Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 n wrote: [snip] I*m starting to believe that a common trendy base is used in most perfumes to which 5 or 6 ingredients are added to distinguish it from the others, hence the need for not more than 200 ingredients to compose a new perfume. *********** That's been pretty clear for a while, don't you think? People with familiarity with Right Guard deodorant will recall how all the new perfumes of the 80s onward faded to that nasty lockerroom note. FEH. Spit. Blegh. Now they are on to some other synth that makes me sneeze, even my beloved Guerlain. Sigh. I was at a Sephora in Jersey the other day and thought it would be safe to actually put Color(s?) of Love on my skin. Smelled OK for a minute but the next morning I was regretting it! Mar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Edited to correct top post.... I noticed Chanel is making a fuss about their new release of the revised and improved Allure pour femme: Allure Sensuelle. They claim having added more patchouli, pink pepper and incense and made it less sweet. Hi- I was wondering what they mean by incense... do they mean frankincense? Jeanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 > > Edited to correct top post.... > > I noticed Chanel is making a fuss about their new release of the > revised and improved Allure pour femme: Allure Sensuelle. They claim > having added more patchouli, pink pepper and incense and made it less > sweet. > > Hi- I was wondering what they mean by incense... do they mean frankincense? > Jeanne > Yes, just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Edited to correct top post...... > > > > > Edited to correct top post.... > > > > I noticed Chanel is making a fuss about their new release of the > > revised and improved Allure pour femme: Allure Sensuelle. They claim > > having added more patchouli, pink pepper and incense and made it less > > sweet. > > > > Hi- I was wondering what they mean by incense... do they mean > frankincense? > > Jeanne > > > Yes, just that. > I would definitely take with a big grain of salt what ANY manufacturer like Chanel tells you is in or has " been added " . What they call " incense " for public consumption may or may not have anything to do with frankincense (olibanum, btw.), but may be a mixture of eighteen different things including synthetic oakmoss, methyl atratate, a fine ambergris substitute called Ambroxan, clary sage, Tabacarol (made by IFF), isobutyl quinoline, and on and on. I'm a perfumer, by the way, as a matter of introduction... I'm new here and plunging right in to help and to learn what the naturalists have to say. I can also help you locate lots of things you think may be synthetic but are actually distilled from other oils and things that are bio-produced (Ambroxan is one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 > I'm a perfumer, by the way, as a matter of introduction... I'm new here and plunging right > in to help and to learn what the naturalists have to say. I can also help you locate lots of > things you think may be synthetic but are actually distilled from other oils and things that > are bio-produced... > Hi Mike, To me a natural perfume is an oil (like cold pressed almond or olive oil) or oil and beeswax based blend in which botanicals (botanics) including citrus peels and resins have macerated and infused. I don*t believe that the addition of civet is necessary since the human body produces its own pheromones. I would never hurt a living animal for the purpose of fixing perfume blends. I consider being in a different category of perfume making as soon as I accept using alcohol and hydro distilled rose water or EO, because that means that I would also accept the use of fraction distilled botanics, and the use of fraction distilled acid or alkali treated botanical EOs which is how synthetics basically started. I personally would not oppose the use of synthetics if I were not allergic to most of them or I knew that they were not dangerous to my being. What I deplore on the other hand is the deception campaign lead by the major perfume companies, where they continue to use the name of natural ingredients to describe their notes. They should introduce the word natural or synthetic in front of every ingredient they list in their evaluations and descriptions of the notes, and this goes to perfume evaluators like Luca Turin and the others. I*m giving Turin a helping hand: call mainstream perfumes impressionistic perfumes, say for example that Diorissima conveys an impression of muguet...etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 At 10:21 AM 4/4/2006, you wrote: >n wrote: > >[snip] > >I*m starting to believe that a common trendy base is used in most perfumes >to which 5 or 6 ingredients are added to distinguish it from the others, >hence the need for not more than 200 ingredients to compose a new perfume. >*********** I agree. There is a sameness that is very odd. maruca wrote: >That's been pretty clear for a while, don't you think? People with >familiarity with Right Guard deodorant will recall how all the new >perfumes of the 80s onward faded to that nasty lockerroom note. Ha. I remember a girlfriend with thin hair who would tease it up, and spray it with that deodorant. Awful memory! (she lived at 59th and Belmar Terrace, M.) >FEH. Spit. Blegh. You can say that again. OK. I will FEH. Spit. Blegh. >Now they are on to some other synth that makes me sneeze, even my beloved >Guerlain. Sigh. I was at a Sephora in Jersey the other day and thought it >would be safe to actually put Color(s?) of Love on my skin. Smelled OK for >a minute but the next morning I was regretting it! Guerlain has the long-used Guerlainade, where you aware of that, Maruca? They have used it as a base for their perfumes for decades! Anya http://.com The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume / Join to study natural perfumery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 At 01:29 PM 4/4/2006, you wrote: >Edited to correct top post.... > >I