Re: developing psychosis in a child

[Guest guest]

Loreen,

The description sure seems like Tourette's.

Years ago Dr. Lendon told me that if drugs that "usually treat a problem make it worse", the problem is MORE than simply a biochemical /neurotransmitter problem. (For example ADHD that is better with Ritalin is easy to treat relative to ADHD that is not better with Ritalin.)

Thus in addition to the obvious that you have tried (B, EFA's, probiotics, sleep hygiene, gluten -free diet) there will need to be a deeper understanding of the underlying process.

Perhaps medorrhinum worked because the real problem is NOT from this lifetime. What he inherited is key. Perhaps it was a past life experience.

In addition to trying different forms of the basics and continuing to use homeopathics, consider hypnosis, Shamin or whatever you think may address this much deeper problem.

Your immediate treatment will focus on the palliative aspect, while the search for the real cause must begin in earnst.

Dick Thom

Beaverton, OR

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Any ideas or insight into this case would

be most appreciated.

This is the case of a 7 year old boy who

has been developing progressively more bizarre and violent behaviour. He

is often anxious, has no impulse control at all, and is frequently violent –

either throwing things, or hitting his mother (for no obvious reason). He

likes to run and jump, and particularly likes to twirl round and round, or

contort himself into strange postures. He often pulls down his

pants and wiggles his bum. He will frequently repeat 1 or 2 words over

and over – either related to something, or not, or a nonsense word.

He swears frequently and uncontrollably, blurts out loud noises. He is

fascinated with knives and scissors (is that stramonium?). He has

threatened to kill his mother. His mom describes him as unhappy, agitated,

on hyper drive, full of nervous tension. His father recently described

his behaviour as weird. He is much better with physical activity,

and routine. His diet has improved in the past year with more veggies,

less sugar. He understands that he feels better when he eats well, but

lacks impulse control. He craves chocolate.

He has been assessed at Children’s

hospital, and after 9 visits they admit he has no clear diagnosis, but shows

signs of autism, ADHD, tourette’s syndrome and possible OCD. His

mom has had to call 911 a couple times when his violence could not be

controlled. He has tried a couple drugs. Respiridin increased the

violence. He was better with Zoloft for a couple weeks, then he lost all

inhibitions and started acting “crazy”. He is often unable to

sleep and now takes melatonin (6mg) at bedtime which is helping him sleep. If

he is given rescue remedy just before he moves into a meltdown, it seems to

help. He has been given ativan occasionally.

He can not swallow pills. He will

not take liquid B’s or fish oils (too yucky). His mom did find him

a multivitamin he will take, and he will usually take UNDA and, surprisingly,

herbal tinctures. He responded very well to Medorrhinum (200C) about a

year ago for behaviour problems, but it didn’t last long (about 3 weeks),

and his mother never followed up. That was the last time I saw him,

although she phones with updates periodically. I have suggested trying a

gluten free diet, but his Mom thinks it would be too stressful, so we are

working to reduce gluten and sugar.

Any ideas?

Dr. Loreen Dawson, ND

Sechelt, BC

Family Medicine

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[Guest guest]

Hi Loreen,

Food dyes are very important to avoid in addition to the sugar and wheat. That alone can settle him down a little. Try another EFA liquid. Seroyal has some to choose from. I'm not a classical homeopath, but seems like a deep remedy is needed here. Stramonium is a good thought, but hyoscyamus comes to mind as well. If you have done some detox already, sounds like 9,22, 210 might be good.

Good luck. Also make sure to pay attention to what parents are doing in the office and at home. Some destructive behaviors are learned and/or accentuated from home environment.

Jessie Black, N.D.

[Guest guest]

Hi Loreen,

Food dyes are very important to avoid in addition to the sugar and wheat. That alone can settle him down a little. Try another EFA liquid. Seroyal has some to choose from. I'm not a classical homeopath, but seems like a deep remedy is needed here. Stramonium is a good thought, but hyoscyamus comes to mind as well. If you have done some detox already, sounds like 9,22, 210 might be good.

