Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 , don't you just love a case you can sink your teeth into! So much going on, lots of neuro/autoimmuno stuff. Some aspects really sound MS, but there's so much more. Just some ideas, did you know that the Kidneys and nerves are connected in TCM? Chances are the hypothyroid has its origins in whatever is going on in the CNS (seat of the hypothalmus). Are the ruptured disks in the cervical spine? Due to a head trauma? May be another neurological clue. I've had really good results in generalized CNS drainage with 2, 8, 9 - see what happens, other things that cross the BBB and get to work in the brain, I would consider botaincal like Bacopa, Hpericum, Passiflora, Vinca. Supps like Alpha Lipoic Acid, Methylcobalamin/Folic IM 2x q wk....and stand back and observe. Digestive Restoration for sure What about the bone marrow? I would get UNDA 18 in there somewhere...and what about organos to correct the (mis)information that the bone marrow is getting. Just some ideas... Teri Jaklin ND Waterdown, ON MS, Chronic Disease, General Wellness > > From: susan jones <suejo_99@...> > Date: 2005/06/20 Mon AM 01:33:10 EST > unda group < > > Subject: Q- MGUS - autoimmune > > Hi Group > Happy Solstice on Tuesday. > I have a really good complex autoimmune case that I would like > input/assessment on. > > 58 yr old woman > 1.MGUS x 1 year mono colonal gammopathy of undetermined significance, > basically bone marrow produces proteins that shouldn't. Small chance go > to malignancy. No treatment at this point, will be going to Fred Hutch > this summer for 2nd bone marrow biopsy (Grandmother had blood > disorder, but not this) > > 2. Kidney stones since 24yrs old(1st pregnancy) - calcium phosphate, > has stones presently, doesn't bother currently > 3. Benign Oncocytoma- Right kidney tumor, removed kidney in 2001. > 4. Raynauds x 5 years > Rupture of blood vessels in fingers, very painful, blue discolored > gets every 1-2 months > 5. Tremors in hands x 12 years txt with Propanol x 10 years. Can feel > tremors systemically > Can get bouts of extreme muscle fatigue > 6. White patches in brain around 40yrs old - not MS lesions, episodes > of nastagmus and vertigo. > 7. Ruptured discs - headaches, neck pain > 8. Hypothyroid x 15 years > 9. cea - rosy cheeks only > 10. Lack ligaments - 3 knee surgeries, rotator cuff injury > 11. ADD - takes concerta last few years. Ritalin for 15 years, > Dyslexia > > Hx of " Strange viruses as a kid " , Epstein bar, Parvo > Pneumonia several times as kid, Ruptured appendix at 14yrs needed blood > transfusion > Vaginal dryness with menopause, some vaginal irritation on HRT > > Strong family hx of polyps - mother, aunt. Had hysterectomies possible > cervical cancer > > Despite all this, she seems mostly healthy, doesn't live in a state of > illness, says somewhat in denial about it all. > CNS is her weakeness, feels fight or flight at times, more in the past > I think Sycotic miasm mostly > > Txt included so far, HMf, Magneleverus, Iron, COP to abd and kidney - > not too compliant. Moderate compliance with Anti-inflamm diet > Zea, Ribes, 1,20, 258 9,24,219 Super EFA , Mag Phos cell salt, > BCQ caps, MnCu, Craniosacral txt > > ? 1.Can you use Magnelevurs dry, sprinkling it on yogurt > 2.Assessment/Input of case > 3.Any suggestions for homeopathic for bone marrow, would this maybe be > contraindicated as don't want to stimulate proteins in marrow. Best way > to treat bone marrow. > 4. Kidney treatment > Thanks for any input > ND > Normandy Park WA > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 You might want to try getting at the marrow issue from the Kidney. I am talking about the metaphorical / metaphysical Kidney, which also includes aspects of the physical organ. Chinese Medicine perspective: Kidney essence is passed on from the ancestors / parents (kidney stone onset concurring w/ 1st