Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 " viennacarroll " wrote: > Sunrose Aromatics sells their Linden Blossom 10% in jojoba. What > would it look like in that case? It should be a yellow-green liquid in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 > > > aaah Linden Blossom > > There seems to be an anathema......... I have recently discovered there is a conundrum.... > > Mandy describes the cooly elegant middle note which corresponds to my description of the linden blossom I have in page 124 essence and alchemy ( or used to have/ got rid of it when told bunk) and coming from ...... > Lime Trees..... which is citrus aurantium Lime Blossom is a synonym to linden blossom. There is no lime blossom absolute from the citrus lime that I have ever seen sold anywhere. If there was, I would have bought it in an instant! > Yet, I have seen described here on the group as dark sweet haylike and honey like from the Tilia Europa... or vulgaris and subsequently have some of this and yes as described. Yes, this is more or less how true linden blossom absolute smells like. The easiest way to tell the bunk from the real stuff is that the bunk was a clear, mobile liquid and had a scent so " pure " it could possibly be a natural. Of course I didn't know this at the time, until I heard about this scam here on this group. The real linden blossom absolute is a semi-solid, sticky dark green mass (looks black until diluted) and it has both the aspects of the " elegantly clean " and the hay-like, honeyed tonalities. It all depends on how you look at it Hope this was helpful! Warm regards, -- Ayala Sender, Perfumer Ayala Moriel Parfums http://www.AyalaMoriel.com/ My SmellyBlog: http://SmellyBlog.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 > > Mandy describes the cooly elegant middle note which corresponds to > my description of the linden blossom I have in page 124 essence and > alchemy ( or used to have/ got rid of it when told bunk) and coming > from ...... > > Lime Trees..... which is citrus aurantium > > Lime Blossom is a synonym to linden blossom. There is no lime blossom > absolute from the citrus lime that I have ever seen sold anywhere. If > there was, I would have bought it in an instant! Hi Ayala, That may be because all the citrus flowers smell nearly identical... to my nose anyway. Anya should know too, she's in Florida as well, but I don't think South Florida has many citrus trees. I live in Central Florida, and many people have a lemon, lime, grapefruit, orange in the backyard. My best friend has a GIGANTIC Key Lime tree in her backyard, a navel orange in her front yard, and I had a grapefruit tree and bitter orange in my backyard at my last house, my mom has both a orange and grapefruit trees. I currently have a very young strange lemon/lime/orange hybrid in my backyard with green and yellow striped fruit. The flowers do not smell much different between any of the citrus at all. They all smell sweet, and are more like jasmine than any other flower. My mom grows Jasmine sambac in her front yard. It is incredibly puzzling for Mandy Aftel to describe Linden Blossom like lime blossoms or call them synonyms, unless she's referring to a NON-citrus flower that is called Lime flower (I have never heard of one)... these 2 are as different in scent as Jasmine and baked bread... which is to say, nearly polar opposites in scent. I think it's an impossibility to do anything to any citrus flower to make it smell like linden blossom, not fresh, not extracted. Maybe she was talking about a different kind of flower than citrus? Helen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 > Well actually we need to ask Mandy.... she is the one who posted it in her book and it is just how mine is/was. Janita, I coudlnt' find Mandy's reference to Linden Blossom absolute in her book, except for the list of top, heart and base notes (a table on page 148 in the first edition). Otherwise, it is probably mentioned so little there isn't any linden (OR lime blossom) in the index. I would like to note though, that while Linden Blossom is often called Lime Blossom - lime blossom is never referred to as linden. If the " bunk " stuff that you had before is the same as mine (I got it via SunRose), than there is no hint of citrus to it, which characterizes ALL citrus blossoms that I've ever smelled. So I don't think this is what Mandy was referring to in what you quoted as light and elegant. Nevertheless, Linden Blossom absolute (the real thing, Tilia Vulgaris), could be interpreted as both light and elegant. It really depends on perception. And in a perfume, that's the presence it gives - like a flowery herbal tea, honeyed and slightly green like soft hay. It's very delicate. I found no reference to it in Arctander's book (searching under all the names I could think of - Linden, Lime, Tilia, Tilleul - but I did find this information in the following books: Poucher's Volume 1 - under " Tilleul " : " ...it's flowers are particularly fragrant " . That's all! He also lists the molecules used to rebuild the fragrance, including: hydroxycintronellal, geraniol, linalol, methyl anthranilate, anisic aldehyde, ionone, benzyl acetate. And the fixatives used are peru balsam, benzon and or musk ketone. In her Encyclopedia of Essential Oils, Lawless describes linden blossom absolute as a " yellow semi-solid mass with green herbaceous, dry, characteristic odour " . The concrete (which I never met) is described as " hard, brittle, dark green mass with a herbaceous, dry, haylike odour " . (p. 123). Although Lawless gives quite a few aromatherapeutic uses for Linden Blossom - she does not offer a list of other oils to blend linden with (which she does in all her other monographs in the book). Hope this sheds (some) light on the linden mystery... Kind regards, -- Ayala Sender, Perfumer Ayala Moriel Parfums http://www.AyalaMoriel.com/ My SmellyBlog: http://SmellyBlog.