Good luck. Also make sure to pay attention to what parents are doing in the office and at home. Some destructive behaviors are learned and/or accentuated from home environment.

Jessie Black, N.D.

[Guest guest]

Hi Loreen,

You know we just had a patient, a little boy of 15 months, who is

constantly moving about on hyper-drive, is much better with physical

activity, and who is sleeping very little. Dr. Thom made the point

that when the adrenals are overstressed/underdeveloped it is often the

case that a child may self-stim MORE in order to try to raise cortisol

levels to override sympathetic stress. i wonder if some component of

this is involved in your patient--the fact that he repeats things over

and over and is better with routine, and that he's just approaching the

thyroid stage without perhaps the ground he needs to stand on to be

social (and thus being more aggressive), the fact that he craves

stimulants like chocolate, suggest to me that it might be. Also, I'm

sure you've thought of this but you didn't mention it--what's the

relationship like between his parents? Kids so frequently pick up and

express the suppressed energies of their parents. As an outsider, the

idea of parents calling 911 on a 7 yr old, for fear of his violence,

seems like a red flag to me. Maybe you had to be there. Anyway, some

kind of adrenal support may be indicated in addition to all else you're

doing, and some kind of family-systems counseling/energy work approach

to this boy's problems may bear fruit as well. ND, PhD,

LAc, LMT

On Feb 20, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Loreen wrote:

> Any ideas or insight into this case would be most appreciated.

>

>  

>

> This is the case of a 7 year old boy who has been developing

> progressively more bizarre and violent behaviour.  He is often

> anxious, has no impulse control at all, and is frequently violent –

> either throwing things, or hitting his mother (for no obvious

> reason).  He likes to run and jump, and particularly likes to twirl

> round and round, or contort himself into strange postures.   He often

> pulls down his pants and wiggles his bum.  He will frequently repeat 1

> or 2 words over and over – either related to something, or not, or a

> nonsense word.  He swears frequently and uncontrollably, blurts out

> loud noises.  He is fascinated with knives and scissors (is that

> stramonium?).  He has threatened to kill his mother.  His mom

> describes him as unhappy, agitated, on hyper drive, full of nervous

> tension.  His father recently described his behaviour as weird.   He

> is much better with physical activity, and routine.  His diet has

> improved in the past year with more veggies, less sugar.  He

> understands that he feels better when he eats well, but lacks impulse

> control.  He craves chocolate.

>

>  

>

> He has been assessed at Children’s hospital, and after 9 visits they

> admit he has no clear diagnosis, but shows signs of autism, ADHD,

> tourette’s syndrome and possible OCD.  His mom has had to call 911 a

> couple times when his violence could not be controlled.  He has tried

> a couple drugs.  Respiridin increased the violence.  He was better

> with Zoloft for a couple weeks, then he lost all inhibitions and

> started acting “crazy”.  He is often unable to sleep and now takes

> melatonin (6mg) at bedtime which is helping him sleep.  If he is given

> rescue remedy just before he moves into a meltdown, it seems to help. 

> He has been given ativan occasionally.

>

>  

>

> He can not swallow pills.  He will not take liquid B’s or fish oils

> (too yucky).  His mom did find him a multivitamin he will take, and he

> will usually take UNDA and, surprisingly, herbal tinctures.  He

> responded very well to Medorrhinum (200C) about a year ago for

> behaviour problems, but it didn’t last long (about 3 weeks), and his

> mother never followed up.  That was the last time I saw him, although

> she phones with updates periodically.  I have suggested trying a

> gluten free diet, but his Mom thinks it would be too stressful, so we

> are working to reduce gluten and sugar.

>

>  

>

> Any ideas?