noticed Chanel is making a fuss about their new release of the >revised and improved Allure pour femme: Allure Sensuelle. They claim >having added more patchouli, pink pepper and incense and made it less >sweet. > > Hi- I was wondering what they mean by incense... do they mean > frankincense? Yes, Jeanne, it is often called incense by the French. Anya http://.com The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume / Join to study natural perfumery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 At 10:06 PM 4/4/2006, you wrote: > > > Hi- I was wondering what they mean by incense... do they mean > > frankincense? > > > Jeanne > > > > > Yes, just that. > > > >I would definitely take with a big grain of salt what ANY manufacturer >like Chanel tells you >is in or has " been added " . What they call " incense " for public consumption >may or may not >have anything to do with frankincense (olibanum, btw.), but may be a >mixture of eighteen >different things including synthetic oakmoss, methyl atratate, a fine >ambergris substitute >called Ambroxan, clary sage, Tabacarol (made by IFF), isobutyl quinoline, >and on and on. True. I missed that completely, but I'm in happy mode today, and I guess I skimmed over the evil machinations and marketing of the biggies, lol. >I'm a perfumer, by the way, as a matter of introduction... I'm new here >and plunging right >in to help and to learn what the naturalists have to say. I can also help >you locate lots of >things you think may be synthetic but are actually distilled from other >oils and things that >are bio-produced (Ambroxan is one). That's where they take an isolate of clary sage and put a fungus in it, right? Anya http://.com The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume / Join to study natural perfumery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 At 07:16 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote:They should introduce the >word natural or synthetic in front of every ingredient they list in >their evaluations and descriptions of the notes, and this goes to >perfume evaluators like Luca Turin and the others. I*m giving Turin a >helping hand: call mainstream perfumes impressionistic perfumes, say >for example that Diorissima conveys an impression of muguet...etc Good idea. Anya http://.com The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume / Join to study natural perfumery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Anya wrote: > At 10:21 AM 4/4/2006, you wrote: > >n wrote: > > > >[snip] > > > >I*m starting to believe that a common trendy base is used in most > perfumes > >to which 5 or 6 ingredients are added to distinguish it from the > others, > >hence the need for not more than 200 ingredients to compose a new > perfume. > >*********** > > I agree. There is a sameness that is very odd. > > maruca wrote: > > > >That's been pretty clear for a while, don't you think? People with > >familiarity with Right Guard deodorant will recall how all the new > >perfumes of the 80s onward faded to that nasty lockerroom note. > > Ha. I remember a girlfriend with thin hair who would tease it up, > and spray > it with that deodorant. Awful memory! (she lived at 59th and Belmar > Terrace, M.) > > > >FEH. Spit. Blegh. > > You can say that again. OK. I will FEH. Spit. Blegh. > > >Now they are on to some other synth that makes me sneeze, even my > beloved > >Guerlain. Sigh. I was at a Sephora in Jersey the other day and > thought it > >would be safe to actually put Color(s?) of Love on my skin. > Smelled OK for > >a minute but the next morning I was regretting it! > > Guerlain has the long-used Guerlainade, where you aware of that, > Maruca? > They have used it as a base for their perfumes for decades! > this is all good marketing tools for us naturals... the fact is that people have been becoming more and more chemically sensitive over the years...to all manner of household chemical cleaning products as well as perfumes...toxicities from our environment as well add to the sensitivities... it does seem that some organization might have info..hard facts on toxicity build up from synthetics in perfumes...where would one look for that? I am going to ask my brother who is a nurse practitioner. *smile* xoxox L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 At 12:13 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote: >On Apr 6, 2006, at 6:46 AM, Anya wrote: > > > At 10:21 AM 4/4/2006, you wrote: > > >n wrote: > > > > > >[snip] > > > > > >I*m starting to believe that a common trendy base is used in most > > perfumes > > >to which 5 or 6 ingredients are added to distinguish it from the > > others, > > >hence the need for not more than 200 ingredients to compose a new > > perfume. > > >*********** > > > > I agree. There is a sameness that is very odd. >anya wrote: > > Guerlain has the long-used Guerlainade, where you aware of that, > > Maruca? > > They have used it as a base for their perfumes for decades! > > > > >this is all good marketing tools for us naturals... >the fact is that people have been becoming more and more chemically >sensitive over the years...to all manner of household chemical >cleaning products as well as perfumes...toxicities from our >environment as well add to the sensitivities... Libby, even naturals can cause a problem if used in excess, or they can tip the scales in favor of a sensitization because so much is built up in our systems. To me, the cautionary route is best. I never have scented candles, I avoid most scented household products, and I wear perfume sparingly. >it does seem that some organization might have info..hard facts on >toxicity build up from synthetics in perfumes...where would one look >for that? I am going to ask my brother who is a nurse practitioner. There are quite a few sites on this. You could google it. > Anya http://.com The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume / Join to study natural perfumery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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