Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 I shall be out of the university until Monday next, March 10th. If your message is urgent please contact either one of my colleagues, Frances Appleby on 0207-815-8014 or n Frost on 0207-815-8461 Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 I shall be out of the university until Monday next, March 10th. If your message is urgent please contact either one of my colleagues, Frances Appleby on 0207-815-8014 or n Frost on 0207-815-8461 Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 I suspect not! RE: school nursing numbers? Is there any way into this as well via the Healthy Schools Initiative..have they mapped any of this yet + DfES? -----Original Message-----From: Cowley [mailto:sarah@...]Sent: 09 March 2003 13:06 Subject: Re: school nursing numbers?Oh dear; a former school governor colleague tells me there are about 25,000 schools in England. So my speculation would be unhelpful, as it suggests there may be as many as 5000 schools without access to a school nurse! Cowley wrote: Thanks Barbara. I had rather hoped that 2000 might have the lowest estimate of whole time equivalents; obviously I should have been more pessimistic! It is helpful to know that school nurses cover between 10 and 20 schools though, because I speculated that the high figure (20,050) that isaw cited may have come from schools being asked if they had a school nurse. I have no idea how many schools there are, but probably that figure would make more sense. best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 My experience suggests that most school nurses cover something like 2000- 3000 school aged children with others covering a great deal more. Also many do not cover over 16 years and certainly there is no service if the young person goes to college rather than remaining at school. A school nurse told me the other day that she had been formally told off for going into a six form college to offer health promotion and guidance to the young people. There are also an increasing number of smaller private schools and a wide variety of faith schools which are not getting cover or are paying for cover which means again the school nurses become stretched. It is certainly not a universal service. Margaret Re: school nursing numbers? Oh dear; a former school governor colleague tells me there are about 25,000 schools in England. So my speculation would be unhelpful, as it suggests there may be as many as 5000 schools without access to a school nurse! Cowley wrote: Thanks Barbara. I had rather hoped that 2000 might have the lowest estimate of whole time equivalents; obviously I should have been more pessimistic! It is helpful to know that school nurses cover between 10 and 20 schools though, because I speculated that the high figure (20,050) that isaw cited may have come from schools being asked if they had a school nurse. I have no idea how many schools there are, but probably that figure would make more sense. best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 I shall be out of the university until Monday next, March 10th. If your message is urgent please contact either one of my colleagues, Frances Appleby on 0207-815-8014 or n Frost on 0207-815-8461 Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 In the old Barking, Dagenham and Havering patch in 2002, mainstream (i.e. not special school) nurses had between 4,000 - 4,500 children per nurse. The RCN has a special forum for Independent school nurses - not very connected, by and large, with wider public health and child health developments if they are employed privately. Nil desperandum, Woody. On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:31:21 -0000 Margaret Buttigieg <margaret@...> wrote: > My experience suggests that most school nurses cover something like 2000- 3000 school aged children with others covering a great deal more. Also many do not cover over 16 years and certainly there is no service if the young person goes to college rather than remaining at school. > > A school nurse told me the other day that she had been formally told off for going into a six form college to offer health promotion and guidance to the young people. > > There are also an increasing number of smaller private schools and a wide variety of faith schools which are not getting cover or are paying for cover which means again the school nurses become stretched. > > It is certainly not a universal service. > > Margaret > Re: school nursing numbers? > > > Oh dear; a former school governor colleague tells me there are about 25,000 schools in England. So my speculation would be unhelpful, as it suggests there may be as many as 5000 schools without access to a school nurse! > > > Cowley wrote: > > Thanks Barbara. I had rather hoped that 2000 might have the lowest estimate of whole time equivalents; obviously I should have been more pessimistic! It is helpful to know that school nurses cover between 10 and 20 schools though, because I speculated that the high figure (20,050) that isaw cited may have come from schools being asked if they had a school nurse. I have no idea how many schools there are, but probably that figure would make more sense. best wishes > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 I shall be out of the university until Monday next, March 10th. If your message is urgent please