>

>  

>

> Dr. Loreen Dawson, ND

>

> Sechelt, BC

>

> Family Medicine

>

>  

>

>  

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Loreen,

You know we just had a patient, a little boy of 15 months, who is

constantly moving about on hyper-drive, is much better with physical

activity, and who is sleeping very little. Dr. Thom made the point

that when the adrenals are overstressed/underdeveloped it is often the

case that a child may self-stim MORE in order to try to raise cortisol

levels to override sympathetic stress. i wonder if some component of

this is involved in your patient--the fact that he repeats things over

and over and is better with routine, and that he's just approaching the

thyroid stage without perhaps the ground he needs to stand on to be

social (and thus being more aggressive), the fact that he craves

stimulants like chocolate, suggest to me that it might be. Also, I'm

sure you've thought of this but you didn't mention it--what's the

relationship like between his parents? Kids so frequently pick up and

express the suppressed energies of their parents. As an outsider, the

idea of parents calling 911 on a 7 yr old, for fear of his violence,

seems like a red flag to me. Maybe you had to be there. Anyway, some

kind of adrenal support may be indicated in addition to all else you're

doing, and some kind of family-systems counseling/energy work approach

to this boy's problems may bear fruit as well. ND, PhD,

LAc, LMT

On Feb 20, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Loreen wrote:

> Any ideas or insight into this case would be most appreciated.

>

>  

>

> This is the case of a 7 year old boy who has been developing

> progressively more bizarre and violent behaviour.  He is often

> anxious, has no impulse control at all, and is frequently violent –

> either throwing things, or hitting his mother (for no obvious

> reason).  He likes to run and jump, and particularly likes to twirl

> round and round, or contort himself into strange postures.   He often

> pulls down his pants and wiggles his bum.  He will frequently repeat 1

> or 2 words over and over – either related to something, or not, or a

> nonsense word.  He swears frequently and uncontrollably, blurts out

> loud noises.  He is fascinated with knives and scissors (is that

> stramonium?).  He has threatened to kill his mother.  His mom

> describes him as unhappy, agitated, on hyper drive, full of nervous

> tension.  His father recently described his behaviour as weird.   He

> is much better with physical activity, and routine.  His diet has

> improved in the past year with more veggies, less sugar.  He

> understands that he feels better when he eats well, but lacks impulse

> control.  He craves chocolate.

>

>  

>

> He has been assessed at Children’s hospital, and after 9 visits they

> admit he has no clear diagnosis, but shows signs of autism, ADHD,

> tourette’s syndrome and possible OCD.  His mom has had to call 911 a

> couple times when his violence could not be controlled.  He has tried

> a couple drugs.  Respiridin increased the violence.  He was better

> with Zoloft for a couple weeks, then he lost all inhibitions and

> started acting “crazy”.  He is often unable to sleep and now takes

> melatonin (6mg) at bedtime which is helping him sleep.  If he is given

> rescue remedy just before he moves into a meltdown, it seems to help. 

> He has been given ativan occasionally.

>

>  

>

> He can not swallow pills.  He will not take liquid B’s or fish oils

> (too yucky).  His mom did find him a multivitamin he will take, and he

> will usually take UNDA and, surprisingly, herbal tinctures.  He

> responded very well to Medorrhinum (200C) about a year ago for

> behaviour problems, but it didn’t last long (about 3 weeks), and his

> mother never followed up.  That was the last time I saw him, although

> she phones with updates periodically.  I have suggested trying a

> gluten free diet, but his Mom thinks it would be too stressful, so we

> are working to reduce gluten and sugar.

>

>  

>

> Any ideas?

