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I*m starting to believe that a common trendy base is used in most perfumes

to which 5 or 6 ingredients are added to distinguish it from the others,

hence the need for not more than 200 ingredients to compose a new perfume.

***********

That's been pretty clear for a while, don't you think? People with

familiarity with Right Guard deodorant will recall how all the new

perfumes of the 80s onward faded to that nasty lockerroom note.

FEH. Spit. Blegh.

Now they are on to some other synth that makes me sneeze, even my beloved

Guerlain. Sigh. I was at a Sephora in Jersey the other day and thought it

would be safe to actually put Color(s?) of Love on my skin. Smelled OK for

a minute but the next morning I was regretting it!

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Edited to correct top post....

I noticed Chanel is making a fuss about their new release of the

revised and improved Allure pour femme: Allure Sensuelle. They claim

having added more patchouli, pink pepper and incense and made it less

sweet.

Hi- I was wondering what they mean by incense... do they mean frankincense?

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> Edited to correct top post....

>

> I noticed Chanel is making a fuss about their new release of the

> revised and improved Allure pour femme: Allure Sensuelle. They claim

> having added more patchouli, pink pepper and incense and made it less

> sweet.

>

> Hi- I was wondering what they mean by incense... do they mean

frankincense?

> Jeanne

>

Yes, just that.

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Edited to correct top post......

>

> >

> > Edited to correct top post....

> >

> > I noticed Chanel is making a fuss about their new release of the

> > revised and improved Allure pour femme: Allure Sensuelle. They claim

> > having added more patchouli, pink pepper and incense and made it less

> > sweet.

> >

> > Hi- I was wondering what they mean by incense... do they mean

> frankincense?

> > Jeanne

> >

> Yes, just that.

>

I would definitely take with a big grain of salt what ANY manufacturer like

Chanel tells you

is in or has " been added " . What they call " incense " for public consumption may

or may not

have anything to do with frankincense (olibanum, btw.), but may be a mixture of

eighteen

different things including synthetic oakmoss, methyl atratate, a fine ambergris

substitute

called Ambroxan, clary sage, Tabacarol (made by IFF), isobutyl quinoline, and on

and on.

I'm a perfumer, by the way, as a matter of introduction... I'm new here and

plunging right

in to help and to learn what the naturalists have to say. I can also help you

locate lots of

things you think may be synthetic but are actually distilled from other oils and

things that

are bio-produced (Ambroxan is one).

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> I'm a perfumer, by the way, as a matter of introduction... I'm new

here and plunging right

> in to help and to learn what the naturalists have to say. I can also

help you locate lots of

> things you think may be synthetic but are actually distilled from

other oils and things that

> are bio-produced...

>

Hi Mike,

To me a natural perfume is an oil (like cold pressed almond or olive

oil) or oil and beeswax based blend in which botanicals (botanics)

including citrus peels and resins have macerated and infused. I don*t

believe that the addition of civet is necessary since the human body

produces its own pheromones. I would never hurt a living animal for

the purpose of fixing perfume blends.

I consider being in a different category of perfume making as soon as

I accept using alcohol and hydro distilled rose water or EO, because

that means that I would also accept the use of fraction distilled

botanics, and the use of fraction distilled acid or alkali treated

botanical EOs which is how synthetics basically started.

I personally would not oppose the use of synthetics if I were not

allergic to most of them or I knew that they were not dangerous to my

being. What I deplore on the other hand is the deception campaign lead

by the major perfume companies, where they continue to use the name of

natural ingredients to describe their notes. They should introduce the

word natural or synthetic in front of every ingredient they list in

their evaluations and descriptions of the notes, and this goes to

perfume evaluators like Luca Turin and the others. I*m giving Turin a

helping hand: call mainstream perfumes impressionistic perfumes, say

for example that Diorissima conveys an impression of muguet...etc

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At 10:21 AM 4/4/2006, you wrote:

>n wrote:

>

>[snip]

>

>I*m starting to believe that a common trendy base is used in most perfumes

>to which 5 or 6 ingredients are added to distinguish it from the others,

>hence the need for not more than 200 ingredients to compose a new perfume.

>***********

I agree. There is a sameness that is very odd.

maruca wrote:

>That's been pretty clear for a while, don't you think? People with

>familiarity with Right Guard deodorant will recall how all the new

>perfumes of the 80s onward faded to that nasty lockerroom note.

Ha. I remember a girlfriend with thin hair who would tease it up, and spray

it with that deodorant. Awful memory! (she lived at 59th and Belmar

Terrace, M.)

>FEH. Spit. Blegh.

You can say that again. OK. I will FEH. Spit. Blegh.

>Now they are on to some other synth that makes me sneeze, even my beloved

>Guerlain. Sigh. I was at a Sephora in Jersey the other day and thought it

>would be safe to actually put Color(s?) of Love on my skin. Smelled OK for

>a minute but the next morning I was regretting it!

Guerlain has the long-used Guerlainade, where you aware of that, Maruca?

They have used it as a base for their perfumes for decades!