contact either one of my colleagues, Frances Appleby on 0207-815-8014 or n Frost on 0207-815-8461 Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 , If it would be useful I can ask a colleague who sits on a Government School Nursing body? Ruth school nursing numbers? > Hello everyone > I am preparing a conference paper about the workforce for children and > am having difficulty identifying figures for the national establishment > of school nurses. Last time I asked the DH statistics division, they > told me that no figures were collated nationally for school nurses, with > the result that cited figures seem to range between 20,000 and 2000. > The former is definitely a wildly optimistic 'in your dreams' > statistic, but is the latter too pessimistic? Really, I need whole time > equivalents, rather than headcount, but even an informed approximation > would help. I have sent another message to DH statistics division, does > anyone have any other ideas/suggestions please? Best wishes > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 I shall be out of the university until Monday next, March 10th. If your message is urgent please contact either one of my colleagues, Frances Appleby on 0207-815-8014 or n Frost on 0207-815-8461 Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 I shall be out of the university until Monday next, March 10th. If your message is urgent please contact either one of my colleagues, Frances Appleby on 0207-815-8014 or n Frost on 0207-815-8461 Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 Ruth, that would be helpful. I think it has become a larger need than just my small conference paper! Many thanks: and congratulations on being our 5000th correspendent last week! Ruth Grant wrote: , If it would be useful I can ask a colleague who sits on a Government School Nursing body? Ruth school nursing numbers? Hello everyone I am preparing a conference paper about the workforce for children and am having difficulty identifying figures for the national establishment of school nurses. Last time I asked the DH statistics division, they told me that no figures were collated nationally for school nurses, with the result that cited figures seem to range between 20,000 and 2000. The former is definitely a wildly optimistic 'in your dreams' statistic, but is the latter too pessimistic? Really, I need whole time equivalents, rather than headcount, but even an informed approximation would help. I have sent another message to DH statistics division, does anyone have any other ideas/suggestions please? Best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 I shall be out of the university until Monday next, March 10th. If your message is urgent please contact either one of my colleagues, Frances Appleby on 0207-815-8014 or n Frost on 0207-815-8461 Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 I wonder if Val Buxton in the Public Health Directorate of DoH would know- she was behind the School Nurse practice development resource pack, although I checked last night and this itself does not mention numbers of SNs.... Woody. On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:59:43 -0000 Ruth Grant <ruth@...> wrote: > , If it would be useful I can ask a colleague who sits on a Government > School Nursing body? Ruth > school nursing numbers? > > > > Hello everyone > > I am preparing a conference paper about the workforce for children and > > am having difficulty identifying figures for the national establishment > > of school nurses. Last time I asked the DH statistics division, they > > told me that no figures were collated nationally for school nurses, with > > the result that cited figures seem to range between 20,000 and 2000. > > The former is definitely a wildly optimistic 'in your dreams' > > statistic, but is the latter too pessimistic? Really, I need whole time > > equivalents, rather than headcount, but even an informed approximation > > would help. I have sent another message to DH statistics division, does > > anyone have any other ideas/suggestions please? Best wishes > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Hello There are some numbers estimated in the Review of HV & SN in Wales carried out by June and Margeret Buttegeig in 2000. I think their best estimate was 200 in total. About 18 months ago I undertook a small piece of work with school nurses employed by 2 LEA's and still have contact numbers for them. As you know they can be quite a hard to reach group so would be happy to disseminate any information or put you in touch if appropriate. Also I understand that in the Welsh Assembly is currently doing some work on school nursing. Regards > > > >> Thanks Barbara. I had rather hoped that 2000 might have the > >> lowest estimate of whole time equivalents; obviously I should > >> have been more pessimistic! It is helpful to know that school > >> nurses cover between 10 and 20 schools though, because I > >> speculated that the high figure (20,050) that isaw cited may have > >> come from schools being asked if they had a school nurse. I have > >> no idea how many schools there are, but probably that figure > >> would make more sense. best wishes > >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 I shall be out of the university until Monday next, March 10th. If your message is urgent please contact either one of my