PG; poss familial thread to ute? polyps); the Kidneys rule the marrow and the brain represents the " excess " of the marrow. One might also theorize that the endocrine system is an extension of the Kidney (hypothyroid). The element of the Ki is water, which nourishes wood - the element of the Liver. Liver related to nerves, " wind " (tremors, inability to be still), " tendons " which might be construed to include disc tissue, circulation of Qi and therefore of Blood (Raynaud's). Kidney and Liver both involved w/ reproductive issues. Plus the fact that she had a kidney removed... Some theorize that it's impossible for the Ki to have any excess, but others theorize the opposite. Seems like drainage would be an ideal way to get at potential excess w/o depleting Ki essence. As with most folks, she probably has a large element of depletion also. Just some off the wall thoughts. Joanne Wu, ND, LAc Takoma Park / Silver Spring, land --- susan jones <suejo_99@...> wrote: > Hi Group > Happy Solstice on Tuesday. > I have a really good complex autoimmune case that I would > like > input/assessment on. > > 58 yr old woman > 1.MGUS x 1 year mono colonal gammopathy of undetermined > significance, > basically bone marrow produces proteins that shouldn't. > Small chance go > to malignancy. No treatment at this point, will be going > to Fred Hutch > this summer for 2nd bone marrow biopsy (Grandmother had > blood > disorder, but not this) > > 2. Kidney stones since 24yrs old(1st pregnancy) - calcium > phosphate, > has stones presently, doesn't bother currently > 3. Benign Oncocytoma- Right kidney tumor, removed kidney > in 2001. > 4. Raynauds x 5 years > Rupture of blood vessels in fingers, very painful, blue > discolored > gets every 1-2 months > 5. Tremors in hands x 12 years txt with Propanol x 10 > years. Can feel > tremors systemically > Can get bouts of extreme muscle fatigue > 6. White patches in brain around 40yrs old - not MS > lesions, episodes > of nastagmus and vertigo. > 7. Ruptured discs - headaches, neck pain > 8. Hypothyroid x 15 years > 9. cea - rosy cheeks only > 10. Lack ligaments - 3 knee surgeries, rotator cuff > injury > 11. ADD - takes concerta last few years. Ritalin for 15 > years, > Dyslexia > > Hx of " Strange viruses as a kid " , Epstein bar, Parvo > Pneumonia several times as kid, Ruptured appendix at > 14yrs needed blood > transfusion > Vaginal dryness with menopause, some vaginal irritation > on HRT > > Strong family hx of polyps - mother, aunt. Had > hysterectomies possible > cervical cancer > > Despite all this, she seems mostly healthy, doesn't live > in a state of > illness, says somewhat in denial about it all. > CNS is her weakeness, feels fight or flight at times, > more in the past > I think Sycotic miasm mostly > > Txt included so far, HMf, Magneleverus, Iron, COP to abd > and kidney - > not too compliant. Moderate compliance with Anti-inflamm > diet > Zea, Ribes, 1,20, 258 9,24,219 Super EFA , Mag Phos > cell salt, > BCQ caps, MnCu, Craniosacral txt > > ? 1.Can you use Magnelevurs dry, sprinkling it on yogurt > 2.Assessment/Input of case > 3.Any suggestions for homeopathic for bone marrow, would > this maybe be > contraindicated as don't want to stimulate proteins in > marrow. Best way > to treat bone marrow. > 4. Kidney treatment > Thanks for any input > ND > Normandy Park WA > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > http://football.fantasysports. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 1.Can you use Magnelevures dry, sprinkling it on yogurt - YES 2.Any suggestions for homeopathic for bone marrow, would this maybe be contraindicated as don't want to stimulate proteins in marrow. Best way to treat bone marrow. EITHER MEDULOSSEINIUM PLEX or Medulosseinium 7CH could be helpful here Dick Thom Beaverton, OR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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