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At 01:29 PM 4/4/2006, you wrote:

>Edited to correct top post....

>

>I noticed Chanel is making a fuss about their new release of the

>revised and improved Allure pour femme: Allure Sensuelle. They claim

>having added more patchouli, pink pepper and incense and made it less

>sweet.

>

> Hi- I was wondering what they mean by incense... do they mean

> frankincense?

Yes, Jeanne, it is often called incense by the French.

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At 10:06 PM 4/4/2006, you wrote:

> > > Hi- I was wondering what they mean by incense... do they mean

> > frankincense?

> > > Jeanne

> > >

> > Yes, just that.

> >

>

>I would definitely take with a big grain of salt what ANY manufacturer

>like Chanel tells you

>is in or has " been added " . What they call " incense " for public consumption

>may or may not

>have anything to do with frankincense (olibanum, btw.), but may be a

>mixture of eighteen

>different things including synthetic oakmoss, methyl atratate, a fine

>ambergris substitute

>called Ambroxan, clary sage, Tabacarol (made by IFF), isobutyl quinoline,

>and on and on.

True. I missed that completely, but I'm in happy mode today, and I guess I

skimmed over the evil machinations and marketing of the biggies, lol.

>I'm a perfumer, by the way, as a matter of introduction... I'm new here

>and plunging right

>in to help and to learn what the naturalists have to say. I can also help

>you locate lots of

>things you think may be synthetic but are actually distilled from other

>oils and things that

>are bio-produced (Ambroxan is one).

That's where they take an isolate of clary sage and put a fungus in it, right?

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At 07:16 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote:They should introduce the

>word natural or synthetic in front of every ingredient they list in

>their evaluations and descriptions of the notes, and this goes to

>perfume evaluators like Luca Turin and the others. I*m giving Turin a

>helping hand: call mainstream perfumes impressionistic perfumes, say

>for example that Diorissima conveys an impression of muguet...etc

Good idea.

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On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Anya wrote:

> At 10:21 AM 4/4/2006, you wrote:

> >n wrote:

> >

> >[snip]

> >

> >I*m starting to believe that a common trendy base is used in most

> perfumes

> >to which 5 or 6 ingredients are added to distinguish it from the

> others,

> >hence the need for not more than 200 ingredients to compose a new

> perfume.

> >***********

>

> I agree. There is a sameness that is very odd.

>

> maruca wrote:

>

>

> >That's been pretty clear for a while, don't you think? People with

> >familiarity with Right Guard deodorant will recall how all the new

> >perfumes of the 80s onward faded to that nasty lockerroom note.

>

> Ha. I remember a girlfriend with thin hair who would tease it up,

> and spray

> it with that deodorant. Awful memory! (she lived at 59th and Belmar

> Terrace, M.)

>

>

> >FEH. Spit. Blegh.

>

> You can say that again. OK. I will FEH. Spit. Blegh.

>

> >Now they are on to some other synth that makes me sneeze, even my

> beloved

> >Guerlain. Sigh. I was at a Sephora in Jersey the other day and

> thought it

> >would be safe to actually put Color(s?) of Love on my skin.

> Smelled OK for

> >a minute but the next morning I was regretting it!

>

> Guerlain has the long-used Guerlainade, where you aware of that,

> Maruca?

> They have used it as a base for their perfumes for decades!

>

this is all good marketing tools for us naturals...

the fact is that people have been becoming more and more chemically

sensitive over the years...to all manner of household chemical

cleaning products as well as perfumes...toxicities from our

environment as well add to the sensitivities...

it does seem that some organization might have info..hard facts on

toxicity build up from synthetics in perfumes...where would one look

for that? I am going to ask my brother who is a nurse practitioner.

*smile*

xoxox

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At 12:13 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote:

>On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Anya wrote:

>

> > At 10:21 AM 4/4/2006, you wrote:

> > >n wrote:

> > >

> > >[snip]

> > >

> > >I*m starting to believe that a common trendy base is used in most

> > perfumes

> > >to which 5 or 6 ingredients are added to distinguish it from the

> > others,

> > >hence the need for not more than 200 ingredients to compose a new

> > perfume.

> > >***********

> >

> > I agree. There is a sameness that is very odd.

>anya wrote:

> > Guerlain has the long-used Guerlainade, where you aware of that,

> > Maruca?

> > They have used it as a base for their perfumes for decades!

> >

>

>

>this is all good marketing tools for us naturals...

>the fact is that people have been becoming more and more chemically

>sensitive over the years...to all manner of household chemical

>cleaning products as well as perfumes...toxicities from our

>environment as well add to the sensitivities...

Libby, even naturals can cause a problem if used in excess, or they can tip

the scales in favor of a sensitization because so much is built up in our

systems. To me, the cautionary route is best. I never have scented candles,

I avoid most scented household products, and I wear perfume sparingly.

>it does seem that some organization might have info..hard facts on

>toxicity build up from synthetics in perfumes...where would one look

>for that? I am going to ask my brother who is a nurse practitioner.

There are quite a few sites on this. You could google it.

>

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