Re: Lavender Seville Absolute!

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esperanzaxim wrote:

>

> What a treasure, chillens!!!

> Momma's talkin about Lavender Seville Absolute from Eden Botanocals -

> it's all about berry!!! very berry. And mix it with some florals and,

ooooooooohh

> chillens, that's what I'm talkin about!

>

> This has got to be one of the best new oils on the market!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> It will certainly add a new fruity berry element to this girl's NP

palette!!!!!

>

> gonna make one big mess in my perfumery studio tonight - all fulla berry!

>

> 1 OZ. is only $22.00!!

> Y'all who don't grab it have no clue what you're missin!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Ezzie~

Huh....!

An absolute is not an essential oil....

It's an absolute....different system of production, etc...

Lavender has never been " berry " in any form I've dealt with....

A number of varities, etc...in EO...

Even some YL stuff...

Only one absolute I have...(L. Officianalis) has no " berry " scent

whatever....

Nor does any of the EO I have....

After all....it comes from a flower...rather than a fruit of any kind...

Matter of fact...Lav doesn't really make any kind of fruit....?

Or at least any berries that I'm aware of...

Nice looking plant, though, if you want to grow some (I have)....

Delicate, with a lavender colored spray of flower...

Bugs don't care for Lav, for some reason....

A " Berry " component would seem to me to drag Lav down to ....

I dunno what....

But then.....I'm one of them old AT folks...<G>...

Gattefossian....

I will avoid Eden Botanicals at every opportunity in the future...

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

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On Mar 3, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Bourbonais wrote:

> esperanzaxim wrote:

>>

>> What a treasure, chillens!!!

>> Momma's talkin about Lavender Seville Absolute from Eden Botanocals -

>> it's all about berry!!! very berry. And mix it with some florals

>> and, ooooooooohh

>> chillens, that's what I'm talkin about!

>>

>> This has got to be one of the best new oils on the

>> market!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> It will certainly add a new fruity berry element to this girl's

>> NP palette!!!!!

>>

>> gonna make one big mess in my perfumery studio tonight - all fulla

>> berry!

>>

>> 1 OZ. is only $22.00!!

>> Y'all who don't grab it have no clue what you're missin!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> Ezzie~

>

> An absolute is not an essential oil....

> It's an absolute....different system of production, etc...

>

> Lavender has never been " berry " in any form I've dealt with....

>

> A " Berry " component would seem to me to drag Lav down to ....

>

> But then.....I'm one of them old AT folks...<G>...

> Gattefossian....

>

> I will avoid Eden Botanicals at every opportunity in the future...

>

> W. Bourbonais

> L'Hermite Aromatique

Hi all,

About the Lavender Seville Absolute (Lavendula luisieri) from Spain.

Lavender Seville is also know as ieri and it is not from one of

our common species or cultivars of Lavender.

Here is what I said about it on our web site:

Lavender Seville Absolute is a dark green viscous oil that is best

used in perfumery to add a green note and an unusual Lavender aroma.

Lavender Seville is a hard to find Lavender Absolute that comes to us

from the distillery in Spain. Lavender lovers will want to add

Lavender Seville to their palette of Lavender oils for use in natural

perfume making.

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Eden Botanicals wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> About the Lavender Seville Absolute (Lavendula luisieri) from Spain.

> Lavender Seville is also know as ieri and it is not from one of

> our common species or cultivars of Lavender.

>

> Here is what I said about it on our web site:

>

> Lavender Seville Absolute is a dark green viscous oil that is best

> used in perfumery to add a green note and an unusual Lavender aroma.

> Lavender Seville is a hard to find Lavender Absolute that comes to us

> from the *distillery* in Spain. Lavender lovers will want to add

> Lavender Seville to their palette of Lavender oils for use in natural

> perfume making.

Astericks are mine......GWB...

>

Absolutes, at least the last time I heard, are *not* distilled....

An absolute is solvent extracted....no?

Which makes it different, in nature, from a distilled EO...

Kinda by definition...and process...

I'm confused....you folks are selling a distilled absolute...?

Different procedure...unless this is something new...?

I have nothing against absolutes......as a matter of fact have a bunch

of them...

