Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 " healthier4all " < wrote: > Good morning : > Yes they(we) all need a safe environment however knowing and advising is one thing; actually giving these people a viable solution is something else. > You might have seen my old posts on trying to interest the IAQ in a cooperative effort to provide pristine RV's for brainfogged people who are too mentally disabled to construct an effective course of action. I consider the disinterest in even discussing the proposal as a complete failure to recognize the need, which might even suggest that the " mold experts " are not quite in touch with the problems of severe mold sufferers. The consistent story for those of us who attempt early intervention by advising evacuation, while people still DO have some options is that our advice is rejected - right up until the point in which they have none left. " Advice " , if accepted, provides results incomparably superior to the outcomes of people who reject evacuation as an " unreal " solution. If I were rich, I could " give " people a viable solution. Since I am not, all I can do is to advise people to use their resources as effectively as possible. Even to the extent of making a wild leap earlier than later - outrageous as it may seem. > 1. Senior, on social security with home full of toxic mold. Very ill, weak, can't afford Dr. Shoemaker, Dr. Schaller, Dr. , etc. Regular doctor misdiagnosed illness. Do I just tell this person to leave everything and find a safe place? Who will search for a safe home? Who will pay for the move? Who will pay for rent? Who will pay for medical consultation, tests and appropriate Rx medications to help this person? Or do I just say 'get out', live in the streets if you must and die in the street. How can an ill 70ish person live in the streets?< As you know, severe biotoxin illness has no limitations. When the extreme of illness is reached, there is no rent, no money, no medical, no food. There is nothing at all but indescribable pain, with no relief to look forward to except death.. Survivors consistently use the analogy of being in a burning building. This comes down to a choice between jumping with the hope of survival or the certainty of burning to death if you don't. Remaining prolongs but does not resolve the situation. My advice is to jump because the alternative is worse. I would explain to that senior citizen that if his illness is progressing, and if he has no money, remediation fails, friends or options are all gone, that his actions are determined by his own threshold of tolerance - and that he has a life or death decision to make. He must choose a course of action or the circumstances will surely make the choice for him. > 2. Family, 4 children, low income. Owns home full of toxic mold. Father and Mother affected so far. No finances to see qualified physician. Father will soon loose his job due to his illness. They can't sue anyone since the toxic mold was in their home. No workman's comp, no lawsuits. Living paycheck to paycheck and in debt. > How do we help this family? What viable actions do they need to take and where will the money come from? Children need food, clothing, shelter and be in school. Do we call child welfare and have them remove the children from the parents and put into foster homes? Have the parents live in their car until they can't afford the car payments, gas and then what? Live in the streets begging money as I see so many do here. As I drive around see > hundreds a day begging for money. Some display systems of mentally > impaired. This is reminiscent of my acquaintance who had access to the best information yet chose not to take it while hoping for some miracle to alter the course of her illness, and suffered far worse consequences for NOT making what seemed to be a bad choice at the time. A family that is deteriorating will lose even more if they persist in their deteriorating situation. Yes. I suggest alternative places for the children with family or friends, or consider having the children put into temporary foster care - claiming extreme financial hardship instead of mold illness - as this may result in a diagnosis of mental illness. When the science is finally accepted, this will change but that has yet to happen. The parents probably cannot live in their car as it is probably cross contaminated - They must find a pristine location that allows them to recover. If nothing else, a tent, preferably in a family member or friends backyard. If they are at severe levels of reactivity they must learn to control cross contamination and reduce their exposure until they recover sufficiently to reclaim their children, their jobs - and their lives. While undertaking this they should read Mold Warriors and attempt to gain access to Dr. Shoemakers protocols. They should attempt to connect with severe mold sufferers, such as this group, to discuss minutiae and strategies peculiar to mold reactivity. > You know where I'm coming from . Its tragic, breaks my heart when I think of all these people. We have a toxic mold home across the street. Do we sell our home and try to find a safe one and how do I inspect the neighborhood to make sure no moldy homes that might affect me and if one becomes moldy do I continue to move? Honestly we don't have that kind of extra money either. > You go to a pristine area, such as a desert or forest to " Get Clear " . As you experience " intensification " with increased sensitivity, you will be better able identify source point exposures. Special effort into avoiding intense exposures allows better tolerance to lesser ones. You car will probably slam you. You can cover the seats with a poncho or plastic and drive with the windows open. Go directly to the area you propose to test and lay flat on the ground. If it is unacceptable, then it is. If it feels marginal, then you must do this during times of weather change to detect " The worst it can be " . If the cumulative effects of a bad zone add up progressive deterioration, the result can be predicted. Mold lifestyling is balancing the consequenced of exposure against the requirements of survival with comfort as the goal. > Please be specific in your response to really assist rather than just advise. > Thanks, > Rosie If you are asking me to use my limited resources to take charge of your situation instead of just offering advice, I'm sorry that I can't afford it. This illness has diminished my options considerably and I only managed to invent a strategy of survival after waiting too long and being forced into a lifestyle of avoidance, thanks to all the people who delayed my actions by working so hard to convince me that everything I claimed was false, and could be controlled using the " Power of the mind " . I remember students becoming frustrated at how difficult it is, and how long it takes to learn to Hang Glide. " Can't you just fly it for me? " Yes I could, but I can't always be there, so you're going to have to learn to do it on your own. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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