colleagues, Frances Appleby on 0207-815-8014 or n Frost on 0207-815-8461 Betty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Many thanks and all who have responded. We are certainly getting a picture of a very samll workforce, with a lots of demands being made on them. best wishes angelahurley2002 wrote: Hello There are some numbers estimated in the Review of HV & SN in Wales carried out by June and Margeret Buttegeig in 2000. I think their best estimate was 200 in total. About 18 months ago I undertook a small piece of work with school nurses employed by 2 LEA's and still have contact numbers for them. As you know they can be quite a hard to reach group so would be happy to disseminate any information or put you in touch if appropriate. Also I understand that in the Welsh Assembly is currently doing some work on school nursing. Regards Thanks Barbara. I had rather hoped that 2000 might have the lowest estimate of whole time equivalents; obviously I should have been more pessimistic! It is helpful to know that school nurses cover between 10 and 20 schools though, because I speculated that the high figure (20,050) that isaw cited may have come from schools being asked if they had a school nurse. I have no idea how many schools there are, but probably that figure would make more sense. best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 I did some number crunching in detail in the mid 1990's. I'll see if I can dig it out. At that time the various countries did collect SN figures of sorts -----Original Message-----From: Cowley [mailto:sarah@...]Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Re: school nursing numbers?Many thanks and all who have responded. We are certainly getting a picture of a very samll workforce, with a lots of demands being made on them. best wishes angelahurley2002 wrote: Hello There are some numbers estimated in the Review of HV & SN in Wales carried out by June and Margeret Buttegeig in 2000. I think their best estimate was 200 in total. About 18 months ago I undertook a small piece of work with school nurses employed by 2 LEA's and still have contact numbers for them. As you know they can be quite a hard to reach group so would be happy to disseminate any information or put you in touch if appropriate. Also I understand that in the Welsh Assembly is currently doing some work on school nursing. Regards Thanks Barbara. I had rather hoped that 2000 might have the lowest estimate of whole time equivalents; obviously I should have been more pessimistic! It is helpful to know that school nurses cover between 10 and 20 schools though, because I speculated that the high figure (20,050) that isaw cited may have come from schools being asked if they had a school nurse. I have no idea how many schools there are, but probably that figure would make more sense. best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 Dear All I have had this inquiry into the PriMHE office..can anyone help please? I can feed back comments. >>I am currently undertaking a BA (Hons) Specialist Practitioner degree in District Nursing, as the focus of my dissertation is looking at the District Nurse's role in identifying and supporting the elderly suffering from depression.<< Thanks Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 Try "Forget Me Not- Mental Health Services for oldeer People" by the Audit Commission 2000 Judy B -----Original Message-----From: Manning [mailto:chris.manning@...]Sent: 12 March 2003 16:17 Subject: RE: Re: school nursing numbers? Dear All I have had this inquiry into the PriMHE office..can anyone help please? I can feed back comments. >>I am currently undertaking a BA (Hons) Specialist Practitioner degree in District Nursing, as the focus of my dissertation is looking at the District Nurse's role in identifying and supporting the elderly suffering from depression.<< Thanks Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Dear I would be really interested to know. The All Wales Primary Care Mental Health Network launched a few weeks ago and this group of people are crucial to being plugged into the Network to enable joined-up doing for CAMH. Very Best Wishes Manning www.primhe.org Re: school nursing numbers? Hello There are some numbers estimated in the Review of HV & SN in Wales carried out by June and Margeret Buttegeig in 2000. I think their best estimate was 200 in total. About 18 months ago I undertook a small piece of work with school nurses employed by 2 LEA's and still have contact numbers for them. As you know they can be quite a hard to reach group so would be happy to disseminate any information or put you in touch if appropriate. Also I understand that in the Welsh Assembly is currently doing some work on school nursing. Regards > > > >> Thanks Barbara. I had rather hoped that 2000 might have the > >> lowest estimate of whole time equivalents; obviously I should > >> have been more pessimistic! It is helpful to know that school > >> nurses cover between 10 and 20 schools though, because I > >> speculated that the high figure (20,050) that isaw cited may have > >> come from schools being asked if they had a school nurse. I have > >> no idea how many schools there are, but probably that figure > >> would make more sense. best wishes > >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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