Some things can't make it though a still very well....

Or even if it is an EO that comes well through the still...

If the fumers on the list have no Lavender absoulute....

My opnion is.....

Get some....!

You will not be disappointed...

An absolute extraction provides a different realm of scent...

I have this *killer* L. Officinalus absolute...a drop seems to last

forever...

LNP....

No berry smell, though.....

Would have deep-sixed it or sent it back...

--

W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

Gatefossian

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At 12:03 AM 3/4/2006, you wrote:

>Eden Botanicals wrote:

> > Hi all,

> > Lavender Seville Absolute is a dark green viscous oil that is best

> > used in perfumery to add a green note and an unusual Lavender aroma.

> > Lavender Seville is a hard to find Lavender Absolute that comes to us

> > from the *distillery* in Spain. Lavender lovers will want to add

> > Lavender Seville to their palette of Lavender oils for use in natural

> > perfume making.

>

>Astericks are mine......GWB...

> >

>

>Absolutes, at least the last time I heard, are *not* distilled....

>An absolute is solvent extracted....no?

In all fairness, , some manufacturers have both processes going on at

their plant, and the name of the company may well be somthing along the

lines of a distillery.

>If the fumers on the list have no Lavender absoulute....

>My opnion is.....

>Get some....!

>You will not be disappointed...

True, lav abs can be gorgeous. Always get samples first, of course.

>No berry smell, though.....

>

>Would have deep-sixed it or sent it back...

To the OP's nose, there is a big berry scent. Fruity, sweet, I'm supposing.

Lav abs is very sweet, so I'll let her respond to the berry claim. EB

already did, with the website quote, claiming green.

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>

> No berry smell, though.....

>

> Would have deep-sixed it or sent it back...

> --

> W. Bourbonais

> L'Hermite Aromatique

> Gatefossian

Hey, .

now that we have all come to know that you too are aware that there is a

difference between solvent extraction and distillation and that the product I

purchased IS a solvent extracted absolute, a quick point:

Himalayan Lavender (aka Kashmir Lavender) is world's apart different-

olfactory-speaking- from the more popular Lavendula officinalis from France!

If youv'e never experienced this treasure (the Himalayan), you might want to

try it. I prefer it to its European counterpart.

My Lavender Absolutes are sweeter than their EO counterparts, but none of

them except this one has such strong berry notes. However, none of the

others are of the variety this one is. The item I purchased from Eden is yet

another variety of Lavender - as their post explained.

I should say that there are, of course, notes of Lavender in it - but it is a

very

sweet and yes, very berry absolute. For NP's , this stuff IS a treasure!

As for blasting Eden Botanicals - child, that was just ignorant. I have never

been disaapointed by their offerings - never - in fact, you will find that many

in

this group use EB as a source that can be counted on for reliability of service

and product. Instead of dismissing them because they're offering something

new, maybe you should try the stuff and sample their offerings - their Wild

Orange, incense CO2, and Jasmine Absolute are not to be missed!

Ezzie~

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esperanzaxim wrote:

>

> As for blasting Eden Botanicals - child, that was just ignorant. I have never

> been disaapointed by their offerings - never - in fact, you will find that

many in

> this group use EB as a source that can be counted on for reliability of

service

> and product. Instead of dismissing them because they're offering something

> new, maybe you should try the stuff and sample their offerings - their Wild

> Orange, incense CO2, and Jasmine Absolute are not to be missed!

>

Hi Ezzie...and other Folks......

Yeah...likely ignorance on my part...

My apologies to Will....

Berry and lavender seems unreal.....

I'll be honest....it would spook me...

But that's me....

No disrespect to Eden intended....

I'm sure they have a quantum jump on things fragrant compared to me....

Anyone that makes a good Jasmine Absolute....*has* to be OK.....<G>...

It sounds like this lavender absolute is something a bit different from

what is traditionally an absolute...that is, solvent extract from the

botanical...

If I understand (now?) correctly, it's an extraction from what's come

through the still already....

The process of distillation will define parameters of what essence(s)

comes through....

That which is EO is not water soluble.....that which is soluble, is what

the hydrosol is, more or less...

