 6:59 PM

Subject: Re: Fractionated Coconut Oil VS. Jojoba

Oil

I have learned from the Essential Oil University website that

fractionated

coconut oil is from a natural process, so I have been assuming that

it is a

good oil to use for perfumery. I am mainly wondering how it compares

with

Jojoba oil in the use of perfumes...which medium the essential oils

will hold

up better in and smell best in. If anyone has tried both I would

love to hear

about it.

Hi ,

Rob Pappas is absolutely correct on his website. The process to fractionate

(separate components) coconut oil is done by steam distillation and does not

involve any chemicals. Something is removed (smaller fatty acid

triglycerides), but nothing is added to your finished product.

Be Well,

Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com

" Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from

Nigeria

[Guest guest]

>

> I am mainly wondering how it compares

> with

> Jojoba oil in the use of perfumes...which medium the essential oils

> will hold

> up better in and smell best in. If anyone has tried both I would

> love to hear

> about it.

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Rob Pappas is absolutely correct on his website. The process to

> fractionate

> (separate components) coconut oil is done by steam distillation and

> does not

> involve any chemicals. Something is removed (smaller fatty acid

> triglycerides), but nothing is added to your finished product.

>

> Be Well,

> Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com

>

>

Hi,

I am happy to learn that the fractionation process does not involve

chemicals. I personally like a blend that uses fractionated coconut

oil better than jojoba because it does not feel like an oil blend. It

creates a thinner, lighter textured perfume with a longer shelf life.

One question still unanswered is will the jojoba help to release the

aroma over a longer period of time and therefore create a longer

lasting perfume?

Thanks for the info.

Will

Eden Botanicals

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________________________________

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Eden Botanicals

Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: Fractionated Coconut Oil VS. Jojoba Oil

Hi,

I am happy to learn that the fractionation process does not involve

chemicals. I personally like a blend that uses fractionated coconut

oil better than jojoba because it does not feel like an oil blend. It

creates a thinner, lighter textured perfume with a longer shelf life.

One question still unanswered is will the jojoba help to release the

aroma over a longer period of time and therefore create a longer

lasting perfume?

Thanks for the info.

Will

Eden Botanicals

Hi Will,

I think that we don't have enough collective experience yet to say for sure

since FC is such a new element in natural perfumery . . . I'll certainly be

paying attention and taking copious notes along the way. We should revisit

this subject 6 months or a year from now and see what opinions come in.

Be Well,

Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com

" Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from

Nigeria

[Guest guest]

Thank you to everyone who replied to my inquiry!

You have helped to put my mind at ease about the fractionating

process. It can be somewhat unsettling to think you really know

but not completely sure, if you know what I mean!

I love the feel of the fractionated oil also. So far my perfumes that

I have made with it have held up very nicely but I will be very interested

to hear about the experiments between the two mediums that we

probably will all be doing now, LOL!

Have a blessed day!

Frohnauer

Natural Family Botanicals

Aromatherapy Bath & Body Products

http://www.nfbotanicals.com

[Guest guest]

I have actually had fractionated coconut oil develop an off

(fatty/soapy) odor after a couple of years. It was not stored in the

most consistent of temperatures, so that may have had a lot to do with

it. It was very subtle, not an odor that screamed " rancid! " , but

discernable on the skin after a few hours. I am storing my fresh

bottle of fractionated coconut oil in the fridge, just to be on the

safe side.