>

>  

>

> Dr. Loreen Dawson, ND

>

> Sechelt, BC

>

> Family Medicine

>

>  

>

>  

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thanks for the input. The parents

are separated, and have been for about 4 years. I have never met the

father, but it seems that the parents get along reasonably well, and have a

good routine where he comes to the family home every other weekend, and she

goes away, so the boys are almost always in their own home. I just found

out today the father has strong autism tendencies, but functions reasonably

well in the world. The mother certainly is prone to stress, and worry. I

hadn’t thought of overstressed/underdeveloped adrenals… it actually

fits quite well. The big family conflicts I think are between the 2 boys,

and possibly the father and this child. Calling 911 in this case was

probably not out of line. He has already spent quite a few days and

nights in the hospital. He is a big, strong boy, with very violent

tendencies, no impulse control and no sense of consequences. (way beyond

normal “bad behavior”). He is in no way influenced by the

idea of punishment. In fact, there has never been any form of punishment

that has affected his behaviour at all. His mom is now working with a

reward only system at home and a school which is helping a bit. The

family has done counselling for about 1 year. They are working with

mental health at the hospital, social workers, case workers, the school and a

behaviour consultant. The drugs they have tried did not help. The

only things that have helped so far are routine and lots of vigorous exercise.

I have arranged for some shamanic work,

which the mother was very open to, and I have prescribed homeopathic

stramonium. We are hoping for the best.

Loreen Dawson, ND

Sechelt, BC

Re:

developing psychosis in a child

Hi

Loreen,

You know we just had a patient, a little boy of 15 months, who is constantly

moving about on hyper-drive, is much better with physical activity, and who is

sleeping very little. Dr. Thom made the point that when the adrenals are

overstressed/underdeveloped it is often the case that a child may self-stim

MORE in order to try to raise cortisol levels to override sympathetic stress. i

wonder if some component of this is involved in your patient--the fact that he

repeats things over and over and is better with routine, and that he's just

approaching the thyroid stage without perhaps the ground he needs to stand on

to be social (and thus being more aggressive), the fact that he craves

stimulants like chocolate, suggest to me that it might be. Also, I'm sure

you've thought of this but you didn't mention it--what's the relationship like

between his parents? Kids so frequently pick up and express the suppressed energies

of their parents. As an outsider, the idea of parents calling 911 on a 7 yr

old, for fear of his violence, seems like a red flag to me. Maybe you had to be

there. Anyway, some kind of adrenal support may be indicated in addition to all

else you're doing, and some kind of family-systems counseling/energy work

approach to this boy's problems may bear fruit as well.

ND, PhD, LAc, LMT

On Feb 20, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Loreen wrote:

Any

ideas or insight into this case would be most appreciated.

This

is the case of a 7 year old boy who has been developing progressively more

bizarre and violent behaviour. He is often anxious, has no impulse

control at all, and is frequently violent – either throwing things, or

hitting his mother (for no obvious reason). He likes to run and jump, and

particularly likes to twirl round and round, or contort himself into strange

postures. He often pulls down his pants and wiggles his bum.

He will frequently repeat 1 or 2 words over and over – either related to

something, or not, or a nonsense word. He swears frequently and

uncontrollably, blurts out loud noises. He is fascinated with knives and

scissors (is that stramonium?). He has threatened to kill his

mother. His mom describes him as unhappy, agitated, on hyper drive, full

of nervous tension. His father recently described his behaviour as

weird. He is much better with physical activity, and routine.

His diet has improved in the past year with more veggies, less sugar. He

understands that he feels better when he eats well, but lacks impulse control.

He craves chocolate.

He

has been assessed at Children’s hospital, and after 9 visits they admit

he has no clear diagnosis, but shows signs of autism, ADHD, tourette’s

syndrome and possible OCD. His mom has had to call 911 a couple times

when his violence could not be controlled. He has tried a couple

drugs. Respiridin increased the violence. He was better with Zoloft

for a couple weeks, then he lost all inhibitions and started acting “crazy”.

He is often unable to sleep and now takes melatonin (6mg) at bedtime which is

helping him sleep. If he is given rescue remedy just before he moves into

a meltdown, it seems to help. He has been given ativan occasionally.