Of course, with the dance of the atoms, stuff isn't all that knife

edge.....

I dunno....

On reflection.....is a super-refinement....?

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W. Bourbonais

L'Hermite Aromatique

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> Berry and lavender seems unreal..... I'll be honest....it would

spook me... But that's me....

- you may not be aware, but there are well over 30 different

cultivars of lavender. The climatic conditions and altitude that they

are grown at means that even the same variety grown in two different

geographical regions will produce an extract (oil or absolute) that

will vary considerably in chemistry and fragrance.

I have used lavender absolutes myself that posessed a 'fruity'

overtone, so i would not worry or be spooked to broaden your

horizons :-)

BTW - tagettes also has a fruity not, but that is not extracted from

fruit either.

Bev

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On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:03:31 -0600, you wrote:

> > from the *distillery* in Spain

A " distillery " is just a name for a fabrication center. They can make Concretes,

Absolutes as well as EO, or any other product from botanical or OTHER source

(eg: Co-distillations, sur-whatever, CO2, MD, and more).

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On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 09:17:44 -0500, you wrote:

> OP's nose, there is a big berry scent

Ketones?

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At 12:15 PM 3/5/2006, you wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:03:31 -0600, you wrote:

>

> > > from the *distillery* in Spain

>

>A " distillery " is just a name for a fabrication center. They can make

>Concretes,

>Absolutes as well as EO, or any other product from botanical or OTHER source

>(eg: Co-distillations, sur-whatever, CO2, MD, and more).

Ah, that's what I basically said, just pulled from my intuition. Glad that

an expert confirmed it.

I just noticed you were still on moderation after the virus -- took

you off.

Anya

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On Mar 3, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Bourbonais wrote:

> Eden Botanicals wrote:

>> that comes to us from the *distillery* in Spain.

>

> Astericks are mine......GWB...

>

> Absolutes, at least the last time I heard, are *not* distilled....

> An absolute is solvent extracted....no?

>

> W. Bourbonais

> L'Hermite Aromatique

> Gatefossian

Hi ,

I am out of the country in the moment and a bit limited for internet

access. But after that last posting (referred to above) I thought

about that reference to " distillery " (which I had previously written

and just copied and pasted it into the email). After thinking about

it, I figured I would get busted for that reference!

Well, the manufacturer (perhaps the better term) does distill and

extract, and so they are a distillery. I don't like the term

manufacturer because absolutes are not 'manufactured' per se. They

are extracted, so then we could say " purchased from the extractor " ,

but it sounds a little weird in english. I have to deal with this

problem for the CO2 producers because they do not distill oils and so

they can't be a distillery. (Same with the floral absolute extractors

in India, who do not distill.)

I also revisited the Lavender Seville and I do see what is referred

to as, well - the aroma of Berry. I didn't think of it myself, but I

do smell the unusual note that is referred to as the berry note. You

might also have to bust me for saying that it is extracted from the

flowers... I am pretty sure that the Lavender Seville is extracted

from the flowers as well as the herbaceous part of the plants, I will

email the extractor and report back (and I will update our

information on the product if this is confirmed).

Thanks for keeping me on my toes.

Will

>

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Will wrote:

> I also revisited the Lavender Seville and I do see what is referred

> to as, well - the aroma of Berry. I didn't think of it myself, but I

> do smell the unusual note that is referred to as the berry note. You

> might also have to bust me for saying that it is extracted from the

> flowers... I am pretty sure that the Lavender Seville is extracted

> from the flowers as well as the herbaceous part of the plants, I will

> email the extractor and report back (and I will update our

> information on the product if this is confirmed).

I've Been following this thread because I am an avid Lavender buff - EO &

Absolute alike.

My Lav. Seville from Eden Botanicals has the same luscious berrry scent. An

absolute god-send to my perfume experiments! Thank you, Will, so much for

this phenomenal offering!!! Though it would be informative to know what parts

of the plant are used, I've found Eden's offerings very sound and I encourage

others in the group to try this on their perfumery palettes.

It has my nomination as the most exciting offering of the year!

My wife finds it quite aphrodisiacal... o.k., so do I - well, better go and

play

with the absolute now and taunt the wife