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Janita say > > Mandy describes the cooly elegant middle note which corresponds to my description of the linden blossom I have in page 124 essence and alchemy > Lime Trees..... which is citrus aurantium correcting myself ..... correction citrus aurantifolia Ayala replied Lime Blossom is a synonym to linden blossom. There is no lime blossom absolute from the citrus lime that I have ever seen sold anywhere. If there was, I would have bought it in an instant! Hi Ayala I totally agree but I meant to answer this sooner but I have been hunting all over the house for my essence and alchemy.... to quote...... but if you look up page 124 to the description of the tree and the leaf description it is totally different to the leaf structure of the Tilleaul plus she goes on a touch later about the fruit and it is in the head notes section. This is why I am totally puzzled. Hope this was helpful! always...... communicating is so good to discover.... please check out the above.... Warm regards, and right back Ayala , Janita haan http://wwwhayspace.co.uk -- Ayala Sender, Perfumer --------------------------------- is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 > > > aaah Linden Blossom > > two different Linden Blossom abs......... one from Citrus > aurantium and the other from Tilia Europa ....??? > anyone???? > > Janita Hi Janita, I have never smelled the absolute from T. Europa, but I have linden blossom absolute from C. aurantium, and Mandy's description is spot- on. It is fresh, subtly green, a little perfumey in the way cold- pressed lime oil is perfumey, and reminiscent of orange flower absolute. It is not earthy, musty, or balsamic in any way. It reminds me of soft warm spring days drinking tea with lemon in a shady arbor, while a gentle breeze carries the scent of fresh leaves and a trace of flowers. It is one of my favorite heart notes, and one I can hardly live without. I think the word " elegant " is the best description for it. ~Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 --- Becky <nocauseinme@...> wrote: > I have never smelled the absolute from T. Europa, > but I have linden > blossom absolute from C. aurantium, and Mandy's > description is spot- > on. It is fresh, subtly green, a little perfumey in > the way cold- > pressed lime oil is perfumey, and reminiscent of > orange flower absolute. > > It is not earthy, musty, or balsamic in any way. Hi Becky, I've gotten a little bit behind in reading my NP messages so forgive me if this subject has already been discussed. I know this is very bad news and it has been quite traumatic for other members here in the past but the linden blossom absolute you describe sounds very, very much like a phony batch of linden absolute which is being sold by several popular suppliers. Linden blossom absolute is a sticky, thick, hard to handle absolute with a honeyed hay-like smell. If the light, fresh, floral green and liquid absolute truly exists it seems to be very unusual and rare and some reputable suppliers (such as White Lotus) question its existence. There are two very popular suppliers (which we don't even like to name here) that carry the fake one and I hear that it is very pretty and floral and that it smells natural. Here is an interesting link from the White Lotus newsletter that talks about linden absolute: http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com/newsletters/kewra2.html __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 > > It is not earthy, musty, or balsamic in any way. Hi Becky, Here is an interesting link from the White Lotus newsletter that talks about linden absolute: http://www.whitelotusaromatics.com/newsletters/kewra2.html Hi Well done...... this is clear concise information about the controversial Linden Blossom so thanks also to and White Lotus Aromatics. A big thank you to everyone... Ayala, yourself, , and others who have all contributed to this most interesting thread (again)..... Somehow I think this will turn up again somewhere... and lets keep our ears and eyes peeled for new developments. Janita Ascent http://www.hayspace.co.uk --------------------------------- is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Hi Becky, I've gotten a little bit behind in reading my NP messages so forgive me if this subject has already been discussed. I know this is very bad news and it has been quite traumatic for other members here in the past . . . <snipped> Hi All, I'm most likely even more behind than in keeping up on this list . . . .. But I have to mirror her sentiments. This is Tony Burfield's description of Linden Blossom Absolute - Note his caution about synthetics: " Linden Blossom absolute is obtained by solvent extraction of the blossoms of the Small Leaved Lime, Tilia cordata Mill. (Fam. Tiliaceae) or the Large leaved Lime Tilia platyphyllus Scop. or Tilia x europea L., a hybrid of the former two species. The blossoms open in late June/July in the U.K. and on a hot day the fragrance can be intoxicatingly powerful. Linden blossom absolutes as sold into perfumery & aromatherapy often contain added synthetics such as lilial (now a sensitiser under SCCNFP opinion), cyclamen aldehyde, even hydroxycitronellal (which is also restricted IFRA); to make them appear more " natural " synthetic farnesol is sometimes added, but this material may have a different distribution of isomers to the naturally occurring farnesol in Linden blossom. The absolute is a red-brown to brownish-green clear viscous liquid or plastic solid with an odour that is honeyed, powdery, fresh floral. Many describe the honeyed notes as sweet and carob-like. " Botanical Information: (Note reference to being called 'Lime " tree.) Latin names: Tilia cordata or Tilia platyphyllus Scop. or Tilia x europea L. syn. T. x vulgaris Hayne Botanical family: Tiliaceae Common names: Lime tree or Linden tree or tilleul The word lime derives from an Old English word Lynde or Lind. The Tilia genus is a family of some 45 deciduous trees spread through the temperate Northern part of the hemisphere. Lime trees grow spontaneously in England and many parts of Europe, and can live a very long time, the longest living tree is recorded to be over 700 years old. If someone offers you a steam distilled Linden Blossom or hydrosol, it is most likely synthetic. Be Well, Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com http://www.aromaconnection.org " Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from Nigeria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 > > > > > Hi Becky, > > the linden blossom absolute you describe > sounds very, very much like a phony batch of linden > absolute which is being sold by several popular > suppliers. > > , Thanks so much for the information--and the link! I really appreciate the heads-up. I'm still learning what to watch for and still training my nose to sniff out synths. It's a life-long learning process, I think, and I'm still near the beginning of the journey. It's good to have people like you and the others here to give direction to those of us less well-traveled, as it were. ~Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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