He

can not swallow pills. He will not take liquid B’s or fish oils

(too yucky). His mom did find him a multivitamin he will take, and he

will usually take UNDA and, surprisingly, herbal tinctures. He responded

very well to Medorrhinum (200C) about a year ago for behaviour problems, but it

didn’t last long (about 3 weeks), and his mother never followed up.

That was the last time I saw him, although she phones with updates

periodically. I have suggested trying a gluten free diet, but his Mom

thinks it would be too stressful, so we are working to reduce gluten and sugar.

Any

ideas?

Dr.

Loreen Dawson, ND

Sechelt,

BC

Family

Medicine

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[Guest guest]

Hello and I would like to suggest it sound like an underlying problem at a central nervous system level and so you might want to look at what things could impact that system . Beyond a remedy and other psyco/spiritual strategies, I would do a comprehensive heavy metal test, especially looking at lead/mercury. It wouldn't be unusual for a kid to exhibit such symptoms from a lead burden, I have seen this with kids with very high levels of lead.

White, Connecticut

RE: developing psychosis in a child

Any ideas or insight into this case would be most appreciated.

This is the case of a 7 year old boy who has been developing progressively more bizarre and violent behaviour. He is often anxious, has no impulse control at all, and is frequently violent – either throwing things, or hitting his mother (for no obvious reason). He likes to run and jump, and particularly likes to twirl round and round, or contort himself into strange postures. He often pulls down his pants and wiggles his bum. He will frequently repeat 1 or 2 words over and over – either related to something, or not, or a nonsense word. He swears frequently and uncontrollably, blurts out loud noises. He is fascinated with knives and scissors (is that stramonium?). He has threatened to kill his mother. His mom describes him as unhappy, agitated, on hyper drive, full of nervous tension. His father recently described his behaviour as weird. He is much better with physical activity, and routine. His diet has improved in the past year with more veggies, less sugar. He understands that he feels better when he eats well, but lacks impulse control. He craves chocolate.

He has been assessed at Children’s hospital, and after 9 visits they admit he has no clear diagnosis, but shows signs of autism, ADHD, tourette’s syndrome and possible OCD. His mom has had to call 911 a couple times when his violence could not be controlled. He has tried a couple drugs. Respiridin increased the violence. He was better with Zoloft for a couple weeks, then he lost all inhibitions and started acting “crazy”. He is often unable to sleep and now takes melatonin (6mg) at bedtime which is helping him sleep. If he is given rescue remedy just before he moves into a meltdown, it seems to help. He has been given ativan occasionally.

He can not swallow pills. He will not take liquid B’s or fish oils (too yucky). His mom did find him a multivitamin he will take, and he will usually take UNDA and, surprisingly, herbal tinctures. He responded very well to Medorrhinum (200C) about a year ago for behaviour problems, but it didn’t last long (about 3 weeks), and his mother never followed up. That was the last time I saw him, although she phones with updates periodically. I have suggested trying a gluten free diet, but his Mom thinks it would be too stressful, so we are working to reduce gluten and sugar.

Any ideas?

Dr. Loreen Dawson, ND

Sechelt, BC

Family Medicine

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[Guest guest]

Hello and I would like to suggest it sound like an underlying problem at a central nervous system level and so you might want to look at what things could impact that system . Beyond a remedy and other psyco/spiritual strategies, I would do a comprehensive heavy metal test, especially looking at lead/mercury. It wouldn't be unusual for a kid to exhibit such symptoms from a lead burden, I have seen this with kids with very high levels of lead.

White, Connecticut

RE: developing psychosis in a child

Any ideas or insight into this case would be most appreciated.

This is the case of a 7 year old boy who has been developing progressively more bizarre and violent behaviour. He is often anxious, has no impulse control at all, and is frequently violent – either throwing things, or hitting his mother (for no obvious reason). He likes to run and jump, and particularly likes to twirl round and round, or contort himself into strange postures. He often pulls down his pants and wiggles his bum. He will frequently repeat 1 or 2 words over and over – either related to something, or not, or a nonsense word. He swears frequently and uncontrollably, blurts out loud noises. He is fascinated with knives and scissors (is that stramonium?). He has threatened to kill his mother. His mom describes him as unhappy, agitated, on hyper drive, full of nervous tension. His father recently described his behaviour as weird. He is much better with physical activity, and routine. His diet has improved in the past year with more veggies, less sugar. He understands that he feels better when he eats well, but lacks impulse control. He craves chocolate.

He has been assessed at Children’s hospital, and after 9 visits they admit he has no clear diagnosis, but shows signs of autism, ADHD, tourette’s syndrome and possible OCD. His mom has had to call 911 a couple times when his violence could not be controlled. He has tried a couple drugs. Respiridin increased the violence. He was better with Zoloft for a couple weeks, then he lost all inhibitions and started acting “crazy”. He is often unable to sleep and now takes melatonin (6mg) at bedtime which is helping him sleep. If he is given rescue remedy just before he moves into a meltdown, it seems to help. He has been given ativan occasionally.

He can not swallow pills. He will not take liquid B’s or fish oils (too yucky). His mom did find him a multivitamin he will take, and he will usually take UNDA and, surprisingly, herbal tinctures. He responded very well to Medorrhinum (200C) about a year ago for behaviour problems, but it didn’t last long (about 3 weeks), and his mother never followed up. That was the last time I saw him, although she phones with updates periodically. I have suggested trying a gluten free diet, but his Mom thinks it would be too stressful, so we are working to reduce gluten and sugar.

Any ideas?

Dr. Loreen Dawson, ND

Sechelt, BC

Family Medicine

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Hello, and have you checked this boy for heavy metal burden, specifically lead. I saw a young boy years ago who could only be described lovingly as a devil child and he had the largest levil of lead I have seen yet in a child. Regards White, Ct.

RE: developing psychosis in a child

Any ideas or insight into this case would be most appreciated.

This is the case of a 7 year old boy who has been developing progressively more bizarre and violent behaviour. He is often anxious, has no impulse control at all, and is frequently violent – either throwing things, or hitting his mother (for no obvious reason). He likes to run and jump, and particularly likes to twirl round and round, or contort himself into strange postures. He often pulls down his pants and wiggles his bum. He will frequently repeat 1 or 2 words over and over – either related to something, or not, or a nonsense word. He swears frequently and uncontrollably, blurts out loud noises. He is fascinated with knives and scissors (is that stramonium?). He has threatened to kill his mother. His mom describes him as unhappy, agitated, on hyper drive, full of nervous tension. His father recently described his behaviour as weird. He is much better with physical activity, and routine. His diet has improved in the past year with more veggies, less sugar. He understands that he feels better when he eats well, but lacks impulse control. He craves chocolate.

He has been assessed at Children’s hospital, and after 9 visits they admit he has no clear diagnosis, but shows signs of autism, ADHD, tourette’s syndrome and possible OCD. His mom has had to call 911 a couple times when his violence could not be controlled. He has tried a couple drugs. Respiridin increased the violence. He was better with Zoloft for a couple weeks, then he lost all inhibitions and started acting “crazy”. He is often unable to sleep and now takes melatonin (6mg) at bedtime which is helping him sleep. If he is given rescue remedy just before he moves into a meltdown, it seems to help. He has been given ativan occasionally.

He can not swallow pills. He will not take liquid B’s or fish oils (too yucky). His mom did find him a multivitamin he will take, and he will usually take UNDA and, surprisingly, herbal tinctures. He responded very well to Medorrhinum (200C) about a year ago for behaviour problems, but it didn’t last long (about 3 weeks), and his mother never followed up. That was the last time I saw him, although she phones with updates periodically. I have suggested trying a gluten free diet, but his Mom thinks it would be too stressful, so we are working to reduce gluten and sugar.

Any ideas?

Dr. Loreen Dawson, ND

Sechelt, BC

Family Medicine

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